oscar;1424267 wrote: What utter bollocks...
Perhaps some research wouldn't go amiss before such outrageous claims are made,
Thatcher requested to be cremated years ago on account of her beloved husbands body was cremated at Mortlake Crematorium in Richmond, London, which was his wish. As with many long married couples, she requested that In the event of her death, she be cremated and her ashes placed with those of her husbands,
The claims here are nothing but wishful thinking,
What part of my post was, as you so succinctly put it .....bollocks?
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Then let me add my own tribute to the Lady If we are talking songs.
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oscar;1424275 wrote: Then let me add my own tribute to the Lady If we are talking songs.
I am not talking songs, just reporting the News.
I am not talking songs, just reporting the News.
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Bruv;1424276 wrote: I am not talking songs, just reporting the News. And It's my thread..... so ner
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oscar;1424277 wrote: And It's my thread..... so ner
We revoked thread ownership years ago after an Odie moment.
We revoked thread ownership years ago after an Odie moment.
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Bruv;1424276 wrote: I am not talking songs, just reporting the News. A Newly appointed Royal reporter was announced today at Buckingham Palace.
The so far unnamed man was appointed Royal reporter after receiving world wide acclaim for his diligence In bringing news to Americans after they were left floundering at what all the fuss Is about.
The so far unnamed man was appointed Royal reporter after receiving world wide acclaim for his diligence In bringing news to Americans after they were left floundering at what all the fuss Is about.
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oscar;1424283 wrote: A Newly appointed Royal reporter was announced today at Buckingham Palace.
The so far unnamed man was appointed Royal reporter after receiving world wide acclaim for his diligence In bringing news to Americans after they were left floundering at what all the fuss Is about.
Thats a bit .........what they call.....random.....ennit ?
The so far unnamed man was appointed Royal reporter after receiving world wide acclaim for his diligence In bringing news to Americans after they were left floundering at what all the fuss Is about.
Thats a bit .........what they call.....random.....ennit ?
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It seems the queen has more sense than her government.
Thatcher funeral's military pomp raises concerns at Buckingham Palace | Politics | The Guardian
Thatcher funeral's military pomp raises concerns at Buckingham Palace
BBC chief refuses to ban Margaret Thatcher death song - Telegraph
We live in a free country where we can say what we like about politicians. It seems there are those who think all comment should be stifled.
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I don't think very much of those who dance on her grave and are downloading her song but they have every right to do so. It seems there are those who think the bbc should do what it is told by politicians. Isn't it a good thing that the murdoch papers hacking scandal has at least taken the privatising of the bbc and selling it to sky off the table. That's another thing Maggie did by the way, when you pay through the nose for sky just remember who made sure there was no real competition for him to deal with.
This eulogising of thatcher is like a red rag to a bull a quiet dignified funeral would have been much better. This is angering an awful lot of people - a government throwing people on the poverty line deeper in to debt while giving tax breaks to the rich and doing nothing about those companies evading tax spending 8 million on a state funeral for thatcher is something out of a very bad political movie. You couldn't make it up could you? Ironically I would be willing to bet thatcher herself would have objected to the fuss.
On a brighter note maybe the rest of the world will get a chance to see the bolshie british psyche that gave the world concepts like free speech and parliamentary democracy. Our freedom owes nothing to people like thatcher or cameron or blair it's all due to the wee punter at the bottom of the pile standing up and shouting what do you think you are playing at F--k off you bastards I've had enough of this crap.
On an even happier note it might make more likely a yes vote on scottish independence.
New Labour, new danger: Tony Blair leads party grandees in attack on Ed Miliband - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
That should be Blair sets out to completely destroy the labour party. He gave the phrase up the workers a new dimension.
Thatcher funeral's military pomp raises concerns at Buckingham Palace | Politics | The Guardian
Thatcher funeral's military pomp raises concerns at Buckingham Palace
BBC chief refuses to ban Margaret Thatcher death song - Telegraph
We live in a free country where we can say what we like about politicians. It seems there are those who think all comment should be stifled.
Re:R1 Chart show will not play full Thatcher row song
I don't think very much of those who dance on her grave and are downloading her song but they have every right to do so. It seems there are those who think the bbc should do what it is told by politicians. Isn't it a good thing that the murdoch papers hacking scandal has at least taken the privatising of the bbc and selling it to sky off the table. That's another thing Maggie did by the way, when you pay through the nose for sky just remember who made sure there was no real competition for him to deal with.
