President Nixon was not a nice guy

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:21 am

Nixon Presidential Library released the last set of Nixon White House tapes on Wednesday, and like many of his tapes released over the last few decades, this set confirms that Nixon was not very enlightened when it came to racial and ethnic minorities.

Wonder how modern Politicians have altered their own behaviour, knowing they are forever on a mic ?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:40 am

Johnson wasn't terribly enlightened either. Sign of the times, I guess.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:44 am

The very nature of politics requires Chameleon-like characteristics. I agree though that Richard Nixon was not a nice person. However, his knack for meanness is apparently what got him to the top of the political ladder, only to be consumed by what got him there and then resign in disgrace, though I doubt Nixon understood the concept of shame well enough to know the difference.

He was smart enough to realize the Chinese had something of value.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:26 am

I just happened across an article on Salon on Nixon. Apparently there's a new movie coming out on him. Salon interviewed director Penny Lane about certain aspects of Nixon which this movie ventures into that others may have neglected to depict.

What do you think people get wrong about Nixon?

If you just look at one thing — the way he’s represented on film — it’s inaccurate. He wasn’t always venting and awkward and plotting conspiracies in back rooms. I don’t think people are prepared to recognize that, at the time he was president, he was an excellent statesman. He could give a speech, those were some of the greatest speeches ever. He was a human being, and people don’t recognize that. That’s the message of our film — that these are human beings, flawed ones. We have a societal need to turn him into a demon — remember the time this demon was elected? “Our Nixon” director: “He was a human being, and people don’t recognize that” - Salon.com

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:06 am

Bruv;1434885 wrote: Nixon Presidential Library released the last set of Nixon White House tapes on Wednesday, and like many of his tapes released over the last few decades, this set confirms that Nixon was not very enlightened when it came to racial and ethnic minorities.

Wonder how modern Politicians have altered their own behaviour, knowing they are forever on a mic ?

If anything they should know to burn the tapes.

The current POS in the White House never hesitates to use race to advance his goals.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:09 am

The thread is about Nixon not Obama. In case that got by you, which wouldn't surprise me.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:16 am

Ahso!;1434904 wrote: The thread is about Nixon not Obama. In case that got by you, which wouldn't surprise me.

From the OP

Wonder how modern Politicians have altered their own behaviour, knowing they are forever on a mic ?

Now you can STFU.

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:36 am

President Nixon was a man of his times, I'm not sure he can be criticized in retrospect since he could scarcely guess where history was going to take us.

Of all the post-war US presidents I'd rate him the best-intentioned and the one most deserving of thanks. I'd describe him as an honorable politician among a bunch who rarely qualified.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:42 am

Tyr -

"I'd describe him as an honorable politician"

Today that is an oxymoron. Probably always has been,

Though, you have a point. There was a time when politicos at least strove for an honorable image.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:24 am

One of the things about Nixon that always made me laugh was that he professed to be a Quaker. It is difficult to imagine someone less Quaker-like in their attitudes and actions.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:35 am

Wandrin;1434920 wrote: One of the things about Nixon that always made me laugh was that he professed to be a Quaker. It is difficult to imagine someone less Quaker-like in their attitudes and actions.

John Kennedy was a Roman Catholic. Bill Clinton claims Southern Baptist.

Seems to me both religions frown on infidelity to one's wife.

Seems the current occupant of the White House claims Christianity but attends no particular church, no problem there. Consider that in his his first campaign for President he threw his pastor the Rev Wright under the bus, who would want or trust him?

All this not to mention his over all antagonism towards religion and religious people in general.

A real nice guy that Barry.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:57 am

Tyr's back........................... throwing the curve balls.

(I believe that American expression covers what I think I mean)

The man who gave the world the suffix 'Gate' and he was "honorable politician among a bunch who rarely qualified." ?

But boy havn't they gone down hill since ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:32 pm

I've always admired President Nixon.

Come from humble beginnings. Actually worked his way through college, imagine that.

During WW2 joined the Navy. kind of thing any self respecting young American did at the time.

I don't remember, nor am I going to repeat his complete biography here but his consistent stance against the old Soviet Union to me gives him points.

Ran for president lost to the Kennedy guy. Ran for gov of California and was slammed by the press and lost.

Would that keep him down?

Hell NO.

In 1972 he defeated what would probably be a worse president than Jimmy Carter or Barak Obama.

