Intelligence, Wisdom, Knowledge.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:58 am

A very simple yet complicated question.

Does the acquisition of knowledge make you clever ?

Or does having a lot of facts in your brain make you intelligent ?

And where does wisdom fit into the equation ?

Can an illiterate person be wise ?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:27 am

Doesn't matter what you know if you can'y apply it to the world around you .

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

Clearly an illiterate person can be wise otherwise our ancestors would still be living in caves.

theia · Post by **theia** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:38 am

In my opinion, an "illiterate" person can be very wise. I think true wisdom shows itself when you let go of what you think you know. I find that people who talk from the wisdom deep within express themselves in such a gentle and compassionate way.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:41 am

gmc;1375051 wrote: Doesn't matter what you know if you can'y apply it to the world around you .

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

Clearly an illiterate person can be wise otherwise our ancestors would still be living in caves.

Wisdom is knowing our ancestors are dead and can't still be living in caves.:yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:15 am

Knowledge Is about Individuality.

For example, I defy anyone to challenge me on National Hunt Horse-racing and I will batter them with times, weights, distances, tracks, hurdles and form since the dawning of time, but then I know nothing about making cheese.

Someone with a PHD In physics could Impress but then I bet he doesn't now how to get knots out of Persian cats

We all have knowledge and wisdom but the truely wise accept that others have their specialised fields

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:25 am

I have a thing about 'learning' for no apparent reason.

I have known several professional students over the years, who attend 'Uni' , never University, who take such obscure subjects, gaining 'knowledge' and 'facts' .....but who you wouldn't ask to help you cross the road.

And the opposite applies too, some people I know are incapable of putting simple words onto paper, but get them on their specific subject and they are full of facts and figures and insights.

I see knowledge as a tool, like any other tool, if you know how to use it and have some passion or are adept in it's use..... it can be extremely powerful.

But having a 'full tool kit' doesn't make you intelligent or a master craftsman.

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:33 am

One of my classmates knew a lot about veterinary care. ( training to be a vet's assistent)

She knew every fact etc. that you could find in our schoolbooks BUT: she was crap at actually interacting & taking care of the animals. Had no common sense, and came out with the most crazy statements.

So knowing everything does not mean it makes you any good in practice or that it automatically makes you a smart person.

Yes I do believe illiterate people can be very wise. I just think common sense is more important & usefull then knowing every fact you could ever read about.

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:36 am

Bruv;1375069 wrote: I see knowledge as a tool, like any other tool, if you know how to use it and have some passion or are adept in it's use..... it can be extremely powerful.

But having a 'full tool kit' doesn't make you intelligent or a master craftsman.

I agree

that's what I meant as well. But the way you put it makes it sound better :wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:37 am

Bruv;1375069 wrote: I have a thing about 'learning' for no apparent reason.

I have known several professional students over the years, who attend 'Uni' , never University, who take such obscure subjects, gaining 'knowledge' and 'facts' .....but who you wouldn't ask to help you cross the road.

And the opposite applies too, some people I know are incapable of putting simple words onto paper, but get them on their specific subject and they are full of facts and figures and insights.

I see knowledge as a tool, like any other tool, if you know how to use it and have some passion or are adept in it's use..... it can be extremely powerful.

But having a 'full tool kit' doesn't make you intelligent or a master craftsman.

I think you have summed that up perfectly Bruv and I agree.

If someone hasn't got the brains to photograph a bike, then I'm not going to ask them to help me construct a wind turbine In my back yard.

There are members here that are authorities on subjects and I graciously bow to their superior knowledge, for example, I would not question the kilted one of the subject of religion and why I am still thinking of what to say In reply to the message he sent two days ago.

Gaining knowledge Is the wisdom of listening to others and taking from It what you need.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:40 am

Chloe_88;1375071 wrote: One of my classmates knew a lot about veterinary care. ( training to be a vet's assistent)

She knew every fact etc. that you could find in our schoolbooks BUT: she was crap at actually interacting & taking care of the animals. Had no common sense, and came out with the most crazy statements.

So knowing everything does not mean it makes you any good in practice or that it automatically makes you a smart person.

Yes I do believe illiterate people can be very wise. I just think common sense is more important & usefull then knowing every fact you could ever read about.

