Can't say I really know anything about them Amish. Traveled through Amish land. Casual observation, even up close doesn't tell me much.
Anyway, I have no reason to think of them as fools, ignorant or to be treated as Munchkins.
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What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Parodies by their nature tend to exaggerate and make even the ordinary seem ridiculous and as a people, I'm sure the Amish are no strangers to "outsiders" treating them as objects of curiosity & humor. I have a feeling they're laughing up their sleeves all the way to the bank as they rake money in off of tourists buying their handmade crafts and foods up in Pennsylvania. I hope they are and if they aren't, they should be!
We don't have any Amish here but we do have a fair amount of Mennonites. They're the less strict cousins of the Amish. They use electricity and drive cars instead of buggies but otherwise are still fairly conservative. The men dress like the rest of us but the women & girls wear demure outfits such as the Amish women wear, the only difference being they can wear pastel colors instead of just black/white/grays. They always have their hair neatly tucked up under a cap & wear no make-up. Life without lipstick has its compensations I'm sure but I just can't think of any at the moment.
In my limited interactions with them, they are always polite & friendly and the children give the appearance of being healthy, happy & bright eyed.
As far as religion goes, they don't seem inclined to proselytize and my general impression is that they simply want to live quiet rural lives within their community of like minded family members & friends and let the rest of the world go about its own way.
Getting back to the parody, I doubt they'd give it much thought but maybe some of them would see a little of themselves in it & laugh!
We don't have any Amish here but we do have a fair amount of Mennonites. They're the less strict cousins of the Amish. They use electricity and drive cars instead of buggies but otherwise are still fairly conservative. The men dress like the rest of us but the women & girls wear demure outfits such as the Amish women wear, the only difference being they can wear pastel colors instead of just black/white/grays. They always have their hair neatly tucked up under a cap & wear no make-up. Life without lipstick has its compensations I'm sure but I just can't think of any at the moment.
In my limited interactions with them, they are always polite & friendly and the children give the appearance of being healthy, happy & bright eyed. As far as religion goes, they don't seem inclined to proselytize and my general impression is that they simply want to live quiet rural lives within their community of like minded family members & friends and let the rest of the world go about its own way.
Getting back to the parody, I doubt they'd give it much thought but maybe some of them would see a little of themselves in it & laugh!
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Puppy Mills: A Side of the Amish that You Never Knew | The Puppy Mill Project
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Awww, well puppy mills aren't a good thing and I'm guessing they're not a part of the Amish religious beliefs.
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SnoozeAgain;1418128 wrote: Puppy Mills: A Side of the Amish that You Never Knew | The Puppy Mill Project
You beat me to It Snooze.... Yes, a nasty disturbing aspect of the Amish.
Puppies 'Viewed as Livestock' in Amish Community, Says Rescue Advocate - ABC News
Daily Kos: Puppy mill dogs to be shot by Amish in Ohio
Puppy mill dog dumping shows need for better enforcement
You beat me to It Snooze.... Yes, a nasty disturbing aspect of the Amish.
Puppies 'Viewed as Livestock' in Amish Community, Says Rescue Advocate - ABC News
Daily Kos: Puppy mill dogs to be shot by Amish in Ohio
Puppy mill dog dumping shows need for better enforcement
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I'll back out now because I don't know enough about the Amish religion to add any more to the topic. I answered tude dog's post with a lighthearted perspective of my superficial encounters with local Mennonites and I have a feeling this is going to turn into one of the emotional topics so I'll leave it to you two and any others to finish it up! Maybe I'll learn something!
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Don't know about the Amish but many christians believe that animals have been put on earth by God simply for our use to do with as we want. As such they have no soul and no rights although looking after them makes sense. I even saw one televangelist arguing that animal rights activists and environmentalists believe in a kind of new paganism where the earth and animals are worshipped in preference to god. One one level, Intellectually, I can understand why people do these kind of things on the other hand I really can't empathise with their point of view. Do they hide because they feel they are doing wrong or is it just they know outsiders would be horrified and they would lose sales. .
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gmc;1418144 wrote: Don't know about the Amish but many christians believe that animals have been put on earth by God simply for our use to do with as we want. As such they have no soul and no rights although looking after them makes sense. I even saw one televangelist arguing that animal rights activists and environmentalists believe in a kind of new paganism where the earth and animals are worshipped in preference to god. One one level, Intellectually, I can understand why people do these kind of things on the other hand I really can't empathise with their point of view. Do they hide because they feel they are doing wrong or is it just they know outsiders would be horrified and they would lose sales. .
