Is God real? Well really there are only two choices as to how we got here; evolution or creation. One could use the odds of that to reason God must be real. The odds of evolution being true and occuring are 100 billion billion to one, such a thing could hardly occur again, the chance of it is astronomically mind boggling. Such lucky spontaneous generation from absolute zero would have been a miracle, but come now, evolutionist do not believe in miracles, although the theory is obviously founded on one.
Then you have the other choice; God.
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Is God Real?
Mickiel;1366959 wrote: Is God real? Well really there are only two choices as to how we got here; evolution or creation. One could use the odds of that to reason God must be real. The odds of evolution being true and occuring are 100 billion billion to one, such a thing could hardly occur again, the chance of it is astronomically mind boggling. Such lucky spontaneous generation from absolute zero would have been a miracle, but come now, evolutionist do not believe in miracles, although the theory is obviously founded on one.
Then you have the other choice; God.
The fact that we are here means that the odds worked out. On the hundred billion billion (if we accept your plucked out of the air estimate) other planets in the universe the odds didn't work out and no-one is there wondering why not.
Given an infinite universe every possible outcome will occur - not a miracle but a statistical certainty.
Then you have the other choice; God.
The fact that we are here means that the odds worked out. On the hundred billion billion (if we accept your plucked out of the air estimate) other planets in the universe the odds didn't work out and no-one is there wondering why not.
Given an infinite universe every possible outcome will occur - not a miracle but a statistical certainty.
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Bryn Mawr;1366982 wrote: The fact that we are here means that the odds worked out. On the hundred billion billion (if we accept your plucked out of the air estimate) other planets in the universe the odds didn't work out and no-one is there wondering why not.
Given an infinite universe every possible outcome will occur - not a miracle but a statistical certainty.
Oh no, if evolution is true, its nothing short of a miracle. Strange to me, evolution breaks all known laws to bring life into existence, only to try and then create those laws. Break all known laws in order to create those laws. Makes no sense to me.
Given an infinite universe every possible outcome will occur - not a miracle but a statistical certainty.
Oh no, if evolution is true, its nothing short of a miracle. Strange to me, evolution breaks all known laws to bring life into existence, only to try and then create those laws. Break all known laws in order to create those laws. Makes no sense to me.
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Mickiel;1367046 wrote: Oh no, if evolution is true, its nothing short of a miracle. Strange to me, evolution breaks all known laws to bring life into existence, only to try and then create those laws. Break all known laws in order to create those laws. Makes no sense to me.
In what way is it a miracle?
What laws does evolution break?
I have offered you a line of reasoning that dispenses with your statistical dismissal of evolution, you come back with an unsupported restatement of your point of view and an assertion that evolution breaks all known laws. Would you care to give some reasoning to support your point of view or to back up you assertion or are we meant to accept them as God given?
In what way is it a miracle?
What laws does evolution break?
I have offered you a line of reasoning that dispenses with your statistical dismissal of evolution, you come back with an unsupported restatement of your point of view and an assertion that evolution breaks all known laws. Would you care to give some reasoning to support your point of view or to back up you assertion or are we meant to accept them as God given?
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Evolution breaks all the laws of Conservation. It breaks the law of Biogenesis. It breaks the law of Entrophy. It breaks the Cosmological law. It breaks the laws of Physics. And breaks the law of Irreducible Complexity. And it certainly breaks all the laws of Consciousness. It breaks the laws of reality itself. It most defintely breaks all the laws of Motion. And the list goes on and on. And nothing I say is God given, I speak only for myself.
How is evolution a miracle? Goodness, I have already explained that several times, all in this post. Just go back and read it.
How is evolution a miracle? Goodness, I have already explained that several times, all in this post. Just go back and read it.
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Mickiel;1367089 wrote: Evolution breaks all the laws of Conservation. It breaks the law of Biogenesis. It breaks the law of Entrophy. It breaks the Cosmological law. It breaks the laws of Physics. And breaks the law of Irreducible Complexity. And it certainly breaks all the laws of Consciousness. It breaks the laws of reality itself. It most defintely breaks all the laws of Motion. And the list goes on and on. And nothing I say is God given, I speak only for myself.
How is evolution a miracle? Goodness, I have already explained that several times, all in this post. Just go back and read it.
Go on, state those laws one by one and we'll go through them. I've never heard of most of them so I'll not guess what they say.
As for why evolution is not a miracle, I've already explained that a few posts ago, just go back and read it.
How is evolution a miracle? Goodness, I have already explained that several times, all in this post. Just go back and read it.
Go on, state those laws one by one and we'll go through them. I've never heard of most of them so I'll not guess what they say.
As for why evolution is not a miracle, I've already explained that a few posts ago, just go back and read it.
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Bryn Mawr;1367114 wrote: Go on, state those laws one by one and we'll go through them. I've never heard of most of them so I'll not guess what they say.
As for why evolution is not a miracle, I've already explained that a few posts ago, just go back and read it.
Go find and study the laws for yourself, I have been exposed to Bryn Mawr cynicism before, and know how much of a brick wall it can be.
Is God real? Well one simple thing you can do; go outside, get by some water if you can; breathe in a long breath of fresh air, then exhale. Notice how the air and your lungs are a perfect match, they were " Made" for each other. Simple proof of God. As large as the earth is, when God designed it, he had the lungs of humans in mind. The earth was literally made for us, to suit us. It is impossible for evolution to self design and create all the right conditions for humans to live on earth.
As for why evolution is not a miracle, I've already explained that a few posts ago, just go back and read it.
Go find and study the laws for yourself, I have been exposed to Bryn Mawr cynicism before, and know how much of a brick wall it can be.
Is God real? Well one simple thing you can do; go outside, get by some water if you can; breathe in a long breath of fresh air, then exhale. Notice how the air and your lungs are a perfect match, they were " Made" for each other. Simple proof of God. As large as the earth is, when God designed it, he had the lungs of humans in mind. The earth was literally made for us, to suit us. It is impossible for evolution to self design and create all the right conditions for humans to live on earth.
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if people believe God is real, then in their minds yes, he is real.
There are hundreds of religions around the world and every one of their Gods are as real as they beleive that they are.
There are hundreds of religions around the world and every one of their Gods are as real as they beleive that they are.
Is God Real?
mikeinie;1367189 wrote: if people believe God is real, then in their minds yes, he is real.
There are hundreds of religions around the world and every one of their Gods are as real as they beleive that they are.
Well yes, I agree. To deal with the concept of believing in a God, the God should be real to the individual, or the belief is plastic. Simular to believing in yourself; are you real? Are you alive, are you conscious? Most people can say yes to all of those things about themselves with confidence. But can you believe in your God with just as much or more confidence? So belief in a God must be rehearsed daily, proven daily, investigated daily. As much proof as you can add on; pile on, the better the belief is reinforced and strengthened.
There are hundreds of religions around the world and every one of their Gods are as real as they beleive that they are.
Well yes, I agree. To deal with the concept of believing in a God, the God should be real to the individual, or the belief is plastic. Simular to believing in yourself; are you real? Are you alive, are you conscious? Most people can say yes to all of those things about themselves with confidence. But can you believe in your God with just as much or more confidence? So belief in a God must be rehearsed daily, proven daily, investigated daily. As much proof as you can add on; pile on, the better the belief is reinforced and strengthened.
