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If no proof of God exists how come the US government still produces US dollar bills that says, " In GOD WE TRUST" Atheists who carry US dollar bills should not carry them in their wallets if they don`t believe in God. American atheists whose salaries are in US dollar bills that says, " In GOD WE TRUST" should rip these bills apart. Atheists who go to court should not vow before the court and say, "Yes, Honor!" if they are made to swear the truth and nothing but the truth and say, " So help me God!" Are Americans fools or not in saying, In God We Trust? While her American atheists and scientists who get salaries from the US government still continue using these US dollar bills in buying e.g. house and lots, cars, appliances, etc., that says, " IN GOD WE TRUST?" Why that`s hypocrisy!
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Perhaps you've not heard of affirming. Obviously there are provisions in every Western court system to affirm without calling on a deity for assistance. Presumably courts elsewhere, if it's obligatory, are closed to non-believers.

As for the currency, by all means refuse to handle any offensively-worded paper.
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spot;1388859 wrote: .

As for the currency, by all means refuse to handle any offensively-worded paper.


My point here is that why continue produce paper money when it has the word God in it when atheists-scientists who does not believe in God should not handle such currency. They should protest to the US government that such thing, In GOD WE TRUST, does not exist. Why do they continue to tell anybody there`s no God when the fact is they continue to use the thing that says, In GOD WE TRUST? Why that`s hypocrisy.
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It's a bit of paper with words on it and only has the significance you apply to it. Atheists, and indeed secularists often humour the religious over things they don't regard as significant out of respect for their right to their beliefs only to find triumphant crowing their thanks. Still, I'm not american so I really don't care. Ever been to a doctor? They use science rather than trusting to god so surely a Christian going to a doctor is showing little faith in god, live or die it is up to him. Hypocritical or what.
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gmc;1388865 wrote: It's a bit of paper with words on it and only has the significance you apply to it. Atheists, and indeed secularists often humour the religious over things they don't regard as significant out of respect for their right to their beliefs only to find triumphant crowing their thanks. Still, I'm not american so I really don't care. Ever been to a doctor? They use science rather than trusting to god so surely a Christian going to a doctor is showing little faith in god, live or die it is up to him. Hypocritical or what.


I`m a government physician. I`m God`s instrument of healing. A Christian does not go to an atheist doctor. They go to a doctor who believes in Balaramaji Christ Jesus.
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rajakrsna;1388860 wrote: when atheists-scientists who does not believe in God should not handle such currency That's your error of logic. Why "should not"? Are they superstitious, these atheists-scientists? Might the bogeyman bite them if they handle it? Rational atheists-scientists would just ignore the meaningless text on the currency.
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spot;1388875 wrote: That's your error of logic. Why "should not"? Are they superstitious, these atheists-scientists? Might the bogeyman bite them if they handle it? Rational atheists-scientists would just ignore the meaningless text on the currency.


That`s precisely the point. Why can`t they ( atheists-scientists ) not ignore if they consider it pointless the texts in the Bible, the Srimad Bhagavatam, The Gita, The Koran, etc.
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rajakrsna;1388876 wrote: That`s precisely the point. Why can`t they ( atheists-scientists ) not ignore if they consider it pointless the texts in the Bible, the Srimad Bhagavatam, The Gita, The Koran, etc.


They do! It's you that has the issue with using the currency, not the atheists-scientists! Show us an example of an atheist-scientist claiming problems with the wording on currency, that would be a good first step. Then we can see whether they have difficulty in using it.
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spot;1388877 wrote: They do! It's you that has the issue with using the currency, not the atheists-scientists! Show us an example of an atheist-scientist claiming problems with the wording on currency, that would be a good first step. Then we can see whether they have difficulty in using it.


Problem with you guys is you always say, " Show us proof..show us proof of this.. show us proof of that.." That its always us believers who should prove beyond reasonable doubt you are all guilty in not believing the existence of God. That it is illogical and not logical. That we are wrong and you are correct. Atheists-scientists deny in the existence of God simply because they are ASURAS.

In Hinduism, the Asuras (Sanskrit: असुर) are a group of power-seeking deities, sometimes considered sinful and materialistic.

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rajakrsna;1388881 wrote: Problem with you guys is you always say, " Show us proof..show us proof of this.. show us proof of that.." That its always us believers who should prove beyond reasonable doubt you are all guilty in not believing the existence of God. That it is illogical and not logical. That we are wrong and you are correct. Atheists-scientists deny in the existence of God simply because they are ASURAS.

In Hinduism, the Asuras (Sanskrit: असुर) are a group of power-seeking deities, sometimes considered sinful and materialistic.

