Oh and God cannot be proven by using arguments such as look at the universe or look at the eco-system of earth. All these points are just arguments and they have counter arguments.
If God was provable by such arguments then everyone would be a theist now. There would be do debate.
God moves people by His message and the Power of His Holy Spirit.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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Adstar;1378278 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1377924]
Ok so you have developed your own religion. You have simply used the Christianity as a smorgasbord picking and choosing the things that are palatable for you, But rejecting the things you cannot stomach.
It is good that everyone is now clear on this.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
I hold no intrest in religion, I am not intrested in christianity, and I hold no intrest in you.
Peace.
Ok so you have developed your own religion. You have simply used the Christianity as a smorgasbord picking and choosing the things that are palatable for you, But rejecting the things you cannot stomach.
It is good that everyone is now clear on this.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
I hold no intrest in religion, I am not intrested in christianity, and I hold no intrest in you.
Peace.
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Mick Fenner;1378277 wrote:
therefore you are helping my life right now just as thousands of other humans help me and which I appreciate it very much. My previous post also asked you about this God if you care to, I think it extends the subject of a God as to what it rearly is if it is. Maybe that is off the original track.
All the best and thanks for the return.
I hold no intrest in helping you, and I am not trying to do that. I am simply posting my views.
therefore you are helping my life right now just as thousands of other humans help me and which I appreciate it very much. My previous post also asked you about this God if you care to, I think it extends the subject of a God as to what it rearly is if it is. Maybe that is off the original track.
All the best and thanks for the return.
I hold no intrest in helping you, and I am not trying to do that. I am simply posting my views.
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Mickiel;1378286 wrote: I hold no intrest in helping you, and I am not trying to do that. I am simply posting my views.
I meant it in the way that the fact you are talking to me is a help in my life and as I pointed out this also applies to all humans. So what ever our intentions are to have no interest in helping others it still does help in some way as it allows me to consider what is said or done. I see nothing in any way that there is a God helping me or anybody else. IS GOD REAL, you certainly are.
All the best.
I meant it in the way that the fact you are talking to me is a help in my life and as I pointed out this also applies to all humans. So what ever our intentions are to have no interest in helping others it still does help in some way as it allows me to consider what is said or done. I see nothing in any way that there is a God helping me or anybody else. IS GOD REAL, you certainly are.
All the best.
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Mick Fenner;1378287 wrote: I meant it in the way that the fact you are talking to me is a help in my life and as I pointed out this also applies to all humans. So what ever our intentions are to have no interest in helping others it still does help in some way as it allows me to consider what is said or done. I see nothing in any way that there is a God helping me or anybody else. IS GOD REAL, you certainly are.
All the best.
I repeat, I am not interested in helping you, and I hold no intrest in trying to do that. What people believe is their business, and I hold no intrest in convincing people about anything concerning God. I am not intrested in the things " You are considering." I couldcareless what people think about God.
All the best.
I repeat, I am not interested in helping you, and I hold no intrest in trying to do that. What people believe is their business, and I hold no intrest in convincing people about anything concerning God. I am not intrested in the things " You are considering." I couldcareless what people think about God.
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Mickiel;1378288 wrote: I repeat, I am not interested in helping you, and I hold no intrest in trying to do that. What people believe is their business, and I hold no intrest in convincing people about anything concerning God. I am not intrested in the things " You are considering." I couldcareless what people think about God.
I am a bit confused please try and help me understand.
Why do you write on here and give your opinions?
Thank you. All the best.
I am a bit confused please try and help me understand.
Why do you write on here and give your opinions?
Thank you. All the best.
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God is " The First", and there had to be a first. In causation, there had to be a first cause; that is God. In motion, there had to be a first mover; that was God. In Consciousness, there had to be a first consciousness; in intelligence, there had to be a first intelligence; In Life, there had to be a first life. This reasoning points to God being real; the only alternitive is that all things first created themselves, which is unreasonable.
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Mick Fenner;1378299 wrote: I am a bit confused please try and help me understand.
Why do you write on here and give your opinions?
Thank you. All the best.
I like expressing myself and my views. I like the freedom to do that. Now if you cannot understand that, then its nothing to worry about. I hold just as much right as you do to express our views. Now you may have reasons for expressing yourself that I don't share; you may do it " To help others", or to convince others of your views; I am not interested in doing that.
Why do you write on here and give your opinions?
Thank you. All the best.
I like expressing myself and my views. I like the freedom to do that. Now if you cannot understand that, then its nothing to worry about. I hold just as much right as you do to express our views. Now you may have reasons for expressing yourself that I don't share; you may do it " To help others", or to convince others of your views; I am not interested in doing that.
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Mickiel;1378300 wrote: God is " The First", and there had to be a first. In causation, there had to be a first cause; that is God. In motion, there had to be a first mover; that was God. In Consciousness, there had to be a first consciousness; in intelligence, there had to be a first intelligence; In Life, there had to be a first life. This reasoning points to God being real; the only alternitive is that all things first created themselves, which is unreasonable.
Did God create himself if so maybe that to is unreasonable.
If God did create all things as in being the first mover does it matter now and if so how.
Did God create himself if so maybe that to is unreasonable.
If God did create all things as in being the first mover does it matter now and if so how.
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Mickiel;1378302 wrote: I like expressing myself and my views. I like the freedom to do that. Now if you cannot understand that, then its nothing to worry about. I hold just as much right as you do to express our views. Now you may have reasons for expressing yourself that I don't share; you may do it " To help others", or to convince others of your views; I am not interested in doing that.
Thank you I can understand better now.
Of course you hold the right to your views and I find your views interesting and for that I thank you for helping me to have an interesting life.
When you read others views do you consider them and then maybe even alter your views.
Today I do not consider there to be a God as others say what it is but I may write my views differently at sometime in the future.
Did your views come from other peoples words.
Kind regards its been a help to me just by talking to you.
Thank you I can understand better now.
Of course you hold the right to your views and I find your views interesting and for that I thank you for helping me to have an interesting life.
When you read others views do you consider them and then maybe even alter your views.
Today I do not consider there to be a God as others say what it is but I may write my views differently at sometime in the future.
Did your views come from other peoples words.
Kind regards its been a help to me just by talking to you.
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Mick Fenner;1378304 wrote: Thank you I can understand better now.
Of course you hold the right to your views and I find your views interesting and for that I thank you for helping me to have an interesting life.
When you read others views do you consider them and then maybe even alter your views.
