A bid to save a young giraffe from destruction at Copenhagen Zoo has failed, and the giraffe was put down on Sunday morning..........A crowd of visitors, including children, watched as the carcass was skinned, cut up and fed to the lions.
Personally I don't see too much wrong with this.
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Bruv;1447616 wrote: A bid to save a young giraffe from destruction at Copenhagen Zoo has failed, and the giraffe was put down on Sunday morning..........A crowd of visitors, including children, watched as the carcass was skinned, cut up and fed to the lions.
Personally I don't see too much wrong with this.
That other zoos with spare capacity had offered to take the "spare" giraffe and Copenhagen refused to pass it on, instead choosing to put it down as "surplus" needs some explaining.
Personally I don't see too much wrong with this.
That other zoos with spare capacity had offered to take the "spare" giraffe and Copenhagen refused to pass it on, instead choosing to put it down as "surplus" needs some explaining.
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Bryn Mawr;1447617 wrote: That other zoos with spare capacity had offered to take the "spare" giraffe and Copenhagen refused to pass it on, instead choosing to put it down as "surplus" needs some explaining.
It was recycled, not surplus at all.
It was recycled, not surplus at all.
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Bruv;1447618 wrote: It was recycled, not surplus at all.
You can feed the lions with any meat - there were zoos asking to take the giraffe so why the refusal?
You can feed the lions with any meat - there were zoos asking to take the giraffe so why the refusal?
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Bryn Mawr;1447619 wrote: You can feed the lions with any meat - there were zoos asking to take the giraffe so why the refusal?
It's not like they are an endangered species.
Many zoos have breeding programs, culling, for want of a better word and using animals that might not have survived in the wild to feed other animals seems a clever tactic.
It's not like they are an endangered species.
Many zoos have breeding programs, culling, for want of a better word and using animals that might not have survived in the wild to feed other animals seems a clever tactic.
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Bruv;1447625 wrote: It's not like they are an endangered species.
Many zoos have breeding programs, culling, for want of a better word and using animals that might not have survived in the wild to feed other animals seems a clever tactic.
They could have culled their herd by selling the unwanted giraffe off to any one of the zoos that wanted it - so who kill it?
Many zoos have breeding programs, culling, for want of a better word and using animals that might not have survived in the wild to feed other animals seems a clever tactic.
They could have culled their herd by selling the unwanted giraffe off to any one of the zoos that wanted it - so who kill it?
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And why butcher it in front of small children and claim it was an educational experience? Needlessly gruesome and a completely pointless death of a healthy animal.
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Snooz;1447628 wrote: And why butcher it in front of small children and claim it was an educational experience? Needlessly gruesome and a completely pointless death of a healthy animal.
A spokesman for the zoo told the Associated Press the event allowed parents to decide whether their children should watch.
He told the BBC it was a responsible practice for zoos to manage their animal populations to ensure they remained healthy, with some 20-30 animals put down at Copenhagen Zoo in a typical year.
A spokesman for the zoo told the Associated Press the event allowed parents to decide whether their children should watch.
He told the BBC it was a responsible practice for zoos to manage their animal populations to ensure they remained healthy, with some 20-30 animals put down at Copenhagen Zoo in a typical year.
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Bryn Mawr;1447626 wrote: They could have culled their herd by selling the unwanted giraffe off to any one of the zoos that wanted it - so who kill it?
The zoo said it had no choice because of its duty to avoid in-breeding.
The UK's Yorkshire Wildlife Park - which has a state-of-the-art giraffe house and the capacity for an extra male - was among several zoos which put in last-ditch offers to take Marius.
The zoo said it had no choice because of its duty to avoid in-breeding.
The UK's Yorkshire Wildlife Park - which has a state-of-the-art giraffe house and the capacity for an extra male - was among several zoos which put in last-ditch offers to take Marius.
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It's taken me a while to comment here because I don't think I have ever been so upset.
I see a lot of needless animal cruelty from some of the sites I support but this was absolutely needless,
Zoo's have come a long way from the 60's and 70's and now tend to be more of along the lines of conservation of species.
Any zoo that feels the need to label a beautiful wild animal as ' surplus' has no business In keeping such animals.
There Is a programme with zoo's and conservation centres that can swap animals to avoid Inbreeding... this was cruel and pointless.
I see a lot of needless animal cruelty from some of the sites I support but this was absolutely needless,
Zoo's have come a long way from the 60's and 70's and now tend to be more of along the lines of conservation of species.