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Sooooo, how do we know when to believe something is real and something is not, that tiny green creature Joe down the street says gets in to his shed and starts his lawn mower at night is that real? Joe certainly believes it is, he points to what he believes are misplaced leaves and scratches at his door and green stains on the boards of his shed as proof. How do we know when what a believe to be true is real and what is not, or if we believe something whole heartedly with all our conviction will it them become real? A lot of little kids whole-heartedly believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, ect.., how do we then as adults know those are not real?
If I want to believe fake is real and do what I believe is rehearse, prove, investigate, the proof that fake is real everyday can I then say fake is real, at that point then I can say real is fake so I can then say god is fake, or your fake or I am fake or gravity is fake, but if i know real is fake and fake is real then they are all real too are they not?
If I want to believe fake is real and do what I believe is rehearse, prove, investigate, the proof that fake is real everyday can I then say fake is real, at that point then I can say real is fake so I can then say god is fake, or your fake or I am fake or gravity is fake, but if i know real is fake and fake is real then they are all real too are they not?
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littleCJelkton;1367201 wrote: Sooooo, how do we know when to believe something is real and something is not, that tiny green creature Joe down the street says gets in to his shed and starts his lawn mower at night is that real? Joe certainly believes it is, he points to what he believes are misplaced leaves and scratches at his door and green stains on the boards of his shed as proof. How do we know when what a believe to be true is real and what is not, or if we believe something whole heartedly with all our conviction will it them become real? A lot of little kids whole-heartedly believe in Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, ect.., how do we then as adults know those are not real?
If I want to believe fake is real and do what I believe is rehearse, prove, investigate, the proof that fake is real everyday can I then say fake is real, at that point then I can say real is fake so I can then say god is fake, or your fake or I am fake or gravity is fake, but if i know real is fake and fake is real then they are all real too are they not?
Sometimes I wonder why certain people even take the time to bother asking me questions, when they are already against how I think. But anyhow, it is how it is; The question of how do we know if something is real, should be the beginning of your search. One of the reasons for your search, and I think a search for is God real, should be a lifelong search; a daily thing, because its a big thing to take on, but one reason to search is to find; or find out. The intermixing of the human mind with fables and fantasy as you try to determine whats real is confusing, I would simply stick to the facts. You determine if God is real by sticking to the facts.
Its a fact that life can only come from life; thats just a die hard fact that no science or fable can ever change. This can lead a conscious thought to God being real. It makes more sense that a God began the life in our universe, after planning it, than our universe generated its own life without the power to do so, or a timetable in doing so. This is another way to determine if God is real, power. Evolutionist like to think that our universe generated itself, and yet it didnot have the power to do so. Even the fake fable characther must have the power to become real in reality, or it remains a fake in reality.
I don't believe any life created itself, BECAUSE I have never seen proof of that. Science cannot prove that a simple bug created itself, muchless humanity. There are no examples of life creating itself with reproductive ability, absolutely none! That is a way to prove God is real to yourself, science. Science is an excellent way to prove God is real, its really helped my view.
Another way to understand God is real is comming to grips with who or what is really behind " Transition Periods." God or nature, your mind has to cross that threshold and settle the difference. Who discontinued dinasours and primordal man, God or nature? In my view, only a God could wipe out a whole race of animals and men, and then replace them, I don't see nature doing that correctly. It explains God to me, he was behind that.
Another way to comprehend that God is real is " Power", it took power for all this to come into being, don't fool yourself; we couldnot have come from anything lesser than ourselves. Power with a plan and direction. Put it this way; Power needs direction, and comes from a direction. If nature is a power by itself, then it will eventually destroy itself. A power by itself without intelligence, will destroy itself, power needs direction.
And it makes sense that God is the power behind our reality, directing it.
If I want to believe fake is real and do what I believe is rehearse, prove, investigate, the proof that fake is real everyday can I then say fake is real, at that point then I can say real is fake so I can then say god is fake, or your fake or I am fake or gravity is fake, but if i know real is fake and fake is real then they are all real too are they not?
Sometimes I wonder why certain people even take the time to bother asking me questions, when they are already against how I think. But anyhow, it is how it is; The question of how do we know if something is real, should be the beginning of your search. One of the reasons for your search, and I think a search for is God real, should be a lifelong search; a daily thing, because its a big thing to take on, but one reason to search is to find; or find out. The intermixing of the human mind with fables and fantasy as you try to determine whats real is confusing, I would simply stick to the facts. You determine if God is real by sticking to the facts.
Its a fact that life can only come from life; thats just a die hard fact that no science or fable can ever change. This can lead a conscious thought to God being real. It makes more sense that a God began the life in our universe, after planning it, than our universe generated its own life without the power to do so, or a timetable in doing so. This is another way to determine if God is real, power. Evolutionist like to think that our universe generated itself, and yet it didnot have the power to do so. Even the fake fable characther must have the power to become real in reality, or it remains a fake in reality.
I don't believe any life created itself, BECAUSE I have never seen proof of that. Science cannot prove that a simple bug created itself, muchless humanity. There are no examples of life creating itself with reproductive ability, absolutely none! That is a way to prove God is real to yourself, science. Science is an excellent way to prove God is real, its really helped my view.
Another way to understand God is real is comming to grips with who or what is really behind " Transition Periods." God or nature, your mind has to cross that threshold and settle the difference. Who discontinued dinasours and primordal man, God or nature? In my view, only a God could wipe out a whole race of animals and men, and then replace them, I don't see nature doing that correctly. It explains God to me, he was behind that.
Another way to comprehend that God is real is " Power", it took power for all this to come into being, don't fool yourself; we couldnot have come from anything lesser than ourselves. Power with a plan and direction. Put it this way; Power needs direction, and comes from a direction. If nature is a power by itself, then it will eventually destroy itself. A power by itself without intelligence, will destroy itself, power needs direction.
And it makes sense that God is the power behind our reality, directing it.
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Mickiel;1367219 wrote: Sometimes I wonder why certain people even take the time to bother asking me questions, when they are already against how I think. But anyhow, it is how it is; The question of how do we know if something is real, should be the beginning of your search. One of the reasons for your search, and I think a search for is God real, should be a lifelong search; a daily thing, because its a big thing to take on, but one reason to search is to find; or find out. The intermixing of the human mind with fables and fantasy as you try to determine whats real is confusing, I would simply stick to the facts. You determine if God is real by sticking to the facts.
Its a fact that life can only come from life; thats just a die hard fact that no science or fable can ever change. This can lead a conscious thought to God being real. It makes more sense that a God began the life in our universe, after planning it, than our universe generated its own life without the power to do so, or a timetable in doing so. This is another way to determine if God is real, power. Evolutionist like to think that our universe generated itself, and yet it didnot have the power to do so. Even the fake fable characther must have the power to become real in reality, or it remains a fake in reality.
I don't believe any life created itself, BECAUSE I have never seen proof of that. Science cannot prove that a simple bug created itself, muchless humanity. There are no examples of life creating itself with reproductive ability, absolutely none! That is a way to prove God is real to yourself, science. Science is an excellent way to prove God is real, its really helped my view.