Today I do not consider there to be a God as others say what it is but I may write my views differently at sometime in the future.
Did your views come from other peoples words.
Kind regards its been a help to me just by talking to you.
You know you keep mentioning that I am helping you, and I keep telling you that is not my intrest. When we talk to people, its no telling what others will do with the conversation, or how they will interpit it. My only purpose in sharing my views on God, are to give my own interpitation of him, because I disagree with so much of what people are saying about him. I do not communicate this with people " In order to help them", or influence them, or " Teach them", or guide them; because in my view, God will do those things and does not need people to do it for him. I hold absolutely no intrest in giving my mind over to the seduction of " Thinking I am helping people", or thinking I am speaking for God and healing peoples mind; there are far too many people already caught up in such a seduction. I don't allow my mind to believe such nonsense about myself, and I do not allow other people to tell me such things about myself. I don't try to help others understand God, and I don't ask others to help me understand God; I walk alone in my learning. But I freely share what I learn, holding no concern with what others will do with what I say. Because I already know they can do almost anything with it.
What only matters is God, and what he will do and has done. That is what shapes reality, and that is the final outcome of all things.
Peace.
Of course you hold the right to your views and I find your views interesting and for that I thank you for helping me to have an interesting life.
When you read others views do you consider them and then maybe even alter your views.
Today I do not consider there to be a God as others say what it is but I may write my views differently at sometime in the future.
Did your views come from other peoples words.
Kind regards its been a help to me just by talking to you.
You know you keep mentioning that I am helping you, and I keep telling you that is not my intrest. When we talk to people, its no telling what others will do with the conversation, or how they will interpit it. My only purpose in sharing my views on God, are to give my own interpitation of him, because I disagree with so much of what people are saying about him. I do not communicate this with people " In order to help them", or influence them, or " Teach them", or guide them; because in my view, God will do those things and does not need people to do it for him. I hold absolutely no intrest in giving my mind over to the seduction of " Thinking I am helping people", or thinking I am speaking for God and healing peoples mind; there are far too many people already caught up in such a seduction. I don't allow my mind to believe such nonsense about myself, and I do not allow other people to tell me such things about myself. I don't try to help others understand God, and I don't ask others to help me understand God; I walk alone in my learning. But I freely share what I learn, holding no concern with what others will do with what I say. Because I already know they can do almost anything with it.
What only matters is God, and what he will do and has done. That is what shapes reality, and that is the final outcome of all things.
Peace.
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Mickiel;1378327 wrote:
What only matters is God, and what he will do and has done. That is what shapes reality, and that is the final outcome of all things
You still have failed to explain why your god is more responsible for shaping my reality that his god, or her god, or their gods, or how you exclusively know "The only thing that matters" and I, him her, they us and them do not, and since you "WALK ALONE" in your beliefs I, him, her, they us and them, will never know "the only thing that matters",
not that I would want too because from all the contradicting mythological circle talking I have seen in this post in order to know "the only thing that matters" requires belief in something that doesn't really matter at all.
The more and more you explain your beliefs as alone or not you may walk with them, the more I pity how much they are degraded from any righteous cause especially a long way away from what I believe is the only thing that matters, and the only thing that is synonymous in all beliefs I know of "except of course yours" and that is the "golden rule". Though I admit your super-ego pedistal is different than most christian,muslim, and jewish fanatics I have had conversations with in the past, instead of thinking you know what matters and no one else does so I must tell them what matters, you take it to a whole new selfish level with the I know what matters, everyone else doesn't, and I don't give a rats A$$ that everyone else doesn't. Please continue to enlighten us peons, because we obviously don't know any of all mighty all-knowing things you get to have just for being you, or of what GOD would tell us to do if we had the privilege of being you, which of course we have to pray to your god we can one day be, because things that matter only happen to people that matter and that of course is you right? no one else?
What only matters is God, and what he will do and has done. That is what shapes reality, and that is the final outcome of all things
You still have failed to explain why your god is more responsible for shaping my reality that his god, or her god, or their gods, or how you exclusively know "The only thing that matters" and I, him her, they us and them do not, and since you "WALK ALONE" in your beliefs I, him, her, they us and them, will never know "the only thing that matters",
not that I would want too because from all the contradicting mythological circle talking I have seen in this post in order to know "the only thing that matters" requires belief in something that doesn't really matter at all.
The more and more you explain your beliefs as alone or not you may walk with them, the more I pity how much they are degraded from any righteous cause especially a long way away from what I believe is the only thing that matters, and the only thing that is synonymous in all beliefs I know of "except of course yours" and that is the "golden rule". Though I admit your super-ego pedistal is different than most christian,muslim, and jewish fanatics I have had conversations with in the past, instead of thinking you know what matters and no one else does so I must tell them what matters, you take it to a whole new selfish level with the I know what matters, everyone else doesn't, and I don't give a rats A$$ that everyone else doesn't. Please continue to enlighten us peons, because we obviously don't know any of all mighty all-knowing things you get to have just for being you, or of what GOD would tell us to do if we had the privilege of being you, which of course we have to pray to your god we can one day be, because things that matter only happen to people that matter and that of course is you right? no one else?
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[QUOTE=littleCJelkton;1378352]
You still have failed to explain QUOTE]
Explain to me why you are asking " A failure questions?" Explain to me why you are talking to a failure? Explain to me why you are reading everything a failure is writing? Explain to me why so many others are reading this failed explination?
Explain to me why I should explain anything to you!
You still have failed to explain QUOTE]
Explain to me why you are asking " A failure questions?" Explain to me why you are talking to a failure? Explain to me why you are reading everything a failure is writing? Explain to me why so many others are reading this failed explination?
Explain to me why I should explain anything to you!
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Mickiel;1378353 wrote: [QUOTE=littleCJelkton;1378352]
You still have failed to explain QUOTE]
Explain to me why you are asking " A failure questions?" Explain to me why you are talking to a failure? Explain to me why you are reading everything a failure is writing? Explain to me why so many others are reading this failed explination?
Explain to me why I should explain anything to you!
Well if all that matters only happens to you and no one else then I guess you don't but, because I believe that there is no way you are the only person who knows what is the only thing that matters, nor are you the only person things that matter happen to, I will continue to ask you why you think so. So until I see, hear, taste, smell, feel, can eat, and pass as a bowel movement of anything that states contrary I will continue to ask why, and ask why again, to people like you who through what they see, feel, smell, hear, eat, and $#!+ think they know what matters and are the only people what matters happens to. Because in doing this I believe I am strengthening my belief that no one person sees, hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$ anything that matters more than what anybody else sees,hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$.