Any zoo that feels the need to label a beautiful wild animal as ' surplus' has no business In keeping such animals.
There Is a programme with zoo's and conservation centres that can swap animals to avoid Inbreeding... this was cruel and pointless.
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Bruv;1447635 wrote: The zoo said it had no choice because of its duty to avoid in-breeding.
The UK's Yorkshire Wildlife Park - which has a state-of-the-art giraffe house and the capacity for an extra male - was among several zoos which put in last-ditch offers to take Marius.
The excuse about in-breeding does not cover selling the animal into another herd.
I'd be surprised if the offers were other than last ditch - I don't imagine Copenhagen Zoo gave much notice of their intentions.
The UK's Yorkshire Wildlife Park - which has a state-of-the-art giraffe house and the capacity for an extra male - was among several zoos which put in last-ditch offers to take Marius.
The excuse about in-breeding does not cover selling the animal into another herd.
I'd be surprised if the offers were other than last ditch - I don't imagine Copenhagen Zoo gave much notice of their intentions.
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If they were that concerned about inbred animals then why did they allow the parents to mate?
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oscar;1447653 wrote: It's taken me a while to comment here because I don't think I have ever been so upset.
There are far worse things going on in the world
There Is a programme with zoo's and conservation centres that can swap animals to avoid Inbreeding... this was cruel and pointless.
These were treated more like animals in the real animal world, that's the way it works in the world uncontrolled by mankind.
There are far worse things going on in the world
There Is a programme with zoo's and conservation centres that can swap animals to avoid Inbreeding... this was cruel and pointless.
These were treated more like animals in the real animal world, that's the way it works in the world uncontrolled by mankind.
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Bruv;1447670 wrote: There are far worse things going on in the world
That's the typical response from the human mindset who believes that only mankinds troubles are worthy of our tears. The world Is full of people like you who believe that mankind Is the superior species with the god given right to choose life or death over another species.
Empathy Is not selective or exclusive to the human race. The ability to feel for another species, a defenceless species Is what makes humans far more well rounded. Lose sight of caring for other species and their plights and you lose sight of the human race. Without empathy for another living creature because It happens to be another species will see a human race In the future devoid of emotion or empathy.
The Importance of empathy for another species Is paramount, for If we feel nothing and we can't defend the weak, the defenceless, the vulnerable, then we can not as a species, show the same feeling when the same comes to mankind.
That's the typical response from the human mindset who believes that only mankinds troubles are worthy of our tears. The world Is full of people like you who believe that mankind Is the superior species with the god given right to choose life or death over another species.
Empathy Is not selective or exclusive to the human race. The ability to feel for another species, a defenceless species Is what makes humans far more well rounded. Lose sight of caring for other species and their plights and you lose sight of the human race. Without empathy for another living creature because It happens to be another species will see a human race In the future devoid of emotion or empathy.
The Importance of empathy for another species Is paramount, for If we feel nothing and we can't defend the weak, the defenceless, the vulnerable, then we can not as a species, show the same feeling when the same comes to mankind.
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Reading this makes me wonder.
" some 20-30 animals put down at Copenhagen Zoo in a typical year." this one animal becomes a Cause célèbre.
" some 20-30 animals put down at Copenhagen Zoo in a typical year." this one animal becomes a Cause célèbre.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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I just tried to find out how many animals are euthanized in the San Diego zoo in any given year and that information isn't readily available. It's big news when the SD zoo has to put down an elderly elephant, so I'm thinking... not many. 20 - 30 animals is an outrageous amount considering zoos are meant to preserve animal species, not publicly slaughter them and feed the bits to other animals in captivity.
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tude dog;1447679 wrote: Reading this makes me wonder.
" some 20-30 animals put down at Copenhagen Zoo in a typical year." this one animal becomes a Cause célèbre.
Because it was so public. Because the animal was not sick. Because parents were allowed, if they wanted, to bring in young children to watch the spectacle.
" some 20-30 animals put down at Copenhagen Zoo in a typical year." this one animal becomes a Cause célèbre.
Because it was so public. Because the animal was not sick. Because parents were allowed, if they wanted, to bring in young children to watch the spectacle.
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Wonder why they didn't just put the living giraffe in the hungry lion compound & let them get at it like they would in the wild. Now that's a spectacle!
How was this poor giraffe euthanized? By injection of some sort? Nevermind euthanized. It was murder.
