Opinion Change ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:25 am

Have any of you had your opinions changed by discussion on this or any other forum ?

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:33 am

Just about all of them, invariably on this one. There's not much that I thought in 2004 that I still think now, as a result of discussing it on fg. I've been doubted when I've said that but it appears true to me.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:43 am

Bruv;1370340 wrote: Have any of you had your opinions changed by discussion on this or any other forum ?
I do actually always try to see the other members point of view believe It not.

If some-one posts a link, I do show the curtesy of looking at It. ( then dismiss It out of hand of course )

I do think that most FG peeps are strong minded people who stand by their beliefs and I like that. I much prefer a member to stand by those beliefs rather than follow the sheeples who I have no time for. If you can not stand by your own beliefs then what Is the point of being on a forum anywhere?

What I like about FG Is the range of topics and although I may not agree with a members view, I am always Interested In new topics that I can even learn from.

Post by **spot** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:47 am

I could scarcely read that without wincing. Belief is a disease of the mind which prevents both insight and rational development.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:55 am

spot;1370347 wrote: I could scarcely read that without wincing. Belief is a disease of the mind which prevents both insight and rational development. I know how you feel. I endure the same with some of your posts.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:02 am

LOL easy you two..!! My opinion constantly changes when I read at this forum. We have some brilliant people who post here and I can always learn from them and everyone else. If you aren't open to listening to other opinions you become closed and guarded. JMHO..

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:27 am

spot;1370341 wrote: Just about all of them, invariably on this one. There's not much that I thought in 2004 that I still think now, as a result of discussing it on fg. I've been doubted when I've said that but it appears true to me.
I cannot dispute what you are saying without knowing what opinion has changed so drastically.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:30 am

oscar;1370343 wrote: I do actually always try to see the other members point of view believe It not.

I think I am the same, I adapt my opinion, but have never had any fundamental reversal of any deeply held opinion.........yet.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:35 am

Bruv;1370356 wrote: I think I am the same, I adapt my opinion, but have never had any fundamental reversal of any deeply held opinion.........yet.

My Father used to tell us.... 'Listen to others... let them speak... let them finish what they are saying.... when they are done.... Then tell them they are wrong. :wah:

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:39 am

I have certainly learned some more about people and things that I was previously unaware of since joining FG, however I have not really changed my core beliefs. My core beliefs have changed and been modified over the years due to other factors.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:44 am

Lon;1370361 wrote: I have certainly learned some more about people and things that I was previously unaware of since joining FG, however I have not really changed my core beliefs. My core beliefs have changed and been modified over the years due to other factors.

Yea that's what I meant to say, 'core beliefs' says more than opinions.

The skeleton is intact, it just a little more pliable

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:00 pm

My core beliefs haven't been changed, I feel that I'm strong in what I believe. I have learned so much on forums about different cultures and/or beliefs. I found it so interesting and always keep an open mind when reading posts on forums. I remember when I first arrived at the garden, I would just read and read and well you get the idea. I loved all of the different areas of the world that people were from and religions/faith that is different than mine. I felt like I was in a big crazy informal classroom!

So no, my core beliefs haven't changed but I wouldn't trade the learning experience for anything!

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:21 pm

The question was about opinions not core values totally different.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:20 pm

I would say that FG has been one of the factors that has caused me to modify my opinions but not, I think, fundamentally change them. Sometimes it has hardened my opinions: research I did as a consequence of a major political discussion has been enlightening and worrying at the same time.

Oh - I think I could say gmc convinced me Scotland probably wouldn't vote for independence when I thought they probably would.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:09 pm

Awwwhhhhh I love a good socialist revolution. :-4:-4

I'm not sure if it's this or any other forum, and I'm not sure I've chnaged over the years in as much of opinions . I have been swayed to believe certain things but, interestingly I seem to be reverting to original thought processes I had as a teen ( I had a chip on my shoulder back then and very basic beliefs that covered everything, my thoughts on justice and fairness in society were raw but honest, and I didn't suffer fools well) Society forced me to conform and now it seems I'm reverting back to my original self .

I kinda like that, because with experience I can see I was correct in the first place.:p

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:15 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1370408 wrote: Awwwhhhhh I love a good socialist revolution. :-4:-4

I'm not sure if it's this or any other forum, and I'm not sure I've chnaged over the years in as much of opinions . I have been swayed to believe certain things but, interestingly I seem to be reverting to original thought processes I had as a teen ( I had a chip on my shoulder back then and very basic beliefs that covered everything, my thoughts on justice and fairness in society were raw but honest, and I didn't suffer fools well) Society forced me to conform and now it seems I'm reverting back to my original self .