This eulogising of thatcher is like a red rag to a bull a quiet dignified funeral would have been much better. This is angering an awful lot of people - a government throwing people on the poverty line deeper in to debt while giving tax breaks to the rich and doing nothing about those companies evading tax spending 8 million on a state funeral for thatcher is something out of a very bad political movie. You couldn't make it up could you? Ironically I would be willing to bet thatcher herself would have objected to the fuss.
On a brighter note maybe the rest of the world will get a chance to see the bolshie british psyche that gave the world concepts like free speech and parliamentary democracy. Our freedom owes nothing to people like thatcher or cameron or blair it's all due to the wee punter at the bottom of the pile standing up and shouting what do you think you are playing at F--k off you bastards I've had enough of this crap.
On an even happier note it might make more likely a yes vote on scottish independence.
New Labour, new danger: Tony Blair leads party grandees in attack on Ed Miliband - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
That should be Blair sets out to completely destroy the labour party. He gave the phrase up the workers a new dimension.
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I would, on reflection, have been quite impressed had she bequeathed her body to a London NHS teaching hospital.
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Red Ken has an unusually balanced assessment amid all the hallooing of the last couple of days.
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Týr;1424293 wrote: Red Ken has an unusually balanced assessment amid all the hallooing of the last couple of days. I prefer a rather more statistically, factual account than the náusea Inducing twittering of a political hasbeen who was only very recently laughed and ridiculed out of the room by Labour’s National Executive Committee In Tower Hamlet's.
The other big nationalised industries — coal, steel, power and the railways — were overmanned, heavily subsidised, unable to compete internationally and a drain on the taxpayer. The phones were nationalised, too, and it could take six months to get a line installed. Without a serious restructuring of the economy, Britain would not only never join the modern world — it would go bust.
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The other big nationalised industries — coal, steel, power and the railways — were overmanned, heavily subsidised, unable to compete internationally and a drain on the taxpayer. The phones were nationalised, too, and it could take six months to get a line installed. Without a serious restructuring of the economy, Britain would not only never join the modern world — it would go bust.
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oscar;1424294 wrote: I prefer a rather more statistically, factual account than the náusea Inducing twittering of a political hasbeen who was only very recently laughed and ridiculed out of the room by Labour’s National Executive Committee In Tower Hamlet's.Just because you rubbish something doesn't mean it's rubbish. Pick a claimed fact or two out of the piece and say why it's not factual, that would be relevant. I spit on your prejudice.
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Týr;1424295 wrote: Just because you rubbish something doesn't mean it's rubbish. Pick a claimed fact or two out of the piece and say why it's not factual, that would be relevant. I spit on your prejudice.
You can exercise your right to side with what ever camp you like, as I do. However, I do not care enough to prove statistics either way. If I believed It would make a scrap of difference, I may be Inclined, but neither camp Is going to be cajoled Into understanding anything they see as so black and white.
You can exercise your right to side with what ever camp you like, as I do. However, I do not care enough to prove statistics either way. If I believed It would make a scrap of difference, I may be Inclined, but neither camp Is going to be cajoled Into understanding anything they see as so black and white.
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My least favourite double act is alive and kicking.
If our Ken is unavailable, perhaps we could get gmc to stand for PM
If our Ken is unavailable, perhaps we could get gmc to stand for PM
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Bruv;1424298 wrote: My least favourite double act is alive and kicking.
If our Ken is unavailable, perhaps we could get gmc to stand for PM
gmc makes more sense than most. Too bad he didn't choose a political career.
If our Ken is unavailable, perhaps we could get gmc to stand for PM
gmc makes more sense than most. Too bad he didn't choose a political career.
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oscar;1424296 wrote: I do not care enough to prove statistics either way.The only possible thing you can actually mean is that the facts written in that article by Red Ken are all verifiable facts, and your " náusea Inducing twittering of a political hasbeen" is the only response you're capable of since the facts themselves are unassailable. Smear all you like, it reflects solely on yourself.
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Týr;1424301 wrote: The only possible thing you can actually mean is that the facts written in that article by Red Ken are all verifiable facts, and your " náusea Inducing twittering of a political hasbeen" is the only response you're capable of since the facts themselves are unassailable. Smear all you like, it reflects solely on yourself.