You still have failed to explain QUOTE]
Explain to me why you are asking " A failure questions?" Explain to me why you are talking to a failure? Explain to me why you are reading everything a failure is writing? Explain to me why so many others are reading this failed explination?
Explain to me why I should explain anything to you!
Well if all that matters only happens to you and no one else then I guess you don't but, because I believe that there is no way you are the only person who knows what is the only thing that matters, nor are you the only person things that matter happen to, I will continue to ask you why you think so. So until I see, hear, taste, smell, feel, can eat, and pass as a bowel movement of anything that states contrary I will continue to ask why, and ask why again, to people like you who through what they see, feel, smell, hear, eat, and $#!+ think they know what matters and are the only people what matters happens to. Because in doing this I believe I am strengthening my belief that no one person sees, hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$ anything that matters more than what anybody else sees,hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$.
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littleCJelkton;1378355 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378353]
Well if all that matters only happens to you and no one else then I guess you don't but, because I believe that there is no way you are the only person who knows what is the only thing that matters, nor are you the only person things that matter happen to, I will continue to ask you why you think so. So until I see, hear, taste, smell, feel, can eat, and pass as a bowel movement of anything that states contrary I will continue to ask why, and ask why again, to people like you who through what they see, feel, smell, hear, eat, and $#!+ think they know what matters and are the only people what matters happens to. Because in doing this I believe I am strengthening my belief that no one person sees, hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$ anything that matters more than what anybody else sees,hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$.
Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic design in humans AND their atmosphere. These senses are irreducible in their complexity ( by the way, Irreducible Complexity is proof God is real). If you remove the 5 senses from humanity, we couldnot have survived. These senses cannot be produced gradually by slight successive modifications in nature from a less complicated pre-condition; they ALL had to be fully in place at conception. Stunning proof of creation.
Well if all that matters only happens to you and no one else then I guess you don't but, because I believe that there is no way you are the only person who knows what is the only thing that matters, nor are you the only person things that matter happen to, I will continue to ask you why you think so. So until I see, hear, taste, smell, feel, can eat, and pass as a bowel movement of anything that states contrary I will continue to ask why, and ask why again, to people like you who through what they see, feel, smell, hear, eat, and $#!+ think they know what matters and are the only people what matters happens to. Because in doing this I believe I am strengthening my belief that no one person sees, hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$ anything that matters more than what anybody else sees,hears, tastes, smells, or $#!+$.
Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic design in humans AND their atmosphere. These senses are irreducible in their complexity ( by the way, Irreducible Complexity is proof God is real). If you remove the 5 senses from humanity, we couldnot have survived. These senses cannot be produced gradually by slight successive modifications in nature from a less complicated pre-condition; they ALL had to be fully in place at conception. Stunning proof of creation.
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Mickiel;1378398 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378355]
Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic design in humans AND their atmosphere. These senses are irreducible in their complexity ( by the way, Irreducible Complexity is proof God is real). If you remove the 5 senses from humanity, we couldnot have survived. These senses cannot be produced gradually by slight successive modifications in nature from a less complicated pre-condition; they ALL had to be fully in place at conception. Stunning proof of creation.
plenty of things had these senses long before humans ever existed. Still waiting for proof of this god of yours. There are not any proofs of this god of yours because in order for something to be a proof someone else has to confirm it as a proof otherwise it is just an opinion, since you are a firm believer of I me an myself are the only ones that matter there can be no proof of whatever proof it is you think that matters to yourself.
Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic design in humans AND their atmosphere. These senses are irreducible in their complexity ( by the way, Irreducible Complexity is proof God is real). If you remove the 5 senses from humanity, we couldnot have survived. These senses cannot be produced gradually by slight successive modifications in nature from a less complicated pre-condition; they ALL had to be fully in place at conception. Stunning proof of creation.
plenty of things had these senses long before humans ever existed. Still waiting for proof of this god of yours. There are not any proofs of this god of yours because in order for something to be a proof someone else has to confirm it as a proof otherwise it is just an opinion, since you are a firm believer of I me an myself are the only ones that matter there can be no proof of whatever proof it is you think that matters to yourself.
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littleCJelkton;1378399 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378398]
plenty of things had these senses long before humans ever existed. Still waiting for proof of this god of yours. There are not any proofs of this god of yours because in order for something to be a proof someone else has to confirm it as a proof otherwise it is just an opinion, since you are a firm believer of I me an myself are the only ones that matter there can be no proof of whatever proof it is you think that matters to yourself.
I like you just as you are CJ; waiting; listening ; reading; interested and banging that head on that wall. All burning proofs of God in your head.
plenty of things had these senses long before humans ever existed. Still waiting for proof of this god of yours. There are not any proofs of this god of yours because in order for something to be a proof someone else has to confirm it as a proof otherwise it is just an opinion, since you are a firm believer of I me an myself are the only ones that matter there can be no proof of whatever proof it is you think that matters to yourself.
I like you just as you are CJ; waiting; listening ; reading; interested and banging that head on that wall. All burning proofs of God in your head.
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Mickiel;1378405 wrote:
I like you just as you are CJ; waiting; listening ; reading; interested and banging that head on that wall. All burning proofs of God in your head.
The wall is constructed by you and it is in your head, that way only things that matter can happen inside the wall and to you. I happen to have a very hard head because I have been banging it against other peoples self-built walls and breaking them for a fairly consistent time now.
I like you just as you are CJ; waiting; listening ; reading; interested and banging that head on that wall. All burning proofs of God in your head.
The wall is constructed by you and it is in your head, that way only things that matter can happen inside the wall and to you. I happen to have a very hard head because I have been banging it against other peoples self-built walls and breaking them for a fairly consistent time now.
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littleCJelkton;1378442 wrote: The wall is constructed by you and it is in your head, that way only things that matter can happen inside the wall and to you. I happen to have a very hard head because I have been banging it against other peoples self-built walls and breaking them for a fairly consistent time now.
Whats it feel like CJ; to be the only one in your group to at least try and debate me? Whats it feel like, to be the only one that is preventing a route? Whats it feel like to be the only one CJ? The only one trying to stop a juggernault.
I feel for you Cj, because I am an only one myself.
Whats it feel like CJ; to be the only one in your group to at least try and debate me? Whats it feel like, to be the only one that is preventing a route? Whats it feel like to be the only one CJ? The only one trying to stop a juggernault.
