oscar's ban

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:00 pm

AnneBoleyn;1407325 wrote: I demand an immediate investigation of myself. I might be getting away with something.

Off with her head !

Post by **Peter Lake** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:00 pm

AnneBoleyn;1407325 wrote: I demand an immediate investigation of myself. I might be getting away with something.

:wah:

I apologise for my reference to you, it was a case in point, not you personally. That made me laugh though.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:04 pm

Peter Lake;1407328 wrote: :wah:

I apologise for my reference to you, it was a case in point, not you personally. That made me laugh though.

:wah: I'm sure you & the little woman can use a few good ones today. Happy to oblige. :wah:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:04 pm

AnneBoleyn;1407325 wrote: I demand an immediate investigation of myself. I might be getting away with something.

There may be a strip search involved.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:05 pm

Snowfire;1407327 wrote: Off with her head !
:yh_rotfl Get in line! (trans. queue up) :yh_rotfl

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:06 pm

YZGI;1407330 wrote: There may be a strip search involved.
Well I sure hope so!

Post by **Peter Lake** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:08 pm

AnneBoleyn;1407329 wrote: :wah: I'm sure you & the little woman can use a few good ones today. Happy to oblige. :wah: Little woman ? dear oh dear, now you're in trouble.

koan · Post by **koan** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:09 pm

Peter Lake;1407324 wrote: I don't have any beef with you banning Oscar because if she's breached regulations then so be it but i'm asking if you went back through all Anne's threads to find other examples? I'm also asking why if Oscar's ban is only three days, why post this thread when i'm sure most wouldn't have noticed her absence?

I'm all for fairness Koan, i have seen your objections and not entirely disagreed with you but if we're talking about fairness here, is it fair that a moderator private messages another poster telling them that Oscar is using them, which is an insult to that persons intelligence, and advising them to drop Oscar at the exact time these infraction points are mounting up? That's bullying isn't it?

Because one member had been warned repeatedly to the extent of over and over and over and over and over etc

And the other had not.

I see no further need for discussion on the matter.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:12 pm

koan;1407334 wrote: Because one member had been warned repeatedly to the extent of over and over and over and over and over etc

And the other had not.

I see no further need for discussion on the matter.

I can understand that.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:14 pm

Peter Lake;1407333 wrote: Little woman ? dear oh dear, now you're in trouble.
ok, ok Ball & Chain. If she starts to beef it becomes BattleAx. Trouble? I'm from Brooklyn. We don't take trouble, we make trouble! :yh_m2figh

Post by **Peter Lake** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:16 pm

AnneBoleyn;1407336 wrote: ok, ok Ball & Chain. If she starts to beef it becomes BattleAx. Trouble? I'm from Brooklyn. We don't take trouble, we make trouble! :yh_m2figh

:wah:

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:56 pm

I just went through the infraction thread again and while the evidence is damning, I can't help but notice a certain glee from the mods, particularly koan. It's like a dream come true, you can finally get rid of Oscar.

Sorry, I think that thread shows a certain obsessive determination and frankly, it's pretty damn creepy.

theia · Post by **theia** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:13 pm

SnoozeAgain;1407362 wrote: I just went through the infraction thread again and while the evidence is damning, I can't help but notice a certain glee from the mods, particularly koan. It's like a dream come true, you can finally get rid of Oscar.

Sorry, I think that thread shows a certain obsessive determination and frankly, it's pretty damn creepy.

But of course! They found the perfect post on the 6th October that would resolve all their problems with Oscar, without it seeming like it had anything to do with them. If it wasn't so mean spirited and spiteful I could almost laugh at the way in which I inadvertently set myself up.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:31 pm

There's no doubt on Oscar's evident violations but for someone who wasn't going to post until Bryn's return, I couldn't help but notice the sudden purpose in life. A spring in the step.

Perhaps we could set up some stocks on the village green for further entertainment. A rotten tomato for every infraction point

Post by **Peter Lake** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:47 pm

I've gone through all the examples Koan has sent by e mail and the first on 6th of this month was the wildlife thread which was a few lines. Oscar was asked if she had used a source to which Oscar replied she had and added the link immediately resolving any copyright issue within that post.

I have also gone through Oscar's inbox and the last warning she had for not adding a link was two years ago and was one of two. Oscar also assures me that she's had no warning since by private message or in her threads as Pantoandy and Anne did.

This begs the question, if the first alert was on the 6th of this month, why go back through all Oscar's threads looking for more when this has clearly not been done with other posters? The only explanation is spite and malice and a desire to ban right from the onset or the only other explanation is that Koan has been aware Oscar has omitted links and saved them up so the accumulative infraction points equal a ban.

As a moderator myself, i'm qualified to say this is a failure on the moderators part to address an issue when there was every chance of fair warning. The failure to do so suggests something far more sinister as is this thread, the chance to belittle. In my capacity as a forum moderator elsewhere, i would put that down more as abuse of moderator duties.

What is the extent of this ban should Oscar wish to return?

Post by **Peter Lake** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:48 pm

Snowfire;1407366 wrote: There's no doubt on Oscar's evident violations but for someone who wasn't going to post until Bryn's return, I couldn't help but notice the sudden purpose in life. A spring in the step.

