PM handed a tory paedo list on live tv the AA grumpy column

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:57 am

hello again

its only me AA grumpy back like the preverbial haemmoroids.

(yes a total a pain in the arse ED) thank you mr editor its my column and i do the jokes around here and please put my brandy down.

sorry readers excuse the interuption.

hot on the trail of the jimmy saville allegations another paedophile story hits the headlines.

this time it was dozy david cameron who was caught out on national television.

DAVID Cameron was today sensationally ambushed with a list of alleged Tory paedophiles on live television.

This Morning presenter Phillip Schofield said he had put together the list of names after searching for "about three minutes" on the internet the night before.

But the stunt sparked controversy amid claims that Mr Schofield might have accidentally revealed the list on screen as he presented it to the Prime Minister.

If the names are clear enough to read, it could lead to legal action from any named individuals.

Mr Cameron warned that accusations of paedophilia against senior Tories risked becoming a “witch-hunt against people who were gay.

He did not read the list and said: “There is a danger if we are not careful that this can turn into a sort of witch hunt, particularly about people who are gay, and I’m worried about the sort of thing you are doing right now, taking a list of names off the internet.

“If anyone has any information about anyone who’s a paedophile, no matter how high up in society they are, that is what the police are for.

Read more: David Cameron handed ‘paedophile list’ live on This Morning by Phillip Schofield | The Sun |News

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for a start what the hell has this to do with anyone thats gay and where does the witchhunt come in does the PM know something the peasants dont?.

will there be the usual tory cover up as party MP,s rally round fellow tories and ex tory party members to protect their reputations and riches.

well david this must not happen there must be no gagging orders no back hand pay offs and no parlimentary privilage to protect these paedophiles who must be named and shamed and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

the tories are a corrupt party of no ideas and no public faith and look after only the rich and powerfull and the PM cannot just bury his head in the sand and hope it goes away or try and sweep the whole affair under the carpet like the plebgate scandal.

the tories lurch from one crisis to another with the lib dems saying nothing and with labour waiting in the wings to carry the british torch on election day (god help us).

the police and CPS must also do their duty and arrest and bring before the courts the culprits not have their hands tied because he is a senior or ex tory and must not be arrested on the instructions of the PM because it would not be in the public,s or member,s intrests.

this must not become a case of one law for the rich wine quoffing toffs and one law for joe public.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:33 pm

Mr Cameron warned that accusations of paedophilia against senior Tories risked becoming a “witch-hunt against people who were gay.

What an arsehole, it's got nothing to do with anyone being gay he's just trying to deflect attention away from the issue and stirring up feelings against homosexuals generally, Saville in particular was targeting young girls not boys. classic displacement if you're being attacked politically turn the attack on someone else, next he'll be claiming all the victims were from single parent families and didn't know any better.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:24 am

What Phillip Schofield did was a reckless stupid stunt.

It's claimed that before the blurring out were applied, viewers could even see the names on the list as It was handed to Cameron.

What did anyone expect other than the response that Cameron gave? He also went on to say ( quite rightly ) that If anyone had any genuine complaints, they should take It to the police and It would be Investigated.

Cameron again, quite rightly, dismissed the allegations as nothing more than a list taken from the Internet and just because someone's compiled a list on the internet, It doesn't make It true right or legal.

It sounds to me as though there Is a plan of deflection going on here. Maybe a few In TV are squirming right now re: Savile and need to deflect media attention elsewhere.

I never thought I'd defend a Tory PM especially this one, but he's right. Unless anyone has solid Information to take to the police for It to be Investigated, lists on the Internet mean nothing except some very costly libel and slander cases.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:40 am

oscar;1410051 wrote: What Phillip Schofield did was a reckless stupid stunt.

What's going on with my life that I've started to agree with Oscar. My brain is all out of kilter

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:46 am

Was this the fallout from that ?

Lord McAlpine's statement

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:15 pm

Bruv;1410075 wrote: Was this the fallout from that ?

