Can The Church Of Jesus Christ Be So Obvious If We Mess With The Bible Enough ??

tonytony · Post by **tonytony** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:55 am

John 8:31 talking about continuing in his word or bible today.

90% of ministries mock John 3:5 or water baptism so their ministry is easily recognized as the church of the devil-------Titus 3:10 and Amos 3:3 and 2 Cor. 6.

90% say 1 Peter 3:3 is for judgmental extremists losing their mind---Rev. 12:9-10.

Certainly the church of the devil wants to make Sabbath rest an optional religion while your religious in the name of God-----Hebrews 4 and Romans 3:1-4.

They say man can do what he want if you talking about 1 Timothy 2:9-14 and still go to heaven while he continuing in God-----John 8:44 and John 5:39 and John 8:31.

They say Christianity is all about being nonjudgmental while you preach the good news of grace only----John 8:44 and Romans 6:1 and Romans 3:1-4 and John 8:31.

They say all the bible not God for sure while they going on in the name of religion

today---John 8:32 and 2 Timothy 3:16 and John 8:31 and John 5:39.

They say all meetings are the same just as long as you have sexual moral people and folks not money crooks----1 Thess. 5:12 and 2 Cor. 6 and John 8:31 and Amos 3:3

and John 8:44.

They say all good people are the same just as long as you have people saying Jesus is the son of God ONLY----John 8:24 and Titus 3:10 and 2 Cor. 6 and 1 Thess. 5:12

and John 8:31 and John 5:39 and Romans 6:1 and 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Post by **spot** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:09 am

There you are then - broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Meanwhile give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.

xyz · Post by **xyz** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:29 am

Can the Church Of Jesus Christ be so obvious if you mess with the Bible enough? You've done a grand job in North America, with your demonic KJV, your demonic legalisms, your demonic 'tongues', your demonic 'liberalism'. The church is extremely hard to find in the USA- and Canada has its doggedly repulsive 'Christians', for some reason. If the deity was to make shining sea join with shining sea, with barely a survivor, nobody would be at all surprised.

Post by **spot** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:42 am

And serpent handling and drinking poisons, don't forget that bit. They shall take up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:40 pm

Yea verily I say unto thee-------------it's all so much bulls--t.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:23 am

Lon;1352469 wrote: Yea verily I say unto thee-------------it's all so much bulls--t.
Who made you ruler and judge over us? Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse. Wisdom will save you also from the adulterous woman.

Meanwhile fresh from the Middle East: "I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master, and a fierce king will rule over them,” declares the Lord, the LORD Almighty. More on this breaking news on the hour. I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

Now therefore hold him not guiltless: for thou art a wise man, and knowest what thou oughtest to do unto him.

BaghdadBob · Post by **BaghdadBob** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:51 am

The Church Of Jesus Christ

The Church of Jesus Christ is the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It's not Bible dependent. The Church lives and there are numerous clues to the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:58 am

BaghdadBob;1352499 wrote: The Church of Jesus Christ is the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It's not Bible dependent. The Church lives and there are numerous clues to the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth.What exactly do you mean by "it's not bible dependent"?

Also, what are the 'clues' you've alluded to?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:25 am

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the beards of all non believers and may their children and their children's children be born naked.

BaghdadBob · Post by **BaghdadBob** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:02 am

Lon;1352508 wrote: May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the beards of all non believers and may their children and their children's children be born naked.

WOW! I have that curse. My chillins were born nekked!

BaghdadBob · Post by **BaghdadBob** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:22 am

Ahso!;1352500 wrote: What exactly do you mean by "it's not bible dependent"?

Also, what are the 'clues' you've alluded to?

You won't believe what I tell you or anything I can lead you to but here goes...

There are ample "clues" to form an informed judgment from a logical, if not scientific, perspective.

For your reading pleasure seek out the science behind the Shroud of Turin, the Sudariam of Oviedo, and Veronica's Veil.

Consider that if it were an elaborate fraud then it would be the first man-made relic since your uncle monkey that can not be duplicated today.

Read up on the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary throughout history. Consider the "miracles" surrounding them. Look closely at the events surrounding Lourdes, Fatima, and Zeitun.

Look at the pics and video of the Zeitun, Egypt apparitions.

If there isn't something there that makes you go hmmmm your brain ain't functioning.

Look at it with an open mind. It's compelling even for the athiest and remember the Catlicker Church doesn't force it's medicine on you. They let ppl like me do the heavy lifting.

And remember this most of all: If you knew with absolute certainty the existance of God would your life be different?