How was this poor giraffe euthanized? By injection of some sort? Nevermind euthanized. It was murder.
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oscar;1447676 wrote: That's the typical response from the human mindset who believes that only mankinds troubles are worthy of our tears. The world Is full of people like you who believe that mankind Is the superior species with the god given right to choose life or death over another species.
WHAT ????? Calm down......
Animals taken from the wild, shipped halway around the world into a false foriegn enviroment, bred and rebred for entertainment.... not preservation.....is found to be unsuitable for further breeding at this particular zoo.
The plan to feed big cat food to big cats from it's own resources, to raise the zoos profile, to remind people of the fact giraffes are big cat food........in the real world.....not my world where I decide who dies or who doesn't or whether it is right or wrong......the Natural World.....not a concrete man made entertainment facility namely a zoo.
Is it better to feed the big cats on beef from the local butcher when there is a natural food source 'inhouse'?
There might be a question about the way they involved the children and the autopsy,and the internet,and the publicity it generated........but that is the name of the Zoo game, selling itself to the public, so they won.
WHAT ????? Calm down......
Animals taken from the wild, shipped halway around the world into a false foriegn enviroment, bred and rebred for entertainment.... not preservation.....is found to be unsuitable for further breeding at this particular zoo.
The plan to feed big cat food to big cats from it's own resources, to raise the zoos profile, to remind people of the fact giraffes are big cat food........in the real world.....not my world where I decide who dies or who doesn't or whether it is right or wrong......the Natural World.....not a concrete man made entertainment facility namely a zoo.
Is it better to feed the big cats on beef from the local butcher when there is a natural food source 'inhouse'?
There might be a question about the way they involved the children and the autopsy,and the internet,and the publicity it generated........but that is the name of the Zoo game, selling itself to the public, so they won.
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I used to respect zoos but I'm having second thoughts.
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Snooz;1447710 wrote: I used to respect zoos but I'm having second thoughts.
Don't blame all of them for the actions of one
Don't blame all of them for the actions of one
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Bryn Mawr;1447716 wrote: Don't blame all of them for the actions of one Very true Bryn and I don't have to travel far to experience a good one.
Introducing Bristol Zoo’s new conservation park – Wild Place | Bristol Zoo
The numbers of animals euthanised by Zoo's mainly Include those too sick to save and the elderly. Nothing wrong with that for we all put our own pets out of pain when they get old and sick but In this case, It was completely needless,
Introducing Bristol Zoo’s new conservation park – Wild Place | Bristol Zoo
The numbers of animals euthanised by Zoo's mainly Include those too sick to save and the elderly. Nothing wrong with that for we all put our own pets out of pain when they get old and sick but In this case, It was completely needless,
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Well according to a surprising amount of people I've read online, killing a healthy 18 month old giraffe was a perfectly sane reaction to having a 'surplus' animal and of course they were going to butcher it publicly because it was an exciting educational opportunity. Me? I think they're sick in the head for trying to justify this barbaric behavior.
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Snooz;1447720 wrote: Well according to a surprising amount of people I've read online, killing a healthy 18 month old giraffe was a perfectly sane reaction to having a 'surplus' animal and of course they were going to butcher it publicly because it was an exciting educational opportunity. Me? I think they're sick in the head for trying to justify this barbaric behavior.
Agreed... there are no excuses.
Agreed... there are no excuses.
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AnneBoleyn;1447707 wrote: Because it was so public Because the animal was not sick. Because parents were allowed, if they wanted, to bring in young children to watch the spectacle.
OK, if that works for you.:guitarist
OK, if that works for you.:guitarist
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Snooz;1447680 wrote: I just tried to find out how many animals are euthanized in the San Diego zoo in any given year and that information isn't readily available. It's big news when the SD zoo has to put down an elderly elephant, so I'm thinking... not many. 20 - 30 animals is an outrageous amount considering zoos are meant to preserve animal species, not publicly slaughter them and feed the bits to other animals in captivity.
It baffles my mind, people do not understand.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative.
It baffles my mind, people do not understand.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1447733 wrote: It baffles my mind, people do not understand.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative. Lions In captivity are In the main fed on beef... there was no need to slaughter this baby.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative. Lions In captivity are In the main fed on beef... there was no need to slaughter this baby.
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tude dog;1447733 wrote: It baffles my mind, people do not understand.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative.
It baffles my mind that you *don't* think zoos should protect and preserve the animals they have.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative.
