Electric Cigg..

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:59 am

Has anyone tried these?

I'm tempted to buy one but been reading the health risks are just as bad....

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:09 pm

I am currently giving up...................again.

I am a little strange........I know that......but if you want to give up, give up, don't think anything will assist in giving up if your heart isn't in it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:16 pm

Bruv;1403213 wrote: I am currently giving up...................again.

I am a little strange........I know that......but if you want to give up, give up, don't think anything will assist in giving up if your heart isn't in it.

Sigh....

Bruv... I've attended more smoking clinics than I care to remember... I've had It all... the patches, the gum, the nasal spray, the mouth spray and been on Champix the pill.

My heart Is In It.... I've been trying to stop for two years.... sometimes I go 3 days without a cigg but by the 4th I turn Into King Herod....

I have smoked all of my life.... 60 a day..... I started when I was 11 years old and used to buy 5 parkdrive on the way to school...

I smoke about 40 a day now because I can't smoke In the house because of Peter but when I'm out or at work... I chain smoke...

I am the only one In my entire family who smokes.

Peter and I are comfortable enough that I can afford to smoke... I don't do It on benefit... It's my money !!!!

The electric Cigg maybe just another con, I don't know..

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:45 pm

I never started smoking seriously ever.........

I would spend three hours on split shifts in a smoke filled basement canteen playing cards, and chose to get into smoking carriages for the journey home.

Before long it was Gold Leaf (I think) then Senior Service, then Players, soon it was Gauloise (because they were sophisticated)

Have smoked Old Holborn hand rolled by choice for too many years.

Last year I got short of breath........................laying in bed.

Just laying in bed, being woken by shortage of breath is frightening.

The Doctor gave me a puffer, I didn't use it.

Earlier this year the same happened, I am now dropping two puffs before getting out of bed.

Over this past weekend, I suffered a frightening return of breathlessness. To feel breathless getting out of a chair or washing your hair is really frightening.

I am now a born again non smoker, I have told my wife that should she ever see me smoking again to shoot me.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:25 pm

Bruv;1403220 wrote: I never started smoking seriously ever.........

I would spend three hours on split shifts in a smoke filled basement canteen playing cards, and chose to get into smoking carriages for the journey home.

Before long it was Gold Leaf (I think) then Senior Service, then Players, soon it was Gauloise (because they were sophisticated)

Have smoked Old Holborn hand rolled by choice for too many years.

Last year I got short of breath........................laying in bed.

Just laying in bed, being woken by shortage of breath is frightening.

The Doctor gave me a puffer, I didn't use it.

Earlier this year the same happened, I am now dropping two puffs before getting out of bed.

Over this past weekend, I suffered a frightening return of breathlessness. To feel breathless getting out of a chair or washing your hair is really frightening.

I am now a born again non smoker, I have told my wife that should she ever see me smoking again to shoot me.

Listen mate, I don't want to scare you but you really need to see a Doctor.... please !!!!!!

That's the really weird part with me... yes, I get out of breath here and there but I'm still quite fit... I run and about three times a week, I walk miles with the dogs without getting out of breath...

The other aspect I am convinced Is a contributing factor Is having a late night corner shop just round the corner of my home and even then If they were shut and I was really desperate, I just phone my Turkish pal and he'll walk round with a pack.... It's just all too easy.....

I have even tried banking every penny so that there's no cash In the house If I give In.... but then the corner shop has a cash dispenser In It...

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:26 am

I have been to the Doctors, that is how I got the puffers.

I am relatively fit too, having always done manual work and cycled daily.

When you are 'giving up' do you have a sense of loss for all those fags you will be missing ?

That after dinner fag ?

That taking a dump fag ?

That I have done a particularly good job there fag ?

And of course there is always the reward fag, when after a whole day without a fag, you reward yourself by having one.

Do you get something like a panic attack, just thinking about not smoking ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:28 am

Bruv;1403256 wrote: I have been to the Doctors, that is how I got the puffers.

I am relatively fit too, having always done manual work and cycled daily.

