Hiroshima Day

Post by **spot** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:53 pm

It's Hiroshima Day, if anyone feels like celebrating the explosion.

Who knows, if it's popular we could do it all over again three days from now.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:06 pm

I'm sure no one feels like celebrating! Maybe a minutes silence would be good.

Post by **spot** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Betty Boop;1399786 wrote: I'm sure no one feels like celebrating! Maybe a minutes silence would be good.

You know, if the Third Reich had won World War Two that's exactly what they'd be saying now about the Holocaust.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:25 pm

spot;1399788 wrote: You know, if the Third Reich had won World War Two that's exactly what they'd be saying now about the Holocaust.

They'd be saying what?? no one feels like celebrating, or a minutes silence would be good?

Speak plain English man!!!

Post by **spot** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:28 pm

Betty Boop;1399795 wrote: They'd be saying what?? no one feels like celebrating, or a minutes silence would be good?

Speak plain English man!!!

Both - they'd be saying "I'm sure no one feels like celebrating! Maybe a minutes silence would be good". I presume. I can't demonstrate it but it sounds quite likely.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:30 pm

spot;1399796 wrote: Both - they'd be saying "I'm sure no one feels like celebrating! Maybe a minutes silence would be good". I presume. I can't demonstrate it but it sounds quite likely.

You would baffle Dickens.

Post by **spot** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:35 pm

Betty Boop;1399798 wrote: You would baffle Dickens.

Only because the language I use has evolved so far from his pristine source. It's a matter of regret that I can't even tell which parts he'd wince at.

If you check, the bit you queried was actually fully quoted by me before I made my comment on it. The confusion, to whatever extent you feel it, is self-induced.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:40 pm

spot;1399800 wrote: Only because the language I use has evolved so far from his pristine source. It's a matter of regret that I can't even tell which parts he'd wince at.

If you check, the bit you queried was actually fully quoted by me before I made my comment on it. The confusion, to whatever extent you feel it, is self-induced.

Ok then you BAFFLE me, it was a pointless quotation of my post and a pointless response by yourself. Dickens would be wincing at you constantly, obviously.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:28 pm

I'll remember Tsutomu Yamaguchi instead. He didn't think Japan should start a war. He left his home in Nagasaki to go to Hiroshima for a business meeting. He was there when the bomb hit. He suffered serious burns but lived. Three days later, he was back at home in Nagasaki when the bomb was dropped there. He survived. He became a proponent of nuclear disarmament, later in life. He died in 2010 at the age of 93. I don't know if he was the luckiest or unluckiest man in the world.

Tsutomu Yamaguchi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:13 pm

If the Third Reich had won the war, there would be no such thing as "The Holocaust"

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:00 am

LarsMac;1399804 wrote: If the Third Reich had won the war, there would be no such thing as "The Holocaust"

There might not be the same name but the events were fixed regardless of the outcome of the war. I refer to the events, not to the label.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:30 am

Some deny the Holocaust ever happened. Probably the same people that think this planet is 6 thousand years old and dinosaur bones are a hoax.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:20 am

spot;1399779 wrote: It's Hiroshima Day, if anyone feels like celebrating the explosion.

Who knows, if it's popular we could do it all over again three days from now.

Is this an attempt at humour ?

Would you prefer the events were forgotten ?

Is Remembrance Sunday a 'Celebration' ?

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:49 am

Bruv;1399817 wrote: Is this an attempt at humour ?

Would you prefer the events were forgotten ?

Is Remembrance Sunday a 'Celebration' ?

It's not an attempt at humour, it's an attempt at starting a discussion of Hiroshima Day. Other than my attempt, I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC. I think it ought to be brought to mind.

As for celebrating the explosion - you find me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark, how's that.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:56 am

spot;1399820 wrote: It's not an attempt at humour, it's an attempt at starting a discussion of Hiroshima Day. Other than my attempt, I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC. I think it ought to be brought to mind.

As for celebrating the explosion - you find me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark, how's that.

I would bet all our American members here regret it ever happened.