Asura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWhy do you perform tests on patients or research a diagnosis instead of simply walking into an examination room and pronouncing a condition, praying over the sick person and healing them by faith? Might it be because you like proof of what ails the patient so you can properly treat their condition?
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rajakrsna;1388866 wrote: I`m a government physician. I`m God`s instrument of healing. A Christian does not go to an atheist doctor. They go to a doctor who believes in Balaramaji Christ Jesus.


Where I come from doctors don't usually display they relgious beliefs or lack thereof on the door of their rooms. So are christians/believers meants to ask their doctor if he/she is an atheist or not??
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rajakrsna;1388881 wrote: Problem with you guys is you always say, " Show us proof..show us proof of this.. show us proof of that.." That its always us believers who should prove beyond reasonable doubt you are all guilty in not believing the existence of God. That it is illogical and not logical. That we are wrong and you are correct. Atheists-scientists deny in the existence of God simply because they are ASURAS.

In Hinduism, the Asuras (Sanskrit: असुर) are a group of power-seeking deities, sometimes considered sinful and materialistic.

Asura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You are the one making the claim that god exists so why shouldn't you be asked to prove it? It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist you can only prove it does or deduce it might from other evidence.

You ask others to follow your word and believe in god and then use fear and intimidation when you don't get your own way. You can't last more than a few minutes before you are at the throats of your co believers willing to kill each other over whose way of worshipping is correct. Why should anyone take you seriously, at best believers are harmless at worse they are deluded lunatics that cause misery throughout the world and dangerous when you get too much power.
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rajakrsna;1388876 wrote: That`s precisely the point. Why can`t they ( atheists-scientists ) not ignore if they consider it pointless the texts in the Bible, the Srimad Bhagavatam, The Gita, The Koran, etc.Because they are not attempting to create contraversy(while a select minority may) as it seems you like to do, "stir the pot" if you will. You're equating "atheists-scientists" as heretics much as they were treated during the times of the inquisition, which is to completely miss the point of the very reason you'd asked "If no proof of God exists how come the US government still produces US dollar bills that says, " In GOD WE TRUST".

You're not asking, you're demanding they not use it.
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jones jones;1388898 wrote: Where I come from doctors don't usually display they relgious beliefs or lack thereof on the door of their rooms. So are christians/believers meants to ask their doctor if he/she is an atheist or not??


When you go inside a Christian doctor`s office, you will get to see Christ written all over his office. It`s because a Christian doctor is proud of his faith knowing there`s Balarama Christ Jesus to guide and heal his patients. A Christian doctor does not believe he is the one responsible for healing his patients. He thinks its Christ Who heals his patients through him. If in case the patients dies, it means it`s the end of the road for his patient. And he rejoices knowing that his patient will be resurrected in the next life again as a human being ( transmigration of the atomic soul ). We are all eternal. So, what`s the fuzz? Only the atheists-scientists are making this fuzzy muzzy of God`s non-existence. They think this is only life they got. They are so frantic in debunking the beliefs of men and women who believe in God because of envy. To each his own, man.
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K.Snyder;1388921 wrote:

You're not asking, you're demanding they not use it.


Yes!!! I`m demanding and urging all the atheists-scientists not use the US dollar bills with, " IN GOD WE TRUST " on it. It would be hypocrisy on their part to use this currency while at same time denying the existence of God. You can not have your cake and eat it, too.
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gmc;1388918 wrote: You are the one making the claim that god exists so why shouldn't you be asked to prove it? It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist you can only prove it does or deduce it might from other evidence.




You atheists have this agenda of telling a believer of God to prove something which does not exist? If Krishna did not exist 5000 years how come he still exists today in all the hearts of the believers? If Christ did not exist 2000 years ago, how come he still exist today in the hearts of those who believe? You guys envy our faith simply because you don`t have feet to stand. You atheists-scientists are all sitting on wheelchairs because you don`t have faith or feet.
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Ahso!;1388886 wrote: Why do you perform tests on patients or research a diagnosis instead of simply walking into an examination room and pronouncing a condition, praying over the sick person and healing them by faith? Might it be because you like proof of what ails the patient so you can properly treat their condition?


If I won`t be performing tests then that would be unscientific. Christian doctors are medical scientists who believe in the existence of God. Atheist doctors are medical scientists who deny in the existence of God. The latter thinks they are god.
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rajakrsna;1388982 wrote: Yes!!! I`m demanding and urging all the atheists-scientists not use the US dollar bills with, " IN GOD WE TRUST " on it. It would be hypocrisy on their part to use this currency while at same time denying the existence of God. You can not have your cake and eat it, too.No. You're wrong.

