How did this get to happen ?
Police in the Canadian province of New Brunswick have launched a criminal probe into the apparent killing of two young boys by an escaped snake.
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Do pythons normally strangle prey & then not eat it? What was this python doing? Saving for "later"? How awful. I don't care for snakes as pets although I knew some. I like mammals.
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Call me an old cynic but I am highly suspicious.
Something's not adding up.
Python attacks on humans are extremely rare although not Impossible. But the python would have consumed the first child he crushed, not left him and then moved onto the second child. Python's simply do not do that. They do not have enough energy for muitiple killings. They eat what they kill.
They were not babies either. Even a super large python would have a job with a human even at that age. Where humans are consumed by restrictors In the wild, It's usually the Boa Constrictor not the Python.
Even at the point the Python first coiled It'self around the first child, he would have momentarily awoken and woken the second child surely ?
Something's not adding up.
Python attacks on humans are extremely rare although not Impossible. But the python would have consumed the first child he crushed, not left him and then moved onto the second child. Python's simply do not do that. They do not have enough energy for muitiple killings. They eat what they kill.
They were not babies either. Even a super large python would have a job with a human even at that age. Where humans are consumed by restrictors In the wild, It's usually the Boa Constrictor not the Python.
Even at the point the Python first coiled It'self around the first child, he would have momentarily awoken and woken the second child surely ?
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The second child victim was suspicious to me too, it doesn't make sense.
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Bruv;1433184 wrote: The second child victim was suspicious to me too, it doesn't make sense.
All Restrictors eat Immediately after the kill. Apparently If a kill goes Into Rigor, It Is Impossible for the snake to swallow It. There's no way a restrictor would leave a kill.... my nephews just told me that.. the one they call ' Snake man' .
All Restrictors eat Immediately after the kill. Apparently If a kill goes Into Rigor, It Is Impossible for the snake to swallow It. There's no way a restrictor would leave a kill.... my nephews just told me that.. the one they call ' Snake man' .
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oscar, surely you are on to something. Your explanation makes great sense.
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AnneBoleyn;1433188 wrote: oscar, surely you are on to something. Your explanation makes great sense.
Just been chatting to my nephew.
He Is licensed to breed exotic species and airports call on him to identify smuggled exotic species. He's had a lifetime studying snakes...
He's just said... No Way....... the Python would have been mid swallowing by the time the boys were discovered. He said It takes up to 8 hours depending on the size of the Restrictor to fully swallow a large kill....No way would the python have left the first child after the kill...... the snake would have been spent with all energy used.
Just been chatting to my nephew.
He Is licensed to breed exotic species and airports call on him to identify smuggled exotic species. He's had a lifetime studying snakes...
He's just said... No Way....... the Python would have been mid swallowing by the time the boys were discovered. He said It takes up to 8 hours depending on the size of the Restrictor to fully swallow a large kill....No way would the python have left the first child after the kill...... the snake would have been spent with all energy used.
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Something else my nephew has just said...
Pythons don't eat every day. They can go weeks between kills. If It was In a pet shop, then we are assuming It was fed regually. It would have no desire to go looking for food and to hunt.
Pythons don't eat every day. They can go weeks between kills. If It was In a pet shop, then we are assuming It was fed regually. It would have no desire to go looking for food and to hunt.
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eta Nearly forgot.... he also said Pythons disable their prey by crushing the lungs. The children If killed by the Python would have crush Injuries to the chest NOT strangulation marks to the neck.
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Yes, this is highly suspicious.
I hope the cops have somebody that understands the nature of these critters.
I hope the cops have somebody that understands the nature of these critters.
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LarsMac;1433199 wrote: Yes, this is highly suspicious.
I hope the cops have somebody that understands the nature of these critters. And the Father has only just got custody of the boys? Hmmmmmmmmm
I hope the cops have somebody that understands the nature of these critters. And the Father has only just got custody of the boys? Hmmmmmmmmm
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Would be interesting to see the autopsy reports.
They have already "put the snake down" as they put it, as if it had gone rabid.
They have already "put the snake down" as they put it, as if it had gone rabid.
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My OH and I have worked with reptiles for quite some time (he has a lot more info on them then i do.. admittedly)
Before i say anything : she was not for sale, in a re-enforced "tank" well more of a room, and only my OH and I had a key for the locks on the door.
We had a 7-8 meter reticulated python (named "Fluffy") in the pet shop we worked at.. She was picky with food.. got her on to big (HUGE) rabbits, and after that on to goats..