Lord McAlpine's statement

Possibly, though I saw Lord McAlpine's name mentioned a few days ago on the comments after a news item. Daily Mirror, if I remember correctly.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:30 pm

For all we know, there could be a police Investigation going on Into allegations right now but that's not the point.

Schofield over stepped the mark and his ridiculous stunt could cost any genuine Investigation and future trial.

Schofield Is an ex children's presenter and his co presenter on the day Is the bird with the big tits from Celebrity juice. Schofield wants to be the next Paxman but will never have the Intelligence and even Paxman would never have pulled such a cheap stunt that could result In a lawsuit against the TV company.

Frankly, Schofield should lose his job.... cupid stunt

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:31 pm

There we go.... the proof how dangerous the stunt pulled.

McAlpine's alleged victim has just been on the news and admitted that McAlpine was not the man who abused him and he had got It wrong.

Now what about McAlpine's damaged reputation?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-ne ... -32203367/

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:55 pm

Gives you an uneasy feeling.

Hopefully investigations will be fast happening now.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:36 am

Bruv;1410094 wrote: Gives you an uneasy feeling.

Hopefully investigations will be fast happening now. Into who ?

This balls up with the alleged abuser naming the wrong man has to make the whole thing a mockery.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:06 am

There is something going on, no doubt.

I have spent an hour googling and although it is only rumour and speculation, and probably people with issues spreading rubbish, I am inclined to the old saying no smoke without fire.

If it is as ingrained and widespread as an hour on the internet suggests, we all all doomed at ever finding out the truth.

I will not name the names I have stumbled across, just post this link for any interested party to follow, there is other links to follow up from there.

Chilling..............

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:12 am

Bruv;1410105 wrote: There is something going on, no doubt.

I have spent an hour googling and although it is only rumour and speculation, and probably people with issues spreading rubbish, I am inclined to the old saying no smoke without fire.

If it is as ingrained and widespread as an hour on the internet suggests, we all all doomed at ever finding out the truth.

I will not name the names I have stumbled across, just post this link for any interested party to follow, there is other links to follow up from there.

Chilling..............
I'd want to see a heck more evidence than a list probably comprised by bitter Labour supporters ( don't forget we have a general Election coming and the smears have to start somewhere ) on the Internet and by twitter trolls.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:24 am

Forget 'The List', the one Scholfield slipped into his TV ratings battle.

Stand back, and consider how an iconic BBC stalwart managed to continue doing, what we now know he was doing for so many years.

Filter out the obvious weirdos, factor in some reluctance to open old wounds, embarrassment, shame etc, and the establishment closed shop......take into account your own experience of council/police/you name it, cliques, and start from there.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:38 am

Bruv;1410107 wrote: Forget 'The List', the one Scholfield slipped into his TV ratings battle.

Stand back, and consider how an iconic BBC stalwart managed to continue doing, what we now know he was doing for so many years.

Filter out the obvious weirdos, factor in some reluctance to open old wounds, embarrassment, shame etc, and the establishment closed shop......take into account your own experience of council/police/you name it, cliques, and start from there.

Two wrongs don't make a right and what you're doing Is exactly what the likes of Schofield played on... just because there was cover up's and a wall of silence In the BBC re: Savile does not mean there was a peado ring In the Tory Party.

In the Savile case, you have tens and tens of people coming forward... In the Tory allegations you have one Idiot you has Identified the wrong man.

You are jumping on the hysteria of the Savile case to boost what Is just a list on the Internet posted by trolls with absolutely no substance to them.

As for my experience with the police.. there was no cover up...there was no conspiricy of silence. It was down to one police officer who thankfully Is now no longer a police officer that the IPCC saw fit to launch a four month Investigation Into and the way my case was handled. I was very happy with the support they gave me and the outcome.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:24 am

I am not into hysterical over reaction, there is more to this than first meets the eye.

I don't know if it's a Tory and BBC ring, but my gut tells me we have much more to come.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:34 am

Bruv;1410143 wrote: I am not into hysterical over reaction, there is more to this than first meets the eye.

I don't know if it's a Tory and BBC ring, but my gut tells me we have much more to come.

