One thing I have longed believed about Eve, is her power over Adam; she was a master manipulator. Adam was made a head, but Eve was a very strong Neck that could turn the head anyway she wanted. This is a potential in women that has " Survived the curse."
Well what curse?
Well God actually curses women in Genesis 3:16, " Unto the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow you will bear children during their birth, and you're desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over you." This is the origin; the true reason why women throughout history have been in submission to the men.
At first, Eve was controlling Adam, manipulating him; this is evident in her talking to the Serpent in the garden, while Adam stood by and did absolutely nothing. She was in charge, she was the one who dictated terms. She had the courage and daring, and the curse of God proves this again, because he MADE her submissive to Adam, which obviously means she was NOT prior to this curse. And if not for Eves manipulitive powers, all human childbirth would have been absolutely painless.
But Eve changed that. She was a very strong and powerful manipulator, and every woman has that potential; that power within her.
I call it, " The Eve Effect."
The Eve effect.
The Eve effect.
I think if God had not cursed Eve, ( which also means he cursed women, all of her future generate), then women would have no doubt ruled this world. I often wonder just how different that would have been? But God changed the course of female hisrory when he did this. But women still hold the power of Eve within them; and some have most definitely discovered how to tap into it. How to " Use their tools" and add a sharp consciousness to that bag.
And I want to go into this Eve effect and the effect I think it has had on women, and this world.
And I want to go into this Eve effect and the effect I think it has had on women, and this world.
The Eve effect.
The fact that women have been submissive to men all throughout history in just about every culture, with few exceptions, but possible exceptions, is a proof of God. Its right there in Genesis, and right there in history; And;
right there inside of every woman.
right there inside of every woman.
The Eve effect.
This curse of God is what created " The Neanderthal thinking man"; because God gave men rule over women, many men just abused that all throughout history; this is why and how the Taliban was born. This is where that comes from. Men have ruled over women for so long, in many cultures they do not want to give that lordship up. They been on top, and want to stay on top, but the change in this dynamic is proof to me that God has perhaps lifted that curse, or is in the process of systematically lifting it in place by place.
Oh but we have a strong history of this, this curse; this force that keeps women under submission.
What will they do once set free? A fear in many men.
And men have reason to fear!
Oh but we have a strong history of this, this curse; this force that keeps women under submission.
What will they do once set free? A fear in many men.
And men have reason to fear!
The Eve effect.
One unknown reason why so many women are emotional, is because they been cursed all their lives. That would give anyone an attitude. Something has been placed inside of them that just forces them to submit to a man in many kinds of ways. Now, women now who do not do that, is just further evidence that God is lifting the curse, or the womens liberation movement would not exist. It exist because the curse is weakening, meaning God is changing that.
Women are heading towards individual freedom from " Their inate desire towards men." Or Lesbians would not exist. These things are actual proof of the Eve effect being still relevant.
Women are heading towards individual freedom from " Their inate desire towards men." Or Lesbians would not exist. These things are actual proof of the Eve effect being still relevant.
The Eve effect.
I am just wondering.......why ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1454267 wrote: I am just wondering.......why ?
Why God put men over women in his desire for human history, if that is what you are asking? I don't know, but I suspect that he wanted humanity to go the course it did; With men messing up this world at most turns.
If women had ruled, it probally wouldnot have been as messy!
...Just my view and guess...
Why God put men over women in his desire for human history, if that is what you are asking? I don't know, but I suspect that he wanted humanity to go the course it did; With men messing up this world at most turns.
If women had ruled, it probally wouldnot have been as messy!
...Just my view and guess...
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454292 wrote: Why God put men over women in his desire for human history, if that is what you are asking? I don't know, but I suspect that he wanted humanity to go the course it did; With men messing up this world at most turns.
If women had ruled, it probally wouldnot have been as messy!
...Just my view and guess...
No......why the thread.
Are you not just thinking and posting those thoughts here?......................writing it down on paper would be just as affective
If women had ruled, it probally wouldnot have been as messy!