It occurred to me last night to find some of my references when I studied the Trade Unions years ago should the thread take that direction but then I think much of what was written back then, Is somewhere on the Internet. I don't really care one way or the other of a smarmy, nauseating hasbeen who uses any opportunity to grab the headlines. There are many factual accounts on the web yet the onus Is not on me to prove him wrong, the onus Is on you to prove him correct as It was you who provided the link to him.
His stats may be accurate, they may be awry, I don't care enough to waste my time checking any claims by a hasbeen.
It occurred to me last night to find some of my references when I studied the Trade Unions years ago should the thread take that direction but then I think much of what was written back then, Is somewhere on the Internet. I don't really care one way or the other of a smarmy, nauseating hasbeen who uses any opportunity to grab the headlines. There are many factual accounts on the web yet the onus Is not on me to prove him wrong, the onus Is on you to prove him correct as It was you who provided the link to him.
His stats may be accurate, they may be awry, I don't care enough to waste my time checking any claims by a hasbeen.
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Who is Red Ken? Do you mean K.Snyder?
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AnneBoleyn;1424306 wrote: Who is Red Ken? Do you mean K.Snyder?
Red Ken
Red Ken
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Bruv;1424307 wrote: Red Ken
I see. One of your boys. & I remembered 'K.' stands for Kev(?). Thank you Bruv.
I see. One of your boys. & I remembered 'K.' stands for Kev(?). Thank you Bruv.
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That's another thing she did - abolish the GLC for having the unmitigated temerity to vote for left wing parties. Mind you new labour tried to keep red ken out as well with no success. It seems parts of london outside the city didn't like her either.
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His stats may be accurate, they may be awry, I don't care enough to waste my time checking any claims by a has been.
You do seem to be overly impressed by a dead has been. Her own party stabbed her in the back. Who can forget mogadon man's resignation speech. OK it might have been his one and only worthwhile moment as a politician.
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Geoffrey Howe Full Resignation Speech Part 1 - YouTube
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His stats may be accurate, they may be awry, I don't care enough to waste my time checking any claims by a has been.
You do seem to be overly impressed by a dead has been. Her own party stabbed her in the back. Who can forget mogadon man's resignation speech. OK it might have been his one and only worthwhile moment as a politician.
Geoffrey Howe Full Resignation Speech Part 1 - YouTube
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As an aside but totally related, can anyone explain the reasoning given at the time behind the stipulation that council house sales reciepts couldn't be ploughed back into council housing projects?
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slightly less vitriol
Thatcher’s legacy: where there is discord, could there be harmony? - Comment - Voices - The Independent
I’m talking about the many more people who very quietly have just sat there and had a little whisky to themselves and thought: this dreadful, dreadful woman is finally gone. That’s how much they despised her. And they despised her not because they disagreed with her policies but because what she did helped to ruin their lives. A very few people became rich because of Margaret Thatcher, and then they gloated over it. It wasn’t just that there were three million unemployed – it was that if you were one of them, it was your own fault.
For example, a Chilean woman living in Britain was quoted in The Nation magazine, saying: “The Thatcher government directly supported Pinochet’s murderous regime, financially, via military support, even military training. Members of my family were tortured and murdered under Pinochet, who was one of Thatcher’s closest allies and friend.
But this week Thatcher fans have been unrestrained in their abuse for anyone not displaying “compassion. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt and accept they’ve just discovered it.
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Let's not forget what she had to say about that terrorist Nelson Mandela
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Thatcher joined Ronald Reagan in a policy of "constructive engagement" to seek reform from a government that they saw as a bulwark against Soviet-backed communism in Africa. Refusing to back sanctions, Thatcher infamously dismissed the African National Congress (ANC) as "a typical terrorist organisation".
Her stance became one of the political flashpoints of the 1980s and is now regarded as one of her greatest misjudgments. She was denounced by Britain's anti-apartheid movement, which took to the streets to demand South Africa's isolation. The MP Peter Hain recalled seeing Conservative students wearing "Hang Nelson Mandela" badges on campus.
Somehow she gets the credit for ending apartheid?
In many areas it has been confusing for Jehovah’s Witnesses, as every time they knock on a door and asked, “Have you heard the good news, they’ get “Yes mate, I have, do you want to come in for a beer?
