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On a point of information, "Paki" in the UK is considered a grossly abusive abbreviation. I'm aware that this isn't the case in other countries but we might nevertheless consider whether it's precisely what we mean. An American would use it, naturally enough, of a resident of Pakistan. Over here it refers solely, if ignorantly, to any member of a family which immigrated to the UK from the Indian sub-continent.
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Scrat;1358728 wrote: I heard the Whitehouse said he was unarmed. It has the stench of BS about it.
Anyway, speaking of Wikileaks.
Pakistan's ISI Intelligence Agency Listed As Terror Organization By U.S. Authorities: Wikileaks
How can we call the Pakis allies?
'Pakis'? That is disgraceful & highly inappropriate!
You certainly show your racism!
Anyway, speaking of Wikileaks.
Pakistan's ISI Intelligence Agency Listed As Terror Organization By U.S. Authorities: Wikileaks
How can we call the Pakis allies?
'Pakis'? That is disgraceful & highly inappropriate!
You certainly show your racism!
Life is just to short for drama.
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OI BLAAAHT!! Strelyatyeh menyah!! I didn't know it was racist. The main reason I was typing it was for less keystrokes. Pakis is easier to type than Pakistanis. I'll just call their politicians Pakis.
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posted by scrat
I heard the Whitehouse said he was unarmed. It has the stench of BS about it.
It's easy to second guess after the event. the one who shot him might not have realised ha had no weapon and acted accordngly, doesn't sound like he was sitting quietly with his hands up saying take me take me. Would you have assumed he was unarned and taken the chance?
Besides none of the 911 victims got a chance to defend themselves at all.
posted by scrat
OI BLAAAHT!! Strelyatyeh menyah!! I didn't know it was racist. The main reason I was typing it was for less keystrokes. Pakis is easier to type than Pakistanis. I'll just call their politicians Pakis.
It's not racist in your context so just because it is in the UK doesn't mean you should apologise. It's no more racist than me calling you a yank, Jock, paddy it's the context that matters. I worked with a bunch of west indians who kept calling me Jock. In the context they used it was racist and intended to offend. We came to an amicable agreement they stopped calling me jock and I stopped callng them sambo.
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On a point of information, "Paki" in the UK is considered a grossly abusive abbreviation. I'm aware that this isn't the case in other countries but we might nevertheless consider whether it's precisely what we mean. An American would use it, naturally enough, of a resident of Pakistan. Over here it refers solely, if ignorantly, to any member of a family which immigrated to the UK from the Indian sub-continent.
You should hear what the indians have to say about the pakis.
It's already starting - is osama really dead etc etc.
posted by spot from article
But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia's head of intelligence. Just as Saddam – who was tried for the murder of a mere 153 people rather than thousands of gassed Kurds – was hanged before he had the chance to tell us about the gas components that came from America, his friendship with Donald Rumsfeld, the US military assistance he received when he invaded Iran in 1980.
But we all know what happened, none of that is secret and until the US people and us as well come to that take action to punish the double standards of our politicians and that it is not acceoptable it will go on. Even now a blind eye is turned to what is being done in bahrain to prop up a repressive regime. We seem to vbe incapable of making politicians being two faced shits.
I heard the Whitehouse said he was unarmed. It has the stench of BS about it.
It's easy to second guess after the event. the one who shot him might not have realised ha had no weapon and acted accordngly, doesn't sound like he was sitting quietly with his hands up saying take me take me. Would you have assumed he was unarned and taken the chance?
Besides none of the 911 victims got a chance to defend themselves at all.
posted by scrat
OI BLAAAHT!! Strelyatyeh menyah!! I didn't know it was racist. The main reason I was typing it was for less keystrokes. Pakis is easier to type than Pakistanis. I'll just call their politicians Pakis.
It's not racist in your context so just because it is in the UK doesn't mean you should apologise. It's no more racist than me calling you a yank, Jock, paddy it's the context that matters. I worked with a bunch of west indians who kept calling me Jock. In the context they used it was racist and intended to offend. We came to an amicable agreement they stopped calling me jock and I stopped callng them sambo.
posted by spot
On a point of information, "Paki" in the UK is considered a grossly abusive abbreviation. I'm aware that this isn't the case in other countries but we might nevertheless consider whether it's precisely what we mean. An American would use it, naturally enough, of a resident of Pakistan. Over here it refers solely, if ignorantly, to any member of a family which immigrated to the UK from the Indian sub-continent.