Another way to understand God is real is comming to grips with who or what is really behind " Transition Periods." God or nature, your mind has to cross that threshold and settle the difference. Who discontinued dinasours and primordal man, God or nature? In my view, only a God could wipe out a whole race of animals and men, and then replace them, I don't see nature doing that correctly. It explains God to me, he was behind that.
Another way to comprehend that God is real is " Power", it took power for all this to come into being, don't fool yourself; we couldnot have come from anything lesser than ourselves. Power with a plan and direction. Put it this way; Power needs direction, and comes from a direction. If nature is a power by itself, then it will eventually destroy itself. A power by itself without intelligence, will destroy itself, power needs direction.
And it makes sense that God is the power behind our reality, directing it.
So not only do you in your belief have to undertstand that god is real but also that God has life, so now not only are we at real = fake but real = life. Which goes against what your saying life doesn't come from anything else than other life if were defining real = life then we could say that the rocks are real the trees are real earth is real Jupiter is real, at least I believe so though again were saying fake is real so there consequently also not real so in point that is proof that they can produce life. I get it now,
Real = Fake
Life = Real but only when Real = Fake
thus Fake = Life and when Fake = Life, Real = God
Its a fact that life can only come from life; thats just a die hard fact that no science or fable can ever change. This can lead a conscious thought to God being real. It makes more sense that a God began the life in our universe, after planning it, than our universe generated its own life without the power to do so, or a timetable in doing so. This is another way to determine if God is real, power. Evolutionist like to think that our universe generated itself, and yet it didnot have the power to do so. Even the fake fable characther must have the power to become real in reality, or it remains a fake in reality.
I don't believe any life created itself, BECAUSE I have never seen proof of that. Science cannot prove that a simple bug created itself, muchless humanity. There are no examples of life creating itself with reproductive ability, absolutely none! That is a way to prove God is real to yourself, science. Science is an excellent way to prove God is real, its really helped my view.
Another way to understand God is real is comming to grips with who or what is really behind " Transition Periods." God or nature, your mind has to cross that threshold and settle the difference. Who discontinued dinasours and primordal man, God or nature? In my view, only a God could wipe out a whole race of animals and men, and then replace them, I don't see nature doing that correctly. It explains God to me, he was behind that.
Another way to comprehend that God is real is " Power", it took power for all this to come into being, don't fool yourself; we couldnot have come from anything lesser than ourselves. Power with a plan and direction. Put it this way; Power needs direction, and comes from a direction. If nature is a power by itself, then it will eventually destroy itself. A power by itself without intelligence, will destroy itself, power needs direction.
And it makes sense that God is the power behind our reality, directing it.
So not only do you in your belief have to undertstand that god is real but also that God has life, so now not only are we at real = fake but real = life. Which goes against what your saying life doesn't come from anything else than other life if were defining real = life then we could say that the rocks are real the trees are real earth is real Jupiter is real, at least I believe so though again were saying fake is real so there consequently also not real so in point that is proof that they can produce life. I get it now,
Real = Fake
Life = Real but only when Real = Fake
thus Fake = Life and when Fake = Life, Real = God
Is God Real?
Is God real? Oh what a question.
Set your mind to finding and answer, and do that by keeping it something that you are doing for yourself, your own curosity. Keep it personal and study on it some everyday.
Set your mind to finding and answer, and do that by keeping it something that you are doing for yourself, your own curosity. Keep it personal and study on it some everyday.
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Mickiel;1367274 wrote: Is God real? Oh what a question.
Oh, Yes it is reminds me a lot of another Monty Python dialog
King Arthur: I am your king.
Peasant Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Peasant Woman: Well, how'd you become king, then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.
Dennis the Peasant: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis the Peasant: You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
The New Line should start
Prophet: Why is this bush on fire?
God: I am God
Prophet: What the bush talks? And who made you God? I definitely don't want no burning talking bush as my god. Maybe your something I ate giving me delusions
God: be quiet I need you to take these commandments down to your people.
Oh, Yes it is reminds me a lot of another Monty Python dialog
King Arthur: I am your king.
Peasant Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Peasant Woman: Well, how'd you become king, then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.
Dennis the Peasant: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis the Peasant: You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
The New Line should start
Prophet: Why is this bush on fire?
God: I am God
Prophet: What the bush talks? And who made you God? I definitely don't want no burning talking bush as my god. Maybe your something I ate giving me delusions
God: be quiet I need you to take these commandments down to your people.
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Mickiel;1367274 wrote: Is God real? Oh what a question.
Yeah as south park so wonderfully puts "Just because it's imaginary doesn't mean it isn't real."
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ng-machine
Yeah as south park so wonderfully puts "Just because it's imaginary doesn't mean it isn't real."
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1 ... ng-machine
Is God Real?
Is God real? Well, in human history, literally all civilizations have posted in their history belief in gods. To believe in somethingelse non human is historical, no doubt about that. Its common, its moreso uncommon to not believe God is real. So you find out if God is real by searching history, and Archaeology.
And you will find him there.
And you will find him there.
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You know, in order for anythingelse to be real, I believe God has to be real. I have said this in another post, but reality NEEDS to have a one constant power in reality, for all other things to exist. One constant continuim for us to have orgin in. One constant power, for all other powers to take their orgin from. One constant life, for all other lifeforms to spring from. One constant thread to hold all other realitys together. And to me, that explains God being real, something has to hold all this together.
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Yes in order to be real it must be in reality in order to be blue it must have green and yellow. I can hold up a napkin and say it is a paper towel, but it is not its a napkin. You can call a napkin a paper towel. But it is a napkin. Why? Because it is what it is. Right? You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change the character of what it is.
Is God Real?
In my view of thinking, in order for things to be made, there has to be a maker; that maker is God, whats made is proof that he is real. The only alternitive is that things made themselves, thats fantasy in my view. I keep going back to consciousness because of its complexity, and its inability to have created itself from chemicals which created themselves over time from a vast nebulous nothing. God created human consciousness, the alternitive is a nightmare of confusion. God is raw material mental creation, without which nothing could be. The raw materials of the universe had no " Shelf life", no power to themselves, no power to produce themselves, with creation we can know that humans didnot crawl out from under a rock of miracle matter and say hello to reproductive life.
In Consciousness we can know God is real, or reality; Reality takes its shelf life from God, as does this temporary universe. A mind with morality cannot be evolved from a pool of firecracker chemicals which had no mind to create anything, muchless things more complex than itself. Evolution does not have the power or intelligent inclination to form planets with ample distance between them, and set the sun where it is in relation to earth. Evolution is not a conscious thing, and couldnot create conscious things; evolution couldnot fashion the earth with suitable air for human lungs to breathe, muchless create the human lung, a perfect match for earths atmosphere. Nor could it perfectly rotate the earth on its axis with perfect timming, and substain that rotation;
Thats just too much to ask of this " Lazy theory".
In Consciousness we can know God is real, or reality; Reality takes its shelf life from God, as does this temporary universe. A mind with morality cannot be evolved from a pool of firecracker chemicals which had no mind to create anything, muchless things more complex than itself. Evolution does not have the power or intelligent inclination to form planets with ample distance between them, and set the sun where it is in relation to earth. Evolution is not a conscious thing, and couldnot create conscious things; evolution couldnot fashion the earth with suitable air for human lungs to breathe, muchless create the human lung, a perfect match for earths atmosphere. Nor could it perfectly rotate the earth on its axis with perfect timming, and substain that rotation;
Thats just too much to ask of this " Lazy theory".