The day we revert back to bartering being the only way of life is the day they become hypocritical because it then suggests "atheists-scientists" have an option. The very start of a currency is enough to see how not hypocritical it is and further highlights just how irrelevant the entire thought is.
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Cry me a river, raj. Stop the victimization dance.
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Ahso!;1388989 wrote: Cry me a river, raj. Stop the victimization dance.


You are funny, Ahso. I like you, man. But Snyder. Oh, God! He is an incurable atheist.
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rajakrsna;1388981 wrote: When you go inside a Christian doctor`s office, you will get to see Christ written all over his office. It`s because a Christian doctor is proud of his faith knowing there`s Balarama Christ Jesus to guide and heal his patients. A Christian doctor does not believe he is the one responsible for healing his patients. He thinks its Christ Who heals his patients through him. If in case the patients dies, it means it`s the end of the road for his patient. And he rejoices knowing that his patient will be resurrected in the next life again as a human being ( transmigration of the atomic soul ). We are all eternal. So, what`s the fuzz? Only the atheists-scientists are making this fuzzy muzzy of God`s non-existence. They think this is only life they got. They are so frantic in debunking the beliefs of men and women who believe in God because of envy. To each his own, man.
Frankly, I have never read such garbage In my life. People like you are the religious nuts who are dangerous and get to cause wars. The teachings of Jesus Christ Is to accept all man and every man.

I have NEVER been Inside a Doctors surgery nor a hospital consultant and seen Christ written all over his office. How many Doctors worldwide do you think there are that are actually athiest's ? Probably thousands, which destroy's your argument here. Doctors rule by the hypocratic oath not religion..... You need to get out more.
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rajakrsna;1388998 wrote: You are funny, Ahso. I like you, man. But Snyder. Oh, God! He is an incurable atheist. You leave my Kevvy Wevvy Woo alone.
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oscar;1388999 wrote: The teachings of Jesus Christ Is to accept all man and every man.God only knows where you pick up your opinions but that one's wronger than most, even for you. Wow is that wrong. The teachings of Jesus are definitively discriminatory. I can't think of anything more discriminatory, off hand.
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spot;1389003 wrote: God only knows where you pick up your opinions but that one's wronger than most, even for you. Wow is that wrong. The teachings of Jesus are definitively discriminatory. I can't think of anything more discriminatory, off hand.


I can only apologise....... You seem to be mistaking me for someone else.



Someone who may value your opinion.

I however, will not engage your folly...
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oscar;1389004 wrote: I can only apologise....... You seem to be mistaking me for someone else.
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oscar;1388999 wrote: Frankly, I have never read such garbage In my life. People like you are the religious nuts who are dangerous and get to cause wars. The teachings of Jesus Christ Is to accept all man and every man.




I never heard an atheist who believed in Christ. Maybe it`s only you.
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rajakrsna;1388998 wrote: You are funny, Ahso. I like you, man. But Snyder. Oh, God! He is an incurable atheist.:wah:

"atheist" :yh_rotfl

You might be entertaining after all raj
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K.Snyder;1389011 wrote: :wah:

"atheist" :yh_rotfl

You might be entertaining after all raj I think Raj's definition of an Atheist Is anyone who doesn't lap up and agree with his every bigoted word.
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rajakrsna;1388857 wrote: If no proof of God exists how come the US government still produces US dollar bills that says, " In GOD WE TRUST"
Because there's no proof that the US dollar exists.
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K.Snyder;1389011 wrote: :wah:

"atheist" :yh_rotfl

You might be entertaining after all raj


Okay you are an asura.
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Accountable;1389014 wrote: Because there's no proof that the US dollar exists.


You know what US dollar I meant.
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oscar;1389013 wrote: I think Raj's definition of an Atheist Is anyone who doesn't lap up and agree with his every bigoted word.


Oh, so you believe in God?
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rajakrsna;1389021 wrote: You know what US dollar I meant.
You mean that piece of paper? That's not a dollar. That's a sheet of pulp that represents a dollar, much like a crucifix, Kaba, or a Bible represents God to various people. It's not the real thing, but people accept it as representative of the real thing, and use it as proof that the real thing exists. The real thing (be it God or the American dollar) doesn't exist in a physically definable way on this plane. People can only look at the evidence all around them and decide to believe, or not.
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Accountable;1389036 wrote: You mean that piece of paper? That's not a dollar. That's a sheet of pulp that represents a dollar, much like a crucifix, Kaba, or a Bible represents God to various people. It's not the real thing, but people accept it as representative of the real thing, and use it as proof that the real thing exists. The real thing (be it God or the American dollar) doesn't exist in a physically definable way on this plane. People can only look at the evidence all around them and decide to believe, or not.


