Margaret Thatcher Dead

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:00 am

No links yet but early reports claim Margaret Thatcher died today.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:03 am

Home | Mail Online

RIP Ma'am

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:14 am

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

• Margaret Thatcher

Lies. Lies. There is always more money from evil corporations and the evil rich. REDISTRIBUTE! HELP THE POOR.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:18 am

halfway;1423875 wrote: ...

Lies. Lies. There is always more money from evil corporations and the evil rich. REDISTRIBUTE! HELP THE POOR.

Works for me

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:27 am

Can we please keep this to Baroness Thatcher and not drift Into a Socialist debate?

Thanks

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:43 am

oscar;1423879 wrote: Can we please keep this to Baroness Thatcher and not drift Into a Socialist debate?

Thanks

I think not.

Do you not care about poor people and evil corporations oscar? Heartless conservative you are. Probably a jerk.

May she rest in peace.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:08 am

halfway;1423882 wrote: I think not.

Do you not care about poor people and evil corporations oscar? Heartless conservative you are. Probably a jerk.

May she rest in peace. Didn't you know? I'm not a Conservative... I'm a Facist and belong to the Far Right.

But we do have a protocol here Halfwit that we respect each others threads.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:13 am

oscar;1423890 wrote: Didn't you know? I'm not a Conservative... I'm a Facist and belong to the Far Right.

But we do have a protocol here Halfwit that we respect each others threads.:wah:

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:14 am

oscar;1423890 wrote: Didn't you know? I'm not a Conservative... I'm a Facist and belong to the Far Right.

But we do have a protocol here Halfwit that we respect each others threads.

I'm a "halfwit" and you are lecturing about respect for members? Oh my.

Far right fascist. What political spectrum are you looking at? Them crazy fascists always use the government to seize control such as national socialists, etc., etc.

You must be a halfwit.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:17 am

halfway;1423892 wrote: I'm a "halfwit" and you are lecturing about respect for members? Oh my.

Far right fascist. What political spectrum are you looking at? Them crazy fascists always use the government to seize control such as national socialists, etc., etc.

You must be a halfwit.

I shall refrain from taking this conversation further with you on account of you having some difficulty grasping the essence of this thread. However, I can recommend the early learning centres online If you need to keep up with future posts.

You have an awesome day now.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:53 am

I always liked knowing her as the "Iron Lady".

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:10 am

What's wrong with socialism anyway. Seems like it works well for those in power and the poor. And it sticks it to the rich!!!

Iron Lady.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:58 am

halfway;1423892 wrote: I'm a "halfwit" and...You're finally getting it. Recognition is the first step, now to get to step two.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:00 am

tude dog;1423898 wrote: I always liked knowing her as the "Iron Lady".Into Bondage, TD?

theia · Post by **theia** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:03 am

RIP Mrs Thatcher

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:16 am

(Saint ignores the off-topic posts) I've always liked Ms. Thatcher, even though I disagreed with her politics. I thought she went a long way towards opening the doors for women in society. It must have been very tough on her, but she was just as tough back. That deserves respect according to the "Code of the West." I never understood a lot of her political career until I watched "The Iron lady."

I was very impressed with that film, although it got mixed and average reviews. As Roger Ebert (who also died this week) said, ""Few people were neutral in their feelings about Margaret Thatcher, except the makers of this picture".

Whether you loved her or hated her, you have to admit, she followed her dreams with a vengeance and walked across the rooftops of the world in big, heavy boots. May the the same be said of us all when we are gone...

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:01 am

Margaret Thatcher Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:26 am

Saint_;1423917 wrote: (Saint ignores the off-topic posts) I've always like Ms. Thatcher, even though I disagreed with her politics. I thought she went a long way towards openig the doors for women in society. It must have been very tough on her, but she was just as tough back. That deserves respect according to the "Code of the West." I never understood a lot of her political career until I watched

The Iron lady."

I was very impressed with that film, although it got mixed and average reviews. As Roger Ebert (who also died this week) said, ""Few people were neutral in their feelings about Margaret Thatcher, except the makers of this picture".

