Osama Bin Laden Has Been Killed ..

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon May 02, 2011 5:58 pm

spot;1358578 wrote: I asked two questions earlier in the thread and none of the responses have gone anywhere near them, it's as though they're taboo. May I try again?

1.Could we have a reaction from some of the US posters about where this firefight occurred? The compound is, to pick an American equivalent, a residential annexe to the West Point Academy:The Abbottabad residence is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point. The BBC's Aleem Maqbool in Abbottabad says it will undoubtedly be a huge embarrassment to Pakistan that Bin Laden was found not only in the country but also on the doorstep of the military academy.

Sure. Here's a reaction: If we had hid Adolf Hitler in West Point after the Russians had invaded Berlin, would we have been upset if the Russians killed him? Maybe. But not that much.

It might be worth asking, today, while summing him up, whether he succeeded in what he set out to achieve. There are some aspects which haven't come to a conclusion such as whether countries such as Egypt - particularly Egypt - will stay Westernized or adopt a more Islamic form of government. The last couple of months, there and in Libya, may indicate movement in the direction he intended. Several corrupt complaisant Western tools like Mubarrak have tumbled and the secular Gaddafi revolution has been hit hard. Osama bin Laden was both anti-secular (theocratic) and anti-nationalist (Pan-Islamic).

Well, since his primary stated goal was one world under sharia law...I'd say he was a total failure. Better yet, many entrenched hard-line Islamic leaders are feeling pressure as the newly connected and young portions of their population revolt. He actually helped our side in the end.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:07 pm

Bryn Mawr;1358585 wrote: Muslim wishes are for the body to be buried as quickly as can be arranged (generally accepted to be within twenty four hours),

Well, I'd say that was pretty quick!

(and just how dumping the body out of a flying helicopter is seen as giving it respect I'm not sure but it is the most likely interpretation of burial at sea in this instance).

Where did you get that scenario? I envisaged him being put overboard on a plank such as we do for ALL human beings at sea on our ships. (Something he does not qualify for, IMO)

Justice is not sending in the troops with a shoot to kill order, it would be trying him in a court of law.

Yes, I suppose if you can totally discount the emotions and feelings of the 3000+ victim's families, forget the emotional trauma that having a trial would bring to the surface after 10 years of healing, ignore the security issues and inevitable terrorist attacks on the trial site, get over the cost of millions of wasted dollars of taxpayer money, let go a media circus on the world that would legitimize a killer and fire up the world's islamic populations, and completely bypass the obvious and detailed admissions of guilt Bin Laden has made frequently over the years...

well then a trial would make some kind of illogical sense. But the rest of us would rather shoot the rabid dog and be done with it.

As to it not being him - can you imagine the egg-on-face if he made further broadcasts after this? That they've claimed it is a fairly good indication that they're sure he's dead.

Oh, I'm sure he's got videos scattered all over creation just in case of this. After all he's had ten years to prepare, wouldn't you? But DNA doesn't lie. He's dead and gone to Hell.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:20 pm

Pres. Obama had no intentions to jump on a Muslim issue. Just as in any group there are good & bad.

Buried at sea is the best solution as far as I'm concerned. No shrine is fine with me.

Does any one know exactly what was collected for DNA testing ?

I'm satisfied he's dead.

Patsy

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:22 pm

Saint

Love your answer to Spot - the reference to Hitler. I thought of that response to Spot earlier today as a comparison.

but, I decided not to respond at all. attitude..

Patsy

koan · Post by **koan** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:26 pm

Where he was found is sort of important.

We don't know how long he was there for but the war in Afghanistan was started because they failed to hand over a man who probably wasn't even in the country at the time. That's kind of... horrible.

Also, it's not a question of whether they feel bad OBL is dead it's a question of why the heck they didn't know he was living in a massive complex right down the block from their military academy. That's kind of... suspicious.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:35 pm

DNA testing is quite fast nowadays as long as you have the right equipment and some DNA from the individual concerned. It's pretty amazing, the Russians knew within a couple of days they had not gotten Doku Umarov but killed some of his associates and specifically, his wife.

are we to believe it was him, not seeing his body

Are we to believe it was him if we see pictures? We all know how pictures can be altered, what do we need to do, touch the body? Sometimes a body is unrecognizable. What standard should we use?

then why did Obama respect Muslim wishes?

to me, that's disgusting Bryn, look what he had done?