It baffles my mind that you *don't* think zoos should protect and preserve the animals they have.
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The endangered status of the Giraffe
So no great need to conserve as a species in this instance.
Empathy for another living creature.........
Is empathy reserved for exotic creatures only?
In natures plan, the humanely slaughtered giraffe rates no higher than the other local ruminants that would have had to be slaughtered to be served up for dinner that day.
In fact the giraffe's demise possibly saved several animals lives, one giraffe must weigh the same for food as several goats,sheep, or at least one and a half cow.
So my position extends empathy to all animals not simply the ones I deem arrogantly worthy of it.
So no great need to conserve as a species in this instance.
Empathy for another living creature.........
Is empathy reserved for exotic creatures only?
In natures plan, the humanely slaughtered giraffe rates no higher than the other local ruminants that would have had to be slaughtered to be served up for dinner that day.
In fact the giraffe's demise possibly saved several animals lives, one giraffe must weigh the same for food as several goats,sheep, or at least one and a half cow.
So my position extends empathy to all animals not simply the ones I deem arrogantly worthy of it.
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oscar;1447737 wrote: Lions In captivity are In the main fed on beef... there was no need to slaughter this baby.
What about the poor cows who are put down for the lions?
What about the poor cows who are put down for the lions?
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tude dog;1447733 wrote: It baffles my mind, people do not understand.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative.
Then you're easily baffled.
No-one is expecting the zoo to be an ever expanding preserve for wild creatures - what we do expect is for a zoo to sell on its excess to other zoos with spare capacity rather than kill animals unnecessarily.
Seems some here expect zoos to be ever expanding preservations of wild creatures.
From what I read, the animal was humanly put down and fed to natural predators. No doubt the lions were appreciative.
Then you're easily baffled.
No-one is expecting the zoo to be an ever expanding preserve for wild creatures - what we do expect is for a zoo to sell on its excess to other zoos with spare capacity rather than kill animals unnecessarily.
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YZGI;1447786 wrote: What about the poor cows who are put down for the lions?
A farm is a concern dedicated to raising stock for food.
A zoo is a concern dedicated to animal conservation.
Can you see no difference? Copenhagen Zoo violated their own mission statement which, in part, says :-
Be actively involved in the international efforts to preserve animal species and habitats and thereby contribute to the conservation of the biodiversity.
Known and respected as an active nature conservation organisation with a global perspective and network.
A farm is a concern dedicated to raising stock for food.
A zoo is a concern dedicated to animal conservation.
Can you see no difference? Copenhagen Zoo violated their own mission statement which, in part, says :-
Be actively involved in the international efforts to preserve animal species and habitats and thereby contribute to the conservation of the biodiversity.
Known and respected as an active nature conservation organisation with a global perspective and network.
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Bryn Mawr;1447828 wrote: Then you're easily baffled.
No-one is expecting the zoo to be an ever expanding preserve for wild creatures - what we do expect is for a zoo to sell on its excess to other zoos with spare capacity rather than kill animals unnecessarily.
Just looked to me like a lot of emotional driven argument, which I dislike.
It is an animal, neither rare or endangered.
Oh well, just my two cents.
No-one is expecting the zoo to be an ever expanding preserve for wild creatures - what we do expect is for a zoo to sell on its excess to other zoos with spare capacity rather than kill animals unnecessarily.
Just looked to me like a lot of emotional driven argument, which I dislike.
It is an animal, neither rare or endangered.
Oh well, just my two cents.
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tude dog;1447846 wrote: Just looked to me like a lot of emotional driven argument, which I dislike.
It is an animal, neither rare or endangered.
Oh well, just my two cents.
Every argument is at it's core, emotionally driven, no matter how 'rational' the tone is. A useless, uncalled for death, drives emotion. I actually think, I'll repeat, if they wanted to kill this animal & feed it to lions, the giraffe should have been placed in the lion compound. That's more natural, more educational. I shuddered while typing that.
However, I am with those who say there was no need for this young, beautiful creature to die. When death is senseless, people become emotional. That's what being human is.
eta---does anything drive you emotionally? In sympathy, I mean, not your usual emotional display of anger & disgust.
It is an animal, neither rare or endangered.
Oh well, just my two cents.
Every argument is at it's core, emotionally driven, no matter how 'rational' the tone is. A useless, uncalled for death, drives emotion. I actually think, I'll repeat, if they wanted to kill this animal & feed it to lions, the giraffe should have been placed in the lion compound. That's more natural, more educational. I shuddered while typing that.