Whether you loved her or hated her, you have to admit, she followed her dreams with a vengeance and walked across the rooftops of the world in bug, heavy boots. May the the same be said of us all when we are gone... As you Americans would say " She kicked arsse. "

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:34 am

Oscar

she did kick ass

She is a figure in history to be admired

Thatcher had some great one liners - some here may not appreciate this quote - I like it

Quote: If you want something said - ask a man

If you want something done - ask a woman

Patsy

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:35 am

im probably the last person to mourn her passing but i shall remain within the rules of the FG and just post an opinion

she was a hard woman and very unpopular with us in the north during the miners strike

she sent her storm troopers (met police) to deal with the uproar as she killed our industries both coal and steel.

now gas and oil and running out and we have to now import coal from abroad due to her short sighted policies and of those around her that we dont need a coal industry

however i always maintain that scargill should have balloted the members first and not allow the strike to decend in to anarchy.

there was wrong on both sides

king arthur wont miss you me neither or the many mining communities that you destroyed not just in yorkshire but in the north, wales and scotland.

AA. GRUMPY

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:50 am

the grumps;1423940 wrote: im probably the last person to mourn her passing she was a hard woman and very unpopular with us in the north during the miners strike

she sent her storm troopers (met police) to deal with the uproar as she killed our industries both coal and steel.

now gas and oil and running out and we have to now import coal from abroad due to her short sighted policies and of those around her that we dont need a coal industry

king arthur wont miss you me neither or the many mining communities that you destroyed not just in yorkshire but in the north, wales and scotland.

AA. GRUMPY

I may have to go away and lie down. a daily mail reader that doesn't think the sun shone out of maggies backside. :-3

Let's hope they don't give her a state funeral.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:59 am

the grumps;1423940 wrote: im probably the last person to mourn her passing but i shall remain within the rules of the FG and just post an opinion

she was a hard woman and very unpopular with us in the north during the miners strike

she sent her storm troopers (met police) to deal with the uproar as she killed our industries both coal and steel.

now gas and oil and running out and we have to now import coal from abroad due to her short sighted policies and of those around her that we dont need a coal industry

however i always maintain that scargill should have balloted the members first and not allow the strike to decend in to anarchy.

there was wrong on both sides

king arthur wont miss you me neither or the many mining communities that you destroyed not just in yorkshire but in the north, wales and scotland.

AA. GRUMPY

Utter Bollocks

Do some research of The Callaghan Labour Government that Thatcher Inherited In 1979.... The Unions were holding the country to ransom especially the Miners ooop North and British Leyland. Callaghan tried concessions which failed. The coal mines were non productive In 1979 and we ran out of electricity... go read about the 3 day working week Imposed by Callaghan In 1973. There were power cuts, black outs, schools shut for months, the dead lay unburied, rubbish piled In the street, raw swerage In the streets and rats everywhere. We had already been bailed out by the IMF and they weren't bailing us out again. When Thatcher came to power In 1979 she Inherited a country that had zero over-sea's Investment because the stranglehold the unions had made us totally uninvestable and GDP and production were at an all time low.

Compare that to the boom of the 80's and you'll see how she turned this country from the brink of economic meltdown to what It Is now....

She did what she had to do and no-one on this planet had the balls to do It.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:03 pm

Ignoring the numpties.

Possibly the greatest statesman/politician of my lifetime.

I had a grudging high regard and respect for her steadfast single minded focus.

Problem was her direction was almost the opposite way I would have chosen

I wish we had a politician with as much pure unashamed honesty, conviction, vision, and direction today......to sort out a lot of what she left behind

Post by **Betty Boop** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:10 pm

Bruv;1423943 wrote: Ignoring the numpties.

Possibly the greatest statesman/politician of my lifetime.

I had a grudging high regard and respect for her steadfast single minded focus.

Problem was her direction was almost the opposite way I would have chosen

I wish we had a politician with as much pure unashamed honesty, conviction, vision, and direction today......to sort out a lot of what she left behind

:wah: Agreed. Can't say I much liked her direction with politics, but she will always be remembered as the first woman to be prime minister (and the only one at the rate we're going).

RIP Maggie.

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:14 pm

oscar;1423942 wrote: Utter Bollocks

Do some research of The Callaghan Labour Government that Thatcher Inherited In 1979.... The Unions were holding the country to ransom especially the Miners ooop North and British Leyland. Callaghan tried concessions which failed. The coal mines were non productive In 1979 and we ran out of electricity... go read about the 3 day working week Imposed by Callaghan In 1973. There were power cuts, black outs, schools shut for months, the dead lay unburied, rubbish piled In the street, raw swerage In the streets and rats everywhere. We had already been bailed out by the IMF and they weren't bailing us out again. When Thatcher came to power In 1979 she Inherited a country that had zero over-sea's Investment because the stranglehold the unions had made us totally uninvestable and GDP and production were at an all time low.

