Now i know it's normal some places for shops (supermarkets etc.) to be open 24/7.
Untill about 3 weeks ago (most of) our supermarkets were open: monday - saterday 8 am - 8 pm and closed on sunday. Then they opened their doors on "koopzondag" (last sunday of the month shops open from 12-5pm).
When i was growing up it was even normal for shops to close for lunch, and on mondays not to open untill 12 or 1 pm (never open on a sunday). And any helpdesk was open from 9am - 5 or 6 pm.
Now supermarkets have opened their doors monday - saterday 8 am - 8 pm and sunday from 12-5pm every week. Some helpdesks (for internet support etc) are now open 24/7.
We used to get paid extra for working undesirable hours, and if you had a problem with working on sundays (lets say because of religion) then they couldn't make you work on a sunday.
They're now talking of scrapping the extra pay for working undesirable hours and you MUST be able to work on a sunday or they'll not hire you.
Besides when i was working 1.30pm - 10 pm, hubby worked 10pm - 7 am (at his old job). I only saw him in the mornings and on sundays, we were having difficulty eating healthy food as we cooking seperatly, he couldn't sleep during the day time and after the week of night shifts passed he looked like a zombie! We don't have kids and do not desire to have them, but i cant imagine how a couple with kids would do this....
Isn't it just getting a bit ridiculous? and i'm sure it cant be good for your health working undesirable hours (like in the middle of the night).
We used to manage quite fine, so i dont see the need of changing it..
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Chloe_88;1437843 wrote: Now i know it's normal some places for shops (supermarkets etc.) to be open 24/7.
Untill about 3 weeks ago (most of) our supermarkets were open: monday - saterday 8 am - 8 pm and closed on sunday. Then they opened their doors on "koopzondag" (last sunday of the month shops open from 12-5pm).
When i was growing up it was even normal for shops to close for lunch, and on mondays not to open untill 12 or 1 pm (never open on a sunday). And any helpdesk was open from 9am - 5 or 6 pm.
Now supermarkets have opened their doors monday - saterday 8 am - 8 pm and sunday from 12-5pm every week. Some helpdesks (for internet support etc) are now open 24/7.
We used to get paid extra for working undesirable hours, and if you had a problem with working on sundays (lets say because of religion) then they couldn't make you work on a sunday.
They're now talking of scrapping the extra pay for working undesirable hours and you MUST be able to work on a sunday or they'll not hire you.
Besides when i was working 1.30pm - 10 pm, hubby worked 10pm - 7 am (at his old job). I only saw him in the mornings and on sundays, we were having difficulty eating healthy food as we cooking seperatly, he couldn't sleep during the day time and after the week of night shifts passed he looked like a zombie! We don't have kids and do not desire to have them, but i cant imagine how a couple with kids would do this....
Isn't it just getting a bit ridiculous? and i'm sure it cant be good for your health working undesirable hours (like in the middle of the night).
We used to manage quite fine, so i dont see the need of changing it..
I think it went this way in the states about 15-20 years ago. Now it seems everything is open 24/7. Walmarts with grocery, convenient shops etc. etc. The only thing that seems to close around here is the liquor stores at around midnight. Of course they open Sundays now also in case you were too drunk on Saturday to get your Sunday fix.
Untill about 3 weeks ago (most of) our supermarkets were open: monday - saterday 8 am - 8 pm and closed on sunday. Then they opened their doors on "koopzondag" (last sunday of the month shops open from 12-5pm).
When i was growing up it was even normal for shops to close for lunch, and on mondays not to open untill 12 or 1 pm (never open on a sunday). And any helpdesk was open from 9am - 5 or 6 pm.
Now supermarkets have opened their doors monday - saterday 8 am - 8 pm and sunday from 12-5pm every week. Some helpdesks (for internet support etc) are now open 24/7.
We used to get paid extra for working undesirable hours, and if you had a problem with working on sundays (lets say because of religion) then they couldn't make you work on a sunday.
They're now talking of scrapping the extra pay for working undesirable hours and you MUST be able to work on a sunday or they'll not hire you.