When you are 'giving up' do you have a sense of loss for all those fags you will be missing ?

That after dinner fag ?

That taking a dump fag ?

That I have done a particularly good job there fag ?

And of course there is always the reward fag, when after a whole day without a fag, you reward yourself by having one.

Do you get something like a panic attack, just thinking about not smoking ?

Have you had a lung scan?

COPD and UIP ( Chronic obstructive pulmonary fibrosis) and ( Usual Interstitial Pneumonia) has very few symptoms In the early stages and the only one really that sufferers notice In the early days Is breathlessness... many doctors mistake It for asthma. That;s how Peter started off... just a little breathless.

Those conditions are not always smoking related.... many of the other attendee's at Peter;s pain management clinic have never smoked but have worked for example as builders Inhaling brick dust for years... In Peter's case, his consultant believes It's down to the Jet fumes he breathed In during many years In the Royal Air Force....

It's worth Insisting on a lung scan Bruv....please !!!

It's funny because you hit on something there with my smoking In your post.... at all my clinics they Insist you don't have any ciggs In the house at all but when I have some In the house, I am strangely comforted. If there Is none, I panic that there Is none, If that makes sense....If I have a pack, I can force myself to have one only every two hours or something but having none at all makes me nip out to the corner shop.....

My Mother was convinced I had Inherited an addictive gene.... but there's the odd thing.... I have a mate who Is addicted to betting on the horses and blows most of his wages. We were chatting one day and I mentioned I don't go to local bookies, I just pick the phone up because I have credit accounts with William Hill and Ladbrookes... he said ' OMG how do you stop yourself every day' ? I don't bet every day despite getting good tip every day because I will follow a horse for months before betting on It.... so I have will power there but none when It comes to the ciggs...

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:11 am

I am at that age when the National Health service deluge you with tests.

They called me in for an MOT last year and I have had several tests since, jelly on my belly and x-rays included.......never remember what for, but it was all good.

Apparently I have COPD, but I refuse to have the chronic part, who needs something with chronic in it's name ?

I was a child asthmatic, loosing it at 11 years oldish, a poorly child up to then but it has not affected me since.

I have suffered periodically when smoking clogs up your pipes, those times when you have to wait to enjoy them again, coughing up phlegm as if it were going out of fashion.

I am the most anti smoking smoker I have ever known, none of it makes any sort of sense to me.

You wouldn't poke a stick in your eye for fun, but smokers suck acrid smoke into a delicate organ for minimal affect, only really enjoying a small percentage of their intake of fags. You waft about in a cloud of your own stale smoke, that permeates your hair, clothes and home, it lowers your resistance and stifles your sense of taste and smell, and all this for a very small high that lasts moments......before that gnawing feeling starts again.

As a hand roller, I needed to have spare papers, just in case, might lose them or worse they might get damp.

I gave up for over a year before, this time it is for good too.....just like last time.

I feel better now...............now I know giving up is worth the nicotine itch I am feeling now, well worth it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:53 am

Bruv;1403271 wrote: I am at that age when the National Health service deluge you with tests.

They called me in for an MOT last year and I have had several tests since, jelly on my belly and x-rays included.......never remember what for, but it was all good.

Apparently I have COPD, but I refuse to have the chronic part, who needs something with chronic in it's name ?

I was a child asthmatic, loosing it at 11 years oldish, a poorly child up to then but it has not affected me since.

I have suffered periodically when smoking clogs up your pipes, those times when you have to wait to enjoy them again, coughing up phlegm as if it were going out of fashion.

I am the most anti smoking smoker I have ever known, none of it makes any sort of sense to me.

You wouldn't poke a stick in your eye for fun, but smokers suck acrid smoke into a delicate organ for minimal affect, only really enjoying a small percentage of their intake of fags. You waft about in a cloud of your own stale smoke, that permeates your hair, clothes and home, it lowers your resistance and stifles your sense of taste and smell, and all this for a very small high that lasts moments......before that gnawing feeling starts again.