Compare that to the boom of the 80's and you'll see how she turned this country from the brink of economic meltdown to what It Is now....

She did what she had to do and no-one on this planet had the balls to do It.

you talk utter bollocks oscar i lived through the strike seeing whole communities ripped apart the police without numbers on being shipped up north from london and kent.

tramping through the snow to our local wood so we had fire a during strike

the food shortages eu tinned meat given to the miners families or soup kitchens at bentley pavilion so the miners families got at least one hot meal a day as the activists begged for food to be donated to the miners and their families police brutality against the miners, scabs being taken in to work on wire meshed window,d scab buses.

the aftermath of pit closures especially in yorkshire i could go on

i hope its nothing anyone ever has to live through again

still you loads of money southern bastards where ok though wasn,t you

watch this this was the truth of the strike

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:41 pm

the grumps;1423946 wrote: you talk utter bollocks oscar i lived through the strike seeing whole communities ripped apart the police without numbers on being shipped up north from london and kent.

tramping through the snow to our local wood so we had fire a during strike

the food shortages eu tinned meat given to the miners families or soup kitchens at bentley pavilion so the miners families got at least one hot meal a day as the activists begged for food to be donated to the miners and their families police brutality against the miners, scabs being taken in to work on wire meshed window,d scab buses.

the aftermath of pit closures especially in yorkshire i could go on

i hope its nothing anyone ever has to live through again

still you loads of money southern bastards where ok though wasn,t you

watch this this was the truth of the strike Miners Strike 1984/85 - YouTube Blame the Unions who held the entire country to ransom not Thatcher.

It was actually the Labour Government In 1947 who nationalised the British Coal Industry and Instructed the miners to produce as little coal as possible. It was the coming of cheap oil In the 50's and 60's that made the government produce coal as cheaply as possible. In 1972 the Miners brought about black outs with their first strike and actually became the highest paid workers....

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:44 pm

I believe she's entitled to a State Funeral.

We'll see - I haven't heard the formalities.

Patsy

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:55 pm

She was a Thatcher. She became Prime minister. Just like that movie Knight Tales, she changed the stars. RIP:sneaky::-3

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:14 pm

I suppose I should put that in question form

Isn't Thatcher entitled to a State Funeral.?

Her position should create a production as Princess Di.

Patsy

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:21 pm

Patsy Warnick;1423958 wrote: I suppose I should put that in question form

Isn't Thatcher entitled to a State Funeral.?

Her position should create a production as Princess Di.

Patsy
Not a State Funeral but a Ceremonial funeral with military honours HERE

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:32 pm

I want a National Day of Mourning for her and a bank holiday named In her honour.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:09 pm

oscar;1423963 wrote: I want a National Day of Mourning for her and a bank holiday named In her honour.

You are having a laugh

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:30 pm

posted by saint

(Saint ignores the off-topic posts) I've always like Ms. Thatcher, even though I disagreed with her politics. I thought she went a long way towards openig the doors for women in society. It must have been very tough on her, but she was just as tough back. That deserves respect according to the "Code of the West." I never understood a lot of her political career until I watched

The Iron lady."

Did she really? Name one other prominent female cabinet minister she appointed while she was prime minister

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:51 pm

gmc

The tone sounds as if you didn't care for Thatcher may I ask why?

I'm just curious - did a decision effect you directly as Grumps mentioned with the miners situation? or?

Patsy

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:59 pm

gmc;1423967 wrote:

Did she really? Name one other prominent female cabinet minister she appointed while she was prime minister

Hillary Clinton. I said "opened doors for women." I didn't say "In your country!"

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:39 pm

Patsy Warnick;1423970 wrote: gmc

The tone sounds as if you didn't care for Thatcher may I ask why?

I'm just curious - did a decision effect you directly as Grumps mentioned with the miners situation? or?