Why is it ok for you to use the word 'celebration' when others can't call someone 'courageous'. You are abusing the use of the word celebration as it's only in your mind that you think Americans in the here and now would be swigging a beer and patting each other on their backs over Hiroshima.

Your anti america theme is now boring and tedious and because of the way you choose to portray events no one listens any more.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:52 am

Betty Boop;1399821 wrote: I would bet all our American members here regret it ever happened.

Why is it ok for you to use the word 'celebration' when others can't call someone 'courageous'. You are abusing the use of the word celebration as it's only in your mind that you think Americans in the here and now would be swigging a beer and patting each other on their backs over Hiroshima.

Your anti america theme is now boring and tedious and because of the way you choose to portray events no one listens any more.
There's a simple way to find out - bring me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark. I don't think you'll find one, not if they use the words in their natural sense the way I've done. Anyone can weasel out of meaning what's said if they juggle or qualify the words. In my dictionary, if you regret a thing then you wish it hadn't happened - you don't "regret... but...".

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:36 am

spot;1399823 wrote: There's a simple way to find out - bring me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark. I don't think you'll find one, not if they use the words in their natural sense the way I've done. Anyone can weasel out of meaning what's said if they juggle or qualify the words. In my dictionary, if you regret a thing then you wish it hadn't happened - you don't "regret... but...".

I myself don't know anyone who is happy it happened. Some may think it needed to happen but I have no idea if it needed to happen or not. We are told it helped end the war and possibly saved some lives, again I don't have proof either way. Some also tell us that if we weren't the first to develop and use the bomb that whom ever did develop it first would possibly use it on us, again I have no idea if this is fact or not.

I can truly say I wish the bombs were never used or even developed for that matter. Bombs that can end our existence are not something to celebrate nor use.

You think all Americans are happy that we dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Strange way of thinking. Oh I get it, you think ALL Americans love to kill people.

Damn ya got us all figured out.

Someone bring me an assault rifle, wait, anyone know where I can get a thermal nuclear weapon?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:48 am

I can't believe you guys are humoring this hate-filled bag of bile.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:59 am

spot;1399823 wrote: There's a simple way to find out - bring me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark. I don't think you'll find one, not if they use the words in their natural sense the way I've done. Anyone can weasel out of meaning what's said if they juggle or qualify the words. In my dictionary, if you regret a thing then you wish it hadn't happened - you don't "regret... but...".

I also regret that such a weapon was actually used against anyone. I regret that it was my country that used such a weapon.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:05 am

YZGI;1399826 wrote: You think all Americans are happy that we dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Strange way of thinking.

LarsMac;1399831 wrote: I also regret that such a weapon was actually used against anyone. I regret that it was my country that used such a weapon.

I've never met one yet who was prepared to be so unpatriotic as to say they regretted that their country used them, that's all. Nothing to do with happy about it - anyone can be unhappy about it - it's the wishing the Hiroshima bomb hadn't been dropped that I find unique. I apologise for starting the thread with the opinion that Americans have no regrets in the matter, since I've now met Americans who wish it hadn't happened. I've red about them but I never thought I'd get to talk to one directly.

Where do you stand on deliberately starting incendiary fires within civilian population centres, out of interest? Is that another regrettable series of events? Tokyo, March 1945, if we need an example. We Brits still officially celebrate the firebombing of civilian populations in Hamburg and Dresden, we dedicated a memorial to the crews of Bomber Command just this year and we never put any Axis commanders on trial for doing the same to Coventry and London, so you'd not be alone if you say you're fine with the idea.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:05 am

Accountable;1399829 wrote: I can't believe you guys are humoring this hate-filled bag of bile.

It's our job to educate the uneducated.:sneaky:

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:13 am

There were a lot of despicable acts carried out by the allies during that war.

Many justified them by pointing to the equally despicable acts carried out by the Axis.

There were many German cities bombed to ruins by Allied Bombers. Add Wurzburg to your list of firebombed cities.

