Greatest threat to world peace?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:18 pm

The United States is the greatest threat to world peace. That’s the finding of an end-of-the- year, WIN/Gallup International survey of people in 65 countries.

So.......what do you think?

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:58 pm

So, they asked the same question and got the same results. I wish they had asked what the biggest threat to world peace is, rather than just who. Or even why.

I could see several reasons why they would choose the US, but am very curious.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:49 pm

So, look at this another way, about 75% of the respondents said somebody besides the US is the greatest threat to world Peace.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:51 pm

Bruv;1451188 wrote: The United States is the greatest threat to world peace. That’s the finding of an end-of-the- year, WIN/Gallup International survey of people in 65 countries.

So.......what do you think?

I agree. It's too easy to blame the frustrated man (who's just lashed out in desperation at everything in sight) but who is his antagonist, and ought the blame not be placed there?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:57 pm

LarsMac;1451201 wrote: So, look at this another way, about 75% of the respondents said somebody besides the US is the greatest threat to world Peace.

I'll try to remember that at the Olympic Games when the Americans claim to have won more gold medals than anyone else. I'll tell them, "Oh no! 96% of all the gold medals were awarded to other countries. So the U.S. didn't do very well at all."

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:27 pm

Bruv;1451188 wrote: The United States is the greatest threat to world peace. That’s the finding of an end-of-the- year, WIN/Gallup International survey of people in 65 countries.

New York Post, "There are many people in this world who don’t like the US and will regard us as a threat no matter who’s president."

Hmmmm. Another red herring, "Woe is us", "anti-America", smoke screen? Is the NY Post saying that the world is unable to discern your national misdeeds? The outside world is not "with us or against us" oriented, America, so judging us by your own befuddled standards won't do you any good except in keeping your population from asking the real questions.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:27 pm

High Threshold;1451203 wrote: I'll try to remember that at the Olympic Games when the Americans claim to have won more gold medals than anyone else. I'll tell them, "Oh no! 96% of all the gold medals were awarded to other countries. So the U.S. didn't do very well at all."

That logic only works if you replace "anyone else" with something like "everyone else"

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:30 pm

LarsMac;1451205 wrote: That logic only works if you replace "anyone else" with something like "everyone else"

On the other hand, your logic doesn't make sense in either case.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:44 pm

High Threshold;1451206 wrote: On the other hand, your logic doesn't make sense in either case.

Really?

A lot of people holding a particular opinion does not make that opinion fact. And you can't even draw a consensus from those results.

The article opens with an assertion that is based on the opinion of less that 25% of the respondents. Where, pray tell, is the logic?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:04 pm

LarsMac;1451207 wrote: Really?

A lot of people holding a particular opinion does not make that opinion fact. And you can't even draw a consensus from those results.

The article opens with an assertion that is based on the opinion of less that 25% of the respondents. Where, pray tell, is the logic?

It is an international survey. The logic is in its' very perception.

You do understand what "percentages" and "percentage comparisons" are, yes? The logic, therefore, is in the facts provided by the survey itself. If you do not appreciate those findings then I suggest that you cover your eyes and ignore them. "Spinning" the facts, however (for our benefit) reduces your credibility and will come back to bite you later on when the facts are in your opinionated favour ...... my "Olympic Games" counterpoint as an example.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:15 am

They do put themselves about a bit......A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:57 am

Bruv;1451209 wrote: They do put themselves about a bit......A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

That tears it! From this moment forward I will never drink Coca Cola or eat at a MacDonald's again! I'm tossing my baseball cap into the rubbish bin as well! :yh_angry

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:55 am

High Threshold;1451210 wrote: That tears it! From this moment forward I will never drink Coca Cola or eat at a MacDonald's again! I'm tossing my baseball cap into the rubbish bin as well! :yh_angry

So says a person posting from Sweden in the language adopted by the Americans ?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:03 am

Bruv;1451211 wrote: So says a person posting from Sweden in the language adopted by the Americans ?

Why do you ask? Do I begin each and every sentence with "basically" and end them with "duh"?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:47 am

It was rhetorical.