Patsy

What she did directly affected me then and it still does to this day. Arguably Thatcher is one of the most destructive politicians we have had in recent history in the UK. People either think she was wonderful or hate her guts. It's kind of hard to explain in just a few sentences. She destroyed so many communities and made greed and money grabbing acceptable. Britain used to be an industrial nation - in fact we were the first country in the world to go through the industrial revolution thatcher destroyed that ethos and replaced it with the insane notion that the UK could do better as a service economy and a strong financial sector providing all the jobs. Like reagan she was a monetarist and the same insane economic philosophy has also blighted america. You can only create wealth if you make things to sell or grow things to sell bankers don't make wealth industry and agriculture does. The Financial service sector is a parasite when it becomes too important and powerful it will destroy the economy it is supposed to service. We are in the midst of the third great economic collapse since the Second World War: all three have taken place since Thatcherism. This current crisis has roots in the Thatcherite free market experiment, which wiped out much of the country’s industrial base in favour of a deregulated financial sector. She was ideologically opposed to the notion of state enterprise so she privatised all the gas, electricity, water industries. Bear in mind in the case of water you are talking about something that was NEVER EVER in private hands, all the infrastructure was build and paid for by local authorities. Gas and electricity and telecoms were also built and developed by a nationalised industry without which many rural areas would never have been brought on line were it left to a private company to provide. Now we pay through the nose and all the profits go to overseas companies for something we used to own. What sahe said sounds quite good taken in isolation, what she did was appalling.

I wouldn't dance on her grave and to those celebrating ion the streets I would say what did you do to stop her then and to undo the damage. The sycophantic eulogising about her makes me angry. When you ask what good did maggie do you cannot get a coherent rational answer - read what oscar is saying and you will see what I mean.

Owen Jones: Thatcherism was a national catastrophe that still poisons us - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:53 pm

1st - I've never heard "Thatcherism" before.

If I have this right your utilities are privately owned and you now receive a seperate bill for the gas- water - electric.

which is how the US operates.

your water was free prior to Thatcherism? wow

Is this seperation not working for the better?

Or is it upsetting that the private Co.'s can increase the rate at a whim?

US rates increase constantly

Maybe Pres. Reagan rubbed off onto Thatcher.. just kidding

Oscar supports Thatcher - your not much of a supporter - she hit your wallet which would piss one off of course.

I read the article & I appreciate your reply in understanding difference in opinions.

Thatcher was voted in position right - not appointed?

What is said in public and what really transpires - that's politics

Patsy

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:03 am

A little more about the lady to fill in some background

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:18 am

Patsy Warnick;1424001 wrote: your water was free prior to Thatcherism? wow

No Patsy, we paid a local public utility for water, and what we paid was used to extend and maintain the infrastructure. Privatization has meant that what we pay now also goes to shareholders and supports a far larger administrative overhead of super-wealthy corporate board members and senior management. What's allocated toward extending and maintaining the infrastructure is a far lower proportion of what we pay than it used to be. That's capitalism. The company for my region is currently French and their interest in local affairs is utterly non-existent. This wasn't the case when the infrastructure was efficiently managed by Bristol Waterworks.

The entire nation owned these utilities before they were sold off by the Thatcher government in a one-off fire-sale to offset tax reductions for the wealthy. Now, instead, the shareholders suck profits from their monopoly supply arrangement. I have no choice who I buy water from, I have no choice whether or not to buy water - there's a legal obligation on me to pay these capitalist leeches whether I connect to their pipes or not. I know perfectly well who to blame for what happened.

Speaking of whom, did I read she died in the Ritz Hotel?[1] - I wonder who was paying for that, then.

[1]: "She died after suffering a stroke while staying at the Ritz hotel in central London".

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:16 am

gmc;1423979 wrote: What she did directly affected me then and it still does to this day. Arguably Thatcher is one of the most destructive politicians we have had in recent history in the UK. People either think she was wonderful or hate her guts. It's kind of hard to explain in just a few sentences. She destroyed so many communities and made greed and money grabbing acceptable. Britain used to be an industrial nation - in fact we were the first country in the world to go through the industrial revolution thatcher destroyed that ethos and replaced it with the insane notion that the UK could do better as a service economy and a strong financial sector providing all the jobs. Like reagan she was a monetarist and the same insane economic philosophy has also blighted america. You can only create wealth if you make things to sell or grow things to sell bankers don't make wealth industry and agriculture does. The Financial service sector is a parasite when it becomes too important and powerful it will destroy the economy it is supposed to service. We are in the midst of the third great economic collapse since the Second World War: all three have taken place since Thatcherism. This current crisis has roots in the Thatcherite free market experiment, which wiped out much of the country’s industrial base in favour of a deregulated financial sector. She was ideologically opposed to the notion of state enterprise so she privatised all the gas, electricity, water industries. Bear in mind in the case of water you are talking about something that was NEVER EVER in private hands, all the infrastructure was build and paid for by local authorities. Gas and electricity and telecoms were also built and developed by a nationalised industry without which many rural areas would never have been brought on line were it left to a private company to provide. Now we pay through the nose and all the profits go to overseas companies for something we used to own. What sahe said sounds quite good taken in isolation, what she did was appalling.