Look what we've done to Muslims, in the eyes of your average American and others Muslims are "those" people. Go back a thousand years, what did we do to them in the Crusades? How many Iraqis died in the last 7 years because we did them a "favor" by getting rid if Saddam? Look at Israel, the Arab opposition to Zionism IS JUSTIFIABLE.

Osama was a powerful figure in the Arab world, for a reason. Muslims aren't a bunch of "sand niggers" and "rag heads" riding around on camels in the desert. There are over a billion of them on this planet and you had better respect them. They know their past, many of them know the west props up the despotic regimes that oppress them such as Saudi Arabia.

I really doubt this is over, Americans will continue to die in the ME. Get used to it.

Post by **spot** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:42 pm

Saint_;1358598 wrote: Well, since his primary stated goal was one world under sharia law...I'd say he was a total failure.That was his primary stated goal, was it? You sound as though you could perhaps say where I could find a copy of it.

Just to remove the ironic disbelief - I don't think you're right, not the primary, not the stated and not the goal. But do by all means show I'm wrong in any of those three particulars.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Mon May 02, 2011 6:57 pm

You'll never see it Spot.

Also, it's not a question of whether they feel bad OBL is dead it's a question of why the heck they didn't know he was living in a massive complex right down the block from their military academy. That's kind of... suspicious.

Sure as hell is. I know the Paki version of the CIA knew he was there but we need to stay in Afghanistan to contain the Russians and the Pakis have nukes. What are we going to do about it? Cut off the billions of dollars we give to them? Ummm, yeah right. I'm quite sure China would be more than willing to fill the void.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Mon May 02, 2011 7:39 pm

Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!:yh_flag

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Mon May 02, 2011 8:50 pm

You have to be kidding me. :yh_rotfl

All of these billions and soldiers lives to off an old demigod? I don't think so, it was never about him. This is just a show for public consumption. I'll call it a victory when the real supporters of terrorism are feeding the fishes, that includes ours too. This isn't a victory, it has little meaning and is not going to change reality.

BTW, our military is one of the big reasons this country is going to hell. It ain't over 'til its over and he may just win yet.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:42 pm

Scrat;1358612 wrote: You have to be kidding me. :yh_rotfl

All of these billions and soldiers lives to off an old demigod? I don't think so, it was never about him. This is just a show for public consumption. I'll call it a victory when the real supporters of terrorism are feeding the fishes, that includes ours too. This isn't a victory, it has little meaning and is not going to change reality.

BTW, our military is one of the big reasons this country is going to hell. It ain't over 'til its over and he may just win yet.

I think the Government is having another conspiracy.

I understand burial at sea would make it more peaceful for that country, but c'mon, everything was done so fast and so was the DNA results.

who's to say Osama is not with the US government being interrogated and tortured?

and nope.....it ain't over yet, accept the rest of Al Quida doesn't have the money he had.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:19 pm

Scrat

What do you mean the Military is the reason this Country is going to hell ? what are you saying?

Patsy

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:00 am

Saint_;1358599 wrote: Well, I'd say that was pretty quick!

Very - and no possible pressure on them to produce the body, problem solved.

Saint_;1358599 wrote: Where did you get that scenario? I envisaged him being put overboard on a plank such as we do for ALL human beings at sea on our ships. (Something he does not qualify for, IMO)

You think he was taken as far as the ship? Why?

Saint_;1358599 wrote: Yes, I suppose if you can totally discount the emotions and feelings of the 3000+ victim's families, forget the emotional trauma that having a trial would bring to the surface after 10 years of healing, ignore the security issues and inevitable terrorist attacks on the trial site, get over the cost of millions of wasted dollars of taxpayer money, let go a media circus on the world that would legitimize a killer and fire up the world's islamic populations, and completely bypass the obvious and detailed admissions of guilt Bin Laden has made frequently over the years...

well then a trial would make some kind of illogical sense. But the rest of us would rather shoot the rabid dog and be done with it.