I agree with you also Chloe....Hands on experience with animals far outweighs the text books when It comes to actually handling a animal. I would Imagine for example, In my town, there Is only one person people phone to come and get a Fox out of barbed wire..... yeah me !!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:42 am

oscar;1375074 wrote:

If someone hasn't got the brains to photograph a bike, then I'm not going to ask them to help me construct a wind turbine In my back yard.

What ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:51 am

Bruv;1375076 wrote: What ?

:wah::wah::wah:

Put It another way.... I wouldn't ask Gary Glitter to mind the kids while I went to the shops.

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:07 pm

oscar;1375075 wrote: In my town, there Is only one person people phone to come and get a Fox out of barbed wire..... yeah me !!

I know how you feel :yh_rotfl same here!

oscar;1375075 wrote: I wouldn't ask Gary Glitter to mind the kids while I went to the shops.

uhum yeah, I agree with you :yh_rotfl

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:26 pm

YZGI;1375054 wrote: Wisdom is knowing our ancestors are dead and can't still be living in caves.:yh_rotfl

:-5:-5:o

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:39 pm

Reading this, I am reminded of a saying of my Father's.

"Every generation believes they are more Intelligent than the one that preceed's and succeed's. "

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:14 pm

oscar;1375087 wrote: Reading this, I am reminded of a saying of my Father's.

"Every generation believes they are more Intelligent than the one that preceed's and succeed's. "

Good one! Must say i generally stick to a very simple one: **** happens. But to stick to the thread: half a bottle of wine decreases the level of intelligence *hiccup*

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:37 pm

Chloe_88;1375088 wrote: Good one! Must say i generally stick to a very simple one: **** happens. But to stick to the thread: half a bottle of wine decreases the level of intelligence *hiccup*

Hic :wah:

My Father also warned us as children to never look a queer squirrell straight In the eye.

I grew up slighty cautious of squirrells until one day I was enjoying a sandwich In Regents park, London. A pesky squirrel had his eye on my sandwich so I stared him out only for him to leap on my leg and bite me. I spent the rest of the day walking around London Zoo bleeding. When someone asked what had happened to me, I told them that I make the mistake of looking a queer squirrel straight In the eye. She moved her children away from me rather quickly at that point.

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:44 pm

oscar;1375091 wrote: Hic :wah:

My Father also warned us as children to never look a queer squirrell straight In the eye.

I grew up slighty cautious of squirrells until one day I was enjoying a sandwich In Regents park, London. A pesky squirrel had his eye on my sandwich so I stared him out only for him to leap on my leg and bite me. I spent the rest of the day walking around London Zoo bleeding. When someone asked what had happened to me, I told them that I make the mistake of looking a queer squirrel straight In the eye. She moved her children away from me rather quickly at that point.

O my god, thank you! Thats just made my day (had a bad one, up till now) my keyboard + screen is now coverd in wine whilst crying and wetting myself of laughter!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:53 pm

Chloe_88;1375093 wrote: O my god, thank you! Thats just made my day (had a bad one, up till now) my keyboard + screen is now coverd in wine whilst crying and wetting myself of laughter! I put nuts out for the squirrells In my garden but I do It now In a sideways look type of way. I learnt my lesson.

My Father also told me as child to stay away from Alan Pickard because his Mother lacked moral fibre and was of easy virtue..... wonder what ever happened to Alan Pickard?

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:06 pm

oscar;1375094 wrote: I put nuts out for the squirrells In my garden but I do It now In a sideways look type of way. I learnt my lesson.

Yeah I can imagine!

By the way I think your father was a very wise man :wah:

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:26 pm

Chloe_88;1375103 wrote:

By the way I think your father was a very wise man :wah:

That blows the genetics idea away then ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:32 pm

Bruv;1375121 wrote: That blows the genetics idea away then ?

Funny you should say that because my Father also used to tell us not to mock the village Idiot due to blood tests being Inconclusive :yh_rotfl

Post by **Chloe_88** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:36 pm

oscar;1375123 wrote: Funny you should say that because my Father also used to tell us not to mock the village Idiot due to blood tests being Inconclusive :yh_rotfl

:yh_rotfl

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:21 pm

Does the acquisition of knowledge make you clever ? It depends upon how you use the knowledge.