Is God Real?
Also in " memory" we can know God is real. Evolution couldnot develop an ant, or an antelope, yet it claims it developed a human; incredible assumption- which is really a belief in miracles and a great leap of " Faith." Anyone who tells me that the theory of evolution has nothing to do with faith and miracles, I certainly would disagree with that. The real orgin of faith and miracles is God; remember that! And as you excercise your memory, ask yourself how random selection could possibly develop memory in a conscious mind? Which part of the brain did it develop first? One part by one over the years, as the human remained dumbfounded unitl nature was finished with him; or all at once, which would be another miracle; and then just " Turn memory on."
No, God is the feared subsitute of evolution.
No, God is the feared subsitute of evolution.
Is God Real?
Another way we can know God is real is " Personality in humans." Was it personality created, or personality evolving over time by random chance? Personality is defintely indiviualistic; singular. A sensation of self, and extension of self consciousness that is internal but expresses itself externally. It is the living characther of a human being. Now ask yourself; if evolution created personality- how did it do it? Only in example, lets just say that man somehow evolved from an ape; now, over I don't care how many years, how could consciousness slowly create itself in the human? And in addition, how could that newly developed consciousness then create in itself a personality? Evolution is trying to " steal Gods creative talents and accredit them to itself." But I keep saying that its not great enough to do that.
Personality is not a static thing, its a marvel and a design for sure. It is too complex to be reduced to evolution over time. Personality is not the sum of evolution over time, it is the sum of charactherictics that consititute an individuals gift of consciousness from God.
Personality is not a static thing, its a marvel and a design for sure. It is too complex to be reduced to evolution over time. Personality is not the sum of evolution over time, it is the sum of charactherictics that consititute an individuals gift of consciousness from God.
Is God Real?
Another way we can know God is real, is " Design." Now I know design means to form and conceive in the mind, to create in the consciousness. Where is evolution in that, evolution has no mind, no consciousness to form and plan ; its only a powerless theory. Design needs artistic and skillful preperation, when did evolution get that?
Will you think with me?
Design is plan and purpose, which has designer written all over it, easily leading to the existence of a God designer. Its all about preconceived purpose. How can a man made theory of natural selection have preconceived purpose? Its impossible to try and give evolution a preconceived, well thoughtout purpose, because evolution has no consciousness. And you can't treat it as if it does.
But God has a creative consciousness, AND the power to fulfill all of his plans, in this we can know God is real.
Will you think with me?
Design is plan and purpose, which has designer written all over it, easily leading to the existence of a God designer. Its all about preconceived purpose. How can a man made theory of natural selection have preconceived purpose? Its impossible to try and give evolution a preconceived, well thoughtout purpose, because evolution has no consciousness. And you can't treat it as if it does.
But God has a creative consciousness, AND the power to fulfill all of his plans, in this we can know God is real.
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So it this is more of a spam of what you believe, rather than a discussion I shall follow the lead and post some wise quotes I believe, I am don't believe there any proof in the life=real real=fake life=fake real=god stuff you believe, but I doubt that matters as I believe this thread isn't about what collectively we can say with absoluteness is real, but is more about what I personally believe is real, or you believe personally is real, or Scrat believes personally, or Ahso, or Spot, or anyoneelse
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littleCJelkton
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Difficult can be done Immediately
Impossible takes just a little longer
I believe this is relevant to this thread as we are throwing our beliefs of how real=fake around and it talks about making the impossible done, but I don't believe the purpose of the thread was to make you think you can make real=fake just that the really hard things in life take a little longer time to accopmlish.
Impossible takes just a little longer
I believe this is relevant to this thread as we are throwing our beliefs of how real=fake around and it talks about making the impossible done, but I don't believe the purpose of the thread was to make you think you can make real=fake just that the really hard things in life take a little longer time to accopmlish.
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littleCJelkton
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The Foolish and the dead alone do not change their opinion
I believe this is relevant to the thread as instead of taking a spam my opinion because it won't change approach we should discuss, debate, the facts and real evidence, to form our opinions that way others can measure their opinions against the facts and decide whether or not to change them.
I believe this is relevant to the thread as instead of taking a spam my opinion because it won't change approach we should discuss, debate, the facts and real evidence, to form our opinions that way others can measure their opinions against the facts and decide whether or not to change them.
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littleCJelkton
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The problem today is we have a surplus of simple answers and a shortage of simple questions.
I think this is all over this thread as repeatedly I see attempts to answer amazingly complex questions like the reality of god and/or the universe with what I believe are simple answers. Though this problem can also pertain to our governmental, and economical, questions and answers as well. Not just here on FG but everywhere I believe.
I think this is all over this thread as repeatedly I see attempts to answer amazingly complex questions like the reality of god and/or the universe with what I believe are simple answers. Though this problem can also pertain to our governmental, and economical, questions and answers as well. Not just here on FG but everywhere I believe.
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littleCJelkton
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Emotion is what makes the world go round, but Common Sense is what keeps it from going to fast
I believe this rings true on this thread and others I have been on here, as some topics bring up some highly emotional responses from some posters but when more often than not what makes the most common sense is agreed upon to some degree.
I believe this rings true on this thread and others I have been on here, as some topics bring up some highly emotional responses from some posters but when more often than not what makes the most common sense is agreed upon to some degree.
Is God Real?
Is God real? Well I think " The Numbers" should help you figure it out. " Worship" is one way to know. God is worshipped by more human beings than any other deity. There has been more books written on God than anyother particular characther in human history. There are more religions in Gods name than any other deity. More art has been invested in depicting God than any other characther. More bibles are being used ( and not used, but on the shelf) than any other book in history. This book on God is being used to swear in Presidents, people in courtrooms, and sitting in hotel rooms as a curtesy, no other book has these honors.
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littleCJelkton
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On the subject of numbers
I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like
and like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve
I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like
and like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve
Is God Real?
Is God real? well in order to prove God to yourself, you have to free your consciousness as much as you possibly can. In order to better understand a free being such as God, if your mind is free, it helps. Rid yourself of all preconceived notions, and start examining the facts from scratch. There will be oppisition to your search, but they are mostly external. You can even make a personal appeal to God himself, that you would honestly like to know if he is real. And thats important; Honesty, be honest in your search.
Is God Real?
Mickiel;1367143 wrote: Go find and study the laws for yourself, I have been exposed to Bryn Mawr cynicism before, and know how much of a brick wall it can be.
Is God real? Well one simple thing you can do; go outside, get by some water if you can; breathe in a long breath of fresh air, then exhale. Notice how the air and your lungs are a perfect match, they were " Made" for each other. Simple proof of God. As large as the earth is, when God designed it, he had the lungs of humans in mind. The earth was literally made for us, to suit us. It is impossible for evolution to self design and create all the right conditions for humans to live on earth.
It's a brick wall because it is based on logic and you cannot find any holes in it.
You've named a set of laws that (bar one) I've never heard of and, as far as I know, (bar one) don't exist.
The bar one was, in case you're interested, the law of irreducible complexity. You've already said what that one is and I've already shown that it is totally inappropriate to evolution because evolution did not start from the complex and need to be reduced, it started from the simple and grew more complex - a far different proposition.