Better they bury her quietly and let those who wanted to attend her funeral. Making it a state occasion is a big big mistake.
Thatcher’s legacy: where there is discord, could there be harmony? - Comment - Voices - The Independent
I’m talking about the many more people who very quietly have just sat there and had a little whisky to themselves and thought: this dreadful, dreadful woman is finally gone. That’s how much they despised her. And they despised her not because they disagreed with her policies but because what she did helped to ruin their lives. A very few people became rich because of Margaret Thatcher, and then they gloated over it. It wasn’t just that there were three million unemployed – it was that if you were one of them, it was your own fault.
For example, a Chilean woman living in Britain was quoted in The Nation magazine, saying: “The Thatcher government directly supported Pinochet’s murderous regime, financially, via military support, even military training. Members of my family were tortured and murdered under Pinochet, who was one of Thatcher’s closest allies and friend.
But this week Thatcher fans have been unrestrained in their abuse for anyone not displaying “compassion. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt and accept they’ve just discovered it.
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
Let's not forget what she had to say about that terrorist Nelson Mandela
South Africans give mixed response to Margaret Thatcher death | Politics | guardian.co.uk
Thatcher joined Ronald Reagan in a policy of "constructive engagement" to seek reform from a government that they saw as a bulwark against Soviet-backed communism in Africa. Refusing to back sanctions, Thatcher infamously dismissed the African National Congress (ANC) as "a typical terrorist organisation".
Her stance became one of the political flashpoints of the 1980s and is now regarded as one of her greatest misjudgments. She was denounced by Britain's anti-apartheid movement, which took to the streets to demand South Africa's isolation. The MP Peter Hain recalled seeing Conservative students wearing "Hang Nelson Mandela" badges on campus.
Somehow she gets the credit for ending apartheid?
In many areas it has been confusing for Jehovah’s Witnesses, as every time they knock on a door and asked, “Have you heard the good news, they’ get “Yes mate, I have, do you want to come in for a beer?
Better they bury her quietly and let those who wanted to attend her funeral. Making it a state occasion is a big big mistake.
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Bruv;1424334 wrote: As an aside but totally related, can anyone explain the reasoning given at the time behind the stipulation that council house sales reciepts couldn't be ploughed back into council housing projects? I am looking Into that. Sorry but my education at the time was directly Unions which of course Involved Thatcher to a great extent.
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gmc;1424331 wrote:
You do seem to be overly impressed by a dead has been. Her own party stabbed her in the back.
[/url] Not at all but I am a realist and realise that however much work I put Into writing about her historical struggle with Scargill and Unions, It will be lost In the diatribes of bile and spew for what was now, an old woman.
Thatcher got much wrong but she also got much right. Whilst I remain Impartial to her failings and her strengths, those that wished her dead, do not. It's rather like me putting Blinkers on my horse In a six furlong sprint and expecting her to run In circles. Some things are simply not worth the effort. The country will always remain divided but what Is fact, Is that she will go down In history and be debated about for many generations to come. And as my husband said last night, at the end of the day, poll stats or not, she was democratically voted In three times by her countrymen.
You do seem to be overly impressed by a dead has been. Her own party stabbed her in the back.
[/url] Not at all but I am a realist and realise that however much work I put Into writing about her historical struggle with Scargill and Unions, It will be lost In the diatribes of bile and spew for what was now, an old woman.
Thatcher got much wrong but she also got much right. Whilst I remain Impartial to her failings and her strengths, those that wished her dead, do not. It's rather like me putting Blinkers on my horse In a six furlong sprint and expecting her to run In circles. Some things are simply not worth the effort. The country will always remain divided but what Is fact, Is that she will go down In history and be debated about for many generations to come. And as my husband said last night, at the end of the day, poll stats or not, she was democratically voted In three times by her countrymen.
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This was The Brighton bomb. Planted by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
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I was just 7 miles away when the bomb went off. Even 7 miles away, we heard It and people ran out Into the streets.
My ex husband a Fire fighter who dealt with electrical and chemical fires was called to the scene.
They didn't put off then and no amount of protesting will stop her funeral.
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I was just 7 miles away when the bomb went off. Even 7 miles away, we heard It and people ran out Into the streets.