Would you feel free to make the decisions you make in life?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:29 am

Nothing on the bible dependent thingy?BaghdadBob;1352522 wrote: You won't believe what I tell you or anything I can lead you to but here goes...Honestly, Bags, the only thing you lead me to is amusement (not that that's a bad thing, mind you) and I believe what can be proven or at least proves itself.

BaghdadBob;1352522 wrote: There are ample "clues" to form an informed judgment from a logical, if not scientific, perspective.Clues to form an informed judgment about what, Bags? Specifics, please.

BaghdadBob;1352522 wrote: For your reading pleasure seek out the science behind the Shroud of Turin, the Sudariam of Oviedo, and Veronica's Veil.

Consider that if it were an elaborate fraud then it would be the first man-made relic since your uncle monkey that can not be duplicated today.Lets say for arguments sake that the Shroud is an authentic image of a body, what makes you believe it's an image of the body of Jesus?

BaghdadBob;1352522 wrote: Read up on the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary throughout history. Consider the "miracles" surrounding them. Look closely at the events surrounding Lourdes, Fatima, and Zeitun.

Look at the pics and video of the Zeitun, Egypt apparitions.

If there isn't something there that makes you go hmmmm your brain ain't functioning.Or, perhaps (in terms you will most likely understand) one's brains is over-functioning. I realize you choose not to understand evolutionary development of (in particular) the brain, but let me just say I get that you believe the things you're told, and therefore, see what you should. Myth is adequate when fact is unavailable, but that is slowly changing (evolving).BaghdadBob;1352522 wrote: Look at it with an open mind. It's compelling even for the athiest and remember the Catlicker Church doesn't force it's medicine on you. They let ppl like me do the heavy lifting.

Would you feel free to make the decisions you make in life?It's important to realize that many if not most nonbelievers of today are former believers who never stopped asking the questions "Who am I?" and "Why am I here?" Religion did not answer those questions sufficiently and we refused to settle for excuses such as "God works in mysterious ways!"; "We can't understand the mind of God!" and "Have faith!" along with all the other contradictions of religion, or the conflicts it creates with the reality of natural observation.

BaghdadBob;1352522 wrote: And remember this most of all: If you knew with absolute certainty the existance of God would your life be different?Remember what, the question? That question no longer has any place in my life.

Lastly, Bags, I'm forever wondering how a person such as yourself squares what you say politically out of one side of your mouth and what you believe spiritually out the other? Do you really expect serious people to listen as you belittle others with name calling (i.e. dumb-ass liberals - fascists, Obummer, Obomber and so on - and referring to black as white and vise-versa) to honestly take your religious philosophy seriously? If you are going to claim to be led by the spirit of a living, loving God, should not others expect to "witness" that God's reflection?

Jekyll/Hyde

Don't get me wrong, I like you and I'm glad you're an active participant of this forum.

BaghdadBob · Post by **BaghdadBob** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:07 pm

Ahso!;1352526 wrote: Nothing on the bible dependent thingy?Honestly, Bags, the only thing you lead me to is amusement (not that that's a bad thing, mind you) and I believe what can be proven or at least proves itself.

Clues to form an informed judgment about what, Bags? Specifics, please.

Lets say for arguments sake that the Shroud is an authentic image of a body, what makes you believe it's an image of the body of Jesus?

Or, perhaps (in terms you will most likely understand) one's brains is over-functioning. I realize you choose not to understand evolutionary development of (in particular) the brain, but let me just say I get that you believe the things you're told, and therefore, see what you should. Myth is adequate when fact is unavailable, but that is slowly changing (evolving).It's important to realize that many if not most nonbelievers of today are former believers who never stopped asking the questions "Who am I?" and "Why am I here?" Religion did not answer those questions sufficiently and we refused to settle for excuses such as "God works in mysterious ways!"; "We can't understand the mind of God!" and "Have faith!" along with all the other contradictions of religion, or the conflicts it creates with the reality of natural observation.

Remember what, the question? That question no longer has any place in my life.

Lastly, Bags, I'm forever wondering how a person such as yourself squares what you say politically out of one side of your mouth and what you believe spiritually out the other? Do you really expect serious people to listen as you belittle others with name calling (i.e. dumb-ass liberals - fascists, Obummer, Obomber and so on - and referring to black as white and vise-versa) to honestly take your religious philosophy seriously? If you are going to claim to be led by the spirit of a living, loving God, should not others expect to "witness" that God's reflection?

Jekyll/Hyde

Don't get me wrong, I like you and I'm glad you're an active participant of this forum.