Is God real? Well one simple thing you can do; go outside, get by some water if you can; breathe in a long breath of fresh air, then exhale. Notice how the air and your lungs are a perfect match, they were " Made" for each other. Simple proof of God. As large as the earth is, when God designed it, he had the lungs of humans in mind. The earth was literally made for us, to suit us. It is impossible for evolution to self design and create all the right conditions for humans to live on earth.
It's a brick wall because it is based on logic and you cannot find any holes in it.
You've named a set of laws that (bar one) I've never heard of and, as far as I know, (bar one) don't exist.
The bar one was, in case you're interested, the law of irreducible complexity. You've already said what that one is and I've already shown that it is totally inappropriate to evolution because evolution did not start from the complex and need to be reduced, it started from the simple and grew more complex - a far different proposition.
Is God Real?
Bryn Mawr;1367524 wrote: It's a brick wall because it is based on logic and you cannot find any holes in it.
You've named a set of laws that (bar one) I've never heard of and, as far as I know, (bar one) don't exist.
The bar one was, in case you're interested, the law of irreducible complexity. You've already said what that one is and I've already shown that it is totally inappropriate to evolution because evolution did not start from the complex and need to be reduced, it started from the simple and grew more complex - a far different proposition.
I am not looking for holes in your arguements, I am just not interested in them, or the spirit behind them.
You have shown what about me is inappropriate, so go in peace.
Is God real? Well one way we can know is to use the spirit in man that he gave us, in order to find out. The spirit of life in every man; use that to search if God is real. It is better to use the things of God, in order to search if God is real. Use your Consciousness.
You've named a set of laws that (bar one) I've never heard of and, as far as I know, (bar one) don't exist.
The bar one was, in case you're interested, the law of irreducible complexity. You've already said what that one is and I've already shown that it is totally inappropriate to evolution because evolution did not start from the complex and need to be reduced, it started from the simple and grew more complex - a far different proposition.
I am not looking for holes in your arguements, I am just not interested in them, or the spirit behind them.
You have shown what about me is inappropriate, so go in peace.
Is God real? Well one way we can know is to use the spirit in man that he gave us, in order to find out. The spirit of life in every man; use that to search if God is real. It is better to use the things of God, in order to search if God is real. Use your Consciousness.
Is God Real?
Is God real? Well you can look at the awesome power of Gravity. Again this is the real formula; only great power can create great power. When we see gravity, we see the evidence of great power. Gravity keeps whole clusters of stars from running into each other. Only a God could accomplish such a thing. Evolutionist like to think that this was accomplished by the planets themselves. They created themselves, and then they created gravity to keep from running into each other.
Is God Real?
Is God real? We'd better hope he is. Hope in the reality of him. We can know God is real by examining a simple single DNA molecule. It contains as much information as a whole volume of encyclopedias. That is incredible and a stunning example of awesome creation. You know something like that is just too complex to have been created by nature. See the purposeful design in complex things like that. It requires a great mind to conceive of such things.
Is God Real?
Mickiel;1367588 wrote: Is God real? Well you can look at the awesome power of Gravity. Again this is the real formula; only great power can create great power. When we see gravity, we see the evidence of great power. Gravity keeps whole clusters of stars from running into each other. Only a God could accomplish such a thing. Evolutionist like to think that this was accomplished by the planets themselves. They created themselves, and then they created gravity to keep from running into each other.
I had decided not to interrupt your monologue any further but this post is just so wrong that it cannot go without reply.
Yes, gravity is a real formula, the force attracting any two masses is proportional to the product of those masses divided by the square of the distance between them, but the rest of the post is totally wrong :-
1) Gravity is a force that attracts, it pulls masses towards each other, it does not "keep whole clusters of stars from running into each other", it does the exact opposite as the photographs in the attached link shows :-
2) The planets do not "do" anything, they did not create themselves
3) Planets do not create gravity nor does gravity keep them apart
Gravity is a part of the universe, if you like, God created gravity to control the motions of the stars and planets that He created.
Gravity came first and the action of gravity created the stars and planets, if you like gravity was God's way of creating the stars and planets.
You obviously believe that gravity exists and is an awesome power. Why limit God by suggesting that He has to sit there and pull and push the planets and stars to where He wants them? Is it not far more reasonable to believe that God created the law of gravity when He created the universe to do the job for Him?
That is all that science says, that there is a law of gravity - it does not say where that law came from.
It is very easy to argue against someone's ideas if you put words into their mouths that they would never utter. It is equally easy to make a point if you invent the facts to support that point.
I had decided not to interrupt your monologue any further but this post is just so wrong that it cannot go without reply.
Yes, gravity is a real formula, the force attracting any two masses is proportional to the product of those masses divided by the square of the distance between them, but the rest of the post is totally wrong :-
1) Gravity is a force that attracts, it pulls masses towards each other, it does not "keep whole clusters of stars from running into each other", it does the exact opposite as the photographs in the attached link shows :-
2) The planets do not "do" anything, they did not create themselves
3) Planets do not create gravity nor does gravity keep them apart
Gravity is a part of the universe, if you like, God created gravity to control the motions of the stars and planets that He created.
Gravity came first and the action of gravity created the stars and planets, if you like gravity was God's way of creating the stars and planets.
You obviously believe that gravity exists and is an awesome power. Why limit God by suggesting that He has to sit there and pull and push the planets and stars to where He wants them? Is it not far more reasonable to believe that God created the law of gravity when He created the universe to do the job for Him?
That is all that science says, that there is a law of gravity - it does not say where that law came from.
It is very easy to argue against someone's ideas if you put words into their mouths that they would never utter. It is equally easy to make a point if you invent the facts to support that point.
Is God Real?
Is God real?
Possibly. Depends on one's definition of God. (I stay away from discussions of what's real.)
Is belief in God and evolution mutually exclusive?
Not in my book.
Possibly. Depends on one's definition of God. (I stay away from discussions of what's real.)
Is belief in God and evolution mutually exclusive?
Not in my book.
Is God Real?
eraser;1367624 wrote: Is God real?
Possibly. Depends on one's definition of God. (I stay away from discussions of what's real.)
Is belief in God and evolution mutually exclusive?
Not in my book.
Not in my book either. The theory of evolution has countless holes in it, thats why its co-founder, Alfred Russell Wallace, recanted on it.
Possibly. Depends on one's definition of God. (I stay away from discussions of what's real.)
Is belief in God and evolution mutually exclusive?
Not in my book.
Not in my book either. The theory of evolution has countless holes in it, thats why its co-founder, Alfred Russell Wallace, recanted on it.
Is God Real?
Bryn Mawr;1367623 wrote: I had decided not to interrupt your monologue any further but this post is just so wrong that it cannot go without reply.
Yes, gravity is a real formula, the force attracting any two masses is proportional to the product of those masses divided by the square of the distance between them, but the rest of the post is totally wrong :-
1) Gravity is a force that attracts, it pulls masses towards each other, it does not "keep whole clusters of stars from running into each other", it does the exact opposite as the photographs in the attached link shows :-
2) The planets do not "do" anything, they did not create themselves
3) Planets do not create gravity nor does gravity keep them apart
Gravity is a part of the universe, if you like, God created gravity to control the motions of the stars and planets that He created.