If you continued the quote, I said that I agreed with the reasoning for doing it the way that they did.

Saint_;1358599 wrote: Oh, I'm sure he's got videos scattered all over creation just in case of this. After all he's had ten years to prepare, wouldn't you? But DNA doesn't lie. He's dead and gone to Hell.

One aspect of his videos is that they all contain references to current events, there's no way that having pre-prepared videos scattered all over creation would do him any good.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:31 am

Patsy Warnick;1358621 wrote: Scrat

What do you mean the Military is the reason this Country is going to hell ? what are you saying?

Patsy

There are two prices you pay for your military, Patsy. One is a financial burden and the other is a moral burden. Either may bring down the American Empire, since you can't voluntarily give up feeding it and you won't voluntarily give up using it.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:44 am

Saint_;1358598 wrote: Sure. Here's a reaction: If we had hid Adolf Hitler in West Point after the Russians had invaded Berlin, would we have been upset if the Russians killed him? Maybe. But not that much.Hitler was dead, so you couldn't. You plundered what was left and settled for hiding Werner von Braun's unit instead, and believe me - admit it - your government would have been livid if the Russians had sent a team into Fort Bliss and killed them. And, before you laugh at the comparison, SS Sturmbannführer Werner von Braun authorized the collateral deaths of far more Allied civilians than Osama bin Laden did, mostly in London, and all the Hollywood whitewashing in the world as an All-American Hero failed to save him from Tom Lehrer's historical verdict.

The bottom line is that Osama bin Laden was living under close Pakistani military protection, something no US or Pakistan authority dare acknowledge because doing so would spread the Afghan battleground over a lot more territory. From local civilian eye-witness accounts there was a hell of a firefight which went on for 40 minutes with the loss of one helicopter. Mechanical problems? Well they would say that, wouldn't they.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:41 am

Odie;1358607 wrote: Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!:yh_flag

I don't know who the idiot was who started this one on the web but it's always nice to see there are plenty of others out there willing to claim it and call it their own.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:49 am

flopstock;1358635 wrote: I don't know who the idiot was who started this one on the web but it's always nice to see there are plenty of others out there willing to claim it and call it their own.

Ah. I was puzzled at how well punctuated it was. Well done. Odie and colons quite simply don't go together.

As for whether Osama bin Laden succeeded in what he set out to achieve, I don't think there's the least doubt about it.

Did he embroil the US into a military occupation of areas of the Middle East? Yes, and that was a major long-term strategic objective of his.

Has the US military occupation radicalised large numbers of Muslims who would otherwise have admired the American system? Undoubtedly it has.

He succeeded beyond his most optimistic dreams, he even managed to go down fighting in battle with his face to the enemy which is the biggest propaganda gift in the history of own goals.

Will Iraq remain a US province after the troop withdrawal? I doubt it very much. Is the US going to withdraw from Afghanistan with no more influence over Afghan affairs than the Russians had after their pull-out? I fervently hope so, it's the only just result for the invasion.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:09 am

flopstock;1358635 wrote: I don't know who the idiot was who started this one on the web but it's always nice to see there are plenty of others out there willing to claim it and call it their own.

It's all over facebook, I don't get this copy and paste lark, it's like people can't think of their own words to say so they nick someone else's. How original. :wah:

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:11 am

Betty Boop;1358637 wrote: it's like people can't think of their own words to say so they nick someone else's.To be fair to her, the idea expressed in the post isn't one you'd expect Odie to be able to work out from scratch. It does have a degree of complexity to it.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:16 am

spot;1358638 wrote: To be fair to her, the idea expressed in the post isn't one you'd expect Odie to be able to work out from scratch. It does have a degree of complexity to it.

But seriously - of all the thoughts a person could have regarding the death of bin laden - concern that Obama could be getting the credit for it? Really???