My dear Accountable,

I know you are an accountant. Your logic is perfect. You are correct. The US dollar is a piece of sh...! & I wonder why ( if the US dollar is a piece of sh...! ) the US government placed on this piece of sh...! the words In GOD WE TRUST.

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rajakrsna;1389037 wrote: My dear Accountable, [Awww :yh_youkid]

I know you are an accountant. Your logic is perfect. You are correct. The US dollar is a piece of sh...! & I wonder why ( if the US dollar is a piece of sh...! ) the US government placed on this piece of sh...! the words In GOD WE TRUST. [Careful. Logic has a nasty way of drawing parallels.]

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Dollar is not physically definable -> God is not physically definable

Raj thinks the dollar is a piece of sh...! -> ..... :-3
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rajakrsna;1389020 wrote: Okay you are an asura.Well, you know raj, that very well may be...

I suppose to someone that feels they themselves are evil that I am raj...

But let's not get distracted to the intent of the thread, let's continue...
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rajakrsna;1389037 wrote: My dear Accountable,

I know you are an accountant. Your logic is perfect. You are correct. The US dollar is a piece of sh...! & I wonder why ( if the US dollar is a piece of sh...! ) the US government placed on this piece of sh...! the words In GOD WE TRUST.

Yours truly,

RajakrsnaSo if it is a "piece of sh...!" then that means it's either worth more than that you wipe your own a..! with or that you tend to agree with the expression "fight fire with fire"...
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oscar;1389013 wrote: I think Raj's definition of an Atheist Is anyone who doesn't lap up and agree with his every bigoted word.I doubt it's meant to be seen as bigotry oscar...
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rajakrsna;1388983 wrote: You atheists have this agenda of telling a believer of God to prove something which does not exist? If Krishna did not exist 5000 years how come he still exists today in all the hearts of the believers? If Christ did not exist 2000 years ago, how come he still exist today in the hearts of those who believe? You guys envy our faith simply because you don`t have feet to stand. You atheists-scientists are all sitting on wheelchairs because you don`t have faith or feet.


You're assuming they actually existed in the first place and that you are not delusional. The gods were brought in to being by early to help explain a world that at times made little sense and where bad things happened for no apparent reason. The god of the old testament is a variation on a common theme. Believe what you want, believe you have found some great truth if that is what you want to do. Why do you feel this compulsion to persuade everybody else you know something they don't?

The reverse of the dollar bill has pagan symbols on it does it not? A pyramid and the all seeing eye are most definitely pagan in origin however much Americans might try and rationalise it. The eye of horus any other name is still pagan. Maybe Christians should stop using dollar bills.

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Because there's no proof that the US dollar exists.


I've only ever seen pictures of them. Please send me some and I will send you some Scottish pound notes.
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According to Sojourner of No proof of God - Page 2 - Religious Education Forum



"It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor for our collective greatness, created out of difference. It's a metaphor for our striving for something that is greater than we now have. American ingenuity, drive, pluck, courage, wealth, know-how -- all are images of the "God" toward which we, as a nation strive. In the middle part of the last century, that metaphor was juxtaposed against the communist threat -- a threat which strove to swallow up individual importance. To communism, individuals don't matter -- only the whole matters. To Americans, individuals matter deeply, for we know that it is the individuals -- their differences and uniqueness -- that make the whole very strong. To say, "In God we trust," is to say that our greatness lies beyond what any one person can do, beyond what any one people can do. It says that individuals, celebrating their uniqueness together, can work miracles in societal life."
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Pains me to say it but an Englishman had a more common sense approach when he allegedly exhorted his troops to "Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry" He was a christian fundamentalist who was about to beat the **** out of his fellow Christians - the Catholics - in one of those interminable squabbles about who was the right kind of christian. It is of course Oliver Cromwell is of whom I speak.