Gravity came first and the action of gravity created the stars and planets, if you like gravity was God's way of creating the stars and planets.
You obviously believe that gravity exists and is an awesome power. Why limit God by suggesting that He has to sit there and pull and push the planets and stars to where He wants them? Is it not far more reasonable to believe that God created the law of gravity when He created the universe to do the job for Him?
That is all that science says, that there is a law of gravity - it does not say where that law came from.
It is very easy to argue against someone's ideas if you put words into their mouths that they would never utter. It is equally easy to make a point if you invent the facts to support that point.
Thank you for your contribution.
Yes, gravity is a real formula, the force attracting any two masses is proportional to the product of those masses divided by the square of the distance between them, but the rest of the post is totally wrong :-
1) Gravity is a force that attracts, it pulls masses towards each other, it does not "keep whole clusters of stars from running into each other", it does the exact opposite as the photographs in the attached link shows :-
2) The planets do not "do" anything, they did not create themselves
3) Planets do not create gravity nor does gravity keep them apart
Gravity is a part of the universe, if you like, God created gravity to control the motions of the stars and planets that He created.
Gravity came first and the action of gravity created the stars and planets, if you like gravity was God's way of creating the stars and planets.
You obviously believe that gravity exists and is an awesome power. Why limit God by suggesting that He has to sit there and pull and push the planets and stars to where He wants them? Is it not far more reasonable to believe that God created the law of gravity when He created the universe to do the job for Him?
That is all that science says, that there is a law of gravity - it does not say where that law came from.
It is very easy to argue against someone's ideas if you put words into their mouths that they would never utter. It is equally easy to make a point if you invent the facts to support that point.
Thank you for your contribution.
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Is God Real?
This is the face of the biblical god. A barbaric, merciless murderer of men, women and children and a racist too. Not only in the past but in the future as well. I want no part of such a deity.
"And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes..." (I Chronicles 20:3
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)
"And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers" (Judges 8:7)
"Now Zebah and Zalmunna were Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of all the hosts of the children of the east: for there fell an hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword." (Judges 8:10)
"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." (Numbers 16:32-35)
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
"Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel..." (I Chronicles 21:12)
"So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men." (I Chronicles 21:14)
"And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)
So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)
"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." (Psalms 68:21-23)
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
"Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died." (Judges 4:21)
"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)
"And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made the man." (Genesis 9:5-6)
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." (Deuteronomy 2:34)
"And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves." (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)
"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." (Revelation 7:3-4)
"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." (Revelation 9:3-4)
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads." (Revelation 14:1)
"...the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins." (Revelation 14:3-4)
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place." (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)
"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10
"And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes..." (I Chronicles 20:3
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)
"And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness and with briers" (Judges 8:7)
"Now Zebah and Zalmunna were Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of all the hosts of the children of the east: for there fell an hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword." (Judges 8:10)
"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." (Numbers 16:32-35)
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
"Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel..." (I Chronicles 21:12)
"So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men." (I Chronicles 21:14)
"And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)
So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)
"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." (Psalms 68:21-23)
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)
"Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died." (Judges 4:21)
"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)
"And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made the man." (Genesis 9:5-6)
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain." (Deuteronomy 2:34)
"And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves." (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)
"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel." (Revelation 7:3-4)
"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads." (Revelation 9:3-4)
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads." (Revelation 14:1)
"...the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins." (Revelation 14:3-4)
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place." (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)
"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10
"…I hate how I don’t feel real enough unless people are watching." — Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters
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jones jones;1367671 wrote: This is the face of the biblical god. A barbaric, merciless murderer of men, women and children and a racist too. Not only in the past but in the future as well. I want no part of such a deity.
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Well I certainly would like to have a part of God, thats for sure, his deity is simply misunderstood. I think its the deal of the century, to be killed by God in this temporary life, and be ressurected by him and freely given eternal life. Its just academic, the killing of humans by God is meaningless, when one understands what God will do with the dead humans; their incredible future with him. But some Atheist need something to harp on God about, the killing of humans by a life giver, is a meaningless criticism, full of simple lack of vision. They don't know what God is going to do with the dead. Death is absolutely meaningless to God, nor does " How a human dies", mean anything to him.
Yet this is simply another proof of God, the raw emotions he causes in humanity. No one stirs human emotion like the subject of God. It is the most meaningful topic on earth, thats why many Atheist can't stay away from it; Its too attractive to them; It stirs them like nothingelse; And by this, using Atheism itself, we can know that God is real.
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Well I certainly would like to have a part of God, thats for sure, his deity is simply misunderstood. I think its the deal of the century, to be killed by God in this temporary life, and be ressurected by him and freely given eternal life. Its just academic, the killing of humans by God is meaningless, when one understands what God will do with the dead humans; their incredible future with him. But some Atheist need something to harp on God about, the killing of humans by a life giver, is a meaningless criticism, full of simple lack of vision. They don't know what God is going to do with the dead. Death is absolutely meaningless to God, nor does " How a human dies", mean anything to him.
Yet this is simply another proof of God, the raw emotions he causes in humanity. No one stirs human emotion like the subject of God. It is the most meaningful topic on earth, thats why many Atheist can't stay away from it; Its too attractive to them; It stirs them like nothingelse; And by this, using Atheism itself, we can know that God is real.
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Mickiel;1367675 wrote: Well I certainly would like to have a part of God, thats for sure, his deity is simply misunderstood. I think its the deal of the century, to be killed by God in this temporary life, and be ressurected by him and freely given eternal life. Its just academic, the killing of humans by God is meaningless, when one understands what God will do with the dead humans; their incredible future with him. But some Atheist need something to harp on God about, the killing of humans by a life giver, is a meaningless criticism, full of simple lack of vision. They don't know what God is going to do with the dead. Death is absolutely meaningless to God, nor does " How a human dies", mean anything to him.
Yet this is simply another proof of God, the raw emotions he causes in humanity. No one stirs human emotion like the subject of God. It is the most meaningful topic on earth, thats why many Atheist can't stay away from it; Its too attractive to them; It stirs them like nothingelse; And by this, using Atheism itself, we can know that God is real.
Death is absolutely meaningless to God, nor does " How a human dies", mean anything to him.
Well I guess that answers my next question ... "Where was the biblical god during Auschwitz?"
They were his creation, his chosen people so I suppose they were told of the "incredible future" they would have with him when they died. But then judging from what I quoted from the bible, he probably quite enjoyed watching the holocast.
Yet this is simply another proof of God, the raw emotions he causes in humanity. No one stirs human emotion like the subject of God. It is the most meaningful topic on earth, thats why many Atheist can't stay away from it; Its too attractive to them; It stirs them like nothingelse; And by this, using Atheism itself, we can know that God is real.
Death is absolutely meaningless to God, nor does " How a human dies", mean anything to him.
Well I guess that answers my next question ... "Where was the biblical god during Auschwitz?"
They were his creation, his chosen people so I suppose they were told of the "incredible future" they would have with him when they died. But then judging from what I quoted from the bible, he probably quite enjoyed watching the holocast.
"…I hate how I don’t feel real enough unless people are watching." — Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters
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jones jones;1367678 wrote: Death is absolutely meaningless to God, nor does " How a human dies", mean anything to him.
Well I guess that answers my next question ... "Where was the biblical god during Auschwitz?"