I feel for you Cj, because I am an only one myself.
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Mickiel;1378398 wrote: [QUOTE=littleCJelkton;1378355]
Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic design in humans AND their atmosphere. These senses are irreducible in their complexity ( by the way, Irreducible Complexity is proof God is real). If you remove the 5 senses from humanity, we couldnot have survived. These senses cannot be produced gradually by slight successive modifications in nature from a less complicated pre-condition; they ALL had to be fully in place at conception. Stunning proof of creation.
When I can see and hear a "God" say what you said above then I may believe it.
Again you have proved your God isnt able to do what you can do, speak to ALL people, or maybe he is like you and speaks to one or two but is unable to preach to ALL. Is that lack of common sense and logic or incapeable of doing it.
Ity appears also that maybe God and you are not interested in helping me to understand and learn from others.
All the best.
Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic design in humans AND their atmosphere. These senses are irreducible in their complexity ( by the way, Irreducible Complexity is proof God is real). If you remove the 5 senses from humanity, we couldnot have survived. These senses cannot be produced gradually by slight successive modifications in nature from a less complicated pre-condition; they ALL had to be fully in place at conception. Stunning proof of creation.
When I can see and hear a "God" say what you said above then I may believe it.
Again you have proved your God isnt able to do what you can do, speak to ALL people, or maybe he is like you and speaks to one or two but is unable to preach to ALL. Is that lack of common sense and logic or incapeable of doing it.
Ity appears also that maybe God and you are not interested in helping me to understand and learn from others.
All the best.
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Mick Fenner;1378519 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378398]
When I can see and hear a "God" say what you said above then I may believe it.
Again you have proved your God isnt able to do what you can do, speak to ALL people, or maybe he is like you and speaks to one or two but is unable to preach to ALL. Is that lack of common sense and logic or incapeable of doing it.
Ity appears also that maybe God and you are not interested in helping me to understand and learn from others.
All the best.
I am sure you can find people who are interested in " Making you believe in God", the internet is full of them, I simply am not one of them. And the time will come when every human will see God and hear his voice; just not today. I am not one to say when God will do that, I simply don't know. I just know that I don't need anyone to make me believe, the evidence is sufficent enough for me.
When I can see and hear a "God" say what you said above then I may believe it.
Again you have proved your God isnt able to do what you can do, speak to ALL people, or maybe he is like you and speaks to one or two but is unable to preach to ALL. Is that lack of common sense and logic or incapeable of doing it.
Ity appears also that maybe God and you are not interested in helping me to understand and learn from others.
All the best.
I am sure you can find people who are interested in " Making you believe in God", the internet is full of them, I simply am not one of them. And the time will come when every human will see God and hear his voice; just not today. I am not one to say when God will do that, I simply don't know. I just know that I don't need anyone to make me believe, the evidence is sufficent enough for me.
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So would you agree in human terms that his logic and common sense are very limited. I do not wish somebody to make me belive anything I just wish to discuss what a Giod is and proof that it is true and not as it seems a figment of peoples imagination. Who of the people who said they have seen and heard a God are correct as to the words that God said. Do you know the words your God said and if so what were they are where did you read or hear them. What is the value of a God if only a "few" know the correct words he spoke and there meanings. All the best.
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Mickiel;1378514 wrote: Whats it feel like CJ; to be the only one in your group to at least try and debate me? Whats it feel like, to be the only one that is preventing a route? Whats it feel like to be the only one CJ? The only one trying to stop a juggernault.
I feel for you Cj, because I am an only one myself.
I am not sure you would understand how I feel because you have that wall up around you,and unfortunately you can't really tell how many people are outside of it. If you didn't have that wall maybe you could see why I can't really describe to you what it is like out here(you have to take down your wall to see it yourself), but with the wall up you can't understand any answer to that question. With that wall up I doubt you can have any type of sympathy or empathy for me or any other person outside of that wall, since you already have explained through your previous post the only things that matters happens inside of your wall you can only have sympathy/empathy for your self. As for your juggernaut hopefully it gets here soon the knock down this wall of yours. At least your making some progress in noticing that there are people outside of your wall because I appaerantly am in a group.
I feel for you Cj, because I am an only one myself.
I am not sure you would understand how I feel because you have that wall up around you,and unfortunately you can't really tell how many people are outside of it. If you didn't have that wall maybe you could see why I can't really describe to you what it is like out here(you have to take down your wall to see it yourself), but with the wall up you can't understand any answer to that question. With that wall up I doubt you can have any type of sympathy or empathy for me or any other person outside of that wall, since you already have explained through your previous post the only things that matters happens inside of your wall you can only have sympathy/empathy for your self. As for your juggernaut hopefully it gets here soon the knock down this wall of yours. At least your making some progress in noticing that there are people outside of your wall because I appaerantly am in a group.
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Mick Fenner;1378576 wrote: So would you agree in human terms that his logic and common sense are very limited. I do not wish somebody to make me belive anything I just wish to discuss what a Giod is and proof that it is true and not as it seems a figment of peoples imagination. Who of the people who said they have seen and heard a God are correct as to the words that God said. Do you know the words your God said and if so what were they are where did you read or hear them. What is the value of a God if only a "few" know the correct words he spoke and there meanings. All the best.
The logic and common sense of it are not limited, we are limited! I have never personally seen or heard God. The words of God are avialible in the bible for anybody to read. The value of God is grossly underestimated by humans unaware. We cannot determine Gods value, because we do not know him. I have discussed God with thousands of people, never trying to convince them or think for them. It falls to God to prove himself to a human, thats Gods responsibility, not mine.
And believe me, when he wants to prove himself to a human, he most certainly knows how to do that. Hes just not doing it universally at this time. And theres nothing anybody can do about that.
The logic and common sense of it are not limited, we are limited! I have never personally seen or heard God. The words of God are avialible in the bible for anybody to read. The value of God is grossly underestimated by humans unaware. We cannot determine Gods value, because we do not know him. I have discussed God with thousands of people, never trying to convince them or think for them. It falls to God to prove himself to a human, thats Gods responsibility, not mine.
And believe me, when he wants to prove himself to a human, he most certainly knows how to do that. Hes just not doing it universally at this time. And theres nothing anybody can do about that.