Besides when i was working 1.30pm - 10 pm, hubby worked 10pm - 7 am (at his old job). I only saw him in the mornings and on sundays, we were having difficulty eating healthy food as we cooking seperatly, he couldn't sleep during the day time and after the week of night shifts passed he looked like a zombie! We don't have kids and do not desire to have them, but i cant imagine how a couple with kids would do this....
Isn't it just getting a bit ridiculous? and i'm sure it cant be good for your health working undesirable hours (like in the middle of the night).
We used to manage quite fine, so i dont see the need of changing it..
I think it went this way in the states about 15-20 years ago. Now it seems everything is open 24/7. Walmarts with grocery, convenient shops etc. etc. The only thing that seems to close around here is the liquor stores at around midnight. Of course they open Sundays now also in case you were too drunk on Saturday to get your Sunday fix.
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My dad worked the midnight shift most of the time while I was growing up.
He was usually coming home and going to bed when we were getting off to school.
He would wake up around the time we got home for school.
Now, though, you're right. companies seldom offer to pay a "shift differential" for working odd hours
He was usually coming home and going to bed when we were getting off to school.
He would wake up around the time we got home for school.
Now, though, you're right. companies seldom offer to pay a "shift differential" for working odd hours
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I'm pretty spoilt for choice In my area. Although I live In a small village, the shop on the corner of my road opens at 6 am and closes 10 pm at night, 7 days a week. Great for when you run out of essentials.
Tesco Express the same at the top of the village.
Then within a mile, I have Sainsbury, Tesco, etc etc all open until 10 pm.
Approx 3 miles away, I have one of the largest Asda's In the country complete with cafe and other shops open 24/7 but I rarely go there. I'm not navigating a store the size of an aircraft hanger just to save 20p on a bag of mushrooms.
Tesco Express the same at the top of the village.
Then within a mile, I have Sainsbury, Tesco, etc etc all open until 10 pm.
Approx 3 miles away, I have one of the largest Asda's In the country complete with cafe and other shops open 24/7 but I rarely go there. I'm not navigating a store the size of an aircraft hanger just to save 20p on a bag of mushrooms.
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oscar;1437859 wrote: I have one of the largest Asda's In the country complete with cafe and other shops open 24/7 but I rarely go there. I'm not navigating a store the size of an aircraft hanger just to save 20p on a bag of mushrooms.
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Must admit when i'm over in England to visit family, we always get certain items you cant get here (like branston pickle, suet, different flavoured crisps etc).. but I always get lost in Asda's.. I end up running up and down the shop trying to find all these items and by that time i have lost my way to the exit... which takes me an extra 15 mins to find...
My friend said: it is handy that the shop is open on a sunday when you haven't any toiletpaper left.. my reply was: we did run out sometimes whilst i was growing up and in 1992 living in a small village, with one tiny shop only open a few hours and only on certain days, most of the time (if we ran out of toiletpaper) we ended up using newspaper.. It never killed us.
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Must admit when i'm over in England to visit family, we always get certain items you cant get here (like branston pickle, suet, different flavoured crisps etc).. but I always get lost in Asda's.. I end up running up and down the shop trying to find all these items and by that time i have lost my way to the exit... which takes me an extra 15 mins to find...
My friend said: it is handy that the shop is open on a sunday when you haven't any toiletpaper left.. my reply was: we did run out sometimes whilst i was growing up and in 1992 living in a small village, with one tiny shop only open a few hours and only on certain days, most of the time (if we ran out of toiletpaper) we ended up using newspaper.. It never killed us.
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Although i just had a thought.. with a lot of the news being digital, it might be a bit difficult whiping your bum on a tablet... 
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Welcome the world of flexible working where you can get a job on the night shift and sign away your rights to unsocial hours enhancement you are meant to get under the European working time directive. Don't know about the Netherlands but in the UK employers can give their employees the option of opting out so they can work night shifts for the same rate as the day shift and work more than 48 hours. They don't have to of course but when the choice is unemployment what do you do?
https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-worki ... opting-out
Opting out of the 48-hour week
Workers 18 or over who want to work more than 48 hours a week, can choose to opt out of the 48-hour limit.
This could be for a certain period or indefinitely. It must be voluntary and in writing.