...Just my view and guess...
No......why the thread.
Are you not just thinking and posting those thoughts here?......................writing it down on paper would be just as affective
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
The Eve effect.
Bruv;1454294 wrote: No......why the thread.
Are you not just thinking and posting those thoughts here?......................writing it down on paper would be just as affective
Oh no, I saw a Thread that was talking about men, and it gave me the idea to speak about women.
Why the criticism toward the thread?
Are you not just thinking and posting those thoughts here?......................writing it down on paper would be just as affective
Oh no, I saw a Thread that was talking about men, and it gave me the idea to speak about women.
Why the criticism toward the thread?
The Eve effect.
Eve affected all of her coming generate, no doubt about it. In her womb, was the totality of all future women. So the origin of women came from the Eve experience. She was the first woman " With Consciousness", but not the first woman created on earth, that went back millions of years before her.
Women began life in submission to men, who they had a very powerful inner desire for them, placed inside of them before birth. This lets me know that desires can shape a people and their culture and history; because women certainly did that to human history.
Women began life in submission to men, who they had a very powerful inner desire for them, placed inside of them before birth. This lets me know that desires can shape a people and their culture and history; because women certainly did that to human history.
The Eve effect.
The desires of a woman, a conscious woman, first came then from Eves own demands, her own view of herself, then were changed by God to be man centered. In Genesis 3:2 it was Eve who first spoke to the serpent, so we can know from this, she was the talker and leader. She was the communicator, so satan went after her. Eve noticed that the Tree in the garden was " Good for food, pleasant to the eyes and could make her wise." She was " Shopping." She saw what was there and wanted it for herself and her husband. She was the planner; she was the decider, she was the person to be dealt with. And satan dealt with her.
She ate the fruit and then made Adam eat it. Her influence over him was undeniable, she must have been a stunning powerful, very powerful woman, before the curse!
She ate the fruit and then made Adam eat it. Her influence over him was undeniable, she must have been a stunning powerful, very powerful woman, before the curse!
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The Eve effect.
I find this thread offensive. Especially in the light of what is happening to women all over the world in the name of religion. You disgust me.
The Eve effect.
fuzzywuzzy;1454305 wrote: I find this thread offensive. Especially in the light of what is happening to women all over the world in the name of religion. You disgust me.
That is unfortunate, I am sorry for you're offense, but this is true history. And I think quite interesting.
Eve was no doubt a very beautiful woman, and Adam was no doubt smitten by that. But she was more than just pretty, she was a communicator and a thinker. And when women have their full scope in motion, its hardly anything a man could do. If she just depends on her beauty, she is one sided, but if she taps into her full scope, she can be dominating.
That is unfortunate, I am sorry for you're offense, but this is true history. And I think quite interesting.
Eve was no doubt a very beautiful woman, and Adam was no doubt smitten by that. But she was more than just pretty, she was a communicator and a thinker. And when women have their full scope in motion, its hardly anything a man could do. If she just depends on her beauty, she is one sided, but if she taps into her full scope, she can be dominating.
The Eve effect.
We are affected by our history, simply no doubt about it. The Eve effect can be obviously seen in the bible, as it has been played out in the world. Women have not been submissive because they wanted to be, not because they were forced by men to be, not because of culture or race or geology; it was because of God! Gen. 3:13. And men were cursed by God to work by the sweat of labor, because of the woman, 3:17. Adam " Listened to her voice", other words he obeyed her. Eve was in charge.
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454308 wrote: We are affected by our history, simply no doubt about it. The Eve effect can be obviously seen in the bible, as it has been played out in the world. Women have not been submissive because they wanted to be, not because they were forced by men to be, not because of culture or race or geology; it was because of God! Gen. 3:13. And men were cursed by God to work by the sweat of labor, because of the woman, 3:17. Adam " Listened to her voice", other words he obeyed her. Eve was in charge.