Just pointing out how the your not eating burgers, drinking coke or wearing a cap statement, pales into insignificence when you deliver it with an American accent, they have got you already bro.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:51 am

Bruv;1451211 wrote: So says a person posting from Sweden in the language adopted by the Americans ?

On the internet invented by Americans, using a computer invented by Americans. This is why people hate America...they envy us.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:03 am

Saint_;1451217 wrote: On the internet invented by Americans, using a computer invented by Americans. This is why people hate America...they envy us.

*Cough* Sorry I nearly choked.....................do you believe all that ?

Tim Berners-Lee?

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:20 am

High Threshold;1451208 wrote: It is an international survey. The logic is in its' very perception.

You do understand what "percentages" and "percentage comparisons" are, yes? The logic, therefore, is in the facts provided by the survey itself. If you do not appreciate those findings then I suggest that you cover your eyes and ignore them. "Spinning" the facts, however (for our benefit) reduces your credibility and will come back to bite you later on when the facts are in your opinionated favour ...... my "Olympic Games" counterpoint as an example.
I am sorry that you don't seem to grasp my point.

The writer makes a very definite declaration and then presents a generalized opinion rather than facts to back up the statement.

It's really very simple.

And I am not even saying that I disagree with his statement. I am saying that his argument based upon the survey results fails to actually back up the statement.

The survey findings show that more people picked the US over any other single country to be the greatest threat to world peace. Of course he fails to offer the criteria for the question, itself, or any of the actual resulting data. The survey results offer a general opinion.

There is, in a nutshell, the problem with the world, today. Opinion is now perceived as fact.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:48 am

Everyone Knows that ARPANET was the original internet.

http://www.internetsociety.org/internet ... y-internet

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:49 am

I suppose you don't think we invented computers either, right?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:57 am

or blue jeans? or the airplane? or moon landings? or the electric light bulb? or cell phones?

What would the world be like without American ingenuity?

1801, Modern Suspension Bridge, James Finley

1853, Potato chips, George Crum

1856, Condensed Milk, Gail Borden

1879, Electric Light Bulb, Thomas Alva Edison

1885, Photographic Film, George Eastman

1887, Disc Record, Emile Berliner 1877, Phonograph, Thomas Alva Edison

1861, Machine Gun, Richard Gatling

1885, Skyscraper, William Le Baron Jenney

1897, Cotton Candy, William Morrison & John C. Wharton

1894, Mousetrap, William C. Hooker

1903, Airplane, Wilbur and Orville Wright

1905, Ice pop, Frank Epperson

1912 the electric traffic light by Lester Wire, a policeman from Salt Lake City.

1926, Liquid-Fuel Rocket, Robert H. Goddard

1929, Sun glasses, Sam Foster 1937, Edwin Land, Polarized sun glasses

1929, Frozen Food, Clarence Birdseye

1930, Chocolate chip cookie, Ruth Wakefield

1937, modern day digital computer was invented by George Stibitz while he was working at Bell Labs.

1938, Nylon, Wallace H. Carothers 1956, Pantyhose, Ernest G. Rice

1939, The fully automatic automobile transmission was invented by General Motors and introduced by Oldsmobile & Cadillac.

1945, Microwave Oven, Percy Spencer

1945, Nuclear Bomb, J. Robert Oppenheimer

1945, microwave oven, Percy Spencer, an engineer from Maine who was working on the magnetron for radar sets at Raytheon, found out that the microwaves had melted the chocolate in his pocket.

1950, Credit card, Ralph Schneider & Frank X. McNamara

1950, Disposable Diaper, Marion Donovan

1954, Nuclear Submarine, Hyman Rickover

1958, Integrated circuit, 1947, Transistor, Jack Kilby William Shockley

1960, Magnetic stripe card, Forrest Parry

1960 the first LASER was built by Theodore H. Maiman, at Hughes Research Laboratories in Malibu, California.

1962 the use of Light Emitting Diodes for lighting and image displays by Nick Holonyak Jr., a consulting scientist at General Electric Company in Syracuse, New York.