I kinda like that, because with experience I can see I was correct in the first place.:p

Think everybody is glad you have mellowed somewhat

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:24 pm

I meant that post in a political sense I guess.

All round I'm just a big ole' softy, just a highly protective instinct. Some things about a person does not change. I'm as stubborn as my grandfather (dad reckons it's the scottish highlander in us) ha ha ha ha.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:35 am

i"m stil going by the OP and would really like to know what others think..... it's an interest thing ...you know it

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:43 am

Bruv;1370340 wrote: Have any of you had your opinions changed by discussion on this or any other forum ?

I don't know if i could honestly say it's because of this or any other forum, it's probably more just natural for your opinions to change as you get older.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:46 am

yeah I agree buttercup ...it's just a life thing?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:35 am

I haven't really changed any of my core beliefs - had to re-think them and learn how to articulate them a bit better to myself if not to others. I have a better appreciation that what one thinks isn't necessarily so and am more ready to consider other people's points of view and less ready to jump to judgement and that someone's world view can be essentially the same but expressed in a completely alien manner. I still hate bigots but then again that makes me one as well does it not?

posted by spot

I plead in my defence that I've never considered myself left-wing and nether would most socialists.

I don't know about that spot you do come out with some things that I would categorise as loony left wing straight out of the revolutionary socialist handbook of stupid ideas that have no chance or working in practice but at least you are not fanatical about it. We've actually had a particularly British socialist revolution but the forces of reaction are ever with us and the bastards never give up and it is a truism that the left are just as corrupt and devious as the right, in the case of Blair and brown they are also stupid but then who elected them in the first place?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:53 am

I doubt claiming one's change in "core beliefs" would do this thread much justice without elaborating. (Not directly aimed at gmc's post closely above mine, rather at the many on this thread that have made the same reference)

I would say that one of my core beliefs some years ago was to not legalize the illicit drugs of today but that view is, and somewhat quickly, beginning to change. While I would never advocate legalizing meth and the direct sale of crack cocaine, among others, it's becoming apparent the ill effect societies ignorance is having on our ability to keep the public safe. The biggest problem is both our definitions of "safe" are not near as opposite as our definitions of "risk" as has been discussed.

Something is inherently wrong about a person being convicted for life, if not a great percentage of, on personal drug charges compared to rapists that get released after 5 years and "good behavior", most of which is guaranteed by the shear disgust these people reflect upon their prison peers let alone free society.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:30 pm

I think outside views depends on which society you belong to . I have found vastly differing opinions of those around the world that just wouldn't cut it here . I don't think we are as globalised as we may think ourselves.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:13 pm

oscar;1370343 wrote: I do think that most FG peeps are strong minded people who stand by their beliefs and I like that. I much prefer a member to stand by those beliefs rather than follow the sheeples who I have no time for. If you can not stand by your own beliefs then what Is the point of being on a forum anywhere?Here we are - from the recently cited "The Ladies Calling", The Ladies Calling, attributed to Richard Allestree 3. And first for the Meekness of the Understanding, it consists in a pliableness to conviction, and is directly opposite to that sullen adherence observable in too many; who judg of tenets not by their conformity to truth and reason, but to their prepossessions and tenaciously retain'd opinions, only because they (or some in whom they confide) have once own'd them; and certainly such a temper is of all others the most obstructive to Wisdom. This puts them upon the chance of a Lottery, and what they first happen to draw, determines them meerly upon the priviledg of its precedency [...]

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:47 pm

Can you translate that? I don't speak archaic.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:53 pm

I am evidently far gone in my curious ways, I'd not noticed any hint of archaism about it until you said. That my convictions are pliable was, I think, where I started out. The remainder is digs at oscar.

What on earth were you doing in 1672, not to have picked up the language?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:08 pm

I was going to say "sailing the ocean blue" till I realized I'm off by 200 years.

WAMOMMA · Post by **WAMOMMA** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:11 pm

SnoozeAgain;1371879 wrote: I was going to say "sailing the ocean blue" till I realized I'm off by 200 years.

haha.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:06 am

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:22 am

She's allowed to round up!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:51 am

spot;1371928 wrote: She's allowed to round up!I suppose if one has missed 180 years of literature another 20 couldn't hurt