As a hand roller, I needed to have spare papers, just in case, might lose them or worse they might get damp.

I gave up for over a year before, this time it is for good too.....just like last time.

I feel better now...............now I know giving up is worth the nicotine itch I am feeling now, well worth it. I'm relieved to hear you have been checked out.

Yes, the chronic bit Is not a nice term but It's my husbands diagnosis.

Abnormal lung aging in chronic obs... [Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

Maybe I should just resign myself to always being a smoker and be done with It.

It's weird because when I am In a situation where I know I can not smoke ie, work, other people's homes, hotels etc, I know I can't smoke for that periord of time and I'm fine with that. I know that for example, In so many hours I will be able to have a cigg...... It's when I'm at home and I know that I can have one any time I like that the will power fades...

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:33 am

I suggest that you 'put off' smoking the next cigarette, don't give up smoking, just promise yourself that fag later......................see how much later you can go.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:56 am

Bruv;1403283 wrote: I suggest that you 'put off' smoking the next cigarette, don't give up smoking, just promise yourself that fag later......................see how much later you can go.

Tried It.... and tried putting the pack down the other end of the house In the bedroom so I have to get up and go and get them.... It does cut down on the amount I smoke but I want so much to stop completely....

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:28 pm

Try keeping one in your mouth, without lighting it then.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:26 pm

How much does a pack of cigarettes cost in Britain? Here in NYC they cost $12. That's £7.56.

Sometimes while watching TV I see in other parts of the country the prices are as low as half the price of New York. That's because our mayor is a health nut who is also a billionaire, & he is used to getting his own way. When he leaves office, the price will remain the same. Taxes won't go down, do they ever?

I am sorry what you call Champix doesn't work for you. We call it Chantix. It stopped my smoking. Once a year, if I fall off the wagon I just go back on Chantix. It's a miracle for me, a miracle. And at $12 a pack I'd go broke.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:17 am

I quit almost 2 years ago. Driving in to work I lit up a cig, took a drag and said the hell with it. Haven't had another since. I carried the 3/4 of a pack of cigs around for 2-3 weeks just in case I had a so called nicotine fit. I missed them more for the habit of doing something with my hands than the nicotine effect. My wife still smokes and I occasionally go out with my wife for her smoke breaks and it doesn't really bother me. I loved smoking, except for the cost, smell, and the fact that it was killing me slowly. Other than that it was great. I had never tried to quit like others I've known, including my wife. I knew when I was ready I would make it happen I never told even my wife when I quit. It was almost a week before she noticed. I didn't use any patches, sprays or pills. When I had an urge to smoke I got up and had a walk. Sometimes just in a circle around my counter at work. After a couple of weeks (from what I remember) the yearnings got less and less. Do i sometimes still mis it..Yes. And it pisses me off when I do, so I use my anger to not go back.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:53 am

I looked it up on my own & found the UK pays the same or more as we do in NYC. I wish though, that we were allowed to buy a pack of 10 as you can. Sometimes I still want one now & then but not for $12. for twenty. I think it might be against the law here to have a pack of 10? Does anyone know the answer?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:10 pm

AnneBoleyn;1403421 wrote: I looked it up on my own & found the UK pays the same or more as we do in NYC. I wish though, that we were allowed to buy a pack of 10 as you can. Sometimes I still want one now & then but not for $12. for twenty. I think it might be against the law here to have a pack of 10? Does anyone know the answer?

We used to have packs of three and five as well as the ten packs we have now. Some shops we known to sell them singly if you asked nicely.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:35 pm

My doctor recommended the e-cig to me after I had tried everything else, including prescription nicotine inhalers. She gave me some reference material from studies done in NZ regarding health concerns for them. Essentially the vapor is mostly water vapor with some vegetable glycerin and food-quality flavorings. There is also some propylene glycol, which is the same as is used for asthma inhalers and nicotine patches.

She put me in touch with some of her other patients who had had some success using this method. They advised me to stay away from the cheap e-cigs sold in most stores and the Chinese liquids and gave me some sources to find good stuff.