My ex husband a Fire fighter who dealt with electrical and chemical fires was called to the scene.
They didn't put off then and no amount of protesting will stop her funeral.
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oscar;1424358 wrote: Not at all but I am a realist and realise that however much work I put Into writing about her historical struggle with Scargill and Unions, It will be lost In the diatribes of bile and spew for what was now, an old woman.
Thatcher got much wrong but she also got much right. Whilst I remain Impartial to her failings and her strengths, those that wished her dead, do not. It's rather like me putting Blinkers on my horse In a six furlong sprint and expecting her to run In circles. Some things are simply not worth the effort. The country will always remain divided but what Is fact, Is that she will go down In history and be debated about for many generations to come. And as my husband said last night, at the end of the day, poll stats or not, she was democratically voted In three times by her countrymen.
They should bury her like they do every other prime minister - without a state funeral. It's the eulogising of her that is gettng people worked up and then being asked to pay fior her funeral and told that we should be grateful to a great prime minister :-5:-5. Our politicians are seriously out of touch.
Her legacy is a nation divided and the break up of the united kingdom. (assuming there is yes vote in the rerefendun which quite frankly is getting likelier by the day ).
It would not be altogether surprised if the is an outbreak of rioting like there was in 2011.
Thatcher got much wrong but she also got much right. Whilst I remain Impartial to her failings and her strengths, those that wished her dead, do not. It's rather like me putting Blinkers on my horse In a six furlong sprint and expecting her to run In circles. Some things are simply not worth the effort. The country will always remain divided but what Is fact, Is that she will go down In history and be debated about for many generations to come. And as my husband said last night, at the end of the day, poll stats or not, she was democratically voted In three times by her countrymen.
They should bury her like they do every other prime minister - without a state funeral. It's the eulogising of her that is gettng people worked up and then being asked to pay fior her funeral and told that we should be grateful to a great prime minister :-5:-5. Our politicians are seriously out of touch.
Her legacy is a nation divided and the break up of the united kingdom. (assuming there is yes vote in the rerefendun which quite frankly is getting likelier by the day ).
It would not be altogether surprised if the is an outbreak of rioting like there was in 2011.
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gmc;1424387 wrote: They should bury her like they do every other prime minister - without a state funeral. It's the eulogising of her that is gettng people worked up and then being asked to pay fior her funeral and told that we should be grateful to a great prime minister :-5:-5. Our politicians are seriously out of touch.
Her legacy is a nation divided and the break up of the united kingdom. (assuming there is yes vote in the rerefendun which quite frankly is getting likelier by the day ).
It would not be altogether surprised if the is an outbreak of rioting like there was in 2011.
No there won't. Boris said so.
Her legacy is a nation divided and the break up of the united kingdom. (assuming there is yes vote in the rerefendun which quite frankly is getting likelier by the day ).
It would not be altogether surprised if the is an outbreak of rioting like there was in 2011.
No there won't. Boris said so.
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gmc
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
Patsy
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
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Patsy Warnick;1424391 wrote: gmc
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
Patsy
I appreciate your question Is directed at gmc but I can answer....
It boils down to the fact that for a State Funeral to be granted at any Governments request, It rests with her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has granted permission for a state like funeral... It is as simple as that.
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
Patsy
I appreciate your question Is directed at gmc but I can answer....
It boils down to the fact that for a State Funeral to be granted at any Governments request, It rests with her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has granted permission for a state like funeral... It is as simple as that.
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Patsy Warnick;1424391 wrote: gmc
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
Patsy
Very good question.
I can understand a war time Prime Minister of the stature of Churchill, I cannot see the Falklands conflict rating as high or any other events during her premiership warranting such a funeral.
If it's good enough for her Blair is the next.
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
Patsy
Very good question.
I can understand a war time Prime Minister of the stature of Churchill, I cannot see the Falklands conflict rating as high or any other events during her premiership warranting such a funeral.
If it's good enough for her Blair is the next.
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thank you
If the Queen grants the type of funeral how does Thatcher rate for a State Funeral and yet the others (PM's) were not awarded such a production?
Do you think the decision has anything to do with Thatcher being a female?
Patsy
thank you
If the Queen grants the type of funeral how does Thatcher rate for a State Funeral and yet the others (PM's) were not awarded such a production?