Interesting... I recently watched the god channel where a Vicar was stating that animals have souls.
Do animals go to heaven? Animals have both a soul and a spirit
ii. “But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, (2 Peter 2:12)
Interesting... I recently watched the god channel where a Vicar was stating that animals have souls.
Do animals go to heaven? Animals have both a soul and a spirit
ii. “But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, (2 Peter 2:12)
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We have now two distinct issues, here.
Puppymills are not an Amish practice, only. The Ohio Amish communities seem to be in on the market, but I would hesitate to include all Amish in that discussion.
There are more puppy mills in Missouri than any other state, and few, if any of them are run by Amish people.
As a group, the Amish generally stay out of the way of the rest of the world.
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
They take exception to my pumper sticker: "The more people I meet, the more I like my Dog."
I believe that these puppy mill people, and any other who mistreat animals are on their own path to Hell.
I am sure I won't be lonely if that's where I end up.
Puppymills are not an Amish practice, only. The Ohio Amish communities seem to be in on the market, but I would hesitate to include all Amish in that discussion.
There are more puppy mills in Missouri than any other state, and few, if any of them are run by Amish people.
As a group, the Amish generally stay out of the way of the rest of the world.
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
They take exception to my pumper sticker: "The more people I meet, the more I like my Dog."
I believe that these puppy mill people, and any other who mistreat animals are on their own path to Hell.
I am sure I won't be lonely if that's where I end up.
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When I lived in Amish country I would encounter many Amish folks while out running the gravel roads. They were always polite and seemed of good cheer.
I get the impression they have joy in their lives. That is a nice thing to have.
I get the impression they have joy in their lives. That is a nice thing to have.
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LarsMac;1418150 wrote:
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
They take exception to my pumper sticker: "The more people I meet, the more I like my Dog."
Hell will be pretty crowded, if only from those of us who love our dogs.
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
They take exception to my pumper sticker: "The more people I meet, the more I like my Dog."
Hell will be pretty crowded, if only from those of us who love our dogs.
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LarsMac;1418150 wrote:
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
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That is pretty frightening. I too know many Christians and can say they all have dogs. As I think about it, they all have dogs that live inside and go on most errands with them.
Is this a particular sect of Christian?
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
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That is pretty frightening. I too know many Christians and can say they all have dogs. As I think about it, they all have dogs that live inside and go on most errands with them.
Is this a particular sect of Christian?
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LarsMac;1418150 wrote: We have now two distinct issues, here.
Puppymills are not an Amish practice, only. The Ohio Amish communities seem to be in on the market, but I would hesitate to include all Amish in that discussion.
There are more puppy mills in Missouri than any other state, and few, if any of them are run by Amish people.
As a group, the Amish generally stay out of the way of the rest of the world.
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
They take exception to my pumper sticker: "The more people I meet, the more I like my Dog."
I believe that these puppy mill people, and any other who mistreat animals are on their own path to Hell.
I am sure I won't be lonely if that's where I end up.
That's odd.(the highlighted part). I was raised in a christian family, even have a grandfather that is a 96 yr old retired methodist preacher. Never heard anyone show that kind of disrespect for animals. Do they think that animals were put on the earth for our benefit, yes, but not to be mistreated in any way. Almost all of the christians I grew up with including my grandfather had pets that they cherished like family members. My parents and brother are both still religious and have pets they love dearly. Hmm, maybe different christian sects behave this way but I've never seen it.
Puppymills are not an Amish practice, only. The Ohio Amish communities seem to be in on the market, but I would hesitate to include all Amish in that discussion.
There are more puppy mills in Missouri than any other state, and few, if any of them are run by Amish people.
As a group, the Amish generally stay out of the way of the rest of the world.
As to Christian attitudes towards animals, a majority of the Christians I know will argue from the Bible that animals are of no consequence, have no souls, and do not belong in our lives, other than to provide us with meat, and comfort.
I've actually been told that I will go to hell because I love my dogs like children.
They take exception to my pumper sticker: "The more people I meet, the more I like my Dog."
I believe that these puppy mill people, and any other who mistreat animals are on their own path to Hell.
I am sure I won't be lonely if that's where I end up.