The argument is whether the ends justified the actions. I think not, but I suspect I would find myself in the minority.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:14 am

spot;1399832 wrote: I've never met one yet who was prepared to be so unpatriotic as to say they regretted that their country used them, that's all. Nothing to do with happy about it - anyone can be unhappy about it - it's the wishing the Hiroshima bomb hadn't been dropped that I find unique. I apologise for starting the thread with the opinion that Americans have no regrets in the matter, since I've now met Americans who wish it hadn't happened. I've red about them but I never thought I'd get to talk to one directly.

Where do you stand on deliberately starting incendiary fires within civilian population centres, out of interest? Is that another regrettable series of events? Tokyo, March 1945, if we need an example. We Brits still officially celebrate the firebombing of civilian populations in Hamburg and Dresden, we dedicated a memorial to the crews of Bomber Command just this year and we never put any Axis commanders on trial for doing the same to Coventry and London, so you'd not be alone if you say you're fine with the idea.

Oh for gods sake. Are we going to rehash every single global event that your most hated enemy has ever(in your opinion) commited?

People (not just Americans) have done terrible things, some were justified or felt they were making the right decisions at the time. Some were unjustified. Some were just plain mistakes. You should learn to live with these things, move on, and try to make things better for the future instead of dragging up history that can't be changed.

Here, this says it better than I can....

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Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:17 am

spot;1399820 wrote: It's not an attempt at humour, it's an attempt at starting a discussion of Hiroshima Day. Other than my attempt, I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC. I think it ought to be brought to mind.A simple "Today is Hiroshima day what are the general feelings about it ?" would have done the job......

As for celebrating the explosion - you find me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark, how's that.

I suspect the majority of Americans regret (To feel sorry, disappointed, or distressed about.A feeling of disappointment or distress about something that one wishes could be different.) the circumstances surrounding the dropping of the bombs.

Are you saying that Americans are a different breed/species, less humane, have no compassion, feelings or remorse ?

You sir are an extremely strange man.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:07 am

Bruv;1399836 wrote: Are you saying that Americans are a different breed/species, less humane, have no compassion, feelings or remorse ?On the contrary, quite the reverse. I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:13 am

spot;1399837 wrote: On the contrary, quite the reverse. I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.

When you were young did someone sit you down and make you watch "Hee Haw" reruns for hours on end?

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:14 am

spot;1399837 wrote: On the contrary, quite the reverse. I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.

While there are Americans who may meet your expectations, I doubt they are in the majority.

I could say the same for the English.

I met several when I was in your country who felt that the English were a breed apart, and that the rest of the world failed to appreciate their superiority.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:18 am

spot;1399837 wrote: On the contrary, quite the reverse. I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.

LarsMac;1399839 wrote: While there are Americans who may meet your expectations, I doubt they are in the majority.

I could say the same for the English.

I met several when I was in your country who felt that the English were a breed apart, and that the rest of the world failed to appreciate their superiority.

Hmm, sounds familiar.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:23 am

spot;1399837 wrote: On the contrary, quite the reverse. I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.
The reverse ?

You are doing my head in you are.........

Do you think bad mouthing 312 million people is helping to 'bringing a sense of reality'?

And who's reality is at fault........worth considering don't you think ?

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:34 am

LarsMac;1399839 wrote: While there are Americans who may meet your expectations, I doubt they are in the majority. Did you never hear anyone say "better dead than Red"? Was he talking about foreigners?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:49 am

YZGI;1399833 wrote: It's our job to educate the uneducated.:sneaky:
You sell him short, very short, if you think his crap emerges from simple ignorance, or that he would change if only he knew better.

I wouldn't doubt that he enjoys these threads with only one hand on the keyboard.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:15 am

Accountable;1399845 wrote:

I wouldn't doubt that he enjoys these threads with only one hand on the keyboard.

Snigger chortle.................the mind boggles.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:20 am

Bruv;1399846 wrote: Snigger chortle.................the mind boggles.

If you can't recognize when a chap's being deliberately smeared and traduced by someone who actually has no counter-argument and knows it, you need to practice more.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:22 am

spot;1399823 wrote: There's a simple way to find out - bring me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark. I don't think you'll find one, not if they use the words in their natural sense the way I've done. Anyone can weasel out of meaning what's said if they juggle or qualify the words. In my dictionary, if you regret a thing then you wish it hadn't happened - you don't "regret... but...".