Perhaps we could set up some stocks on the village green for further entertainment. A rotten tomato for every infraction point Oh you noticed that also? Good, it's not my medication then.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:56 pm

I can't believe this thread. Sounds like vengeance, against Oscar, to me.

Get rid of the posts without links, but don't ban Oscar.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:17 pm

I have read this thread and I am disgusted with the childish behaviour of so-called moderators. As far as I can see, it would have been far better to have warned Oscar that you would be deleting her posts in future if she continued to contravene copyright laws. Apparently it seems, according to Peter Lake (her husband), that Oscar suffers from laziness as the night draws on and she gets tired, and is in fact too tired to find the appropriate link/reference etc.

She needs to appreciate the seriousness of contravening copyright laws, and in my opinion, moderators should delete the offending posts if she fails to comply. As an ex-moderator I would suggest not banning her but deleting the offending post and inserting the reason for the deletion for all members to see, e.g. "The post inserted here by * * * * * * * has been deleted by the moderators because it contravened copyright laws." Maybe when this has been done a few times, Oscar may learn and take the time to acknowledge the origin of her 'borrowed' quote however tired she is. This would be a far more civilised way of going about matters, rather than the obvious 'ganging up' and plotting against one member as is being done at the moment - similar to schoolyard bullying. This is a laughable situation when you think that the moderators of 2 - 3 years ago had quite a struggle trying to control a plague of schoolyard bullying that involved quite a lot of nastiness. It appears to me that two or three of the bullies seem to have escaped that 'clear out' and are alive and well and, horrifyingly, are moderators !!!!!! The ones I'm referring to know who they are. Oh, and by the way to endeavour to gather retrospective examples to add to a punishment level smacks at victimisation don't you think ? Punishments should be handed out at the time of the alleged offence only. IMO

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:29 pm

I just posted this in 'Reported post by Koan' before I saw this thread tonight.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/newre ... ly&t=58575

Koan,

I'm sorry, but this searching through threads and bannings has gone on long enough.

Please Cease and desist now.

Your behavior is bordering on bizarre right now.

Another mod, in charge, should really stop you from this action until further notice.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:45 pm

Kathy Ellen;1407469 wrote: I just posted this in 'Reported post by Koan' before I saw this thread tonight.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/newre ... ly&t=58575

Koan,

I'm sorry, but this searching through threads and bannings has gone on long enough.

Please Cease and desist now.

Your behavior is bordering on bizarre right now.

Another mod, in charge, should really stop you from this action until further notice.

Hi Kathy ! Concerned that there appears to be a witch hunt going on ? Which will do no good to Forum Garden. I have absolutely no say in anything FG now, but if I had, then I would suggest that Koan take a break from FG for a couple of weeks. She is giving the impression of having an obsession concerning Oscar.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:59 am

what post on Northern Ireland?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:49 am

Oscar is at times obnoxious and irritating and may or may not be guilty ignoring warnings - since I have not seen them I will take your word on the number, - and there's no doubt guilt on her part but there does seem to be a element of gleeful personal vendetta in this. I don't know the origins of it and I don't really care, I found myself being dragged in to it recently in one of oscar's threads "intellect" in a manner I found quite surprising and actually rather offensive at the time as it suggested the belief in some kind of weird conspiracy theory on the part of Koan. Look for yourselves you'll see what I mean.

Personal vendettas are silly and pathetic and not at all good for the forum.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:09 am

I resent any and all attacks upon my character in this matter. I gave a link in the "Intellect" thread to explain why I reasonably believed oscar would be supported by you in that thread. She quoted you using the exact phrase she claimed to have never heard before and Mr. Lake here claims she has a "near" photographic memory. Mr. Lake's post in that thread is demonstrably false and I have asked for it to be removed as defamation.

They can't have it both ways, either the "Intellect" thread was malicious in intent because she has a fine memory or she has knowingly committed mass plagiarism on this website beyond the scope of anything we've ever seen. If her memory is fine enough to quote multiple paragraphs word for word but flawed in remembering the source then she also would have remembered that she'd heard and used the phrase "pseudo intellectual" in the past and fabricated a thread for an ulterior purpose... though would have forgotten who she quoted. I'm not implying you participated in the "Intellect" dishonesty, gmc, I'm saying she knew what your opinion of it would be: she quoted you calling spot the very same insult.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:25 am

You all should just go about your business and let management do their job and make their decisions. It's never easy managing people's behavior, and decisions are not always popular, but that goes with the territory. If you don't like the way the forum is run, your solution is easy....leave.

I personally think management is finally catching up with itself. It's about time, IMO.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:04 am

I can sympathize with koan. I was recently called a liar when I said I didn't remember a comment by a memberr I've had very little interaction with and who had made the remark several months before I had joined here in 2005. Having your integrity questioned and mocked isn't pleasant.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:55 am

I'd like to thank those who see exactly what has been going on here for months and your support of my wife.

When this thread died down two nights ago, Koan came into Oscar's intellect thread and began baiting again there. I posted that i found her actions disturbing and asked what sort of person takes such comfort and satisfaction from the misfortune of others in life.