She would only eat live prey.. But if she wasn't hungry, she would kill the rabbit or goat if it kept bugging her or getting near her. Then after "the food" was dead she'd leave it.
Bummer for us, because it ment getting in there with an angry snake to remove "the food" . And ment we had fed her to soon.
I havn't read the full story but there would be no reason for the snake to kill a second "prey" or child in this case, if it already had 1 child.
In my experience captive bred snakes are quite lazy, and must be very hungry if they go off and try to find something to eat.. Saying that, they are opportunists and will mostly eat if something edible crossed their path. (unless they have just eaten).
It is awfull this happend, but please don't blame the snake.. Not saying any of you here on FG are but i just needed to say it out loud
This is fluffy btw.. Not a best pic.. as she is shedding.. She now lives at a zoo
Before i say anything : she was not for sale, in a re-enforced "tank" well more of a room, and only my OH and I had a key for the locks on the door.
We had a 7-8 meter reticulated python (named "Fluffy") in the pet shop we worked at.. She was picky with food.. got her on to big (HUGE) rabbits, and after that on to goats..
She would only eat live prey.. But if she wasn't hungry, she would kill the rabbit or goat if it kept bugging her or getting near her. Then after "the food" was dead she'd leave it.
Bummer for us, because it ment getting in there with an angry snake to remove "the food" . And ment we had fed her to soon.
I havn't read the full story but there would be no reason for the snake to kill a second "prey" or child in this case, if it already had 1 child.
In my experience captive bred snakes are quite lazy, and must be very hungry if they go off and try to find something to eat.. Saying that, they are opportunists and will mostly eat if something edible crossed their path. (unless they have just eaten).
It is awfull this happend, but please don't blame the snake.. Not saying any of you here on FG are but i just needed to say it out loud
This is fluffy btw.. Not a best pic.. as she is shedding.. She now lives at a zoo
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oscar;1433196 wrote: eta Nearly forgot.... he also said Pythons disable their prey by crushing the lungs. The children If killed by the Python would have crush Injuries to the chest NOT strangulation marks to the neck.
Exactly..
btw.. i just read the full story.. still terrible but suspicious.. I am very tempted on posting a direct youtube video link, but i wont because it might upset some when watched by accident or whatever.
If you are interested, a good example is a video on youtube (not mine) thats called *GRAPHIC* Granite Burmese Python LIVE Feeding (7 May 2011)
Its a python eating a live rat. I mention that because it shows a few things: as oscar said it crushes the lungs not the neck. The idea of this is when the prey breathes out, the snake wraps a little tighter.. untill your lungs are crushed and not able to expand.. And when it strikes and starts to wrap itself around it's prey, the prey is still able to scream, shortly but able.
Exactly..
btw.. i just read the full story.. still terrible but suspicious.. I am very tempted on posting a direct youtube video link, but i wont because it might upset some when watched by accident or whatever.
If you are interested, a good example is a video on youtube (not mine) thats called *GRAPHIC* Granite Burmese Python LIVE Feeding (7 May 2011)
Its a python eating a live rat. I mention that because it shows a few things: as oscar said it crushes the lungs not the neck. The idea of this is when the prey breathes out, the snake wraps a little tighter.. untill your lungs are crushed and not able to expand.. And when it strikes and starts to wrap itself around it's prey, the prey is still able to scream, shortly but able.
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Chloe_88;1433260 wrote: Exactly..
btw.. i just read the full story.. still terrible but suspicious.. I am very tempted on posting a direct youtube video link, but i wont because it might upset some when watched by accident or whatever.
If you are interested, a good example is a video on youtube (not mine) thats called *GRAPHIC* Granite Burmese Python LIVE Feeding (7 May 2011)
Its a python eating a live rat. I mention that because it shows a few things: as oscar said it crushes the lungs not the neck. The idea of this is when the prey breathes out, the snake wraps a little tighter.. untill your lungs are crushed and not able to expand.. And when it strikes and starts to wrap itself around it's prey, the prey is still able to scream, shortly but able.
You have endorsed everything my nephew has said about Restrictors and he also added that the victim If human would have time to scream.
He has many Pythons at his home and agree's that they can be lazy when It comes to feeding and certainly no captive Python would feel the need to hunt the nearest kill unless extremely neglected and under fed for many many months.
I'd happily give Fluffy a hug. I've had many of my nephews snakes draped around my neck many times. He has a Komodo Dragon also that loved fresh strawberries and would lick the red lipstick off my mouth...
btw.. i just read the full story.. still terrible but suspicious.. I am very tempted on posting a direct youtube video link, but i wont because it might upset some when watched by accident or whatever.
