Good question.
Trump on Gadhafi death:
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Lon;1373203 wrote: Good question.
Trump on Gadhafi death:
What happened to humanity ?
If the rebels were Indeed being routed, why not just step In to avoid Innocents being killed? Why the hell does there always have to be something In It for him? What an odious cretin? !!!
Trump on Gadhafi death:
What happened to humanity ?
If the rebels were Indeed being routed, why not just step In to avoid Innocents being killed? Why the hell does there always have to be something In It for him? What an odious cretin? !!!
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Trump is a narcissist in every way and will jump on any big news story simply to get media attention. It's difficult for normal people to comprehend his frequently reprehensible behavior but apparently any attention is good attention.
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SnoozeAgain;1373211 wrote: Trump is a narcissist in every way and will jump on any big news story simply to get media attention. It's difficult for normal people to comprehend his frequently reprehensible behavior but apparently any attention is good attention. We get the US Apprentice with Trump here In the UK and I have yet to find someone who enjoys watching It. I did watch a couple of episodes until the man Irritated the life out of me.... and besides.... what exactly is that thing on his head? Look like one of your kittens.
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Roadkill kitten, maybe.
What Do We Get Out Of It?, asks Donald Trump
oscar;1373207 wrote: What happened to humanity ?
If the rebels were Indeed being routed, why not just step In to avoid Innocents being killed? Why the hell does there always have to be something In It for him? What an odious cretin? !!!
How do you STEP IN without killing more people?
If the rebels were Indeed being routed, why not just step In to avoid Innocents being killed? Why the hell does there always have to be something In It for him? What an odious cretin? !!!
How do you STEP IN without killing more people?
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Lon;1373225 wrote: How do you STEP IN without killing more people?
Peace keeping troops on the ground.
Organised Air Strikes only where the army are In danger of killing Innocents.... Otherwise... Keep out all together.
Peace keeping troops on the ground.
Organised Air Strikes only where the army are In danger of killing Innocents.... Otherwise... Keep out all together.
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This conflict cost the U.S. and others lots of $$$$. What do you perceive to be the benefit to the U.S. and the other participants?
What Do We Get Out Of It?, asks Donald Trump
oscar;1373226 wrote: Peace keeping troops on the ground.
Organised Air Strikes only where the army are In danger of killing Innocents.... Otherwise... Keep out all together.
A very noble idea but it still results in deaths. Organised Air Strikes aren't always very well organised, just look at the history.
Organised Air Strikes only where the army are In danger of killing Innocents.... Otherwise... Keep out all together.
A very noble idea but it still results in deaths. Organised Air Strikes aren't always very well organised, just look at the history.
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Lon;1373228 wrote: A very noble idea but it still results in deaths. Organised Air Strikes aren't always very well organised, just look at the history. Agreed.
You ask yourself why the UN refused to Intervene In the genocide In Bosnia but happy to Intervene In ME countries with oil ?
You ask yourself why the UN refused to Intervene In the genocide In Bosnia but happy to Intervene In ME countries with oil ?
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oscar;1373232 wrote: Agreed.
You ask yourself why the UN refused to Intervene In the genocide In Bosnia but happy to Intervene In ME countries with oil ?
OIL__OIL__OIL-----Everyone talks about oil, but who gets it and how much?
When the U.S. went into Iraq it was said that our cost in that debacle was to paid from the oil we would get out of it. Haven't heard anymore about that from the pundits. It would be nice to think that any costs born by the U.S. in the Libya Debacle would be paid from any oil we could get from the country, but you know that just ain't gonna happen. No, instead, the U.S. tax payer will play Dig Daddy again and bear the cost. After all, the U.S. is the original TOOTH FAIRY.
You ask yourself why the UN refused to Intervene In the genocide In Bosnia but happy to Intervene In ME countries with oil ?
OIL__OIL__OIL-----Everyone talks about oil, but who gets it and how much?
When the U.S. went into Iraq it was said that our cost in that debacle was to paid from the oil we would get out of it. Haven't heard anymore about that from the pundits. It would be nice to think that any costs born by the U.S. in the Libya Debacle would be paid from any oil we could get from the country, but you know that just ain't gonna happen. No, instead, the U.S. tax payer will play Dig Daddy again and bear the cost. After all, the U.S. is the original TOOTH FAIRY.
What Do We Get Out Of It?, asks Donald Trump
Lon;1373235 wrote: After all, the U.S. is the original TOOTH FAIRY.So be isolationist. The rest of the world would be, in the main, surprised but delighted. Completely cut the handouts, completely withdraw all the bases, build a wall. You can be absolutely certain it would be cheaper than what you're up to at the moment.