Lastly, Bags, I'm forever wondering how a person such as yourself squares what you say politically out of one side of your mouth and what you believe spiritually out the other? Do you really expect serious people to listen as you belittle others with name calling (i.e. dumb-ass liberals - fascists, Obummer, Obomber and so on - and referring to black as white and vise-versa) to honestly take your religious philosophy seriously? If you are going to claim to be led by the spirit of a living, loving God, should not others expect to "witness" that God's reflection?

Then you won't be surprised when I call you a coward for your unwillingness to investigate.

I understand your fear of learning. Just because you weren't blessed with a 3 digit IQ doesn't mean that you're unable to comprehend life's simplicities.

Don't fear the truth. :-6

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:15 pm

Been there - Done that, Bob.

I was raised Roman Catholic and then became a Born Again Christian probably before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye.

Incidentally, Bob, I'm not the coward, I don't give lip service to something and then behave contrary to it, which proves you really don't believe in your God. You're the person here who insults your religion, not me.

BaghdadBob · Post by **BaghdadBob** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:41 am

Lastly, Bags, I'm forever wondering how a person such as yourself squares what you say politically out of one side of your mouth and what you believe spiritually out the other? Do you really expect serious people to listen as you belittle others with name calling (i.e. dumb-ass liberals - fascists, Obummer, Obomber and so on - and referring to black as white and vise-versa) to honestly take your religious philosophy seriously? If you are going to claim to be led by the spirit of a living, loving God, should not others expect to "witness" that God's reflection?

You're into politically correct speech, too? Whoda thunk it. :wah:

But I suppose you eagerly support the massacre of the unborn? You're a good little neo-nazi. Just remember to keep your hand held out with the palm up so can take what your messiah has stolen from the producers.

Stay tuned! Your masters will be along shortly to tell you what to think. :wah:

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:21 am

BaghdadBob;1352582 wrote: ?

You're into politically correct speech, too? Whoda thunk it. :wah:

But I suppose you eagerly support the massacre of the unborn? You're a good little neo-nazi. Just remember to keep your hand held out with the palm up so can take what your messiah has stolen from the producers.

Stay tuned! Your masters will be along shortly to tell you what to think. :wah:That's right, Baghd, try to shift this discussion to a political tone because that suits you better (it's your form of denial). Religious discussions require introspective reflection, and unlike politics, that can't be mimicked or parroted convincingly. Mirrors, such as the one you've now looked into are not always kind, but look we must eventually. Take heart, my friend, it's good for you, and may aid you in your undeniable and unending quest of becoming a better person.

FWIW, you've helped me in my quest too.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:59 pm

I declare Lobotomy kits all around!

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:04 am

littleCJelkton;1352613 wrote: I declare Lobotomy kits all around!

They did that back then too.And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him. Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say, Is there any man here? that thou shalt say, No. Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary.I've got a photo of Jael with her theater equipment somewhere...

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littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:02 pm

spot;1352621 wrote: They did that back then too.And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him. Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say, Is there any man here? that thou shalt say, No. Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary.I've got a photo of Jael with her theater equipment somewhere...

Great! I was afraid me an BB were the only ones.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:58 am

BaghdadBob;1352499 wrote: The Church of Jesus Christ is the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It's not Bible dependent. The Church lives and there are numerous clues to the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth.

The church of jesus christ of latter day saints is not catholic it's mormon.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:00 am

SPOT!!!! what the hell is going on with with forum??????

xyz · Post by **xyz** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:07 am

fuzzywuzzy;1352713 wrote: SPOT!!!! what the hell is going on with with forum??????
What's wrong? It's full of pious pretence, as usual.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:48 am

xyz;1352737 wrote: What's wrong? It's full of pious pretence, as usual.

Oh I say. I'm neither pious nor pretentious.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:52 pm

It is all very humorous.

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:26 pm

BaghdadBob;1352499 wrote: The Church of Jesus Christ is the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It's not Bible dependent. The Church lives and there are numerous clues to the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth.I think the Bobster is a little confused.

Firstly, he seems to be confusing the Roman Catholic Church with the Holy Roman Empire.

Secondly, the RCC, like most of the Protestant denoms, is certainly Bible dependent. The difference is that the RCC also accepts the Church's ancient traditions as part of divine revelation, an extension of scripture if you will, and this was true of all of Christianity until the so-called Protestant Reformation.

xyz · Post by **xyz** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:20 am

Mark Aspam;1354631 wrote: the RCC, like most of the Protestant denoms, is certainly Bible dependent.
As they have diametrically opposed beliefs on every important issue, that can only be true if the Bible is so self-contradictory and indeed zany as to be not worth even the paper it's written on. The very basis of the RCC is self-destructive. By proclaiming a Scripture, but not using it as Scripture, it declares itself fit only for the fire.