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Mickiel;1378610 wrote: The logic and common sense of it are not limited, we are limited! I have never personally seen or heard God. The words of God are avialible in the bible for anybody to read. The value of God is grossly underestimated by humans unaware. We cannot determine Gods value, because we do not know him. I have discussed God with thousands of people, never trying to convince them or think for them. It falls to God to prove himself to a human, thats Gods responsibility, not mine.
And believe me, when he wants to prove himself to a human, he most certainly knows how to do that. Hes just not doing it universally at this time. And theres nothing anybody can do about that.
Your common sense is limited by the wall you built around yourself. I hope this Juggernaut God has someway of tearing it down for you.
And believe me, when he wants to prove himself to a human, he most certainly knows how to do that. Hes just not doing it universally at this time. And theres nothing anybody can do about that.
Your common sense is limited by the wall you built around yourself. I hope this Juggernaut God has someway of tearing it down for you.
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littleCJelkton;1378611 wrote: Your common sense is limited by the wall you built around yourself. I hope this Juggernaut God has someway of tearing it down for you.
I may as well use the wall while I have it. Notice that I never allow your consistancy to distract me from the subject of post; it is you who are continually knocking, continually asking, continually insulting, and continually frustrated. Thats the side of the wall you are on. That is your present experience; this is what you live; tone deaf toward Gods reality. And I understand that. But I am not tone deaf toward your reality; I know what it is to live without God, we both are living without him. I just believe in him.
I may as well use the wall while I have it. Notice that I never allow your consistancy to distract me from the subject of post; it is you who are continually knocking, continually asking, continually insulting, and continually frustrated. Thats the side of the wall you are on. That is your present experience; this is what you live; tone deaf toward Gods reality. And I understand that. But I am not tone deaf toward your reality; I know what it is to live without God, we both are living without him. I just believe in him.
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Mickiel;1378625 wrote: I may as well use the wall while I have it. Notice that I never allow your consistancy to distract me from the subject of post; it is you who are continually knocking, continually asking, continually insulting, and continually frustrated. Thats the side of the wall you are on. That is your present experience; this is what you live; tone deaf toward Gods reality. And I understand that. But I am not tone deaf toward your reality; I know what it is to live without God, we both are living without him. I just believe in him.
Use your wall while you have it, is this foreshadowing that your wall will comedown soon? You are tone deaf to my reality because it doesn't involve god and it is a reality that is outside the walled in reality you have appearently created for you, yourself, and I or God, God, and God. I know what God is explained to me to be and I follow what common sense tells me to believe is real, and but in your reality what is real, and what is common sense is not what it happens to be outside of your wall because out here 0+0=0 not 1 until you can show me where 0+0=1 I have no way of understanding your reality, but I will continue to prove that 0+0=0 because 0+0 does equal 0.
Use your wall while you have it, is this foreshadowing that your wall will comedown soon? You are tone deaf to my reality because it doesn't involve god and it is a reality that is outside the walled in reality you have appearently created for you, yourself, and I or God, God, and God. I know what God is explained to me to be and I follow what common sense tells me to believe is real, and but in your reality what is real, and what is common sense is not what it happens to be outside of your wall because out here 0+0=0 not 1 until you can show me where 0+0=1 I have no way of understanding your reality, but I will continue to prove that 0+0=0 because 0+0 does equal 0.
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littleCJelkton;1378651 wrote:
until you can show me where 0+0=1 I have no way of understanding your reality, but I will continue to prove that 0+0=0 because 0+0 does equal 0.
I hold no intrest in showing you anything; you are supposed to be as you already are; why should I try and change what God has made? Who am I to change what God has done? Who can starghten what God has bent? God molds one this way, another that way; still another a complettely different way. It is he who is the master potter, we are the clay.
until you can show me where 0+0=1 I have no way of understanding your reality, but I will continue to prove that 0+0=0 because 0+0 does equal 0.
I hold no intrest in showing you anything; you are supposed to be as you already are; why should I try and change what God has made? Who am I to change what God has done? Who can starghten what God has bent? God molds one this way, another that way; still another a complettely different way. It is he who is the master potter, we are the clay.
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Mickiel;1378655 wrote: I hold no intrest in showing you anything; you are supposed to be as you already are; why should I try and change what God has made? Who am I to change what God has done? Who can starghten what God has bent? God molds one this way, another that way; still another a complettely different way. It is he who is the master potter, we are the clay.
I am not always this way though, neither are you him us them or they, and neither is/was/or will be GOD, Allah, Zues, Rah, Odin, Yaweh, or siddhartha gautama. I am not sure what clay or metal is you are talking about, but it is not metal or clay that I know of where is this clay and metal where is the potting wheel, who mined the metal, or dug the clay. If we're getting stuff from the ground how about we throw Atabei, or Gaia in there i am sure you can get this metal or clay from them, it can be just as easy or as hard give you the metal and clay need for you blacksmithing or pottery as they also hold the same I have to believe in them for them to be real 0+0=0 if i don't believe in 1's status-quo.
I am not always this way though, neither are you him us them or they, and neither is/was/or will be GOD, Allah, Zues, Rah, Odin, Yaweh, or siddhartha gautama. I am not sure what clay or metal is you are talking about, but it is not metal or clay that I know of where is this clay and metal where is the potting wheel, who mined the metal, or dug the clay. If we're getting stuff from the ground how about we throw Atabei, or Gaia in there i am sure you can get this metal or clay from them, it can be just as easy or as hard give you the metal and clay need for you blacksmithing or pottery as they also hold the same I have to believe in them for them to be real 0+0=0 if i don't believe in 1's status-quo.
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Mickiel;1378285 wrote: [QUOTE=Adstar;1378278]
I hold no intrest in religion, I am not intrested in christianity, and I hold no intrest in you.
Peace.
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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I hold no intrest in religion, I am not intrested in christianity, and I hold no intrest in you.
Peace.
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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Adstar;1379052 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378285]
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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Hello Adstar, why shoukld a person know a Jesus to be able to love. I have no kniowledge of a Jesus only words said by people who said they were from Jesus. The person is not important but what they say and do might be and we should listen, learn and discuss them just as I do with what you say. I think what Mickiel said was lacking in the love of people and lack of interest. Kind regards.
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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Hello Adstar, why shoukld a person know a Jesus to be able to love. I have no kniowledge of a Jesus only words said by people who said they were from Jesus. The person is not important but what they say and do might be and we should listen, learn and discuss them just as I do with what you say. I think what Mickiel said was lacking in the love of people and lack of interest. Kind regards.