And this is what the Taliban fears, freeing women will loose their control over them, and the woman would be free. Then what? The woman would naturally revert back to the garden of Eden, where she was the dominating factor. And many men fear that. They inwardly fear the Eve effect, they want women to remain submissive.
And this is what the Taliban fears, freeing women will loose their control over them, and the woman would be free. Then what? The woman would naturally revert back to the garden of Eden, where she was the dominating factor. And many men fear that. They inwardly fear the Eve effect, they want women to remain submissive.
The Eve effect.
This author thinks that female submission is a myth, not really believing or knowing that it actually came from God, NOT religion. Religion just adopted it and perverted it;
Men and Submissive Women
Men and Submissive Women
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The Eve effect.
You are full of it!!!!!
The Eve effect.
fuzzywuzzy;1454316 wrote: You are full of it!!!!!
Well thank you.
Eve was a great communicator; listen to this authors take on female submission and communication, the author is female;
Why Women become Submissive in Discussions with Males: DAY 132Anna's Blog
Well thank you.
Eve was a great communicator; listen to this authors take on female submission and communication, the author is female;
Why Women become Submissive in Discussions with Males: DAY 132Anna's Blog
The Eve effect.
So todays woman is not pulling away from the real nature of Eve, they are gravitating towards it. Pulling away from the curse. And men are pulling away from God's curse on them, no longer sweating in their labor, sitting behind desks and making millions. Just not all men have escaped, just as not all women escaped.
Many of us are still bound.
And many of us want the other to stay bound.
Many of us are still bound.
And many of us want the other to stay bound.
The Eve effect.
Eve, unlike the previous Neanderthal and Cromagnon women, was actually created by materials taken from Adam. Gen.2:21-25. God actually performed surgery on Adam, " Opening his chest cavity and removing one of his ribs, from which he fashioned Eve. Which is why females are called " Woman", or taken from the " Womb of Man."
And its how marriage began. AND, its why a bond between a man and woman can be so tight!
And its how marriage began. AND, its why a bond between a man and woman can be so tight!
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454324 wrote: Eve, unlike the previous Neanderthal and Cromagnon women, was actually created by materials taken from Adam. Gen.2:21-25. God actually performed surgery on Adam, " Opening his chest cavity and removing one of his ribs, from which he fashioned Eve. Which is why females are called " Woman", or taken from the " Womb of Man."
And its how marriage began. AND, its why a bond between a man and woman can be so tight!
I know many of you do not believe in the bible, but its WHY I do! This IS real history, its how and why! And its a perfect explination that explains human nature, human attitudes, human habits and human beliefs. These events EXPLAIN why we are like we are!
And its how marriage began. AND, its why a bond between a man and woman can be so tight!
I know many of you do not believe in the bible, but its WHY I do! This IS real history, its how and why! And its a perfect explination that explains human nature, human attitudes, human habits and human beliefs. These events EXPLAIN why we are like we are!
The Eve effect.
There are many differing views of Eve, ranging from a myth, to a goddess. And all kinds of inbetweens. Here are some of those:
Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Eve effect.
Heres another interesting take on Eve, I like the way this author focuses in on her not having a female role model to learn from. No mother to help her understand what it is to be a wife and mother. No other females to bond with and relate to; no female examples to follow;
Eve: First Woman, Wife, and Mother - Women of the Bible
Just more reasons why I know Eve was a very powerful woman, God had to curse her, purposely limit her, in order to set the course of human history to go as he wanted it to flow. He held Eve back, in order for human history to go forward.
Eve: First Woman, Wife, and Mother - Women of the Bible
Just more reasons why I know Eve was a very powerful woman, God had to curse her, purposely limit her, in order to set the course of human history to go as he wanted it to flow. He held Eve back, in order for human history to go forward.
The Eve effect.
Eves talent had to be smothered, her aggressiveness had to be dented, her overpowering communication skills had to be muted, WHY? Because God wanted humanity to be weak, not strong. If he had let Eve rule, it would have changed the course of history, and the Eve effect within women, which has for a long time been muted and lays dormant, would be unleashed and women would rock this world.