They were his creation, his chosen people so I suppose they were told of the "incredible future" they would have with him when they died. But then judging from what I quoted from the bible, he probably quite enjoyed watching the holocast.
Where was God, I think he was watching the slaughter, and I certainly don't think he was sad about it. Why should God be sad about humans dying or how they died? Death is meaningless to him, it means absolutely nothing! He killed ALL the humans on earth except one family one time , no holocast can ever even get close to that. And God is going to kill millions again. The reason why killing humans is nothing to him, because he looks at it like " Putting your child to bed, to sleep." And in this world, that often can be interpited as putting you out of misery.
If I take 500 dollars from you, in order to later give you 500 million dollars, who is getting the better part of the deal? You are expressing irritation with God killing humans, or taking away their 500 dollars; and you cannot see him giving them eternal life free, or 500 million dollars. The gift is far greater than the greif. You just don't understand this, so you feed your unbelief with these trivial criticism of a God that plans things simply too wonderful for you to comprehend.
Well I guess that answers my next question ... "Where was the biblical god during Auschwitz?"
They were his creation, his chosen people so I suppose they were told of the "incredible future" they would have with him when they died. But then judging from what I quoted from the bible, he probably quite enjoyed watching the holocast.
Where was God, I think he was watching the slaughter, and I certainly don't think he was sad about it. Why should God be sad about humans dying or how they died? Death is meaningless to him, it means absolutely nothing! He killed ALL the humans on earth except one family one time , no holocast can ever even get close to that. And God is going to kill millions again. The reason why killing humans is nothing to him, because he looks at it like " Putting your child to bed, to sleep." And in this world, that often can be interpited as putting you out of misery.
If I take 500 dollars from you, in order to later give you 500 million dollars, who is getting the better part of the deal? You are expressing irritation with God killing humans, or taking away their 500 dollars; and you cannot see him giving them eternal life free, or 500 million dollars. The gift is far greater than the greif. You just don't understand this, so you feed your unbelief with these trivial criticism of a God that plans things simply too wonderful for you to comprehend.
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Mickiel;1367679 wrote: Where was God, I think he was watching the slaughter, and I certainly don't think he was sad about it. Why should God be sad about humans dying or how they died? Death is meaningless to him, it means absolutely nothing! He killed ALL the humans on earth except one family one time , no holocast can ever even get close to that. And God is going to kill millions again. The reason why killing humans is nothing to him, because he looks at it like " Putting your child to bed, to sleep." And in this world, that often can be interpited as putting you out of misery.
If I take 500 dollars from you, in order to later give you 500 million dollars, who is getting the better part of the deal? You are expressing irritation with God killing humans, or taking away their 500 dollars; and you cannot see him giving them eternal life free, or 500 million dollars. The gift is far greater than the greif. You just don't understand this, so you feed your unbelief with these trivial criticism of a God that plans things simply too wonderful for you to comprehend.
Okay Mickey ... Of course a god is real to every person on earth who believes in such an entity. Expressing your or my opinion about this is our right and guaranteed by the constitution of the country in which we reside ... depending which country we live in of course.
However, it is now obvious to me after reading every post you made in this thread, (yes I read every one), that you are undoubtably in possession of some snippet of information that is only given to certain earthlings.
You must obviously know what happens to us when we die. Why else would you say the things you have said? So far every statement made that is in conflict with your own, you have used as proof of your god's existence.
All I can say is ... Your god so loved the world that he allowed his only begotten son to be crucified for his creation. But at the same time he is not all concerned about how many people die or how they die. Wow, we're so lucky that he loves us. Can you imagine what he'd put us thru if he disliked us?
If I take 500 dollars from you, in order to later give you 500 million dollars, who is getting the better part of the deal? You are expressing irritation with God killing humans, or taking away their 500 dollars; and you cannot see him giving them eternal life free, or 500 million dollars. The gift is far greater than the greif. You just don't understand this, so you feed your unbelief with these trivial criticism of a God that plans things simply too wonderful for you to comprehend.
Okay Mickey ... Of course a god is real to every person on earth who believes in such an entity. Expressing your or my opinion about this is our right and guaranteed by the constitution of the country in which we reside ... depending which country we live in of course.
However, it is now obvious to me after reading every post you made in this thread, (yes I read every one), that you are undoubtably in possession of some snippet of information that is only given to certain earthlings.
You must obviously know what happens to us when we die. Why else would you say the things you have said? So far every statement made that is in conflict with your own, you have used as proof of your god's existence.
All I can say is ... Your god so loved the world that he allowed his only begotten son to be crucified for his creation. But at the same time he is not all concerned about how many people die or how they die. Wow, we're so lucky that he loves us. Can you imagine what he'd put us thru if he disliked us?
"…I hate how I don’t feel real enough unless people are watching." — Chuck Palahniuk, Invisible Monsters
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jones jones;1367682 wrote: However, it is now obvious to me after reading every post you made in this thread, (yes I read every one), that you are undoubtably in possession of some snippet of information that is only given to certain earthlings.
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I am not in possession of no such thing. I don't know God personally, I am not christian, I am not part of any church, and I am not privy to certain information that others are not. I am no different than you. I can read. I get my information from the bible, a dictionary, the internet and a few other books which intrest me. And I form my views from my lifes experiences and those materials I listed.
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I am not in possession of no such thing. I don't know God personally, I am not christian, I am not part of any church, and I am not privy to certain information that others are not. I am no different than you. I can read. I get my information from the bible, a dictionary, the internet and a few other books which intrest me. And I form my views from my lifes experiences and those materials I listed.
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Mickiel;1367686 wrote: I am not in possession of no such thing. I don't know God personally, I am not christian, I am not part of any church, and I am not privy to certain information that others are not. I am no different than you. I can read. I get my information from the bible, a dictionary, the internet and a few other books which intrest me. And I form my views from my lifes experiences and those materials I listed.
Now your just being dishonest again Mickey, you do to have a information only you know and that is that your god is real, but in my opinion your god isn't real my god is and my god is nothing like yours nor is your god anything like Jones's or Ahso's or Snyder's or Spot's or Odie's or Carla's to any of them your god may or may not be real mine probably is not either but theirs is. The point being why your god is real to you and not to me is because only you know what your god is supposed to be like (Compassion, Anger, Jealousy, Kindness, ect..,)
Now your just being dishonest again Mickey, you do to have a information only you know and that is that your god is real, but in my opinion your god isn't real my god is and my god is nothing like yours nor is your god anything like Jones's or Ahso's or Snyder's or Spot's or Odie's or Carla's to any of them your god may or may not be real mine probably is not either but theirs is. The point being why your god is real to you and not to me is because only you know what your god is supposed to be like (Compassion, Anger, Jealousy, Kindness, ect..,)
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littleCJelkton;1367708 wrote: Now your just being dishonest again Mickey, you do to have a information only you know and that is that your god is real, but in my opinion your god isn't real my god is and my god is nothing like yours nor is your god anything like Jones's or Ahso's or Snyder's or Spot's or Odie's or Carla's to any of them your god may or may not be real mine probably is not either but theirs is. The point being why your god is real to you and not to me is because only you know what your god is supposed to be like (Compassion, Anger, Jealousy, Kindness, ect..,)
Now your telling me that I am privy to things you are not,, I totally disagree. I am just as human as you, and those others you seem to think you speak for. I don't have the Spirit of God in me, and I am not part of a "secret spiritual anything", I speak for myself, and think for myself. The things I write are obvious to me, and common sense. I walk alone in my belief; do you see any christians posting on this thread, patting me on the back and trying to make me out of something I am not? No. They know how much I disagree with them; And some Atheist know how much I disagree with them.