LarsMac;1399831 wrote: I also regret that such a weapon was actually used against anyone. I regret that it was my country that used such a weapon.

spot;1399832 wrote: I've never met one yet who was prepared to be so unpatriotic as to say they regretted that their country used them, that's all. Nothing to do with happy about it - anyone can be unhappy about it - it's the wishing the Hiroshima bomb hadn't been dropped that I find unique. I apologise for starting the thread with the opinion that Americans have no regrets in the matter, since I've now met Americans who wish it hadn't happened. I've red about them but I never thought I'd get to talk to one directly.

Where do you stand on deliberately starting incendiary fires within civilian population centres, out of interest? Is that another regrettable series of events? Tokyo, March 1945, if we need an example. We Brits still officially celebrate the firebombing of civilian populations in Hamburg and Dresden, we dedicated a memorial to the crews of Bomber Command just this year and we never put any Axis commanders on trial for doing the same to Coventry and London, so you'd not be alone if you say you're fine with the idea.

We'll take that apology now. Are you capable?

Did you teach yourself to hate America and Americans this much? I think someone with this much hatred had to be indoctrinated in some way. Never seen anything quite like it.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:26 am

YZGI;1399848 wrote: We'll take that apology now. Are you capable?

Did you teach yourself to hate America and Americans this much? I think someone with this much hatred had to be indoctrinated in some way. Never seen anything quite like it.You just quoted it - "I apologise for starting the thread with the opinion that Americans have no regrets in the matter, since I've now met Americans who wish it hadn't happened".

As for my attitude, it was handed to me by a poster here who's not been around for a long time: anastrophe.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:30 am

spot;1399823 wrote: There's a simple way to find out - bring me an American who regrets the use of the bomb on Hiroshima and I'll apologize for the remark. I don't think you'll find one, not if they use the words in their natural sense the way I've done. Anyone can weasel out of meaning what's said if they juggle or qualify the words. In my dictionary, if you regret a thing then you wish it hadn't happened - you don't "regret... but...".

LarsMac;1399831 wrote: I also regret that such a weapon was actually used against anyone. I regret that it was my country that used such a weapon.

spot;1399849 wrote: You just quoted it - "I apologise for starting the thread with the opinion that Americans have no regrets in the matter, since I've now met Americans who wish it hadn't happened".

As for my attitude, it was handed to me by a poster here who's not been around for a long time: anastrophe.

Thank you.

I'm sure Anastrophe will be happy to hear the kind of power he wields over you.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:30 am

spot;1399847 wrote: If you can't recognize when a chap's being deliberately smeared and traduced by someone who actually has no counter-argument and knows it, you need to practice more.

There is no counter argument, the basic (wait for it) premise (don't often use words like that) is facile (sure you will put me right....if that is the wrong word)

If you were on Speakers Corner, the jeering would silence you in seconds.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:37 am

spot;1399820 wrote: It's not an attempt at humour, it's an attempt at starting a discussion of Hiroshima Day. Other than my attempt, I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC. I think it ought to be brought to mind.

.

You need to research a little more thoroughly or stop lying to make anti-american propaganda.

Hiroshima A-Bomb anniversary: Japan light hundreds of lanterns for those killed | Mail Online

BBC ON THIS DAY | 6 | 1945: US drops atomic bomb on Hiroshima

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... ial-wreath

Yesterday, It was reported by the BBC as well as featuring in most newspapers.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:39 am

spot;1399849 wrote: You just quoted it - "I apologise for starting the thread with the opinion that Americans have no regrets in the matter, since I've now met Americans who wish it hadn't happened".

As for my attitude, it was handed to me by a poster here who's not been around for a long time: anastrophe.

I find it incredible that you, a grown man, can develop such hatred supposedly from one person, then apply it to all. It's just not a logical thought process.

I'd also like to add I remember the arguments vaguely, in no way am I agreeing to think that the above named person could generate such hatred in another.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:44 am

Accountable;1399829 wrote: I can't believe you guys are humoring this hate-filled bag of bile.