That being George McGovern. For that alone he deserves the thanks of the nation.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:13 pm

Ahso!, there's a porn "star" named Penny Lane. She was on Dr. Drew's "Sex Rehab" & then on "Celebrity Rehab". She wanted to reform herself & go into straight films on the production side. I wonder..................

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:16 pm

tude dog;1434926 wrote: John Kennedy was a Roman Catholic. Bill Clinton claims Southern Baptist.

Seems to me both religions frown on infidelity to one's wife.

Seems the current occupant of the White House claims Christianity but attends no particular church, no problem there. Consider that in his his first campaign for President he threw his pastor the Rev Wright under the bus, who would want or trust him?

All this not to mention his over all antagonism towards religion and religious people in general.

A real nice guy that Barry.

You're an idiot.

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:31 pm

AnneBoleyn;1434949 wrote: You're an idiot.

You think this is bad? He's going to be furious after the 2016 presidential election results come in.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:32 pm

Týr;1434962 wrote: You think this is bad? He's going to be furious after the 2016 presidential election results come in.

So might I. It all depends.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:23 pm

AnneBoleyn;1434949 wrote: You're an idiot.How quickly he makes his presence felt. I have to admit though that at least he didn't punk out on me. That's striking. I'm worried!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:43 pm

Throughout the years Nixon has had lingering allegations of ties to Nazi sympathizers.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:23 pm

Nixon was in office for 2 terms - so who's the idiot?

Bruv

Before this article - were you familiar with Nixon to assume good bad or ugly?

I've never seen a banner that read " Join Politics AA" to recover from the crap you've created.

Patsy

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:56 am

Patsy Warnick;1435005 wrote: Nixon was in office for 2 terms - so who's the idiot?

Bruv

Before this article - were you familiar with Nixon to assume good bad or ugly?

I've never seen a banner that read " Join Politics AA" to recover from the crap you've created.

Patsy
To the first question.......the American voter ?

Don't take that personally........... we have elected some duffers over here.

Every American President is famous or infamous, yes I was familiar with him, wasn't he the guy they asked "Would you buy a second hand car off thsi man"? And that the phrase Watergate was created for ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:42 am

Patsy: "Nixon was in office for 2 terms - so who's the idiot?"

Um, who did you think I was calling an idiot? Nixon may have been many things to many people, but not that. Spiro Agnew, however......................

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:05 am

tude dog;1434937 wrote: I've always admired President Nixon.I'm sure you did since he was part of the McCarthyism witch hunts.

tude dog;1434937 wrote:

In 1972 he defeated what would probably be a worse president than Jimmy Carter or Barak Obama.

That being George McGovern. For that alone he deserves the thanks of the nation.You are aware of course that Nixon supported civil rights for minorities, right? That means you can add him to your list of people to blame for your inability to negotiate your way through school.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:22 am

Ahso!;1435088 wrote: I'm sure you did since he was part of the McCarthyism witch hunts.

So was Bobby Kennedy.

PS--compared to his party Today, Nixon was a reasonable liberal.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:32 am

Politicians and comedians everywhere took part in the bashing. Perhaps the most damaging of attack came from then Vice President Richard Nixon, who speaking on behalf of the administration on March 13th, 1954, he denounced "reckless talk and questionable methods" of McCarthyites. From here it was only a matter of time. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to censure McCarthy by a vote of 67 to 22. McCarthy responded with a bitter attack on the Eisenhower administration, and apologized to the American people for urging them to vote for Eisenhower. His health deteriorated, and he began to drink. McCarthy died on May 2, 1957. The official cause of death was acute hepatitis. However, according to a number of sources, it was due to liver cirrhosis.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:41 am

Ahso!;1435088 wrote:

You are aware of course that Nixon supported civil rights for minorities, right? That means you can add him to your list of people to blame for your inability to negotiate your way through school.

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AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:08 am

Oh for God's sake, TD, you are such a cry-baby! I'm saying this AS a friend, because for some reason I have always liked you.

You, civil? Your comments are rarely civil.

For someone who admires George Will (as do I) you persist in sounding off like Rush Limbaugh. This ruins every point you ever make. Why not emulate Mr. Will instead? Do you think an erudite, educated man as he would admire your speech? Hardly. Stop acting like Rush, & for God's sake, quit your faux sensitivity.