Do you think the decision has anything to do with Thatcher being a female?
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Oh, please let me explain since I threw out the "female card".
Could the fact Thatcher being female have swayed the Queen in her decision?
Here in the US we usually see the Queen supporting kids of all age groups.
She'll be shown visiting hospitals
she'll be shown with kids - groups which has the US assume she encourages to be all you can be.
Then came Princess Di's accomplishments again we assume the Queen was proud and had to acknowledge the strength of a female.
If the Queen grants the Type of funeral - could being the accomplished female in the highest ranting postion sway the Queen to grant the lavish funeral production.?
Prior PM's were all male?
So the Queen can grant you 3 wishes..:wah:
Patsy
Could the fact Thatcher being female have swayed the Queen in her decision?
Here in the US we usually see the Queen supporting kids of all age groups.
She'll be shown visiting hospitals
she'll be shown with kids - groups which has the US assume she encourages to be all you can be.
Then came Princess Di's accomplishments again we assume the Queen was proud and had to acknowledge the strength of a female.
If the Queen grants the Type of funeral - could being the accomplished female in the highest ranting postion sway the Queen to grant the lavish funeral production.?
Prior PM's were all male?
So the Queen can grant you 3 wishes..:wah:
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Patsy Warnick;1424391 wrote: gmc
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
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She isn't entitled to one that's why this is so controversial. This is a political decision and breaks with tradition. The queen is a figurehead and does what she is told although she can give her advice and one of the reasons the monarchy has survived is in part because it is seen as being above party politics. It's a very different situation from the US where the president is political leader and also the symbolic head of state representing the country. Although in practice she can refuse top sign bills in to law, sack the government and choose whoever she likes to be prime minister in reality when it really comes right down to it she has no choice in the matter. If cameron wants to do this she can't actually say no.
Put simply our political leaders do not really understand how divisive this is or how much people hate thatcher. While she was in office the UK saw some of the biggest riots and demonstration we have had for over 50 years. It's nonsense to say that most people in the UK supported her it was only the peculiarities of our electoral system that let her stay in office. Her real legacy is a nation divided and an electorate so disenchanted many don't even bother voting any more and possibly the break up of the union. Buried quietly is one thing making it in to a triumphalist celebration of her achievements is is another. I think there will be some kind of demonstration, how big I really don't know.
Now we have the bbc -another supposedly apolitical organisation dancing to the tory tune and banning the number one song from a musical about a girl who ends up in a fantasy world. The witch is dead we can now follow the yellow brick road and do our politicians understand? Pillocks the lot of them.
question:
What entitles her to a State Funeral if other PM's didn't receive a State Funeral.?
Patsy
She isn't entitled to one that's why this is so controversial. This is a political decision and breaks with tradition. The queen is a figurehead and does what she is told although she can give her advice and one of the reasons the monarchy has survived is in part because it is seen as being above party politics. It's a very different situation from the US where the president is political leader and also the symbolic head of state representing the country. Although in practice she can refuse top sign bills in to law, sack the government and choose whoever she likes to be prime minister in reality when it really comes right down to it she has no choice in the matter. If cameron wants to do this she can't actually say no.
Put simply our political leaders do not really understand how divisive this is or how much people hate thatcher. While she was in office the UK saw some of the biggest riots and demonstration we have had for over 50 years. It's nonsense to say that most people in the UK supported her it was only the peculiarities of our electoral system that let her stay in office. Her real legacy is a nation divided and an electorate so disenchanted many don't even bother voting any more and possibly the break up of the union. Buried quietly is one thing making it in to a triumphalist celebration of her achievements is is another. I think there will be some kind of demonstration, how big I really don't know.
Now we have the bbc -another supposedly apolitical organisation dancing to the tory tune and banning the number one song from a musical about a girl who ends up in a fantasy world. The witch is dead we can now follow the yellow brick road and do our politicians understand? Pillocks the lot of them.
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Patsy Warnick;1424397 wrote:
If the Queen grants the type of funeral how does Thatcher rate for a State Funeral and yet the others (PM's) were not awarded such a production?
Please, please, get it out of your head that the person, Queen Elizabeth, makes this or any similar choice. A recommendation is put to her and she invariably accepts it. The authority is undoubtedly hers but the choice undoubtedly isn't.