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:18 am

flopstock;1358639 wrote: But seriously - of all the thoughts a person could have regarding the death of bin laden - concern that Obama could be getting the credit for it? Really???

Were you Sarah Palin it might keep you awake at night.

Finding you were Sarah Palin might keep you awake at night anyway, mind.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:29 am

flopstock;1358639 wrote: But seriously - of all the thoughts a person could have regarding the death of bin laden - concern that Obama could be getting the credit for it? Really???

I thought it was the republicans who almost shut down the government by not voting the budget or something?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue May 03, 2011 5:29 am

flopstock;1358635 wrote: I don't know who the idiot was who started this one on the web but it's always nice to see there are plenty of others out there willing to claim it and call it their own.

omg......did I say it was my own? no!:rolleyes:

you and spot really need to lighten up.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue May 03, 2011 6:02 am

I hear Obama has a catchy new theme song

YouTube - Snap - I ve Got The power

Actually I can't understand all the words, all I can make out is I've got the powerr and stay off my back or I will attack but it seems appropriate. Rap will never catch on unless they start speaking properly.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 6:47 am

Odie;1358643 wrote: omg......did I say it was my own? no!:rolleyes:

you and spot really need to lighten up.

Did you write "you and spot really need to lighten up" out of your head, or did you copy/paste it? Because unless you say, we can't tell, not unless there's an assumption that you'll say if it wasn't your own. It's called attribution.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue May 03, 2011 6:49 am

There is a Tshirt vendor in NY selling shirts that say something along the line of...

Sorry it took so long to get you a copy of my birth certificate. I was too busy killing Osama bin Laden

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 8:04 am

Scrat

What do you mean the Military is the reason this Country is going to hell ? what are you saying?

Patsy

I didn't say it was the only reason, it's one of the biggest reasons. Just look it up on Wiki. Try to wrap your mind around these numbers, we're still paying interest on war debts from the past.

Defense-related expenditure↓ 2012 Budget request & Mandatory spending[18][19]↓ Calculation[20][21]↓

DOD spending $707.5 billion Base budget + "Overseas Contingency Operations"

FBI counter-terrorism $2.7 billion At least one-third FBI budget.

International Affairs $5.6–$63.0 billion At minimum, foreign arms sales. At most, entire State budget

Energy Department, defense-related $21.8 billion

Veterans Affairs $70.0 billion

Homeland Security $46.9 billion

NASA, satellites $3.5–$8.7 billion Between 20% and 50% of NASA's total budget

Veterans pensions $54.6 billion

Other defense-related mandatory spending $8.2 billion

Interest on debt incurred in past wars $109.1–$431.5 billion Between 23% and 91% of total interest

Total Spending $1.030–$1.415 trillion

We're cutting education, scientific research, health care, R&D and many more very necessary dollars to feed this beast and in the end if we don't stop it will kill us. Patsy, kids graduating from Washington universities are going overseas to find jobs. Students from China and other countries in Asia are paying top dollar for an education here in America and returning to their countries with the diplomas and that most indispensable of commodities - KNOWLEDGE. Politicians aren't even talking about competing in the world economy anymore. I'm not sure but I don't think we can. Our manufacturing ability is obsolete or already sold for scrap to China. A Latte machine (an icon of the service economy) can't weave denim for blue jeans. All these green energy startup companies you hear about building solar panels? They're moving to China as fast as they can. There's no future for them here.

So we got Osama Bin Laden but we broke our back doing it? 40 years ago the USSR had built the largest land based military force in human history. It was the main reason the USSR failed. We're next.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 8:08 am

I expect the last ten years have added significantly to the cost of supporting veterans too. I know the current figure's there in your list, scrat, but it's a tip-of-the-iceberg figure unless they're left to their own devices and refused assistance.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue May 03, 2011 8:11 am

I don't agree on a lot of your points Scrat but on this I agree down we go.

So we got Osama Bin Laden but we broke our back doing it? 40 years ago the USSR had built the largest land based military force in human history. It was the main reason the USSR failed. We're next.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue May 03, 2011 8:20 am

flopstock;1358653 wrote: There is a Tshirt vendor in NY selling shirts that say something along the line of...