Unfortunately you maybe right. I think that is a police and CPS matter and not one that television presenters should take up. What Schofield did was crass and unprofessional. What did he expect the PM to do that the police couldnt. The whole thing is turning into a soap opera. We've already had two top Tories wrongfully accused

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:56 am

Bruv;1410143 wrote: I am not into hysterical over reaction, there is more to this than first meets the eye.

I don't know if it's a Tory and BBC ring, but my gut tells me we have much more to come.
Anyone who says there Is more to this than meets the eye either knows more than the Tory Party or the media or has an active Imagination.

Go on then, tell us what It is and why you think there Is more to this.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:02 am

oscar;1410146 wrote: Anyone who says there Is more to this than meets the eye either knows more than the Tory Party or the media or has an active Imagination.

Go on then, tell us what It is and why you think there Is more to this.

I said a gut feeling tells me there is more to come.

Nothing to do with knowing facts, simply believing that the way people are reacting is hiding something.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:20 am

Bruv;1410154 wrote: I said a gut feeling tells me there is more to come.

Nothing to do with knowing facts, simply believing that the way people are reacting is hiding something.

Two men have been wrongly accused.

So who Is reacting how ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:48 am

oscar;1410155 wrote: Two men have been wrongly accused.

So who Is reacting how ?

Two men ?

I have found lists that include Royalty, not that I take it all as gospel.

Savile has been dead just over a year, he had been at the centre of the entertainment industry for decades.

So for the previous 30 odd years a really nasty devious evil bastard flew under the radar.

I am merely wondering out loud how many more there might be, with the conviction there is at least a few more.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:00 am

Bruv;1410160 wrote: Two men ?

I have found lists that include Royalty, not that I take it all as gospel.

Savile has been dead just over a year, he had been at the centre of the entertainment industry for decades.

So for the previous 30 odd years a really nasty devious evil bastard flew under the radar.

I am merely wondering out loud how many more there might be, with the conviction there is at least a few more. There has been Tories In the past convicted and Investigated for child abuse. I posted the list In another thread. There Is no denying It's happened In the past but Individuals prosecuted does not constitute a Peado ring Inside Government.

My gut feeling Is that hysteria Is mounting simply because of the cover up re: Savile In the BBC. Some people take It as read that If there Is a cover up In one large organisation, then It must follow that all organisations are harbouring child abusers.

Ironically, I feel that any worthy Investigation has now been scuppered after Innocent men wrongly being named and stunts such as Schofield tried.

The massive lawsuits I suspect will follow against Newsnight and others will deter anyone else from coming forward If there Is any truth to It.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:27 pm

Derryn Hinch days are back . "shame shame shame" lol (sorry that was a spoof catch cry of his) he named a pediphile and got sent to gaol for it.

"Michael Glennon

In 1985, Hinch found that Michael Glennon, who had previously been convicted on a charge of indecent assault with a minor, was to be tried on new charges while still running a youth camp. Hinch, who was concerned that parents were unknowingly sending their children to Glennon's camp, first appealed privately to then Victorian Premier John Cain and the then-Attorney General, as well as the head of the Roman Catholic Church in Australia, but in Hinch's words, they "washed their hands" of the situation.[8] Subsequently Hinch publicly identified Glennon during his trial on the third set of charges, in spite of the strong sub judice rule under Australian jurisprudence. This delayed the trial while Hinch was tried on contempt of court charges; Hinch was fined $10,000 and jailed for 12 days.[8] This was the first time anyone had gone to jail on a prior restraint issue in Australia.[9] Hinch appealed his case as far as the High Court of Australia, which affirmed his conviction. In its ruling the Court held that despite Hinch's motivation of warning the public that Glennon continued to hold a position in a youth organisation, it was sufficient to inform them of the current charges against him, and that the information about his prior conviction was prejudicial under Australian law.[10] Hinch calls the incident "the thing I'm most proud of in my life"

Derryn Hinch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

then admitted later, that he had sex with an underaged girl but thought she was older..... that can sometimes be forgiven I think.