I thought that was the end of it but no, here we are again. Koan has refused to answer my questions, one being why was no thread such as this posted to explain Spot's ban and his extended ban. We all know the answer, this thread was designed purely to humiliate and belittle Oscar to her friends. In order to expose someone, there has to be a motive for that persons fraud. Oscar has never set out to deceive anyone here, half the time she can't be bothered to check her spelling and doesn't give a hoot as to what mistakes she may make. She has never come to this forum claiming to be an intellect. If she had there may a cause of not adding links.

Now for the allegations i made to Koan in the intellect thread. Koan knows she private messaged Snooze just before all these infraction points were accumulated telling her that Oscar was using her, something i consider to be an abuse of moderator duties. I alleged that Koan made comments on Facebook that she was planning Oscar's ban long before she went looking through months of Oscar's threads. Other people have also claimed they have seen these posts. I won't name names but i hope those people will come forward and do the decent thing and i will leave that to those people, if they don't want to become embroiled in this, i understand given the level of gang culture i've witnessed in the past few months. If those people want to stay out of this, then Koan can call me a liar for the rest of her days and i'll take it.

The only problem i've been able to see with the intellect thread is Koan thinking Oscar posted it as an attack on her yet her thread the fourth wall prior was a deliberate attempt to belittle and entrap Oscar. She had no way of knowing that gmc would post on her thread and the allegations that the two of them conspired are nothing short of paranoia.

The past few months has been nothing but point scoring and Koan believe me, your glee at finding enough infraction points to ban Oscar is futile. To win, to score a point over another is only effective if the other is affected by your actions. If the other person is not affected then all you do is cause yourself grief and sleepless nights thinking up ways of scoring the next point.

Oscar has had allegations thrown at her here for months ranging from conspiring to sue the forum to being in league with gmc. This is paranoia and a desire to find something and anything to throw at her.

Finally, i'm going to tell you all something about Oscar that none of you will know. Shortly after she joined this forum she struck up a friendship with a chap who had lost his job. She'd only known him a few months and all she had to go by was his word. He was devastated that he had no money to buy birthday gifts for his young daughter. Oscar went to the store and bought some toys that i posted but she insisted we left them unwrapped so he could wrap them himself for his little girl. Then she went to the supermarket and bought a food voucher so he could give his little girl a birthday tea. She never told a soul but that's Oscar and that's why i'm married to her and why i defend her. Those of you who have formed opinions of her from another continent or from her posts know nothing and Koan, if you were about to be thrown out in the street because you couldn't pay your rent, Oscar would be the first to offer to mail you the money, but you just keep this up why not?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:14 pm

koan;1407528 wrote: I resent any and all attacks upon my character in this matter. I gave a link in the "Intellect" thread to explain why I reasonably believed oscar would be supported by you in that thread. She quoted you using the exact phrase she claimed to have never heard before and Mr. Lake here claims she has a "near" photographic memory. Mr. Lake's post in that thread is demonstrably false and I have asked for it to be removed as defamation.

They can't have it both ways, either the "Intellect" thread was malicious in intent because she has a fine memory or she has knowingly committed mass plagiarism on this website beyond the scope of anything we've ever seen. If her memory is fine enough to quote multiple paragraphs word for word but flawed in remembering the source then she also would have remembered that she'd heard and used the phrase "pseudo intellectual" in the past and fabricated a thread for an ulterior purpose... though would have forgotten who she quoted. I'm not implying you participated in the "Intellect" dishonesty, gmc, I'm saying she knew what your opinion of it would be: she quoted you calling spot the very same insult.

I think i have a vague recollection calling spot a pseudo intellectual but I won't be wasting any time looking for it. I find your suggestion nonsensical. I don't want any part in this please leave me out of it in future.

I quite like the way the forum has been run.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:54 pm

I think what people fail to understand is the more members continue to join in in order to try and bully management into not banning a particular member the more management is boxed in to having to permanently ban the individual. Management cannot let themselves be bullied into a decision and using personal attacks on moderators or administrators just makes the case worse all around.

The best thing for everyone to do is keep quiet and live with whatever decision is made. Though the decision may have already been influenced by the tactics used in this thread to plead any case for the member. Management has to watch their ass, especially in matters of plagiarism. Plagiarism could end up being very costly to forum owners. The fact that a member would be so sloppy as to endanger the financial wellbeing of a person and his family he/she claims to like and respect is beyond the pale.

Management has options if they choose to be creative.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:02 pm

gmc;1407548 wrote: I think i have a vague recollection calling spot a pseudo intellectual but I won't be wasting any time looking for it. I find your suggestion nonsensical. I don't want any part in this please leave me out of it in future.

I quite like the way the forum has been run. I'm sure we could all trawl through old threads and find some connection to another thread if we wanted to but nobody goes to such great lengths to do so just in order to sustain an attack. It was nothing short of a desperate attempt to boost the claim that they know how she thinks when she posts. Oscar can be obnoxious and irritating though, i agree. I also like the way the forum is run but a selected few need to take a breather before they destroy it which is something they allege Oscar is conspiring to do off site.