I wouldn't dance on her grave and to those celebrating ion the streets I would say what did you do to stop her then and to undo the damage. The sycophantic eulogising about her makes me angry. When you ask what good did maggie do you cannot get a coherent rational answer - read what oscar is saying and you will see what I mean.

Owen Jones: Thatcherism was a national catastrophe that still poisons us - Comment - Voices - The Independent

You and Grumps live In the past and you need to move on. We've had a far worse damaging Government since Thatcher under Blair but your hatred, anger, and resentment still simmer Inside you.

Facebook Is awash with people like you who bang on about their hatred for Thatcher yet can not come up with one single counter arguement as to what she should have done after Callaghan's concessions failed. You can offer no debate, no counter claim, nothing to offer except hatred.

So tell me then, without the vitriolic diatribe, how exactly should she have turned the country around when the IMF had already bailed us out once, the Unions had brought about virtually zero production, no oversea's Investment, the lowest GDP In history, unproductive coal mines, 3 day weeks, country run out of electricity, concessions failing, Flying Picketts, the UK the laughing stock of the world, Unemployment at a record high, money not moving, banks not lending and the entire country on the brink of economic meltdown. Come on then GMC, what should she have done ?

Yes, she died In the Ritz Hotel.... And ? Maybe her wages paid for that.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:57 am

With all due respect Oscar you talk as if she was the messiah.

There is no two ways about it, she wrecked the country single handedly, by steamrolling her dogmatic ideologies through, just happens that circumstances allowed her to ride on a wave of public approval.

I have compared her to Hitler and Mugabe to everybodies astonishment before, but I think it still applies.

They were all single minded nationalists, lead by a national need, who accomplished great things then went too far by a long shot.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:10 pm

Patsy Warnick;1424001 wrote: 1st - I've never heard "Thatcherism" before.

If I have this right your utilities are privately owned and you now receive a seperate bill for the gas- water - electric.

which is how the US operates.

your water was free prior to Thatcherism? wow

Is this seperation not working for the better?

Or is it upsetting that the private Co.'s can increase the rate at a whim?

US rates increase constantly

Maybe Pres. Reagan rubbed off onto Thatcher.. just kidding

Oscar supports Thatcher - your not much of a supporter - she hit your wallet which would piss one off of course.

I read the article & I appreciate your reply in understanding difference in opinions.

Thatcher was voted in position right - not appointed?

What is said in public and what really transpires - that's politics

Patsy

It's actually one of the tenets of capitalism that some things are far too important to be left in private hands, government has an important role to play. For a successful workforce you need a good education system, healthy workers, good infrastructure and also a well paid work force. The utilities are essential for the well being of everybody having them in private hands and especially a private monopoly is not a good thing. The water supply and infrastructure in the UK - all the supply and sewerage systems- was paid for and developed by local authorities and later state owned companies. It was never ever in private hands and private companies played little part in financing the development. It was the same with electricity - the national grid that connects the whole of the UK was built by government to help develop the economy. With thatcher it was all just handed over o private corporations, we still pay for it just get less back and now we have a failing power generation system that is probably going to be financed by government anyway.

Essentially it boils down to a political dispute over the part government should play in society. You either have a liberal capitalist point of view that government has an important part to play not least in curbing the excesses and abuse of capitalism by the creation of monopolies are cartels or a fascist one like thatcher that it's dog eat dog survival of the fittest and government is there to serve the interests of big business and has no part in improving the lot of the people. You have the same divisions in the US you just use different terminology.

posted by oscar

So tell me then, without the vitriolic diatribe, how exactly should she have turned the country around when the IMF had already bailed us out once, the Unions had brought about virtually zero production, no oversea's Investment, the lowest GDP In history, unproductive coal mines, 3 day weeks, country run out of electricity, concessions failing, Flying Picketts, the UK the laughing stock of the world, Unemployment at a record high, money not moving, banks not lending and the entire country on the brink of economic meltdown. Come on then GMC, what should she have done ?