However, I am with those who say there was no need for this young, beautiful creature to die. When death is senseless, people become emotional. That's what being human is.
eta---does anything drive you emotionally? In sympathy, I mean, not your usual emotional display of anger & disgust.
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I just read this on Slate.com:
But the Danes also strongly believe that being a parent is an enriching experience for their animals. The problem is that while it solves one animal welfare problem—the well-being of the breeding adults—it creates a subsequent ethical issue, that of what to do with the “surplus offspring.
How does that make sense to anyone? I can understand not wanting your animals on contraceptives, etc but can't they keep them apart when the female is in heat or whatever the term is? How "enriching" is it for the mother giraffe to have her young one taken from her and perhaps catching a scent of his blood on the wind when his butchered carcass is being torn apart by the lions?
But the Danes also strongly believe that being a parent is an enriching experience for their animals. The problem is that while it solves one animal welfare problem—the well-being of the breeding adults—it creates a subsequent ethical issue, that of what to do with the “surplus offspring.
How does that make sense to anyone? I can understand not wanting your animals on contraceptives, etc but can't they keep them apart when the female is in heat or whatever the term is? How "enriching" is it for the mother giraffe to have her young one taken from her and perhaps catching a scent of his blood on the wind when his butchered carcass is being torn apart by the lions?
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Snooz;1447863 wrote: I just read this on Slate.com:
How does that make sense to anyone? I can understand not wanting your animals on contraceptives, etc but can't they keep them apart when the female is in heat or whatever the term is? How "enriching" is it for the mother giraffe to have her young one taken from her and perhaps catching a scent of his blood on the wind when his butchered carcass is being torn apart by the lions?
What is unethical about selling the offspring to another zoo?
How does that make sense to anyone? I can understand not wanting your animals on contraceptives, etc but can't they keep them apart when the female is in heat or whatever the term is? How "enriching" is it for the mother giraffe to have her young one taken from her and perhaps catching a scent of his blood on the wind when his butchered carcass is being torn apart by the lions?
What is unethical about selling the offspring to another zoo?
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Using the same measureing stick ......this is wrong.
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Bruv;1447993 wrote: Using the same measureing stick ......this is wrong.
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That would totally revolve about the claim that the Lions were becoming dangerously violent - if they were to an extent to put the public in danger then did they have a choice? If not then you're right, it would be equally wrong.
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That would totally revolve about the claim that the Lions were becoming dangerously violent - if they were to an extent to put the public in danger then did they have a choice? If not then you're right, it would be equally wrong.
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Animals per say do not ask to come and live with us weather exotic or not. Should we choose to take any animal Into captivity then we Immediately take on a role of duty of care. The animals are defenceless, they can not argue their case. Once In captivity, they are wholly dependent on man to provide warmth, food and shelter. This Is why we prosecute those who do not.
If you culled a puppy and fed It to your dogs, you'd be prosecuted. The same should apply whatever species the animal Is.
The exercise for the purpose of children will have the effect that every decent animal lover wants eradicated... that society see's another species as something that can be thrown away when It doesn't suit and far from educate the children that this Is life, It will teach them that animals are disposable.
For that, Copenhagen Zoo needs shutting down or the men who made this decision to lose their jobs.
I would have actually had no problem with an elderly, sick Giraffe at the end of It's life being humanely put down and fed to the lions. But a baby ? There are no excuses.
If you culled a puppy and fed It to your dogs, you'd be prosecuted. The same should apply whatever species the animal Is.
The exercise for the purpose of children will have the effect that every decent animal lover wants eradicated... that society see's another species as something that can be thrown away when It doesn't suit and far from educate the children that this Is life, It will teach them that animals are disposable.
For that, Copenhagen Zoo needs shutting down or the men who made this decision to lose their jobs.
I would have actually had no problem with an elderly, sick Giraffe at the end of It's life being humanely put down and fed to the lions. But a baby ? There are no excuses.
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There's another Danish zoo with another young male giraffe named Marius that they're thinking of putting down for the same reason but I think they learned from the earlier public relations catastrophe and have put out feelers for other organizations that might be interested in taking the little guy in.
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Snooz;1448091 wrote: There's another Danish zoo with another young male giraffe named Marius that they're thinking of putting down for the same reason but I think they learned from the earlier public relations catastrophe and have put out feelers for other organizations that might be interested in taking the little guy in.
Good
Good
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