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Adstar;1379052 wrote:
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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I think we have came to the conclusion that GOD for Mickel exists inside his Wall therefore is probably not the GOD you know of, the one who is the Father of Jesus so that rules that out, but love of Jesus or belief in Jesus's father is not a prerequisite for holding a deep interest for anyone, though not communicating from behind a wall is probably a good start for holding an interest in others. Especially those who are beyond that wall.
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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I think we have came to the conclusion that GOD for Mickel exists inside his Wall therefore is probably not the GOD you know of, the one who is the Father of Jesus so that rules that out, but love of Jesus or belief in Jesus's father is not a prerequisite for holding a deep interest for anyone, though not communicating from behind a wall is probably a good start for holding an interest in others. Especially those who are beyond that wall.
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Adstar;1379052 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378285]
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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I have no intrest in you whatsoever.
If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't.
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I have no intrest in you whatsoever.
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Mick Fenner;1379067 wrote: [QUOTE=Adstar;1379052]
Hello Adstar, why shoukld a person know a Jesus to be able to love. I have no kniowledge of a Jesus only words said by people who said they were from Jesus. The person is not important but what they say and do might be and we should listen, learn and discuss them just as I do with what you say. I think what Mickiel said was lacking in the love of people and lack of interest. Kind regards.
I don't know Jesus, and I don't know these people. I am not intrested in these people, but I am interested in knowing Jesus. I just don't know him; not today.
Hello Adstar, why shoukld a person know a Jesus to be able to love. I have no kniowledge of a Jesus only words said by people who said they were from Jesus. The person is not important but what they say and do might be and we should listen, learn and discuss them just as I do with what you say. I think what Mickiel said was lacking in the love of people and lack of interest. Kind regards.
I don't know Jesus, and I don't know these people. I am not intrested in these people, but I am interested in knowing Jesus. I just don't know him; not today.
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littleCJelkton;1379154 wrote: I think we have came to the conclusion that GOD for Mickel exists inside his Wall therefore is probably not the GOD you know of, the one who is the Father of Jesus so that rules that out, but love of Jesus or belief in Jesus's father is not a prerequisite for holding a deep interest for anyone, though not communicating from behind a wall is probably a good start for holding an interest in others. Especially those who are beyond that wall.
I agree, knowing Jesus is not a prerequisite for holding an intrest in anyone. If there is anyone on this site I am developing an intrest in CJ; it would be you. Now I think you are interesting; because I see certain things in you that remind me of God. You are longsuffering; you have put up with me for a long time; and still have not given up. That reminds me of the God I believe in. You have walked further in your disagreement than anyonelse here has; That reminds me of God.
If I compare you to even the believers in God I have encountered here; even they don't have those qualitys. So I respect you for that CJ; at least I know where your comming from. Even though I disagree with you; your ways have garnered my respect.
I agree, knowing Jesus is not a prerequisite for holding an intrest in anyone. If there is anyone on this site I am developing an intrest in CJ; it would be you. Now I think you are interesting; because I see certain things in you that remind me of God. You are longsuffering; you have put up with me for a long time; and still have not given up. That reminds me of the God I believe in. You have walked further in your disagreement than anyonelse here has; That reminds me of God.
If I compare you to even the believers in God I have encountered here; even they don't have those qualitys. So I respect you for that CJ; at least I know where your comming from. Even though I disagree with you; your ways have garnered my respect.
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Mick Fenner;1379067 wrote: [QUOTE=Adstar;1379052]
Hello Adstar, why shoukld a person know a Jesus to be able to love.
Where did i say that? .... Read my post again. I never said any such thing.
I have no kniowledge of a Jesus only words said by people who said they were from Jesus.
We all have the knowledge of good and evil. Part of that Good is Love.
The person is not important but what they say and do might be and we should listen, learn and discuss them just as I do with what you say. I think what Mickiel said was lacking in the love of people and lack of interest. Kind regards.
My post to Michael was a convicting one. Not one designed to condemn but one designed to provoke self introspection. If Michael reads the Words of Jesus he will see that he should not be uncaring for other people. Because all people are brothers to a follower of Jesus. He should desire that others believe as He does if he believes he has the way to eternal life.
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Hello Adstar, why shoukld a person know a Jesus to be able to love.
Where did i say that? .... Read my post again. I never said any such thing.
I have no kniowledge of a Jesus only words said by people who said they were from Jesus.
We all have the knowledge of good and evil. Part of that Good is Love.
The person is not important but what they say and do might be and we should listen, learn and discuss them just as I do with what you say. I think what Mickiel said was lacking in the love of people and lack of interest. Kind regards.
My post to Michael was a convicting one. Not one designed to condemn but one designed to provoke self introspection. If Michael reads the Words of Jesus he will see that he should not be uncaring for other people. Because all people are brothers to a follower of Jesus. He should desire that others believe as He does if he believes he has the way to eternal life.
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littleCJelkton;1379154 wrote: I think we have came to the conclusion that GOD for Mickel exists inside his Wall therefore is probably not the GOD you know of, the one who is the Father of Jesus so that rules that out, but love of Jesus or belief in Jesus's father is not a prerequisite for holding a deep interest for anyone, though not communicating from behind a wall is probably a good start for holding an interest in others. Especially those who are beyond that wall.
If Michael does not care about others thoughts or their thoughts on his thoughts then one must ask why post them in public forum? If Michael wants to be left alone inside his wall then why does he poke his head over the top and declare his thoughts?
Something just does not add up here.
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If Michael does not care about others thoughts or their thoughts on his thoughts then one must ask why post them in public forum? If Michael wants to be left alone inside his wall then why does he poke his head over the top and declare his thoughts?
Something just does not add up here.
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Oh I care about the thoughts of certain people, just not yours. Your one of those christians who condemns others because of their unbelief; I don't care how christians who think like you talk about their condemnation of humans. And I couldcareless how they think.
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Adstar;1379163 wrote: If Michael does not care about others thoughts or their thoughts on his thoughts then one must ask why post them in public forum? If Michael wants to be left alone inside his wall then why does he poke his head over the top and declare his thoughts?
Something just does not add up here.
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don't try to add things up with Mickel the conclusion has already been made that 0+0 does not equal 0 in the within the wall.
Something just does not add up here.
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don't try to add things up with Mickel the conclusion has already been made that 0+0 does not equal 0 in the within the wall.
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Mickiel;1379175 wrote: Oh I care about the thoughts of certain people, just not yours. Your one of those christians who condemns others because of their unbelief; I don't care how christians who think like you talk about their condemnation of humans. And I couldcareless how they think.