Sorry it took so long to get you a copy of my birth certificate. I was too busy killing Osama bin Laden

why of course and they'll be selling like hot cakes, just a few:

Attached files

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 8:45 am

Coordinates for Osamas compound. I use Google earth.

34.169333 73.242559

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:58 am

someone's here again....but nothing to say.:sneaky::yh_rotfl

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:24 am

OBAMA GOT OSAMA! I like that, has a nice ring to it!

What's all this "Bush" stuff? He couldn't find Osama for 8 years!

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:31 am

Saint_;1358677 wrote: OBAMA GOT OSAMA! I like that, has a nice ring to it! :)It will be a rhyming godsend to anyone composing the definitive 12 Bar Blues on the tribulations of leading a Holy War while being married to four wives.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:35 am

spot;1358679 wrote: It will be a rhyming godsend to anyone composing the definitive 12 Bar Blues on the tribulations of leading a Holy War while being married to four wives.

HEY! Spot made a joke! LOL! Good one, Spot! See? I knew you had a sense of humor in there somewhere!

You're just an average Joe down deep!

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:37 am

Odie;1358672 wrote: someone's here again....but nothing to say.:sneaky::yh_rotfl

This is just asinine

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:51 am

Saint_;1358680 wrote: HEY! Spot made a joke! LOL! Good one, Spot! See? I knew you had a sense of humor in there somewhere!

You're just an average Joe down deep!

Come on, we should be able to put something suitably commemorative together. Shall I start?

I'm away back to Tora Bora, this life just ain't what it used to be

Have to get me back to Tora Bora, days now just ain't what they used to be

Can't get to so much as the shops now, too many people are looking out just for me

It ain't easy Lord, it's ain't easy being six foot four

Life's complicated, I say complicated when you're six foot four

That's the last thing you need when your Wanted poster's nailed to every other door

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:55 am

I don't agree on a lot of your points Scrat but on this I agree down we go.

I agree on many points others have also. I never thought OBL was a big thing until just recently when I read a book about him written by someone who really knew what he was talking about. The problem is the multi sided nature of this conflict. We have a tarbaby tiger by the tail and we're damned if we let go and damned if we don't. I have sometimes thought that hunkering down was not the best thing we could do but I really think that now we should leave the Mid East.

Of course that will never happen.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 11:00 am

What's all this "Bush" stuff? He couldn't find Osama for 8 years!

C'mon. There's a school of thought that says we always knew where he was. I think it's entirely plausible. I know somebody did. Maybe he just ran out of money to pay the bribes and the check bounced. :yh_rotfl

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue May 03, 2011 11:40 am

spot;1358630 wrote: Hitler was dead, so you couldn't. You plundered what was left and settled for hiding Werner von Braun's unit instead, and believe me - admit it - your government would have been livid if the Russians had sent a team into Fort Bliss and killed them. And, before you laugh at the comparison, SS Sturmbannführer Werner von Braun authorized the collateral deaths of far more Allied civilians than Osama bin Laden did, mostly in London, and all the Hollywood whitewashing in the world as an All-American Hero failed to save him from Tom Lehrer's historical verdict.

The bottom line is that Osama bin Laden was living under close Pakistani military protection, something no US or Pakistan authority dare acknowledge because doing so would spread the Afghan battleground over a lot more territory. From local civilian eye-witness accounts there was a hell of a firefight which went on for 40 minutes with the loss of one helicopter. Mechanical problems? Well they would say that, wouldn't they.

The latest that's being reported? A "senior Washington official" is claiming that there were "no guards at the compound" when it was stormed by the Seals.

If true it would make the whole situation worse - suggesting that the ground crew were incapable of preparing a Blackhawk well enough to survive a short flight and that the Seals walked in unopposed and shot OLB, his wife and at least four associates in cold blood.

Mind you, the possibility of it being true is falling off the bottom of the scale in credibility.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue May 03, 2011 11:47 am

Scrat;1358685 wrote: I really think that now we should leave the Mid East.