Do you want honest, or false conversation?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:23 am

Hey, it's you who brings your personal story to the forum, not me. If you didn't want it talked about you wouldn't have yourself. If you'd like to you can cease bringing your animus into conversations and try being objective instead. It's your choice, but in the mean time, referring to your anecdotes is open season and not in violation of forum rules.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:23 am

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: Oh for God's sake, TD, you are such a cry-baby! I'm saying this AS a friend, because for some reason I have always liked you.

So I point out that this guy Ahso! makes personal attacks against forum rules and I am a cry baby. That guy can't carry on a civil conversation not only without personal attacks or just being dishonest.

Tell me where I must put up with that crap.

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: You, civil? Your comments are rarely civil.

Towards what member?

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: For someone who admires George Will (as do I) you persist in sounding off like Rush Limbaugh. This ruins every point you ever make.

If only I could sound like a George Will.

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: Why not emulate Mr. Will instead?

I don't have employees who research for me so usually I have to do with only one or two links to make a point.

With all that said, you ever look up his Links?

I have done that before when wanting to make a point but they don't always add up.

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: Do you think an erudite, educated man as he would admire your speech?

My dad would probably chastise me.

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: Hardly. Stop acting like Rush, & for God's sake, quit your faux sensitivity.

Nothing faux about that.

I see no reason I should put up with that guy.

I bent over backwards to deal with him, man to man, and he continues his adolescent behavior.

AnneBoleyn;1435096 wrote: Do you want honest, or false conversation?

No, I want him to knock it off.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:35 am

tude dog;1435141 wrote:

I bent over backwards to deal with him, man to man,Really? Perhaps I missed that. Point me to it. The only thing I recall your behavior as is the two passive/aggressive behaviors of 'withholding' and 'playing the victim', the latter of which you're doing now.

tude dog;1435141 wrote: No, I want him to knock it off.Knock what off? For as long as you continue to throw up strawman arguments and continue your intellectual dishonesty, I'm going to call you on it. Bring anecdotes into discussions and they become fair game in any. It's your fault, not mine, but this is your pattern of resisting to accept personal responsibility.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:36 am

Ahso!;1435121 wrote: Hey, it's you who brings your personal story to the forum, not me. If you didn't want it talked about you wouldn't have yourself. If you'd like to you can cease bringing your animus into conversations and try being objective instead. It's your choice, but in the mean time, referring to your anecdotes is open season and not in violation of forum rules.

It is the personal attack I have a problem with, and you now changing the subject.

Your post

You are aware of course that Nixon supported civil rights for minorities, right? That means you can add him to your list of people to blame for your inability to negotiate your way through school

I shared my experiences living in a culturally diverse neighborhood.

Please tell me about the inability part.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:52 am

tude dog;1435145 wrote: It is the personal attack I have a problem with, and you now changing the subject.

Your post

I shared my experiences living in a culturally diverse neighborhood.

Please tell me about the inability part.We can begin a new thread on this if you'd like but I'll allow you to start it because if I do there's bound to be controversy.

But you should ask yourself if you really want to do that because it might become quite embarrassing for you. My advice is to simply cease complaining and try to do a better job of representing yourself. I'm all for that! Learn by your mistakes and grow. I know that's easier said than done, but if you try I guarantee there are certain members who will gladly help guide you. I know this from experience. They aren't many and they're not who you think they are.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:14 pm

Ahso!;1435146 wrote: We can begin a new thread on this if you'd like but I'll allow you to start it because if I do there's bound to be controversy.

NO

Ahso!;1435146 wrote: But you should ask yourself if you really want to do that because it might become quite embarrassing for you. My advice is to simply cease complaining and try to do a better job of representing yourself. I'm all for that! Learn by your mistakes and grow. I know that's easier said than done, but if you try I guarantee there are certain members who will gladly help guide you. I know this from experience. They aren't many and they're not who you think they are.

Such a condescending prig you are.

OK, I made a vow to not to respond to you.

I got sucked in when you deliberately screwed around post #7.

Good one.

My experience you are not a honest poster , won't go any further than that.

For me, in the best of all worlds is you stop stalking me as I have no use for you.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:32 pm

And you see, I think racist attitudes are so much more condescending than anything I've ever written. That's a difference between you and I.

I agree with your decision not to take your inquiry any further, though it's too bad you couldn't have walked away like a man instead of hurling insults over your shoulder as you ran. But that's you, isn't it.

Also, I notice you never did point me to that place where you tried to settle our differences "man to man".