How do you do it? Refuse to vote for any candidate who doesn't categorically promise to implement an isolationist position within one term.
Whose collective fault is it if it doesn't happen? The US electorate's.
How do you do it? Refuse to vote for any candidate who doesn't categorically promise to implement an isolationist position within one term.
Whose collective fault is it if it doesn't happen? The US electorate's.
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spot;1373249 wrote: So be isolationist. The rest of the world would be, in the main, surprised but delighted. Completely cut the handouts, completely withdraw all the bases, build a wall. You can be absolutely certain it would be cheaper than what you're up to at the moment.
How do you do it? Refuse to vote for any candidate who doesn't categorically promise to implement an isolationist position within one term.
Whose collective fault is it if it doesn't happen? The US electorate's.
AND... Cease supporting the Israeli military.
How do you do it? Refuse to vote for any candidate who doesn't categorically promise to implement an isolationist position within one term.
Whose collective fault is it if it doesn't happen? The US electorate's.
AND... Cease supporting the Israeli military.
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spot;1373249 wrote: So be isolationist. The rest of the world would be, in the main, surprised but delighted. Completely cut the handouts, completely withdraw all the bases, build a wall. You can be absolutely certain it would be cheaper than what you're up to at the moment.
How do you do it? Refuse to vote for any candidate who doesn't categorically promise to implement an isolationist position within one term.
Whose collective fault is it if it doesn't happen? The US electorate's.
In today's world being ISOLATIONIST is not a practical consideration due to interdependent factors, however it does seem only right to get one's moneys worth besides just HUMANITARIAN BENEFIT'S, or does that just sound too greedy for ya?
I think the U.S. has demonstrated it's Humanitarian nature on many occasions without expecting anything other than a thank you in return.
As for my voting for a candidate in the next election. So far, neither party has fielded a candidate that I could support.
How do you do it? Refuse to vote for any candidate who doesn't categorically promise to implement an isolationist position within one term.
Whose collective fault is it if it doesn't happen? The US electorate's.
In today's world being ISOLATIONIST is not a practical consideration due to interdependent factors, however it does seem only right to get one's moneys worth besides just HUMANITARIAN BENEFIT'S, or does that just sound too greedy for ya?
I think the U.S. has demonstrated it's Humanitarian nature on many occasions without expecting anything other than a thank you in return.
As for my voting for a candidate in the next election. So far, neither party has fielded a candidate that I could support.
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Lon;1373253 wrote: I think the U.S. has demonstrated it's Humanitarian nature on many occasions without expecting anything other than a thank you in return.
Do you know, I reckon dependency handouts of US farm surpluses paid for from the foreign aid budget to support US farm prices has destroyed more livelihoods in the third world, has collapsed more economies, than all the famines of the last fifty years would have achieved.
One grain ship into a country, with free handouts to millions of refugees, puts every farmer within two hundred miles into bankruptcy because they no longer have the local demand for their produce. The reasonable alternative, using the foreign aid budget to buy local produce from local markets, isn't even considered. I reckon it's a rare famine that has no local produce to distribute. If the Western world would at least close down this destructive "aid" mechanism (and I'm not talking about emergency disaster relief at all) the world would be more robust and more self-sufficient. One grain ship builds refugee camps from which an entire generation will never escape.
And when I say stop handing out foreign aid people think I'm being daft. I'm not at all. The only reason the budgets exist in the first place is to lubricate national exports through back doors which would not otherwise exist.
Do you know, I reckon dependency handouts of US farm surpluses paid for from the foreign aid budget to support US farm prices has destroyed more livelihoods in the third world, has collapsed more economies, than all the famines of the last fifty years would have achieved.
One grain ship into a country, with free handouts to millions of refugees, puts every farmer within two hundred miles into bankruptcy because they no longer have the local demand for their produce. The reasonable alternative, using the foreign aid budget to buy local produce from local markets, isn't even considered. I reckon it's a rare famine that has no local produce to distribute. If the Western world would at least close down this destructive "aid" mechanism (and I'm not talking about emergency disaster relief at all) the world would be more robust and more self-sufficient. One grain ship builds refugee camps from which an entire generation will never escape.
And when I say stop handing out foreign aid people think I'm being daft. I'm not at all. The only reason the budgets exist in the first place is to lubricate national exports through back doors which would not otherwise exist.