I would agree I am a little different in my views, maybe a few of them might be original, but that could be said about many people here.
That being said; Is God real? Well one way we can know is when we can " See God in others." You just know something is in them that is more good than what you are acoustomed to. Their ways and being seem obviously motivated by something " Otherworldly."
Now your telling me that I am privy to things you are not,, I totally disagree. I am just as human as you, and those others you seem to think you speak for. I don't have the Spirit of God in me, and I am not part of a "secret spiritual anything", I speak for myself, and think for myself. The things I write are obvious to me, and common sense. I walk alone in my belief; do you see any christians posting on this thread, patting me on the back and trying to make me out of something I am not? No. They know how much I disagree with them; And some Atheist know how much I disagree with them.
I would agree I am a little different in my views, maybe a few of them might be original, but that could be said about many people here.
That being said; Is God real? Well one way we can know is when we can " See God in others." You just know something is in them that is more good than what you are acoustomed to. Their ways and being seem obviously motivated by something " Otherworldly."
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Mickiel;1367748 wrote: Now your telling me that I am privy to things you are not,, I totally disagree. I am just as human as you, and those others you seem to think you speak for. I don't have the Spirit of God in me, and I am not part of a "secret spiritual anything", I speak for myself, and think for myself. The things I write are obvious to me, and common sense. I walk alone in my belief; do you see any christians posting on this thread, patting me on the back and trying to make me out of something I am not? No. They know how much I disagree with them; And some Atheist know how much I disagree with them.
I would agree I am a little different in my views, maybe a few of them might be original, but that could be said about many people here.
That being said; Is God real? Well one way we can know is when we can " See God in others." You just know something is in them that is more good than what you are acoustomed to. Their ways and being seem obviously motivated by something " Otherworldly."
You are privy to your opinions views and the events in your life have happened to you in that sequence to make you think that God is not real, but it is your god and no one else has the same god as you. Other people will have entirely different views and events thus giving them an entirely different God, some might even find the same apparent blitheness you show for your god in the belief there is no god. For them believing that fake=fake and real=real gives them just as much security in their opinions about life, and the universe as your belief that God=fake God=life life=real real=god.
I would agree I am a little different in my views, maybe a few of them might be original, but that could be said about many people here.
That being said; Is God real? Well one way we can know is when we can " See God in others." You just know something is in them that is more good than what you are acoustomed to. Their ways and being seem obviously motivated by something " Otherworldly."
You are privy to your opinions views and the events in your life have happened to you in that sequence to make you think that God is not real, but it is your god and no one else has the same god as you. Other people will have entirely different views and events thus giving them an entirely different God, some might even find the same apparent blitheness you show for your god in the belief there is no god. For them believing that fake=fake and real=real gives them just as much security in their opinions about life, and the universe as your belief that God=fake God=life life=real real=god.
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The god of the Old Testament (and some of the New) is no more believable an entity than goblins, Zeus, or Santa Claus -- characters invented to instruct, terrorize and reward children -- and above all, to keep them under control.
The sheep metaphor to represent god's "flock" was well-chosen.
The sheep metaphor to represent god's "flock" was well-chosen.
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Well God is real, this much I know. Are there " Other gods?" Well yes there are. One of those, satan, I believe is real. He is called " The god of this earth." All the other gods I believe are fake, or man made. That is my view. A persons God must be real to them, it does not matter to whoelse; I think that should be a personal thing. So it does not matter to me what others think about the God I discern to be real; and it shouldnot matter to them what I think about their deitys. There are people who worship Cows; What do I think of that? It does not matter what I think. But belief in gods has been with humanity for a long time.
In my view, a belief in a god is a definte sign of human consciousness, another reason I believe primordal man had no working consciousness, they had no religions. Besides, I think Apes have always had a brain size flat line all of their existence. So belief in gods, I view as proof of some kind of Godly being as possible in reality. Not to be selfish and say its the God I favor, but to say continuing historical beliefs in gods, tends toward possible evidence that it may be true; for at the least, one of those gods.
In my view, a belief in a god is a definte sign of human consciousness, another reason I believe primordal man had no working consciousness, they had no religions. Besides, I think Apes have always had a brain size flat line all of their existence. So belief in gods, I view as proof of some kind of Godly being as possible in reality. Not to be selfish and say its the God I favor, but to say continuing historical beliefs in gods, tends toward possible evidence that it may be true; for at the least, one of those gods.
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Mickiel;1367753 wrote: Well God is real, this much I know. Are there " Other gods?" Well yes there are. One of those, satan, I believe is real. He is called " The god of this earth." All the other gods I believe are fake, or man made. That is my view. A persons God must be real to them, it does not matter to whoelse; I think that should be a personal thing. So it does not matter to me what others think about the God I discern to be real; and it shouldnot matter to them what I think about their deitys. There are people who worship Cows; What do I think of that? It does not matter what I think. But belief in gods has been with humanity for a long time.
In my view, a belief in a god is a definte sign of human consciousness, another reason I believe primordal man had no working consciousness, they had no religions. Besides, I think Apes have always had a brain size flat line all of their existence. So belief in gods, I view as proof of some kind of Godly being as possible in reality. Not to be selfish and say its the God I favor, but to say continuing historical beliefs in gods, tends toward possible evidence that it may be true; for at the least, one of those gods.
Here we go again with what I believe is real and what you believe is real conflict, though what we both believe can not be proved to be real either way. I don't believe Satan is a god the story about Satan doesn't even portray him as a god. Why you believe this I don't care but if it makes you feel better about your God knowing he is more real than Satan which you highten to Godly status then you go ahead.
One of the gods we all believe in could be real or all of them or none of them. I believe the belief in a God purpose is not be about the belief in the reality of that god but the security an hope the belief in such a god brings. To say your god is real and no other god takes away and belittle others beliefs and hopes in there own god, to say your god is one of a group of gods belittles some who believe that only there one god is real.
In my view, a belief in a god is a definte sign of human consciousness, another reason I believe primordal man had no working consciousness, they had no religions. Besides, I think Apes have always had a brain size flat line all of their existence. So belief in gods, I view as proof of some kind of Godly being as possible in reality. Not to be selfish and say its the God I favor, but to say continuing historical beliefs in gods, tends toward possible evidence that it may be true; for at the least, one of those gods.
Here we go again with what I believe is real and what you believe is real conflict, though what we both believe can not be proved to be real either way. I don't believe Satan is a god the story about Satan doesn't even portray him as a god. Why you believe this I don't care but if it makes you feel better about your God knowing he is more real than Satan which you highten to Godly status then you go ahead.
One of the gods we all believe in could be real or all of them or none of them. I believe the belief in a God purpose is not be about the belief in the reality of that god but the security an hope the belief in such a god brings. To say your god is real and no other god takes away and belittle others beliefs and hopes in there own god, to say your god is one of a group of gods belittles some who believe that only there one god is real.