1965 Compact Disk, by inventor Jack Russel

1968, Lunar Module, Tom Kelly

1969, Laser Printer by Gary Keith Starkweather Xerox’s Webster research Center.

1970 - fiber optic cable was developed by Robert Maurer, Donald Keck, and Peter Schultz, Corning Glass in New York

1971, Personal Computer, John Blankenbaker

1971 Email The first email was sent in 1971 using ARPANET, by Ray Tomlinson.

1973 The first the mobile phone was developed by a team headed by Dr. Martin Cooper.

1981, Space Shuttle, George Mueller

1982 – the Internet Protocol Suite of the US National Science Foundation

1980s

- the personal computer

- The computer mouse – funded by the US Government

- The Charge Coupled Device image sensor and the LCD display where both developed by the RCA Sarnoff Labs under a US Government contract.

1994 – GPS invented by the United States Air Force became operational

America, the greatest civilization in the history of mankind. More powerful, more imaginative, more wealthy, more caring and charitable, more creative, and more influential than any civilization that came before.

Yeah...That's us.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:10 am

Rock 'n Roll. That's the one I like best.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:11 am

AnneBoleyn;1451234 wrote: Rock 'n Roll. That's the one I like best.
uh, thank you. Thank you very much.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:19 am

Bruv;1451216 wrote: It was rhetorical.

Just pointing out how the your not eating burgers, drinking coke or wearing a cap statement, pales into insignificence when you deliver it with an American accent, they have got you already bro.

Yeah well, like basically I was jes kiddin about the MacDonald's, know what I'm sayin. It's like, you know a big mac is sort of the best thing in life irreguardless of everthing else and I jes might phisically go down there and get me one of them right now.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:24 am

LarsMac;1451221 wrote: I am sorry that you don't seem to grasp my point.

The writer makes a very definite declaration and then presents a generalized opinion rather than facts to back up the statement.

It's really very simple.

And I am not even saying that I disagree with his statement. I am saying that his argument based upon the survey results fails to actually back up the statement.

The survey findings show that more people picked the US over any other single country to be the greatest threat to world peace. Of course he fails to offer the criteria for the question, itself, or any of the actual resulting data. The survey results offer a general opinion.

There is, in a nutshell, the problem with the world, today. Opinion is now perceived as fact.

The horse is already dead. You won't need to kick it any longer.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:35 am

How did this thread descend into listing American inventions?

But.......many of the 'inventions' are edible, so really recipes, or war related, what I expected really.

Wasn't much of the space technology purloined from German scientists 'recruited' or would it be 'freed' from their war work following WW2?

I have also note the many other less agreeable spin offs from these all American inventions.......cluster bombs, napalm, agent orange and obesity, spring to mind.

Was going to list a few British innovations but am far too English to crow about them.................plus not enough space here to give them the credit they deserve.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:42 am

Bruv;1451243 wrote: ... Wasn't much of the space technology purloined from German scientists 'recruited' or would it be 'freed' from their war work following WW2?

.....

I think "liberated" is the word you're avoiding. :wah:

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:43 am

High Threshold;1451239 wrote: The horse is already dead. You won't need to kick it any longer.

So, now you've killed my horse and I am dismissed.

How noble of you.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:18 pm

Bruv;1451243 wrote: How did this thread descend into listing American inventions?.

Bruv maligned the good name of the U.S.A. by using slanted and untrue propaganda to imply that America did not invent the internet. (As if anyone would believe that!)

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:20 pm

Bruv;1451243 wrote:

Wasn't much of the space technology purloined from German scientists 'recruited' or would it be 'freed' from their war work following WW2?.

Didn't I just say, "The most creative society ever?" We creatively stole German technology and their scientists too.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:34 pm

Saint_;1451231 wrote: I suppose you don't think we invented computers either, right?

Depends how you define "computer"

Alan Turing ?

Charles Babbage ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:38 pm

Saint_;1451284 wrote: Didn't I just say, "The most creative society ever?"

Imaginative too................you forgot that one.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:59 pm

Marketing is everything

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:08 am

LarsMac;1451292 wrote: Marketing is everything

And deflection ?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:27 am

Bruv;1451306 wrote: And deflection ?