You should hear what the indians have to say about the pakis.
It's already starting - is osama really dead etc etc.
posted by spot from article
But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia's head of intelligence. Just as Saddam – who was tried for the murder of a mere 153 people rather than thousands of gassed Kurds – was hanged before he had the chance to tell us about the gas components that came from America, his friendship with Donald Rumsfeld, the US military assistance he received when he invaded Iran in 1980.
But we all know what happened, none of that is secret and until the US people and us as well come to that take action to punish the double standards of our politicians and that it is not acceoptable it will go on. Even now a blind eye is turned to what is being done in bahrain to prop up a repressive regime. We seem to vbe incapable of making politicians being two faced shits.
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Scrat;1358738 wrote: The main reason I was typing it was for less keystrokes.There's a useful convention growing on the Internet of typing the two-character top level domain of a country in capitals, followed by "er" (or "ess"). As in, for a Pakistani, PKer. Or from other parts of the world AUer, RUer, USer etc.
This SCer, IEer and ENer go into a bar and the SCer says...
I was talking to a FRess on the train the other day and...
It's nowhere near the expressiveness of Geek code but, being simple, it's catching on.
This SCer, IEer and ENer go into a bar and the SCer says...
I was talking to a FRess on the train the other day and...
It's nowhere near the expressiveness of Geek code but, being simple, it's catching on.
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Did he succeed in bankrupting the US?
Rachel Maddow Show
Never heard of her till recently but her research seems at least to be fairly thorough and objective. Warfare and the economy has been the end of every empire there ever was, although warfare and economics has been what makes them empires in the first place.
Mind you I think right wing economic policies are incredibly destructive. Corporate feudalism is still feudalism you need the language to see it for what it is. .
Rachel Maddow Show
Never heard of her till recently but her research seems at least to be fairly thorough and objective. Warfare and the economy has been the end of every empire there ever was, although warfare and economics has been what makes them empires in the first place.
Mind you I think right wing economic policies are incredibly destructive. Corporate feudalism is still feudalism you need the language to see it for what it is. .
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He didn't set the conditions which have brought about the downfall. I think he triggered the terminal seizure but there had to be several significant minorities in the US to whip the lemmings into line, both economically and psychologically. Hate plays on an unprecedented scale in American society, it's the single most powerful driving force and it's very easy to direct from above. And, of course, it generates more of whatever it's currently hating, it's a great example of a positive feedback system.
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I'll second that Spot. He/Al-Quaida may have lost the battle but I think he won the war or at least struck a blow we will never recover form.
Nation & World | Bin Laden succeeded in economic strategy | Seattle Times Newspaper
Nation & World | Bin Laden succeeded in economic strategy | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Omgosh, i'm so freaking glad this finally happened. That's all i can say. PTL!
Smoke signals ftw!
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You know what's odd Skittles? Everyone else on this site remembers 9/11 from an adult perspective, you must have been around 11 when it happened. What do you remember of the day? Did you think at the time that it was something remote or something close-up? We've never had anyone your age talk about it here.
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Would anyone like Paul Craig Roberts' musings on the weekend's events? They're a discussion of what's happened in public, they're not speculative in the sense of lacking evidence. That's why I thought they might be of interest here. I'll copy the start, to give a flavour. People can follow the link if they're interested.The US government’s bin Laden story was so poorly crafted that it did not last 48 hours before being fundamentally altered. Indeed, the new story put out on Tuesday by White House press secretary Jay Carney bears little resemblance to the original Sunday evening story. The fierce firefight did not occur. Osama bin Laden did not hide behind a woman. Indeed, bin Laden, Carney said, “was not armed.”
The firefight story was instantly suspicious as not a single SEAL got a scratch, despite being up against al Qaeda, described by former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld as ‘the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the earth.” Defense.gov News Article: Rumsfeld Visits, Thanks U.S. Troops at Camp X-Ray in Cuba
Every original story detail has been changed. It wasn’t bin Laden’s wife who was murdered by the Navy SEALs , but the wife of an aide. It wasn’t bin Laden’s son, Khalid, who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but son Hamza.