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spot;1373372 wrote: Do you know, I reckon dependency handouts of US farm surpluses paid for from the foreign aid budget to support US farm prices has destroyed more livelihoods in the third world, has collapsed more economies, than all the famines of the last fifty years would have achieved.
One grain ship into a country, with free handouts to millions of refugees, puts every farmer within two hundred miles into bankruptcy because they no longer have the local demand for their produce. The reasonable alternative, using the foreign aid budget to buy local produce from local markets, isn't even considered. I reckon it's a rare famine that has no local produce to distribute. If the Western world would at least close down this destructive "aid" mechanism (and I'm not talking about emergency disaster relief at all) the world would be more robust and more self-sufficient. One grain ship builds refugee camps from which an entire generation will never escape.
And when I say stop handing out foreign aid people think I'm being daft. I'm not at all. The only reason the budgets exist in the first place is to lubricate national exports through back doors which would not otherwise exist.
Now now Spot. You are pretty good at researching and I'll just bet that if you really tried you could find a number of BENEFICIAL results of U.S. generosity over the years.
One grain ship into a country, with free handouts to millions of refugees, puts every farmer within two hundred miles into bankruptcy because they no longer have the local demand for their produce. The reasonable alternative, using the foreign aid budget to buy local produce from local markets, isn't even considered. I reckon it's a rare famine that has no local produce to distribute. If the Western world would at least close down this destructive "aid" mechanism (and I'm not talking about emergency disaster relief at all) the world would be more robust and more self-sufficient. One grain ship builds refugee camps from which an entire generation will never escape.
And when I say stop handing out foreign aid people think I'm being daft. I'm not at all. The only reason the budgets exist in the first place is to lubricate national exports through back doors which would not otherwise exist.
Now now Spot. You are pretty good at researching and I'll just bet that if you really tried you could find a number of BENEFICIAL results of U.S. generosity over the years.
What Do We Get Out Of It?, asks Donald Trump
In a way maybe he's just being honest, a what's in it for me approach at least has the virtue of not being hypocritical. What's better in a politician - an honest fool or a clever liar? It's a bit about the debate over whether the british empire was a force for good in the world, after all we did bring civilisation to all the fuzzy wuzzies but now the cheeky bastards live here and tell us we are morally bankrupt and should convert to islam.
Trump went on to suggest that if President Barack Obama had backed the Iranian protesters in 2009 the same way he has backed the Occupy Wall Street movement, Iran would be in different hands now.
“Instead, he abandoned those people and you know what the result is,” Trump said. “Iran has only gotten stronger. The man doesn’t know what he’s doing.”
The Phantom Menace: Fantasies, Falsehoods, and Fear-Mongering about Iran
“To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary.”
- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
The paranoid warmongers it seems are always with us. If you're not careful the next war will be against Iran. Personally I don't think the US people will fall for it again.
Face up to it the US is merely following in the coattails of the british when it comes to empire.
An uprising of more than 100,000 armed tribesmen took place in 1920. Over the next few months the RAF dropped 97 tons of bombs killing 9,000 Iraqis. This failed to end the resistance and Arab and Kurdish uprisings continued to pose a threat to British rule. Churchill suggested that chemical weapons should be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment." He added "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes to spread a lively terror" in Iraq.
Shock and awe a lively terror what's the difference? Incidentally the british DID use poison gas on Iraqis so maybe the us can claim the moral high ground over that one.
Trump went on to suggest that if President Barack Obama had backed the Iranian protesters in 2009 the same way he has backed the Occupy Wall Street movement, Iran would be in different hands now.
“Instead, he abandoned those people and you know what the result is,” Trump said. “Iran has only gotten stronger. The man doesn’t know what he’s doing.”
The Phantom Menace: Fantasies, Falsehoods, and Fear-Mongering about Iran
“To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary.”
- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
The paranoid warmongers it seems are always with us. If you're not careful the next war will be against Iran. Personally I don't think the US people will fall for it again.
Face up to it the US is merely following in the coattails of the british when it comes to empire.
An uprising of more than 100,000 armed tribesmen took place in 1920. Over the next few months the RAF dropped 97 tons of bombs killing 9,000 Iraqis. This failed to end the resistance and Arab and Kurdish uprisings continued to pose a threat to British rule. Churchill suggested that chemical weapons should be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment." He added "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes to spread a lively terror" in Iraq.
Shock and awe a lively terror what's the difference? Incidentally the british DID use poison gas on Iraqis so maybe the us can claim the moral high ground over that one.