If you are interested, a good example is a video on youtube (not mine) thats called *GRAPHIC* Granite Burmese Python LIVE Feeding (7 May 2011)
Its a python eating a live rat. I mention that because it shows a few things: as oscar said it crushes the lungs not the neck. The idea of this is when the prey breathes out, the snake wraps a little tighter.. untill your lungs are crushed and not able to expand.. And when it strikes and starts to wrap itself around it's prey, the prey is still able to scream, shortly but able.
You have endorsed everything my nephew has said about Restrictors and he also added that the victim If human would have time to scream.
He has many Pythons at his home and agree's that they can be lazy when It comes to feeding and certainly no captive Python would feel the need to hunt the nearest kill unless extremely neglected and under fed for many many months.
I'd happily give Fluffy a hug. I've had many of my nephews snakes draped around my neck many times. He has a Komodo Dragon also that loved fresh strawberries and would lick the red lipstick off my mouth...
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1433271 wrote: You have endorsed everything my nephew has said about Restrictors and he also added that the victim If human would have time to scream.
He has many Pythons at his home and agree's that they can be lazy when It comes to feeding and certainly no captive Python would feel the need to hunt the nearest kill unless extremely neglected and under fed for many many months.
I'd happily give Fluffy a hug. I've had many of my nephews snakes draped around my neck many times. He has a Komodo Dragon also that loved fresh strawberries and would lick the red lipstick off my mouth...
That is so cool, and positive to hear.. as i love reptiles and think they are misunderstood by most.. It's then great to hear someone being so positive
You have just made my day
under supervision i let my niece hold my ratsnakes (she is 3,5 years old)
He has many Pythons at his home and agree's that they can be lazy when It comes to feeding and certainly no captive Python would feel the need to hunt the nearest kill unless extremely neglected and under fed for many many months.
I'd happily give Fluffy a hug. I've had many of my nephews snakes draped around my neck many times. He has a Komodo Dragon also that loved fresh strawberries and would lick the red lipstick off my mouth...
That is so cool, and positive to hear.. as i love reptiles and think they are misunderstood by most.. It's then great to hear someone being so positive
You have just made my day
under supervision i let my niece hold my ratsnakes (she is 3,5 years old)
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Lovely Pics Chloe..
My nephew also has Bosc Monitors. One enormous brute he calls ' Happy Helen' a sarcastic dig at his wife who's a miserable old cow. This one would tear you limb from limb given half a chance,
He got a call once to go and Identify some baby reptiles that had been siezed at the airport. When he saw them he asked the customs guys If they had been handling them and they said yes.... oh dear !!!! He Identified them as these little chaps.... a month later after recovering at his home under Infer Red...they were shipped back to America.
Gila monster venom is about as toxic as that of a western diamondback rattlesnake. However, a relatively small amount of venom is introduced in a Gila bite.
http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/Repti ... onster.cfm
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My nephew also has Bosc Monitors. One enormous brute he calls ' Happy Helen' a sarcastic dig at his wife who's a miserable old cow. This one would tear you limb from limb given half a chance,
He got a call once to go and Identify some baby reptiles that had been siezed at the airport. When he saw them he asked the customs guys If they had been handling them and they said yes.... oh dear !!!! He Identified them as these little chaps.... a month later after recovering at his home under Infer Red...they were shipped back to America.
Gila monster venom is about as toxic as that of a western diamondback rattlesnake. However, a relatively small amount of venom is introduced in a Gila bite.
http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/Repti ... onster.cfm
Attached files
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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All of you who have been thinking something wasn't right with this
story (myself included):
Snake deaths now a murder investigation
story (myself included):
Snake deaths now a murder investigation
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valerie;1433565 wrote: All of you who have been thinking something wasn't right with this
story (myself included):
Snake deaths now a murder investigation
Thanks, Valerie.
I was in South Florida this weekend, and was talking to a guy who is very familiar with reptiles, and specifically with snakes.
He was saying pretty much the same thing. He said that you would have to be drugged up or really drunk to sleep through being killed by a constrictor.
This thing has been fishy from the get-go.
story (myself included):
Snake deaths now a murder investigation
Thanks, Valerie.
I was in South Florida this weekend, and was talking to a guy who is very familiar with reptiles, and specifically with snakes.
He was saying pretty much the same thing. He said that you would have to be drugged up or really drunk to sleep through being killed by a constrictor.