Carney blamed the changed story on “the fog of war.” But there was no firefight, so where did the “fog of war” come from?
The White House has also had to abandon the story that President Obama and his national security team watched tensely as events unfolded in real time (despite the White House having released photos of the team watching tensely), with the operation conveyed into the White House by cameras on the SEALs helmets. If Obama was watching the event as it happened, he would have noticed, one would hope, that there was no firefight and, thus, would not have told the public that bin Laden was killed in a firefight. Another reason the story had to be abandoned is that if the event was captured on video, every news service in the world would be asking for the video, but if the event was orchestrated theater, there would be no video.
No explanation has been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the SEALs with a shot to the head. For those who believe the government’s story that “we got bin Laden,” the operation can only appear as the most botched operation in history. What kind of incompetence does it require to senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable intelligence asset on the planet?
The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News Event
The firefight story was instantly suspicious as not a single SEAL got a scratch, despite being up against al Qaeda, described by former Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld as ‘the most dangerous, best-trained, vicious killers on the face of the earth.” Defense.gov News Article: Rumsfeld Visits, Thanks U.S. Troops at Camp X-Ray in Cuba
Every original story detail has been changed. It wasn’t bin Laden’s wife who was murdered by the Navy SEALs , but the wife of an aide. It wasn’t bin Laden’s son, Khalid, who was murdered by the Navy SEALs, but son Hamza.
Carney blamed the changed story on “the fog of war.” But there was no firefight, so where did the “fog of war” come from?
The White House has also had to abandon the story that President Obama and his national security team watched tensely as events unfolded in real time (despite the White House having released photos of the team watching tensely), with the operation conveyed into the White House by cameras on the SEALs helmets. If Obama was watching the event as it happened, he would have noticed, one would hope, that there was no firefight and, thus, would not have told the public that bin Laden was killed in a firefight. Another reason the story had to be abandoned is that if the event was captured on video, every news service in the world would be asking for the video, but if the event was orchestrated theater, there would be no video.
No explanation has been provided for why an unarmed bin Laden, in the absence of a firefight, was murdered by the SEALs with a shot to the head. For those who believe the government’s story that “we got bin Laden,” the operation can only appear as the most botched operation in history. What kind of incompetence does it require to senselessly and needlessly kill the most valuable intelligence asset on the planet?
The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News Event
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It's hard to believe that the US managed to fly a helicopter of SEALs right next to the Pakistan military training base without knowledge and approval of the Pakistan government.
It's easy to believe that they didn't expect Bin Laden to give up without a fight and that they might assume no one else would expect them to bring him out alive, making it easier to fail to extract him in a breathing state. Also easy to believe that every one of those SEALs might have wanted to be the one to shoot Bin Laden in the head, whether anyone would ever find which one did it or not. That mentality is part of what motivates a person to do something like join the army.
It's easy to believe that the US government wanted to come up with the most flattering story to dramatize the events.
Hard to believe the US government would pick a random moment to take action on their knowledge of Bin Laden's whereabouts.
Easy to believe they feel it will help both in Obama's popularity and support for any and all military operations taking place.
Hard to support assassination.
Easy to hope the assassination will help stop the wars killing so many other people.
Hard to believe that will be the result.
It was an interesting article but a little too predictive and theory based to qualify as actual journalism. Nevertheless, worth a read and good that Robert's got his gut feelings down on paper so he can say "I told you so" if it turns out he was right.
It's easy to believe that they didn't expect Bin Laden to give up without a fight and that they might assume no one else would expect them to bring him out alive, making it easier to fail to extract him in a breathing state. Also easy to believe that every one of those SEALs might have wanted to be the one to shoot Bin Laden in the head, whether anyone would ever find which one did it or not. That mentality is part of what motivates a person to do something like join the army.
It's easy to believe that the US government wanted to come up with the most flattering story to dramatize the events.
Hard to believe the US government would pick a random moment to take action on their knowledge of Bin Laden's whereabouts.
Easy to believe they feel it will help both in Obama's popularity and support for any and all military operations taking place.
Hard to support assassination.
Easy to hope the assassination will help stop the wars killing so many other people.