That's odd.(the highlighted part). I was raised in a christian family, even have a grandfather that is a 96 yr old retired methodist preacher. Never heard anyone show that kind of disrespect for animals. Do they think that animals were put on the earth for our benefit, yes, but not to be mistreated in any way. Almost all of the christians I grew up with including my grandfather had pets that they cherished like family members. My parents and brother are both still religious and have pets they love dearly. Hmm, maybe different christian sects behave this way but I've never seen it.
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halfway;1418161 wrote: That is pretty frightening. I too know many Christians and can say they all have dogs. As I think about it, they all have dogs that live inside and go on most errands with them.
Is this a particular sect of Christian?
I don't think it is limited to any particular sect.
I've heard similar comments from Assy of God, United CofC, A few "Evangelic sects", Southern Baptists, and even a Methodist.
And in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Colorado.
And many of these people have dogs and cats as pets, as well. They just see them as an object of entertainment, or a possession, like their TV, though, and don't believe the critter to be of any real consequence in their lives.
Kinda weird, I know.
Many of these conversations came from comments about a particular critter's personality, and led to some really odd (IMHO) discussions.
Is this a particular sect of Christian?
I don't think it is limited to any particular sect.
I've heard similar comments from Assy of God, United CofC, A few "Evangelic sects", Southern Baptists, and even a Methodist.
And in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Colorado.
And many of these people have dogs and cats as pets, as well. They just see them as an object of entertainment, or a possession, like their TV, though, and don't believe the critter to be of any real consequence in their lives.
Kinda weird, I know.
Many of these conversations came from comments about a particular critter's personality, and led to some really odd (IMHO) discussions.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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LarsMac;1418168 wrote: I don't think it is limited to any particular sect.
I've heard similar comments from Assy of God, United CofC, A few "Evangelic sects", Southern Baptists, and even a Methodist.
And in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Colorado.
And many of these people have dogs and cats as pets, as well. They just see them as an object of entertainment, or a possession, like their TV, though, and don't believe the critter to be of any real consequence in their lives.
Kinda weird, I know.
Many of these conversations came from comments about a particular critter's personality, and led to some really odd (IMHO) discussions.
It seems frightening that of all the people, it was the Christians that gave you this impression. With the number of Christians in America, that is extremely frightening.
Do they "use" them as sled dogs, ski jouring dogs, bird dogs, duck dogs, duck dogs, rescue dogs, or companion dogs?
I've heard similar comments from Assy of God, United CofC, A few "Evangelic sects", Southern Baptists, and even a Methodist.
And in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Colorado.
And many of these people have dogs and cats as pets, as well. They just see them as an object of entertainment, or a possession, like their TV, though, and don't believe the critter to be of any real consequence in their lives.
Kinda weird, I know.
Many of these conversations came from comments about a particular critter's personality, and led to some really odd (IMHO) discussions.
It seems frightening that of all the people, it was the Christians that gave you this impression. With the number of Christians in America, that is extremely frightening.
Do they "use" them as sled dogs, ski jouring dogs, bird dogs, duck dogs, duck dogs, rescue dogs, or companion dogs?
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YZGI;1418167 wrote: That's odd.(the highlighted part). I was raised in a christian family, even have a grandfather that is a 96 yr old retired methodist preacher. Never heard anyone show that kind of disrespect for animals. Do they think that animals were put on the earth for our benefit, yes, but not to be mistreated in any way. Almost all of the christians I grew up with including my grandfather had pets that they cherished like family members. My parents and brother are both still religious and have pets they love dearly. Hmm, maybe different christian sects behave this way but I've never seen it.
You're probably gonna need a link and several non-biased studies to back up these ridiculous claims YZGI!
That was humor by the way.
You're probably gonna need a link and several non-biased studies to back up these ridiculous claims YZGI!
That was humor by the way.
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I've only had pleasant relations with Amish people. We had an Amish construction company build our addition, they were half the price and twice the quality of any of the estimates. I became friends with the owner and workers.
The problem I have with the Amish is their view of animals, to them animals are similar to machines. Amish have been known to be very abusive to their horses. I've found Mennonites to be very similar attitude wise.
The problem I have with the Amish is their view of animals, to them animals are similar to machines. Amish have been known to be very abusive to their horses. I've found Mennonites to be very similar attitude wise.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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halfway;1418173 wrote: It seems frightening that of all the people, it was the Christians that gave you this impression. With the number of Christians in America, that is extremely frightening.
Do they "use" them as sled dogs, ski jouring dogs, bird dogs, duck dogs, duck dogs, rescue dogs, or companion dogs?