It can’t be contained in an agreement with the whole workforce. However, employers are allowed to ask individual workers if they’d be willing to opt out.
An employer shouldn’t sack or unfairly treat a worker (eg refused promotion) for refusing to sign an opt-out.
Workers who can’t opt out
Employers must not allow the following staff to opt out:
workers on ships or boats
airline staff
workers in the road transport industry, eg delivery drivers (except for drivers of vehicles under 3.5 tonnes using GB Domestic drivers’ hours rules)
other staff who travel in and operate vehicles covered by EU rules on drivers’ hours, eg bus conductors
security guards on a vehicle carrying high-value goods
Cancelling an opt-out agreement
A worker can cancel their opt-out agreement whenever they want - even if it’s part of their employment contract.
They must give their employer at least 7 days’ notice. This could be longer (up to 3 months) if the worker previously agreed this in the written opt-out agreement with the employer.
The employer isn’t allowed to force a worker to cancel their opt-out agreement.
An employer shouldn’t sack or unfairly treat a worker (eg refused promotion) for refusing to sign an opt-out.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-worki ... opting-out
Opting out of the 48-hour week
Workers 18 or over who want to work more than 48 hours a week, can choose to opt out of the 48-hour limit.
This could be for a certain period or indefinitely. It must be voluntary and in writing.
It can’t be contained in an agreement with the whole workforce. However, employers are allowed to ask individual workers if they’d be willing to opt out.
An employer shouldn’t sack or unfairly treat a worker (eg refused promotion) for refusing to sign an opt-out.
Workers who can’t opt out
Employers must not allow the following staff to opt out:
workers on ships or boats
airline staff
workers in the road transport industry, eg delivery drivers (except for drivers of vehicles under 3.5 tonnes using GB Domestic drivers’ hours rules)
other staff who travel in and operate vehicles covered by EU rules on drivers’ hours, eg bus conductors
security guards on a vehicle carrying high-value goods
Cancelling an opt-out agreement
A worker can cancel their opt-out agreement whenever they want - even if it’s part of their employment contract.
They must give their employer at least 7 days’ notice. This could be longer (up to 3 months) if the worker previously agreed this in the written opt-out agreement with the employer.
The employer isn’t allowed to force a worker to cancel their opt-out agreement.
An employer shouldn’t sack or unfairly treat a worker (eg refused promotion) for refusing to sign an opt-out.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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gmc;1437898 wrote: They don't have to of course but when the choice is unemployment what do you do?
exactly.
I'm not quite sure of how it all exactly works here (different rules apply to different jobs).
At my work you cant do over 40 hours a week, but you must be available monday - sunday 8 am - 10 pm. You can block 3 parts in the week (3 mornings, afternoons or evenings), or block one full day. But you can never block a saterday or sunday.
And you must be available 3 evenings till 10pm.
Again, what if you're both working and have kids, you'd have 3 days not eating dinner with them or taking them to bed.
I would not have a warm meal for 3 days working the max. amount of evening shifts (not by choice btw.). As I don't do well these days on warm meals in the morning/lunch time, and at work we only get 30 mins to heat up dinner and eat.. (with my stomach problems it just takes me way longer then that). So I end up eating my bread&cheese mornings/lunch and at dinner time. Quite boring..
exactly.
I'm not quite sure of how it all exactly works here (different rules apply to different jobs).
At my work you cant do over 40 hours a week, but you must be available monday - sunday 8 am - 10 pm. You can block 3 parts in the week (3 mornings, afternoons or evenings), or block one full day. But you can never block a saterday or sunday.
And you must be available 3 evenings till 10pm.
Again, what if you're both working and have kids, you'd have 3 days not eating dinner with them or taking them to bed.
I would not have a warm meal for 3 days working the max. amount of evening shifts (not by choice btw.). As I don't do well these days on warm meals in the morning/lunch time, and at work we only get 30 mins to heat up dinner and eat.. (with my stomach problems it just takes me way longer then that). So I end up eating my bread&cheese mornings/lunch and at dinner time. Quite boring..
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Once walmart did it the other bigger grocers did it here in small town usa. The mom and pops can't do it, it would kill them.
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