Hard to believe that will be the result.
It was an interesting article but a little too predictive and theory based to qualify as actual journalism. Nevertheless, worth a read and good that Robert's got his gut feelings down on paper so he can say "I told you so" if it turns out he was right.
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I think the Americans are stuck with the permanent question "why did you lie to start with or, if you didn't lie to start with, why are you lying now", since the accounts are so diametrically opposed. And since President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were all eye-witnesses throughout you wonder why they didn't or don't correct the erroneous story, but they're all stuck with having lied too.
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spot;1358823 wrote: I think the Americans are stuck with the permanent question "why did you lie to start with or, if you didn't lie to start with, why are you lying now", since the accounts are so diametrically opposed. And since President Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden were all eye-witnesses throughout you wonder why they didn't or don't correct the erroneous story, but they're all stuck with having lied too.
As I said, "It's easy to believe that the US government wanted to come up with the most flattering story to dramatize the events."
I don't think anyone is going to faint with shock over a politician lying to them. Do you?
As I said, "It's easy to believe that the US government wanted to come up with the most flattering story to dramatize the events."
I don't think anyone is going to faint with shock over a politician lying to them. Do you?
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Just so long as nobody pretends there's any truth on offer. Just so long as nobody ever has the gall to come out with "trust us on this one".
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Not *any* truth? You don't think Bin Laden is actually dead?
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It's hard to believe that the US managed to fly a helicopter of SEALs right next to the Pakistan military training base without knowledge and approval of the Pakistan government.
I thought of that at first also. It turns out American aircraft routinely use a nearby air port and the military academy has facilities for choppers. All types of aircraft are in the area all the time.
Sneaking up through the herd.
I thought of that at first also. It turns out American aircraft routinely use a nearby air port and the military academy has facilities for choppers. All types of aircraft are in the area all the time.
Sneaking up through the herd.
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koan;1358827 wrote: Not *any* truth? You don't think Bin Laden is actually dead?
I'd be astounded if he weren't. If he were in Abbottabad over the weekend and flown out alive by SEALs then announcing his death would leave any protracted interrogation process free of oversight or accountability. I don't assert it, I merely observe its truth as a statement, but given the blatant lying of the last few days, who can tell. For all I know he died years ago. The one bunch I'm completely discounting as trustworthy witnesses are the American military and their commanders.
I'd be astounded if he weren't. If he were in Abbottabad over the weekend and flown out alive by SEALs then announcing his death would leave any protracted interrogation process free of oversight or accountability. I don't assert it, I merely observe its truth as a statement, but given the blatant lying of the last few days, who can tell. For all I know he died years ago. The one bunch I'm completely discounting as trustworthy witnesses are the American military and their commanders.
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It seems to be an assassination quite clearly. I would think it's up to the Pakistan government to raise a stink about it or no one else will bother since he was an internationally recognized terrorist and claimed responsibility for terrorist attacks. I'm pretty sure people would pay attention if Pakistan objected to a military operation in their country without their knowledge and participation.
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Looks like that might happen.
In a statement, the Pakistani government said "this event of unauthorized unilateral action cannot be taken as a rule."
"The government of Pakistan further affirms that such an event shall not serve as a future precedent for any state, including the U.S.," it said, calling such actions a "threat to international peace and security."
The statement may be partly motivated by domestic concerns. The government and army has come under criticism following the raid by those who have accused the government of allowing Washington to violate the country's sovereignty. Islamabad has also been angered at the suspicions it had been sheltering bin Laden
Pakistan criticizes US raid on bin Laden - Yahoo! News
They'll have to get more aggressive with their complaints to get an inquiry.
In a statement, the Pakistani government said "this event of unauthorized unilateral action cannot be taken as a rule."
"The government of Pakistan further affirms that such an event shall not serve as a future precedent for any state, including the U.S.," it said, calling such actions a "threat to international peace and security."
The statement may be partly motivated by domestic concerns. The government and army has come under criticism following the raid by those who have accused the government of allowing Washington to violate the country's sovereignty. Islamabad has also been angered at the suspicions it had been sheltering bin Laden
Pakistan criticizes US raid on bin Laden - Yahoo! News
They'll have to get more aggressive with their complaints to get an inquiry.