This thing has been fishy from the get-go.
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valerie;1433565 wrote: All of you who have been thinking something wasn't right with this
story (myself included):
Snake deaths now a murder investigation Thanks Val.
I have been waiting for this update expecting it to come.
I Imagined many snake experts like my nephew to come forward and say It was Impossible and now they have.
From a man who could tell you weather a snake was even ovulating, I never doubted my nephew when he said No way.
story (myself included):
Snake deaths now a murder investigation Thanks Val.
I have been waiting for this update expecting it to come.
I Imagined many snake experts like my nephew to come forward and say It was Impossible and now they have.
From a man who could tell you weather a snake was even ovulating, I never doubted my nephew when he said No way.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Wonderful that this will now be investigated as a murder.
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oscar;1433575 wrote: Thanks Val.
I have been waiting for this update expecting it to come.
I Imagined many snake experts like my nephew to come forward and say It was Impossible and now they have.
From a man who could tell you weather a snake was even ovulating, I never doubted my nephew when he said No way.
The thing that really gets me is this guy (if it was the guy there) being able
to throw the cops off for such a long time. Unless they just didn't say anything
to the public, but they should have waited before saying snakes strangle kids.
One of the main things that threw me off is the one boy not being in the room
with the others. IME, little kids on 'sleepovers' are all packed together however,
even on the floor in sleeping bags.
Anyway, hope they get it figured out and prosecuted fast!
I have been waiting for this update expecting it to come.
I Imagined many snake experts like my nephew to come forward and say It was Impossible and now they have.
From a man who could tell you weather a snake was even ovulating, I never doubted my nephew when he said No way.
The thing that really gets me is this guy (if it was the guy there) being able
to throw the cops off for such a long time. Unless they just didn't say anything
to the public, but they should have waited before saying snakes strangle kids.
One of the main things that threw me off is the one boy not being in the room
with the others. IME, little kids on 'sleepovers' are all packed together however,
even on the floor in sleeping bags.
Anyway, hope they get it figured out and prosecuted fast!
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valerie;1433586 wrote: The thing that really gets me is this guy (if it was the guy there) being able
to throw the cops off for such a long time. Unless they just didn't say anything
to the public, but they should have waited before saying snakes strangle kids.
One of the main things that threw me off is the one boy not being in the room
with the others. IME, little kids on 'sleepovers' are all packed together however,
even on the floor in sleeping bags.
Anyway, hope they get it figured out and prosecuted fast! Exactly because no Python would leave the kill and then move to another room searching for another kill.
And the Father has just won custody after a long and bitter custody feud... It stunk from the very beginning.
to throw the cops off for such a long time. Unless they just didn't say anything
to the public, but they should have waited before saying snakes strangle kids.
One of the main things that threw me off is the one boy not being in the room
with the others. IME, little kids on 'sleepovers' are all packed together however,
even on the floor in sleeping bags.
Anyway, hope they get it figured out and prosecuted fast! Exactly because no Python would leave the kill and then move to another room searching for another kill.
And the Father has just won custody after a long and bitter custody feud... It stunk from the very beginning.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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val: "One of the main things that threw me off is the one boy not being in the room
with the others. IME, little kids on 'sleepovers' are all packed together however,
even on the floor in sleeping bags."
That is a very sharp assessment val. Excellent point!
with the others. IME, little kids on 'sleepovers' are all packed together however,
even on the floor in sleeping bags."
That is a very sharp assessment val. Excellent point!
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one very good example why this should be a murder Inquiry.
FORTY pythons discovered in motel room where five children - including an infant - were staying | Mail Online
40 pythons are discovered In a motel room where 5 infants were sleeping.... not one strangulation. Yet, these people claim just one Python left a kill and moved to another room for the second one.
FORTY pythons discovered in motel room where five children - including an infant - were staying | Mail Online
40 pythons are discovered In a motel room where 5 infants were sleeping.... not one strangulation. Yet, these people claim just one Python left a kill and moved to another room for the second one.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Moved to another room, I hadn't heard that? Thought the 2 boys were sleeping together?
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No, there was a third boy in the house, but he was in another room.
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No, I knew that, but Oscar's post made it sound like the two boys
who were killed were in different rooms, wondering where she read that,
if there's a different report or something. What I heard was the third
boy was the guy's son, the other two were friends.
who were killed were in different rooms, wondering where she read that,
if there's a different report or something. What I heard was the third
boy was the guy's son, the other two were friends.