:yh_worshp:yh_worshp

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:50 am

Betty Boop;1399853 wrote: I find it incredible that you, a grown man, can develop such hatred supposedly from one person, then apply it to all. It's just not a logical thought process.

I'd also like to add I remember the arguments vaguely, in no way am I agreeing to think that the above named person could generate such hatred in another.
I didn't say, and don't accept, hatred. I said attitude. If you see any polarisation in my opinions it's down to the repellent win-at-all-costs assault the chap unleashed, the total lack of fair play, the refusal to seek common ground, the incomprehensible unrelenting assault he unleashed as cheer-leader for a hunting pack of rah-rah American Exceptionalists. If I appear scarred, there's good reason for it.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:54 am

oscar;1399852 wrote: Yesterday, It was reported by the BBC as well as featuring in most newspapers.I don't doubt it. What I wrote, which you part-bolded to change the meaning, was "I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC." - I saw no mention in the papers or the BBC. It's an accurate statement. Trying to transform it into "lying" by part-bolding and then attacking just the bold section is pointless, though typically snide. How does it benefit anyone?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:05 am

spot;1399856 wrote: I don't doubt it. What I wrote, which you part-bolded to change the meaning, was "I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC." - I saw no mention in the papers or the BBC. It's an accurate statement. Trying to transform it into "lying" by part-bolding and then attacking just the bold section is pointless, though typically snide. How does it benefit anyone? Snide ? No

You wrote:

Originally Posted by spot

It's not an attempt at humour, it's an attempt at starting a discussion of Hiroshima Day. Other than my attempt, I saw nothing anywhere about the topic. No mention in the papers or the BBC. I think it ought to be brought to mind.

So It stands to reason that your Ignorance Is either due to lack of research or a deliberate attempt to lead members here that there was no reporting of the anniversary.

Then, trying to move the goal posts when shown to be In error Is pretty much expected from you. I would say a deliberate attempt to mislead for the use of anti-american bile.

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:07 am

oscar;1399858 wrote: Then, trying to move the goal posts when shown to be In error Is pretty much expected from you. I would say a deliberate attempt to mislead for the use of anti-american bile.

As you will. Who, after all, expects any different from you.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:09 am

spot;1399860 wrote: As you will. Who, after all, expects any different from you. I don't see anyone here disgusted with what I have written.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:37 am

YZGI;1399850 wrote: Thank you.

I'm sure Anastrophe will be happy to hear the kind of power he wields over you.
Well said. Note how he refuses to accept any responsibility for his own behavior.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:43 am

Accountable;1399862 wrote: Well said. Note how he refuses to accept any responsibility for his own behavior. Or Pearl Harbour

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:54 am

We could always discuss the the topic of Hiroshima Day, the resonance of that name, what it means to you, and it's place in history.

Of course we could just slag each other off......as usual.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:09 pm

Bruv;1399864 wrote: We could always discuss the the topic of Hiroshima Day, the resonance of that name, what it means to you, and it's place in history.

Of course we could just slag each other off......as usual. What do you expect when we log on and see this kind of hate filled crap:

Posted by Spot

I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.

Some of us are sick to death of this kind of agenda which I am sure Is written purely to wind up certain US members.

The knock on effect Is that due to this garbage, this forum is dying a death. Members are not posting. Spot may live In an embittered world where he wants no more than the forum to himself to prostitute his vile venom against America and where due to lack of members, he goes unchallenged but all of us come here to engage with others, not him. It is every one of us who is affected by this garbage because It's less members for us to enjoy. But then, he just doesn't get that does he?

Post by **spot** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:20 pm

oscar;1399866 wrote: What do you expect when we log on and see this kind of hate filled crap:

Posted by Spot

I think there are far too many Americans who believe the rest of the world's populated by a different breed/species who are less humane and have no compassion, feelings or remorse. I think they urgently need bringing to a sense of reality.

You dopey plonker - that was a direct quote I made from the previous message!

There's no sense even noticing you exist, these days. Stab away, it makes no odds to me.