If the Queen grants the type of funeral how does Thatcher rate for a State Funeral and yet the others (PM's) were not awarded such a production?
Please, please, get it out of your head that the person, Queen Elizabeth, makes this or any similar choice. A recommendation is put to her and she invariably accepts it. The authority is undoubtedly hers but the choice undoubtedly isn't.
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oscar;1424392 wrote: I appreciate your question Is directed at gmc but I can answer....
It boils down to the fact that for a State Funeral to be granted at any Governments request, It rests with her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has granted permission for a state like funeral... It is as simple as that.
This is not meant to criticize your government or people in any way, I'm not saying the following to offend anyone. But. Titles like Her Majesty the Queen sound hopelessly ridiculous.
It better suits the Khaleesi not real life. Though in many ways I am a sucker for tradition....still.
It boils down to the fact that for a State Funeral to be granted at any Governments request, It rests with her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has granted permission for a state like funeral... It is as simple as that.
This is not meant to criticize your government or people in any way, I'm not saying the following to offend anyone. But. Titles like Her Majesty the Queen sound hopelessly ridiculous.
It better suits the Khaleesi not real life. Though in many ways I am a sucker for tradition....still.
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Since her passing, I've read many accounts of her life. Some for her, some against. However, her achievements are unquestionable as a world stateswoman. Taking out home policies and her battle with unions etc etc and looking at her world achievements. The Unification of Germany, The Falklands war, Ending The Cold War, Inspiring more women to stand for government, Surviving The IRA plot to Murder her etc etc, those are the achievements that made the difference between an ordinary Prime Minister and that of a World leader who brought about so much change.
In many respects from what I can glean, It Is the world who wants her honoured, not just her country. The Queen has as much duty to listen to those for her as those against her.
It's rather like the Anti-Royalists and Royal weddings. It's very simple. If you don't agree, then don't watch her funeral. Don't read about It and forget about It.
In many respects from what I can glean, It Is the world who wants her honoured, not just her country. The Queen has as much duty to listen to those for her as those against her.
It's rather like the Anti-Royalists and Royal weddings. It's very simple. If you don't agree, then don't watch her funeral. Don't read about It and forget about It.
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oscar;1424431 wrote: Since her passing, I've read many accounts of her life. Some for her, some against. However, her achievements are unquestionable as a world stateswoman. Taking out home policies and her battle with unions etc etc and looking at her world achievements. The Unification of Germany, The Falklands war, Ending The Cold War, Inspiring more women to stand for government, Surviving The IRA plot to Murder her etc etc, those are the achievements that made the difference between an ordinary Prime Minister and that of a World leader who brought about so much change.
In many respects from what I can glean, It Is the world who wants her honoured, not just her country. The Queen has as much duty to listen to those for her as those against her.
It's rather like the Anti-Royalists and Royal weddings. It's very simple. If you don't agree, then don't watch her funeral. Don't read about It and forget about It.
Unification of germany ending the cold war? What planet are you on? You forgot to add ending apartheid.
The queen does not make these decisions she does what her government tells her all she can do is make suggestions. Privatise the funeral why the hell should taxpayers pay for it.
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This is not meant to criticize your government or people in any way, I'm not saying the following to offend anyone. But. Titles like Her Majesty the Queen sound hopelessly ridiculous.
It better suits the Khaleesi not real life. Though in many ways I am a sucker for tradition....still.
It works for us, it's a far more flexible system than the American - at least we don't end up in endless discussion about what the founding father actually meant and have no problems changing with the times. Say what you like by the way you are not likely to cause offence, you being a johnny foreigner and all that no one cares enough to get upset.
There have been a few times in the last fifty years or so when republican sentiment has been quite strong. basically if she doesn't annoy us too much or get stroppy it's a useful institution. Parliament is the sovereign power not the queen.
In many respects from what I can glean, It Is the world who wants her honoured, not just her country. The Queen has as much duty to listen to those for her as those against her.
It's rather like the Anti-Royalists and Royal weddings. It's very simple. If you don't agree, then don't watch her funeral. Don't read about It and forget about It.
Unification of germany ending the cold war? What planet are you on? You forgot to add ending apartheid.
The queen does not make these decisions she does what her government tells her all she can do is make suggestions. Privatise the funeral why the hell should taxpayers pay for it.