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The pakistanis are in a no win situation, if they did know of and allow the operation they need to worry about repririsals from militants, if they didn't know he was there they look incompetent. If some of the high ups in the adminisstration knew OBL was there and supported him they need to find out who. It's almost a civil war against islamic militants if you are pakistani. Not helped by the americans backing a military dictatorship against democracy for so many years. When you are livimg on the borders and your homes are bombed by foreigners with the collusion of your own govermnment it's hard not to sympathise with anyone against them. When political opposition and discourse is curbed then extremists become the voice of freedom, daft as that may seem. Don't forget the Pakistanis have lost a lot of troops fighting extremists.
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a case of get him but make sure it is him. Does it matter? people will believe what they want regardless, like those idiots that think the twin towers was a joint operation between the CIA and the terrorists.
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a case of get him but make sure it is him. Does it matter? people will believe what they want regardless, like those idiots that think the twin towers was a joint operation between the CIA and the terrorists.
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funny how Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would.
The government can say what they want about his DNA, but without seeing photos are we sure he was buried at sea just because that is the mustlim tradition when I cannot see Obama respecting Osma's wishes just because some over there may be upset?
why would he ever respect his wishes, c'mon.
I do believe what I believe, that the US has him.
The government can say what they want about his DNA, but without seeing photos are we sure he was buried at sea just because that is the mustlim tradition when I cannot see Obama respecting Osma's wishes just because some over there may be upset?
why would he ever respect his wishes, c'mon.
I do believe what I believe, that the US has him.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1358844 wrote: funny how Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would.
The government can say what they want about his DNA, but without seeing photos are we sure he was buried at sea just because that is the mustlim tradition when I cannot see Obama respecting Osma's wishes just because some over there may be upset?
why would he ever respect his wishes, c'mon.
I do believe what I believe, that the US has him.
The daughter is apparently claiming he was executed afetr surrendering.
Osama Bin Laden dead: Pakistan refuse to hand his youngest wife over to US | Mail Online
Daily mail report so be careful. The stories will run and run, he's dead no matter what. I notice no one in alqueda is claiming otherwise.
The government can say what they want about his DNA, but without seeing photos are we sure he was buried at sea just because that is the mustlim tradition when I cannot see Obama respecting Osma's wishes just because some over there may be upset?
why would he ever respect his wishes, c'mon.
I do believe what I believe, that the US has him.
The daughter is apparently claiming he was executed afetr surrendering.
Osama Bin Laden dead: Pakistan refuse to hand his youngest wife over to US | Mail Online
Daily mail report so be careful. The stories will run and run, he's dead no matter what. I notice no one in alqueda is claiming otherwise.
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If this part of the article were too happen it wouldn't bother me.
Another possibility is that Obama realized that the the budget deficit and the dollar’s rescue from collapse require the end of the expensive Afghan war and occupation and spillover war into Pakistan. As the purpose of the war was to get bin Laden, success in this objective allows the US to withdraw without loss of face, thus making it possible to reduce the US budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars annually--an easy way to have a major spending cut.
The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News Event : Information Clearing House: ICH
Another possibility is that Obama realized that the the budget deficit and the dollar’s rescue from collapse require the end of the expensive Afghan war and occupation and spillover war into Pakistan. As the purpose of the war was to get bin Laden, success in this objective allows the US to withdraw without loss of face, thus making it possible to reduce the US budget deficit by several hundred billion dollars annually--an easy way to have a major spending cut.
The Agendas Behind the Bin Laden News Event : Information Clearing House: ICH
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gmc;1358846 wrote: The daughter is apparently claiming he was executed afetr surrendering.
Osama Bin Laden dead: Pakistan refuse to hand his youngest wife over to US | Mail Online
Daily mail report so be careful. The stories will run and run, he's dead no matter what. I notice no one in alqueda is claiming otherwise.
'The daughter’s claims, which are impossible to verify, were said to have been made to Pakistani investigators and were reported by Arabic news network Al-Arabiya.'
Osama Bin Laden dead: Pakistan refuse to hand his youngest wife over to US | Mail Online
Daily mail report so be careful. The stories will run and run, he's dead no matter what. I notice no one in alqueda is claiming otherwise.