I'm actually completely on your side here. But of course...there's that whole "oil" thing.

Of course that will never happen.

Don't be so negative. The oil is bound to run out someday!

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:42 pm

No, Russia has more oil and gas that they can take out of the earth in a 1000 years. In the Altai foothills they found a copper field the size of California. If you go further south into the Hindu Kush and Himalayas you have mineral wealth that you can't imagine. The west needs access to this wealth, or more accurately the west needs to deprive others of it.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:48 pm

There were 2 armed men on the first floor, OBL and the others were on the second and third floors. There were guards, they were inside. If you're hiding in plain sight you don't want to attract attention to yourself.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:20 pm

so where's this so called video they took at the time?

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:46 pm

Unlike the other Americans shown on the news, I am not jubilant. I say, "It's about time he was found." and ask "What's next?"

Terrorism still exists and there will be others to lead.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue May 03, 2011 3:56 pm

along-for-the-ride;1358714 wrote: Unlike the other Americans shown on the news, I am not jubilant. I say, "It's about time he was found." and ask "What's next?"

Terrorism still exists and there will be others to lead.

A far more reasoned and reasonable reaction

Post by **spot** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:03 pm

Anyone who's followed this thread will be interested to read Robert Fisk's article in today's Independent.

Robert Fisk: Was he betrayed? Of course. Pakistan knew Bin Laden's hiding place all along

All of it matters. This relates to the question of the kill don't capture order:Of course, there is one more obvious question unanswered: couldn't they have captured Bin Laden? Didn't the CIA or the Navy Seals or the US Special Forces or whatever American outfit killed him have the means to throw a net over the tiger? "Justice," Barack Obama called his death. In the old days, of course, "justice" meant due process, a court, a hearing, a defence, a trial. Like the sons of Saddam, Bin Laden was gunned down. Sure, he never wanted to be taken alive – and there were buckets of blood in the room in which he died.

But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia's head of intelligence. Just as Saddam – who was tried for the murder of a mere 153 people rather than thousands of gassed Kurds – was hanged before he had the chance to tell us about the gas components that came from America, his friendship with Donald Rumsfeld, the US military assistance he received when he invaded Iran in 1980.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:36 pm

I wonder just how much of what is on those hard drives we will ever see. Names places amounts of dollars that exchanged hands. I guarantee there will be little if any divulged. Maybe Wikileaks will get hold of it.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:39 pm

spot;1358719 wrote: A couldn't they have captured Bin Laden? Didn't the CIA or the Navy Seals or the US Special Forces or whatever American outfit killed him have the means to throw a net over the tiger?

Why get someone else killed ? He was shooting!

"Justice," Barack Obama called his death.

I agree. 3000 lives for one is not justice. But it will do until we can find another 2999 Al Quaeda members.

In the old days, of course, "justice" meant due process, a court, a hearing, a defence, a trial.

Actually, around where I live, in the "Old Days" justice meant a rope and a tree. But two bullets to the head or lethal injection, who cares? It's about the same thing for a confessed mass murderer, right? Quick, painless, no fuss, no muss.

Like the sons of Saddam, Bin Laden was gunned down.

Yep. That's normal procedure for rabid animals. Safer for everyone that way.

there were buckets of blood in the room in which he died.

A drop in the ocean of blood that washed out of the World Trade Towers...

But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia's head of intelligence. Just as Saddam – who was tried for the murder of a mere 153 people rather than thousands of gassed Kurds – was hanged before he had the chance to tell us about the gas components that came from America, his friendship with Donald Rumsfeld, the US military assistance he received when he invaded Iran in 1980.

I agree. We took him out and shut him up at the same time. We're happy. Our friends are happy. The world is happy, and the skeletons stay in the closet forever. Much better for everyone this way!

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Tue May 03, 2011 4:51 pm

He was shooting!

I heard the Whitehouse said he was unarmed. It has the stench of BS about it.

Anyway, speaking of Wikileaks.

Pakistan's ISI Intelligence Agency Listed As Terror Organization By U.S. Authorities: Wikileaks

How can we call the Pakis allies?