Or does having a lot of facts in your brain make you intelligent ? Too many facts can make you crazy.

And where does wisdom fit into the equation ? Wisdom is aquired after many living and learning experiences and being able to help others with your knowledge.

Can an illiterate person be wise ?

A person doesn't need to be able to read to be wise. But he does know that if he was able to read, he would be able to acquire more knowledge and information as well as be entertained.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:01 pm

I don't think any of us are clever intelligent or wise . Every single person in this world when asked if they want peace would say yes. And yet not one of us has the intelligence or cleverness to impliment it nor the wisdom to convince others to come on board.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:11 am

fuzzywuzzy;1375145 wrote: I don't think any of us are clever intelligent or wise . Every single person in this world when asked if they want peace would say yes. And yet not one of us has the intelligence or cleverness to impliment it nor the wisdom to convince others to come on board.

That's deep !!!!

So you are wise enough to know the problem, but not clever enough to solve it ?

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:25 am

my 2 cents

I have an IQ of about 146 (I've tested from 142 to 150) So I guess that makes me intelligent.

I know a lot of stuff about a lot of things, so I guess I have knowledge.

I make some pretty stupid decisions, now and again.

So I guess I'm not very wise.

On the other hand, if I learn from those stupid decisions and don't make them again, I may have gained some wisdom.

True wisdom is learning from others' mistakes.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:32 am

I'm of the position that "wise" is defined by most as being a generalized concept. A thought that one can only be as wise as the amount of information they know compared to their ability to express that information using metaphors that is uniformly understood(Sorry I'm trying to appear intelligent here)...

If we use a specific topic as a continuous random variable we can see how a wise man would utilize his knowledge by turning that continuous random variable into a discrete random variable, thus exemplifying empathy that is synonymous of "wise"...

(I'm merely putting forth an idea of mine so that I might increase the probability one or more people might meditate a bit more about the subject)<----You see I have to clarify such things so I don't provoke fire spitting dragons complaining so much...You'd have thought dragons were extinct but they're very real!

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:50 pm

LarsMac;1375177 wrote: my 2 cents

I have an IQ of about 146 (I've tested from 142 to 150) So I guess that makes me intelligent.

I know a lot of stuff about a lot of things, so I guess I have knowledge.

I make some pretty stupid decisions, now and again.

So I guess I'm not very wise.

On the other hand, if I learn from those stupid decisions and don't make them again, I may have gained some wisdom.

True wisdom is learning from others' mistakes.

Hang on but what if those stupid decisions turned out fun? would it not be wise to repeat them?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:52 pm

Bruv;1375169 wrote: That's deep !!!!

So you are wise enough to know the problem, but not clever enough to solve it ?

Oh I'm clever enough .....I have a gun that goes off when people disagree with me .

problem solved

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:12 am

K.Snyder;1375252 wrote: I'm of the position that "wise" is defined by most as being a generalized concept. A thought that one can only be as wise as the amount of information they know compared to their ability to express that information using metaphors that is uniformly understood(Sorry I'm trying to appear intelligent here)...Do you mean wisdom is not learned from a book ?

If we use a specific topic as a continuous random variable we can see how a wise man would utilize his knowledge by turning that continuous random variable into a discrete random variable, thus exemplifying empathy that is synonymous of "wise"...

do you mean ?............nah ......I shall that one a miss

(I'm merely putting forth an idea of mine so that I might increase the probability one or more people might meditate a bit more about the subject)
SPIT !!

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:09 am

Bruv;1375397 wrote: Do you mean wisdom is not learned from a book ?I'm of the particular position that the book is irrelevant. It might become relevant after one has used the knowledge he or she has gained from that book to coincide with the metaphor used to get his or her point across.

I would also think there's a fine line between patronization and a showing of kindness met with the intent to enlighten...After considering this fine line I would also assume that being "wise" can only be defined after an effect is observed...

An interesting question arises in my mind and it's "Would not an evil person be considered wise in the eyes of another evil person?"

Bruv;1375397 wrote: do you mean ?............nah ......I shall that one a missI've been told it's an incredibly delicate subject. Doesn't mean it's not enjoyable to read...

cars · Post by **cars** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:08 am

Having intelligence is knowing how to use knowledge wisely.

Having wisdom, is knowing not to make the same mistake twice.