It worked where other methods had failed because it helped on a couple of different levels. One was the nicotine, which I have been gradually reducing. Another was the feeling of exhaling the "smoke" (vapor). Another was the habit of inhaling. I experimented a bit to find the liquid that produced the right taste for me. I also use a variable voltage unit that allows me to dial in the amount of vapor and "throat hit" that I want.

A good place to gain more info is the ECF forums. Look in the reference sections for health data and the newbie section for questions.

E-Cigarette Forum

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:39 pm

I'm glad this works for you Wandrin. I felt like a slave to cigarettes until Chantix took my mind off them. The obsession doesn't form, so I don't have the compulsion to smoke. I can take them or leave them. I recently tried a friend's ecig & you're right about the inhale/exhale feelings, they can be so strong.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:59 pm

AnneBoleyn;1403429 wrote: I'm glad this works for you Wandrin. I felt like a slave to cigarettes until Chantix took my mind off them. The obsession doesn't form, so I don't have the compulsion to smoke. I can take them or leave them. I recently tried a friend's ecig & you're right about the inhale/exhale feelings, they can be so strong.

I tried Chantix and wasn't successful. I smoked menthol cigarettes and for those times when I got a strong craving, I made up a couple of cartridges with very very strong menthol to get me through it. Sometimes though, I'll pop in a cartridge for something sweet like mint chocolate or creme brule.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:15 pm

Also a menthol smoker. People have told, many people, many times, that menthol is the most dangerous. Also, low class!

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:22 pm

AnneBoleyn;1403435 wrote: Also a menthol smoker. People have told, many people, many times, that menthol is the most dangerous. Also, low class!

My doctor told me that menthol cigarettes are more addictive and that some groups are trying to reduce the amount of menthol in cigarettes for that reason.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:47 pm

Bryn Mawr;1403425 wrote: We used to have packs of three and five as well as the ten packs we have now. Some shops we known to sell them singly if you asked nicely.

I remember being able to buy single cigarettes from a corner shop just round the corner from our secondary school, they did a roaring trade at lunchtimes :wah:

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:51 pm

Betty Boop;1403443 wrote: I remember being able to buy single cigarettes from a corner shop just round the corner from our secondary school, they did a roaring trade at lunchtimes :wah:

Massive profit for the shop so I'm surprised they stopped doing it.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:04 pm

Super Markets now have to conceal the tobacco products behind screens, soon they may have to drop all branding.

Wonder how Formula One will get around that ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:22 pm

Betty Boop;1403443 wrote: I remember being able to buy single cigarettes from a corner shop just round the corner from our secondary school, they did a roaring trade at lunchtimes :wah:
You could buy single Woodbine for 5 old shillings In the paper shop on the way to school.... and they sold them to you !!!

Our preferred brand was No 6... you could get 10 number 6 and a book of matches for one and eleven.... the only good thing about the Woodbines was no-one wanted two's up on them.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:55 pm

oscar;1403455 wrote: You could buy single Woodbine for 5 old shillings In the paper shop on the way to school.... and they sold them to you !!!

Our preferred brand was No 6... you could get 10 number 6 and a book of matches for one and eleven.... the only good thing about the Woodbines was no-one wanted two's up on them.

At a dollar a go they were ripping you off. I used to pay one and ten pence for twenty Gold Leaf back in the day

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:58 pm

Bryn Mawr;1403459 wrote: At a dollar a go they were ripping you off. I used to pay one and ten pence for twenty Gold Leaf back in the day

Sorry Bryn... I must be wrong... what was the equivalent of 5 new pence back then.... that's what I meant.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:06 pm

oscar;1403461 wrote: Sorry Bryn... I must be wrong... what was the equivalent of 5 new pence back then.... that's what I meant.

Tuppence ha'penny - a far more likely sum

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:57 pm

Bryn Mawr;1403464 wrote: Tuppence ha'penny - a far more likely sum

Ahhh that's what I meant...