Probably the worst I've witnessed was a neighbor in Florida, who was pastor at the local southern baptist church, and was also a hunter. He kept a number of hounds. they were penned up in small cages, left in the elements and were only allowed to live if they proved useful to him. made Michael Vick appear saintly.
I am not sure his children were treated a lot better, but that is another story.
Do they "use" them as sled dogs, ski jouring dogs, bird dogs, duck dogs, duck dogs, rescue dogs, or companion dogs?
Probably the worst I've witnessed was a neighbor in Florida, who was pastor at the local southern baptist church, and was also a hunter. He kept a number of hounds. they were penned up in small cages, left in the elements and were only allowed to live if they proved useful to him. made Michael Vick appear saintly.
I am not sure his children were treated a lot better, but that is another story.
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Ahso!;1418212 wrote: I've only had pleasant relations with Amish people. We had an Amish construction company build our addition, they were half the price and twice the quality of any of the estimates. I became friends with the owner and workers.
The problem I have with the Amish is their view of animals, to them animals are similar to machines. Amish have been known to be very abusive to their horses. I've found Mennonites to be very similar attitude wise.
Couldn't agree more
The problem I have with the Amish is their view of animals, to them animals are similar to machines. Amish have been known to be very abusive to their horses. I've found Mennonites to be very similar attitude wise.
Couldn't agree more
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LarsMac;1418168 wrote: I don't think it is limited to any particular sect.
I've heard similar comments from Assy of God, United CofC, A few "Evangelic sects", Southern Baptists, and even a Methodist.
And in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Colorado.
And many of these people have dogs and cats as pets, as well. They just see them as an object of entertainment, or a possession, like their TV, though, and don't believe the critter to be of any real consequence in their lives.
Kinda weird, I know.
Many of these conversations came from comments about a particular critter's personality, and led to some really odd (IMHO) discussions.These type of discussions seemed endless when I was a born-again-Christian. The minister would teach that the bible said animals were for human benefit and consumption and us members would debate that and agree that the ministers aren't always right about everything. Of course, I started to ask if that's the case why listen to what they said at all, which eventually caused me to develop a reputation that got back to the ministers.
I've heard similar comments from Assy of God, United CofC, A few "Evangelic sects", Southern Baptists, and even a Methodist.
And in Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, and Colorado.
And many of these people have dogs and cats as pets, as well. They just see them as an object of entertainment, or a possession, like their TV, though, and don't believe the critter to be of any real consequence in their lives.
Kinda weird, I know.
Many of these conversations came from comments about a particular critter's personality, and led to some really odd (IMHO) discussions.These type of discussions seemed endless when I was a born-again-Christian. The minister would teach that the bible said animals were for human benefit and consumption and us members would debate that and agree that the ministers aren't always right about everything. Of course, I started to ask if that's the case why listen to what they said at all, which eventually caused me to develop a reputation that got back to the ministers.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1418218 wrote: These type of discussions seemed endless when I was a born-again-Christian. The minister would teach that the bible said animals were for human benefit and consumption and us members would debate that and agree that the ministers aren't always right about everything. Of course, I started to ask if that's the case why listen to what they said at all, which eventually caused me to develop a reputation that got back to the ministers.
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SnoozeAgain;1418228 wrote: Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Ahso!;1418218 wrote: These type of discussions seemed endless when I was a born-again-Christian. The minister would teach that the bible said animals were for human benefit and consumption and us members would debate that and agree that the ministers aren't always right about everything. Of course, I started to ask if that's the case why listen to what they said at all, which eventually caused me to develop a reputation that got back to the ministers.
Heretic or freethinker? I thought being a freethinker in america was downright dangerous if not actually banned in some places.
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Crikey there are more of you. I am not a christian I am a free man - maybe you've never seen the prisoner in which case that last bit is totally meaningless.
Heretic or freethinker? I thought being a freethinker in america was downright dangerous if not actually banned in some places.
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Crikey there are more of you. I am not a christian I am a free man - maybe you've never seen the prisoner in which case that last bit is totally meaningless.
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Amish men charged with killing puppies
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It goes on a lot here as well you just don't hear about it. Pedigree breeders are the worst culprits it's not as though they have to account for them the ones not up to standard just get destroyed or dumped. I have one of the latter sitting at my feet just now. Bit of a nuisance actually he wrap himself round the chair wheels.