Yes, she died In the Ritz Hotel.... And ? Maybe her wages paid for that.

The old traditional industries were dying out and would have faded away, the union closed shop was abolished and union power would have faded with some of the reforms she brought in. What she could have done was use some of the windfall from north sea oio to invest in infrastructure and develop new industries ion those areas that were in decline. Instead she used the money to give tax cuts to people who were already well off and a sledgehammer to destroy wholesale those areas she saw as now being redundant with absolutely no regard for the consequences in those areas. It was savage and didn't need to be that way she created a social divide in society that has grown bigger over the years. She didn't give a **** who she hurt with her policies and I think something special was destroyed in the UK and all that was left was a poverty of spirit sunk in despair. If she could have done she would have had the troops ouit gunning down demonstrators.

You remember her praising lech walesa in poland while at home she was destroying the power of the workers? I try hard to be objective but with thatcher that is difficult.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:24 pm

Bruv;1424045 wrote: With all due respect Oscar you talk as if she was the messiah.

There is no two ways about it, she wrecked the country single handedly, by steamrolling her dogmatic ideologies through, just happens that circumstances allowed her to ride on a wave of public approval.

I have compared her to Hitler and Mugabe to everybodies astonishment before, but I think it still applies.

They were all single minded nationalists, lead by a national need, who accomplished great things then went too far by a long shot.

Some of her policies were destructive I agree but more destructive than Blair ?

She should be recognised for her achievements.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:18 pm

oscar;1424053 wrote: Some of her policies were destructive I agree but more destructive than Blair ?

She should be recognised for her achievements.

OK, so Tony Blair was a war criminal but apart from that he did very little damage to our country - Maggie, however, allowed personal animosity to come before the good of the nation and that is unforgivable in a politician.

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:01 pm

and to close a little song from grumpy ready mr editor

intro (tune to the munchkins ding dong..fast ) ....let the joyus news be spread the wicked old witch at last is dead

ding dong the witch is dead which old witch the tin draws witch ding dong the wicked witch is dead.

wake up you sleepyhead grab your coat cos scargill said ding dong the wicked witch is dead.

she,s gone where the miners go below below below below with the old mc gregor troll.

hi ho the merry o sing it high and sing it low let them know the wicked witch is dead.:wah::yh_rotfl:guitarist:p:yh_worshp

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:10 pm

Bryn Mawr;1424072 wrote: OK, so Tony Blair was a war criminal but apart from that he did very little damage to our country - Maggie, however, allowed personal animosity to come before the good of the nation and that is unforgivable in a politician.
Tough times, tough measures.

Personal animosity Is what led Blair to Invade Iraq wasn't It ?

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:22 pm

gmc

Thank you

I wonder sometimes who the hell wants to be Pres. of the US ?

The last Pres. left a mess - how can anyone rectify the crisis in our Country.?

Oscar explains Thatcher was handed a mess - so at the time she stepped into her position what is it that she should've done for the best of all?

Did Thatcher start off wrong immediately? Is there something she did right? Isn't there some credit given to her?

Is the majority in the UK anti Thatcher? I'm just curious - - I didn't know?

This makes me think Thatcher was selfish driven - priority misplaced. I don't know?

I think just holding the position of Prime Minister warrants some respect.

Patsy

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:29 pm

Grumps

OMG the song :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:36 pm

The fact that Thatcher won a landslide re-election in 1983 spoke volumes... the people of Britain returned her to power

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:44 am

oscar;1424084 wrote: The fact that Thatcher won a landslide re-election in 1983 spoke volumes... the people of Britain returned her to power

The opposition vote was split. The centrist Labour Party renegade Gang of Four had started the SDP and taken so much of the Labour vote that neither could be first past the post. It's a simple truism that any party whose vote is split under UK parliamentary electoral rules is going to lose. Margaret Thatcher didn't win three elections, Labour lost three elections during an internal power struggle between the Socialists and the SDP.

As for 1983, Donald Duck could have been elected on the wave of Falklands euphoria. That's why the woman staged the full-blown war in the first place once the invasion had happened. The Argentinian Junta and Thatcherism, two tottering systems looking for Jingoist "our country right or wrong" backing and gambling on winning the roll of the dice.