It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor for our collective greatness, created out of difference. It's a metaphor for our striving for something that is greater than we now have. American ingenuity, drive, pluck, courage, wealth, know-how -- all are images of the "God" toward which we, as a nation strive. In the middle part of the last century, that metaphor was juxtaposed against the communist threat -- a threat which strove to swallow up individual importance. To communism, individuals don't matter -- only the whole matters. To Americans, individuals matter deeply, for we know that it is the individuals -- their differences and uniqueness -- that make the whole very strong. To say, "In God we trust," is to say that our greatness lies beyond what any one person can do, beyond what any one people can do. It says that individuals, celebrating their uniqueness together, can work miracles in societal life."


that's bollocks of course. The Wehrmacht had "God is with us" gott mit uns on their belt buckles they could have said much the same. It's a metaphor for our collective greatness, created out of difference. It's a metaphor for our striving for something that is greater than we now have. Hitler certainly believed he was doing god's work but many now think he was delusional is not actually mad. I think it's safe to assume any nation that thinks it is doing god's work and god is on their side and theirs alone is probably wrong. Course being an atheist it's not a matter I spend much time contemplating. God save us from the godly might be a better motto.
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gmc:

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Because there's no proof that the US dollar exists. I've only ever seen pictures of them. Please send me some and I will send you some Scottish pound notes.
Does Scotland now have its' own currency? I've been gone a long time.
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AnneBoleyn;1389279 wrote: gmc:

Does Scotland now have its' own currency? I've been gone a long time.That's the point he's making. ;)
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Accountable;1389290 wrote: That's the point he's making. ;)
Oh. :-2

Yes, of course. :D
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gmc;1389277 wrote:

Hitler certainly believed he was doing god's work but many now think he was delusional is not actually mad. I think it's safe to assume any nation that thinks it is doing god's work and god is on their side and theirs alone is probably wrong. Course being an atheist it's not a matter I spend much time contemplating. God save us from the godly might be a better motto.


If Britain-based historian Nicholas Goodricke-Clarke is to be believed, German Fuhrer Adolf Hitler was "compared to Kalki, the last avatar of Vishnu" by an Indian spiritualist, practitioner of occult and Nazi sympathiser from Kolkata, Savitri Devi.

Hitler once worshipped as Kalki in elite Kolkata homes
Om namo bagavate vasudevaya, " God is the Cause of All causes."
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AnneBoleyn;1389279 wrote: gmc:

Does Scotland now have its' own currency? I've been gone a long time.


Has had for centuries.

posted by rajakrsna

If Britain-based historian Nicholas Goodricke-Clarke is to be believed, German Fuhrer Adolf Hitler was "compared to Kalki, the last avatar of Vishnu" by an Indian spiritualist, practitioner of occult and Nazi sympathiser from Kolkata, Savitri Devi.


Sillier things have happened. If you can believe in deities then you can believe in anything

Hitler was a devout catholic who thought he was doing god's work



- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.


Do you wonder europeans are wary of America's apparent belief it is god's favourite nation with a mission to sort out the world.
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Scottish banknotes These are the recognised currency in Scotland, but are not legal tender. They are always accepted by traders in Scotland, and often in other parts of the United Kingdom. However, some people outside Scotland are unfamiliar with the notes and they are sometimes refused.[16] Institutions such as clearing banks, building societies and the Post Office will readily accept Scottish bank notes. Branches of the Scottish note-issuing banks situated in England dispense Bank of England notes and may not dispense their own notes from those branches.[17] Modern Scottish banknotes are denominated in pounds sterling, and are exactly the same value as Bank of England notes; they should not be confused with the former Pound Scots, a separate currency which was abolished in 1707.
Banknotes of the pound sterling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I spent time in Scotland, & I can't recall using or seeing anything other than the Bank of England notes, so thanks for the info gmc.
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AnneBoleyn;1389339 wrote: Banknotes of the pound sterling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I spent time in Scotland, & I can't recall using or seeing anything other than the Bank of England notes, so thanks for the info gmc.


You also get scottish and welsh pound coins. Butb it would be £5, £10 and £20 notes you would see a difference but unless you had them together with english ones it probably wouldn't register
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Just a heads up on the "In god we trust" on the US bills:

It was created during two religious upsurges - on coins in 1864, and on bills in 1957, and is, in fact, unsconstitutional based on the US Constitution's First Ammendment Free Exercise Clause. Or, it would be, had it been actually by the government. :)

It is issued by the Federal Reserve, which is not a government institution, but a private one, despite on popular belief in otherwise. It has its own non-government regulatory body, and is composed of twelve private banks and several trust funds.
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Townes;1391393 wrote: Just a heads up on the "In god we trust" on the US bills:

It was created during two religious upsurges - on coints in 1864, and on bills in 1957, and is, in fact, unsconstitutional based on the US Constitution's First Ammendment Free Exercise Clause. Or, it would be, had it been actually by the government. :)

It is issued by the Federal Reserve, which is not a government institution, but a private one, despite on popular belief in otherwise. It has its own non-government regulatory body, and is composed of twelve private banks and several trust funds.:yh_clap :yh_clap
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