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So be it.
But it is a good thing that you revealed that you did not know Jesus today. That lets everyone know that your not a follower of Jesus. That way they will not place any authority in the message that you give about Jesus.
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So be it.
But it is a good thing that you revealed that you did not know Jesus today. That lets everyone know that your not a follower of Jesus. That way they will not place any authority in the message that you give about Jesus.
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Adstar;1379305 wrote:
So be it.
But it is a good thing that you revealed that you did not know Jesus today. That lets everyone know that your not a follower of Jesus. That way they will not place any authority in the message that you give about Jesus.
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My words have their own power, and I couldcareless where people think that power comes from. I am not a follower of christians; I believe in the biblical message. And I walk alone in my belief. I am a believer in God and Jesus, and I have yet to meet them; I do not have their spirit yet; and I hold absolutely no need to lie about that.
Nor do I " Need" any endorsement from people about my beliefs in God.
So be it.
But it is a good thing that you revealed that you did not know Jesus today. That lets everyone know that your not a follower of Jesus. That way they will not place any authority in the message that you give about Jesus.
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My words have their own power, and I couldcareless where people think that power comes from. I am not a follower of christians; I believe in the biblical message. And I walk alone in my belief. I am a believer in God and Jesus, and I have yet to meet them; I do not have their spirit yet; and I hold absolutely no need to lie about that.
Nor do I " Need" any endorsement from people about my beliefs in God.
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Well may God have mercy on you and move you to embrace the Love of the truth. May you have eternity with Him.
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PS: You cannot believe someone you have confessed not to know. Only when you know them can one believe them. Believing that God exists is a good first step.
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PS: You cannot believe someone you have confessed not to know. Only when you know them can one believe them. Believing that God exists is a good first step.
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Adstar;1379399 wrote: Well may God have mercy on you and move you to embrace the Love of the truth. May you have eternity with Him.
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PS: You cannot believe someone you have confessed not to know. Only when you know them can one believe them. Believing that God exists is a good first step.
I certainly disagree with you, I do not have to know God to believe in him. I didnot know Sojourner Truth, Fredrick Douglass or Martin Luther King jr., but I believed in them because of their works for my people. I do not know God or Jesus, but I believe in them because of their works for humanity.
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PS: You cannot believe someone you have confessed not to know. Only when you know them can one believe them. Believing that God exists is a good first step.
I certainly disagree with you, I do not have to know God to believe in him. I didnot know Sojourner Truth, Fredrick Douglass or Martin Luther King jr., but I believed in them because of their works for my people. I do not know God or Jesus, but I believe in them because of their works for humanity.
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To get back on topic; Is God Real? Is he just a figment of human imagination? One of our hopeful dreams? I have looked at it scientifically, historically, emotionally and through archaeology; and one can find evidence of God through all those avenues. Well what about logically? Is God existing logical?
And I want to go into the Logic of God being real.
And I want to go into the Logic of God being real.
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Mickiel;1379415 wrote: I certainly disagree with you, I do not have to know God to believe in him. I didnot know Sojourner Truth, Fredrick Douglass or Martin Luther King jr., but I believed in them because of their works for my people. I do not know God or Jesus, but I believe in them because of their works for humanity.
Well I think you getting confused with knowing and "knowing he or she is real" with believing or "believing he/she is real", but though it wouldn't be the first in a world behind a wall where 0+0=1 and 1+1=0 their is a distinct blur between knowing and believing that allows for this GOD of your to exist outside of that wall it is a little bit more clear (there are pictures, and books and letters written by those people and that account for those peoples words directly Sojourner Truth, Fredrick Douglass, and in King Jr's case their are people alive today that knew him as a person.) non of which can be said of this GOD as all accounts of GOD are not by GOD but by someone else, usually through someone else after that, and after that, then another person doesn't like the persons account of GOD before him/her so he/she changes it to his or her liking, then tells it to another person and on...., and ..., on which gives you the option to change the story however you want to fit inside the realm of thinking that is behind your wall. Though GOD and all the stories in the book(s) of GOD aren't the only one where the story was altered to show more fantastical stretches of that are based loosely on real people and accounts, there is King Arthur, Beowulf, Paul Bunyan, and Pecos Bill I fit Jesus, Moses, John, Muhammad, Noah, all in that category of Stories of stretched truths and over fantasized details of what were real people but because of the warping of the stories over time are shade's of who they really were.
Well I think you getting confused with knowing and "knowing he or she is real" with believing or "believing he/she is real", but though it wouldn't be the first in a world behind a wall where 0+0=1 and 1+1=0 their is a distinct blur between knowing and believing that allows for this GOD of your to exist outside of that wall it is a little bit more clear (there are pictures, and books and letters written by those people and that account for those peoples words directly Sojourner Truth, Fredrick Douglass, and in King Jr's case their are people alive today that knew him as a person.) non of which can be said of this GOD as all accounts of GOD are not by GOD but by someone else, usually through someone else after that, and after that, then another person doesn't like the persons account of GOD before him/her so he/she changes it to his or her liking, then tells it to another person and on...., and ..., on which gives you the option to change the story however you want to fit inside the realm of thinking that is behind your wall. Though GOD and all the stories in the book(s) of GOD aren't the only one where the story was altered to show more fantastical stretches of that are based loosely on real people and accounts, there is King Arthur, Beowulf, Paul Bunyan, and Pecos Bill I fit Jesus, Moses, John, Muhammad, Noah, all in that category of Stories of stretched truths and over fantasized details of what were real people but because of the warping of the stories over time are shade's of who they really were.
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littleCJelkton;1379572 wrote: Well I think you getting confused with knowing and "knowing he or she is real" with believing or "believing he/she is real", but though it wouldn't be the first in a world behind a wall where 0+0=1 and 1+1=0 their is a distinct blur between knowing and believing that allows for this GOD of your to exist outside of that wall it is a little bit more clear (there are pictures, and books and letters written by those people and that account for those peoples words directly Sojourner Truth, Fredrick Douglass, and in King Jr's case their are people alive today that knew him as a person.) non of which can be said of this GOD as all accounts of GOD are not by GOD but by someone else, usually through someone else after that, and after that, then another person doesn't like the persons account of GOD before him/her so he/she changes it to his or her liking, then tells it to another person and on...., and ..., on which gives you the option to change the story however you want to fit inside the realm of thinking that is behind your wall. Though GOD and all the stories in the book(s) of GOD aren't the only one where the story was altered to show more fantastical stretches of that are based loosely on real people and accounts, there is King Arthur, Beowulf, Paul Bunyan, and Pecos Bill I fit Jesus, Moses, John, Muhammad, Noah, all in that category of Stories of stretched truths and over fantasized details of what were real people but because of the warping of the stories over time are shade's of who they really were.