The difference is that the RCC also accepts the Church's ancient traditions as part of divine revelation, an extension of scripture if you will
If you will. The great unanswered question is, why is this mighty tradition not treated as Scripture? There is no good excuse.

The real reason is that adoption of Roman Tradition as Scripture would mark the RCC as heretical, and would have done so when the RCC eventually recognised Scripture (over 300 years too late). The RCC simply does not have the courage of its convictions, or professions. The longest tradition of the Vatican is deception, two-faced double talk, 'hallowed' by centuries of chopping to bits any shitty little bugger who had the temerity to get in the way. To quote, of course.

And of course, any who legitimise an organisation with a criminal record inevitably put themselves beyond the protection of society.

and this was true of all of Christianity until the so-called Protestant Reformation.
There was no sign of Christianity, reported by history, that is, from the end of Acts until the fourteenth century. Christianity can be inferred after Acts for a few hundred years, but for a thousand years there is no sign of it at all.

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:10 am

xyz;1354648 wrote: As they have diametrically opposed beliefs on every important issue, that can only be true if the Bible is so self-contradictory and indeed zany as to be not worth even the paper it's written on. The very basis of the RCC is self-destructive. By proclaiming a Scripture, but not using it as Scripture, it declares itself fit only for the fire.

If you will. The great unanswered question is, why is this mighty tradition not treated as Scripture? There is no good excuse.

The real reason is that adoption of Roman Tradition as Scripture would mark the RCC as heretical, and would have done so when the RCC eventually recognised Scripture (over 300 years too late). The RCC simply does not have the courage of its convictions, or professions. The longest tradition of the Vatican is deception, two-faced double talk, 'hallowed' by centuries of chopping to bits any shitty little bugger who had the temerity to get in the way. To quote, of course.

And of course, any who legitimise an organisation with a criminal record inevitably put themselves beyond the protection of society.

There was no sign of Christianity, reported by history, that is, from the end of Acts until the fourteenth century. Christianity can be inferred after Acts for a few hundred years, but for a thousand years there is no sign of it at all.As usual, poster xyz never wastes an opportunity to slander the Church with his double-talk, while at the same time refusing to identify his own affiliation so that we can discuss ITS history and errors.

xyz · Post by **xyz** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:12 am

Mark Aspam;1354649 wrote: As usual, poster xyz never wastes an opportunity to slander the Church with his double-talk, while at the same time refusing to identify his own affiliation so that we can discuss ITS history and errors.
It's not the attitude that committing murder is ok for Christians that is so repulsive. It's the attitude that committing murder is ok for anyone that's repulsive- as well as crass. Catholics, educated ones, would have no complaint whatever if they were every one slowly drowned, hacked to pieces, burned alive, or hung, drawn and quartered, as they have done to others. Their intelligence is matched by their morals.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:59 pm

Origen 185-254 was a devout Christian. Mark was written in the 70's and the Gospel of Thomas may even have been written before. Of course Paul wrote in the late 40s and 50's. Josephus wrote just after the death of Jesus. No sign of Christianity??? Whatever.

Shalom

Ted

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:22 pm

Ted;1354774 wrote: Origen 185-254 was a devout Christian. Mark was written in the 70's and the Gospel of Thomas may even have been written before. Of course Paul wrote in the late 40s and 50's. Josephus wrote just after the death of Jesus. No sign of Christianity??? Whatever.

Shalom

Ted

No more sign of Christianity in that period that there is sign of bias in his post anyway

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:58 pm

xyz;1354648 wrote: There was no sign of Christianity, reported by history, that is, from the end of Acts until the fourteenth century. Christianity can be inferred after Acts for a few hundred years, but for a thousand years there is no sign of it at all.

Oh come now, William the Conqueror had papal bulls authorizing him to overthrow Harold and take the English crown. And when do you think the first crusade was called? Who wrote Bede's History? What was Alfred the Great's autobiography all about, visiting Rome and such?

xyz · Post by **xyz** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:39 am

spot;1354778 wrote: Oh come now, William the Conqueror had papal bulls authorizing him to overthrow Harold and take the English crown.
Just like Peter had done with Gaul. Luckily for him, Paul and Barnabas were skilled generals, supported by a large army funded by the taxes that Peter, ably assisted by 'Second Alexander' John, had extracted from the nations that surrounded the Mediterranean, and as far east as Persia. See any good history book.