Particularly deflection.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:01 am

High Threshold;1451307 wrote: Particularly deflection.

I think I have worked you out mate.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:06 am

Bruv;1451308 wrote: I think I have worked you out mate.

I'm afraid to ask. :-3

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:18 am

posted by bruv

Was going to list a few British innovations but am far too English to crow about them.................plus not enough space here to give them the credit they deserve.

Many of those british inventions were actually made by scots - don't like to rub it in though.

America, the greatest civilization in the history of mankind. More powerful, more imaginative, more wealthy, more caring and charitable, more creative, and more influential than any civilization that came before.

They don't teach you much about world history much do they.:sneaky:

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:47 am

gmc;1451315 wrote: Many of those british inventions were actually made by scots - don't like to rub it in though.

Sshhhhush !!

They don't know that, they think we all live in Bucking......Ham Palace, playing Polo all day eating cucumber sandwiches while drinking Pimms.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:50 am

High Threshold;1451312 wrote: I'm afraid to ask. :-3

No you are not........you just did.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:28 am

Saint_;1451232 wrote: ...

America, the greatest civilization in the history of mankind. More powerful, more imaginative, more wealthy, more caring and charitable, more creative, and more influential than any civilization that came before.

Yeah...That's us.

Well, it was us, once.

We seem to prefer to rest on our laurels, now-days, when we are not working on finding ways to stuff the coffers of the rich and starve the hungry.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:40 am

Bruv;1451319 wrote: No you are not........you just did.

Do I detect a sinister tone? Curiouser and curiouser.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:31 am

LarsMac;1451320 wrote: Well, it was us, once.

We seem to prefer to rest on our laurels, now-days, when we are not working on finding ways to stuff the coffers of the rich and starve the hungry.

"The 'plebes' will never revolt..." George Orwell, 1984.

I wanted to say we are the 'free-est' nation on earth, in terms of speech, action, but in thinking so I also thought of that quote. There is a relationship. Throw some crumbs, let more electronic gadgets be available, & they'll go away.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:48 am

AnneBoleyn;1451324 wrote: I wanted to say we are the 'free-est' nation on earth, in terms of speech, action .....

Why would you want to say that? The U.S. is not the free-est nation on earth. You do realize that don't you?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:17 am

We don't get arrested here for anything we say. We don't get police action for anything we say. Generally speaking. What I know & think about Sweden is very positive, but I'm not pretending to really know. The Brits here have reported police involvement if someone calls someone a nasty name about, i.e., their country of origin, or race. That does not happen here. We are free to be obnoxious & outwardly racist, etc. if that is our choice.

I have lived & travelled in Europe. I admit, I barely saw much difference, except on the surface of manners, language, culture, that type of thing. Life is life & I am not saying that Life here is the very best there is or can be.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:37 am

Bruv;1451308 wrote: I think I have worked you out mate.

High Threshold;1451312 wrote: I'm afraid to ask. :-3

High Threshold;1451322 wrote: Do I detect a sinister tone? Curiouser and curiouser.

High Threshold;1451328 wrote: Why would you want to say that? The U.S. is not the free-est nation on earth. You do realize that don't you?

The master of the teasing one liner........waiting for somebody to ask for more?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:11 pm

Saint_;1451231 wrote: I suppose you don't think we invented computers either, right?

Damn'd right I don't - both the Brits and the Germans beat you to it

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:16 pm

AnneBoleyn;1451324 wrote: "The 'plebes' will never revolt..." George Orwell, 1984.

I wanted to say we are the 'free-est' nation on earth, in terms of speech, action, but in thinking so I also thought of that quote. There is a relationship. Throw some crumbs, let more electronic gadgets be available, & they'll go away.

The Romans had a phrase for it - Bread and Circuses

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:18 pm

Who Really Invented the Computer?

Not an American.

Who Really Invented the Computer? | TIME.com

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:18 pm

How many pages devoted to the topic I wonder ?

The Greatest threat to world peace....................seems a lot of side stepping going on here.