I disagree, we have reliable witnesses and writers in history concerning both God and Jesus. They were recorded by Tertullian, Origen, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Suetonius, The Quran, Thallus, The Talmud, Lucian, Celsus, Tacitus and Sextus Julius Africanus. And another 40 different authors in the bible. This is sufficent for me.
I disagree, we have reliable witnesses and writers in history concerning both God and Jesus. They were recorded by Tertullian, Origen, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Suetonius, The Quran, Thallus, The Talmud, Lucian, Celsus, Tacitus and Sextus Julius Africanus. And another 40 different authors in the bible. This is sufficent for me.
Is God Real?
Mickiel;1379583 wrote: I disagree, we have reliable witnesses and writers in history concerning both God and Jesus. They were recorded by Tertullian, Origen, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Suetonius, The Quran, Thallus, The Talmud, Lucian, Celsus, Tacitus and Sextus Julius Africanus. And another 40 different authors in the bible. This is sufficent for me.
These historical witnesses must be considered CJ, and these 52 witnesses must be considered; they are not myths, they are real historical figures in our definte history. And they lived way " Before the wall you think I consider things from behind." In your attack on me, you must then attack them and somehow discredit their place behind this wall. I await your discredit of them, each of them; I took the time to list them, take then the time to discredit each of them; show me why they are not proof of what they wrote and recorded in our history.
How will you tear down these walls in history? This is yet another chance for you to prove God is not real. Lets just say the world is watching how you will accomplish this. This Mickiel is showing God is real, how then will you show he is not? Now that I respect you; and that respect was earned; you show me he is not! We have debated long enough for you to know I willnot allow you to respond by going behind your wall. You must be as legit in your rebuttal, as legit you are in your passion to disprove these proofs.
These historical witnesses must be considered CJ, and these 52 witnesses must be considered; they are not myths, they are real historical figures in our definte history. And they lived way " Before the wall you think I consider things from behind." In your attack on me, you must then attack them and somehow discredit their place behind this wall. I await your discredit of them, each of them; I took the time to list them, take then the time to discredit each of them; show me why they are not proof of what they wrote and recorded in our history.
How will you tear down these walls in history? This is yet another chance for you to prove God is not real. Lets just say the world is watching how you will accomplish this. This Mickiel is showing God is real, how then will you show he is not? Now that I respect you; and that respect was earned; you show me he is not! We have debated long enough for you to know I willnot allow you to respond by going behind your wall. You must be as legit in your rebuttal, as legit you are in your passion to disprove these proofs.
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Is God Real?
Mickiel;1379583 wrote: I disagree, we have reliable witnesses and writers in history concerning both God and Jesus. They were recorded by Tertullian, Origen, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Suetonius, The Quran, Thallus, The Talmud, Lucian, Celsus, Tacitus and Sextus Julius Africanus. And another 40 different authors in the bible. This is sufficent for me.
REAPEATING yourself, none of those are accounts of anything except people with names similar to those existed at on point in time no evidenence of any GOD or evidence that GOD had a son
REAPEATING yourself, none of those are accounts of anything except people with names similar to those existed at on point in time no evidenence of any GOD or evidence that GOD had a son
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Is God Real?
Mickiel;1379605 wrote: These historical witnesses must be considered CJ, and these 52 witnesses must be considered; they are not myths, they are real historical figures in our definte history. And they lived way " Before the wall you think I consider things from behind." In your attack on me, you must then attack them and somehow discredit their place behind this wall. I await your discredit of them, each of them; I took the time to list them, take then the time to discredit each of them; show me why they are not proof of what they wrote and recorded in our history.
How will you tear down these walls in history? This is yet another chance for you to prove God is not real. Lets just say the world is watching how you will accomplish this. This Mickiel is showing God is real, how then will you show he is not? Now that I respect you; and that respect was earned; you show me he is not! We have debated long enough for you to know I willnot allow you to respond by going behind your wall. You must be as legit in your rebuttal, as legit you are in your passion to disprove these proofs.
I don't have to discredit them there are 1000 different stories on the people you just mentioned for every witness of that story so that makes 52000 different stories over the centuries maybe only 1% of which have 1% of any real historical fact I find no point in to to discredit something that already is I just point out that it already is even though in your wall you would like to think it is. In order for me to be able to show me GOD is not you must first show me he is I have yet to see it, and it is not me who built the wall it is you we could go back to the post where your wall was first shown by you explaining to us what matters, but I think you have full capability to read it for yourself.
How will you tear down these walls in history? This is yet another chance for you to prove God is not real. Lets just say the world is watching how you will accomplish this. This Mickiel is showing God is real, how then will you show he is not? Now that I respect you; and that respect was earned; you show me he is not! We have debated long enough for you to know I willnot allow you to respond by going behind your wall. You must be as legit in your rebuttal, as legit you are in your passion to disprove these proofs.
I don't have to discredit them there are 1000 different stories on the people you just mentioned for every witness of that story so that makes 52000 different stories over the centuries maybe only 1% of which have 1% of any real historical fact I find no point in to to discredit something that already is I just point out that it already is even though in your wall you would like to think it is. In order for me to be able to show me GOD is not you must first show me he is I have yet to see it, and it is not me who built the wall it is you we could go back to the post where your wall was first shown by you explaining to us what matters, but I think you have full capability to read it for yourself.
Is God Real?
Mickiel;1379548 wrote: To get back on topic; Is God Real? Is he just a figment of human imagination? One of our hopeful dreams? I have looked at it scientifically, historically, emotionally and through archaeology; and one can find evidence of God through all those avenues. Well what about logically? Is God existing logical?
And I want to go into the Logic of God being real.
Is it then " Logical" that God could be real? Well I think it makes sense. Its certainly reasonable that such an expanse as our universe could have been created by a God. Its reasonable that a God made those things, as opposed to them making themselves. Its certainly logical to assume God is real.
And I want to go into the Logic of God being real.
Is it then " Logical" that God could be real? Well I think it makes sense. Its certainly reasonable that such an expanse as our universe could have been created by a God. Its reasonable that a God made those things, as opposed to them making themselves. Its certainly logical to assume God is real.