'The daughter’s claims, which are impossible to verify, were said to have been made to Pakistani investigators and were reported by Arabic news network Al-Arabiya.'
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;1358850 wrote: 'The daughter’s claims, which are impossible to verify, were said to have been made to Pakistani investigators and were reported by Arabic news network Al-Arabiya.'
Though, to be fair, they'd be easy to verify if the White House released the complete unedited videos of the raid as piped live to the War Cabinet. Osama bin Laden's 12 year old daughter can't be faulted for not having a video camera running while her daddy was shot dead in front of her, to verify her account. The same can't be said for the President.
Your "Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would" has me very excited, Odie. Where did he originally say he would? I'm keen to read that bit in more detail, maybe you'll be good enough to show it to me.
Though, to be fair, they'd be easy to verify if the White House released the complete unedited videos of the raid as piped live to the War Cabinet. Osama bin Laden's 12 year old daughter can't be faulted for not having a video camera running while her daddy was shot dead in front of her, to verify her account. The same can't be said for the President.
Your "Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would" has me very excited, Odie. Where did he originally say he would? I'm keen to read that bit in more detail, maybe you'll be good enough to show it to me.
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spot;1358851 wrote: Though, to be fair, they'd be easy to verify if the White House released the complete unedited videos of the raid as piped live to the War Cabinet. Osama bin Laden's 12 year old daughter can't be faulted for not having a video camera running while her daddy was shot dead in front of her, to verify her account. The same can't be said for the President.
Your "Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would" has me very excited, Odie. Where did he originally say he would? I'm keen to read that bit in more detail, maybe you'll be good enough to show it to me.
He announced that in his speech late last Sunday night.
on '60 Minutes' this coming Sunday, Obama will be on the show explaining everything, so I hope everyone catches it.
Your "Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would" has me very excited, Odie. Where did he originally say he would? I'm keen to read that bit in more detail, maybe you'll be good enough to show it to me.
He announced that in his speech late last Sunday night.
on '60 Minutes' this coming Sunday, Obama will be on the show explaining everything, so I hope everyone catches it.
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One ironic thing about all this. Politicians and people who were outraged at the water boarding are happy about an assassination. Go figure.
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Odie;1358852 wrote: He announced that in his speech late last Sunday night.You live in a little cloud-cuckoo-land all of your own, sweetie.
Remarks by the President on Osama Bin Laden | The White House
No he didn't. "Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would" is just your own wishful dreaming, as usual.
Remarks by the President on Osama Bin Laden | The White House
No he didn't. "Obama now refuses to release photos of his dead body when he said he originally would" is just your own wishful dreaming, as usual.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Odie;1358852 wrote: He announced that in his speech late last Sunday night.
on '60 Minutes' this coming Sunday, Obama will be on the show explaining everything, so I hope everyone catches it.
Not likely. Who watches obscure american news programmes? The adverts would drive anyone away. no doubt the highlights will be shown on the BBC so it will reach a wider audience:sneaky:
on '60 Minutes' this coming Sunday, Obama will be on the show explaining everything, so I hope everyone catches it.
Not likely. Who watches obscure american news programmes? The adverts would drive anyone away. no doubt the highlights will be shown on the BBC so it will reach a wider audience:sneaky:
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gmc;1358865 wrote: Not likely. Who watches obscure american news programmes? The adverts would drive anyone away. no doubt the highlights will be shown on the BBC so it will reach a wider audience:sneaky:
good luck with that one:yh_rotfl
good luck with that one:yh_rotfl
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spot;1358810 wrote: You know what's odd Skittles? Everyone else on this site remembers 9/11 from an adult perspective, you must have been around 11 when it happened. What do you remember of the day? Did you think at the time that it was something remote or something close-up? We've never had anyone your age talk about it here.i was 11... it wasn't til like 4 years later that it actually hit me what really was going on.... I remember people talking about it in classes and friends calling their parent's... i just remember thinking... why the heck does this concern us?
Smoke signals ftw!
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To be honest, everyone talks about the effects of 9/11 all the time... but honestly, i just started living when that happened so to me it doesn't feel like anything has changed at all... i don't know what it's like to be able to run through the airports like they did in home alone, but apparently you used to be able to do that...
Smoke signals ftw!