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This is not meant to criticize your government or people in any way, I'm not saying the following to offend anyone. But. Titles like Her Majesty the Queen sound hopelessly ridiculous.
It better suits the Khaleesi not real life. Though in many ways I am a sucker for tradition....still.
It works for us, it's a far more flexible system than the American - at least we don't end up in endless discussion about what the founding father actually meant and have no problems changing with the times. Say what you like by the way you are not likely to cause offence, you being a johnny foreigner and all that no one cares enough to get upset.
There have been a few times in the last fifty years or so when republican sentiment has been quite strong. basically if she doesn't annoy us too much or get stroppy it's a useful institution. Parliament is the sovereign power not the queen.
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It works for us, it's a far more flexible system than the American - at least we don't end up in endless discussion about what the founding father actually meant and have no problems changing with the times. Say what you like by the way you are not likely to cause offence, you being a johnny foreigner and all that no one cares enough to get upset.
That works for me what works for you. I do understand the dichotomy. I equally saw and understood both sides of the Royal Question when I lived in England. I guess it is just the excesses to the title that sound absurd to me.
That works for me what works for you. I do understand the dichotomy. I equally saw and understood both sides of the Royal Question when I lived in England. I guess it is just the excesses to the title that sound absurd to me.
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The historical landmarks occurred during her reign and her time as PM.
I am on the same planet as those not eaten away by hatred
I am on the same planet as those not eaten away by hatred
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1424439 wrote: The historical landmarks occurred during her reign and her time as PM.
I am on the same planet as those not eaten away by hatred
Thatchers "Reign" ?
The historical landmarks occurred during my lifetime, I wanna special burial too.
I am on the same planet as those not eaten away by hatred
Thatchers "Reign" ?
The historical landmarks occurred during my lifetime, I wanna special burial too.
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AnneBoleyn;1424427 wrote: This is not meant to criticize your government or people in any way, I'm not saying the following to offend anyone.
Though in many ways I am a sucker for tradition....still.
We are very capable of taking the pee out of them ourselves....
Though in many ways I am a sucker for tradition....still.
We are very capable of taking the pee out of them ourselves....
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Bruv;1424460 wrote: We are very capable of taking the pee out of them ourselves....
Lordy me, weren't they all so young back then.
Lordy me, weren't they all so young back then.
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Týr;1424461 wrote: Lordy me, weren't they all so young back then.
They were no younger.... then, than you and I were .....then.
They were no younger.... then, than you and I were .....then.
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Bruv;1424463 wrote: They were no younger.... then, than you and I were .....then.
I was generally acknowledged by my peers to be middle-aged when I entered secondary school.
I was generally acknowledged by my peers to be middle-aged when I entered secondary school.
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oscar;1424392 wrote: I appreciate your question Is directed at gmc but I can answer....
It boils down to the fact that for a State Funeral to be granted at any Governments request, It rests with her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has granted permission for a state like funeral... It is as simple as that.
OK, let's take the question back one step - what made the government ask the Queen for her permission?
Your answer, as is often the case, is disingenuous.
It boils down to the fact that for a State Funeral to be granted at any Governments request, It rests with her Majesty The Queen. The Queen has granted permission for a state like funeral... It is as simple as that.
OK, let's take the question back one step - what made the government ask the Queen for her permission?
Your answer, as is often the case, is disingenuous.
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Bryn Mawr;1424469 wrote: OK, let's take the question back one step - what made the government ask the Queen for her permission?
Your answer, as is often the case, is disingenuous.
Its all semantics. It Is not a state funeral but a state like funeral with the emphasis that she Is not lying In State as Churchill did.
If the Queen gives her permission for any of the arrangements, I suppose that's her free choice. Of course she will be viewed as the partisan.
Your answer, as is often the case, is disingenuous.
Its all semantics. It Is not a state funeral but a state like funeral with the emphasis that she Is not lying In State as Churchill did.
If the Queen gives her permission for any of the arrangements, I suppose that's her free choice. Of course she will be viewed as the partisan.
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oscar;1424470 wrote: If the Queen gives her permission for any of the arrangements, I suppose that's her free choice.
On the contrary, she's constitutionally constrained. She might have an opinion, she might not, but she has no choice whatever.
On the contrary, she's constitutionally constrained. She might have an opinion, she might not, but she has no choice whatever.
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