And men would not know how to handle it!
They would rip through this world like tornados.
And men would not know how to handle it!
They would rip through this world like tornados.
The Eve effect.
Really? You had to stoop to misogynist claptrap?
The Eve effect.
Wandrin;1454375 wrote: Really? You had to stoop to misogynist claptrap?
You view it as that, I view it as a biblical story that I am telling.
In Gen. 3:17, " And he said to Adam, because you have obeyed the voice of your wife, and ate from the tree, cursed is the ground and in sorrow you shall eat from it all the days of you're life." Here we see again Eve was in charge at first, she told Adam what to do. She was dictating terms. And Adam did what she told him to do. God curses Eve, then Curses Adam, and then curses the ground itself, which is WHY we have weeds, thorns, droughts, dry lands, anywhere the earth is rotten and unproductive is a result of this curse.
This is WHY women have been submissive all through out history, its WHY men have worked bad lands and sweated all their days working the land, this is WHY humans have experienced sorrow in being farmers, its WHY women have been subjugated throughout all of history.
And its evidence that the bible is right on exact as to why these things occurred.
You view it as that, I view it as a biblical story that I am telling.
In Gen. 3:17, " And he said to Adam, because you have obeyed the voice of your wife, and ate from the tree, cursed is the ground and in sorrow you shall eat from it all the days of you're life." Here we see again Eve was in charge at first, she told Adam what to do. She was dictating terms. And Adam did what she told him to do. God curses Eve, then Curses Adam, and then curses the ground itself, which is WHY we have weeds, thorns, droughts, dry lands, anywhere the earth is rotten and unproductive is a result of this curse.
This is WHY women have been submissive all through out history, its WHY men have worked bad lands and sweated all their days working the land, this is WHY humans have experienced sorrow in being farmers, its WHY women have been subjugated throughout all of history.
And its evidence that the bible is right on exact as to why these things occurred.
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You don't know much about history do you Mickiel. The most powerful people in the history of the planet were women. I believe women are only submissive in your own little world. Not once .......not even an inkling of it in the bible does it say that women should be submissive to men. Not once . You read it that way because that's how mysogonists see the world. You could bring up all the passages in the bible you want but it's only your take on those scriptures and nothing to do with reality.
And you know how I know this? You define your reasoning by calling it a curse, Eve caused her own curse. Is that what you say to the women in your life as you control them? As you hit them or punish them in any other way? like emotionally or psychologically or financially?
Is that what you tell your daughters? That their 'lot' in life is due to god wanting it that way? to protect them from themselves?
You are not a nice person and I believe you are seriously unwell.
oh and it's subjection (to your church) not submission to men..
And you know how I know this? You define your reasoning by calling it a curse, Eve caused her own curse. Is that what you say to the women in your life as you control them? As you hit them or punish them in any other way? like emotionally or psychologically or financially?
Is that what you tell your daughters? That their 'lot' in life is due to god wanting it that way? to protect them from themselves?
You are not a nice person and I believe you are seriously unwell.
oh and it's subjection (to your church) not submission to men..
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454598 wrote: You view it as that, I view it as a biblical story that I am telling.
In Gen. 3:17, " And he said to Adam, because you have obeyed the voice of your wife, and ate from the tree, cursed is the ground and in sorrow you shall eat from it all the days of you're life." Here we see again Eve was in charge at first, she told Adam what to do. She was dictating terms. And Adam did what she told him to do. God curses Eve, then Curses Adam, and then curses the ground itself, which is WHY we have weeds, thorns, droughts, dry lands, anywhere the earth is rotten and unproductive is a result of this curse.
This is WHY women have been submissive all through out history, its WHY men have worked bad lands and sweated all their days working the land, this is WHY humans have experienced sorrow in being farmers, its WHY women have been subjugated throughout all of history.
And its evidence that the bible is right on exact as to why these things occurred.
Funny. The bastard who used to abuse my daughter used that very same passage to justify the way he treated my her.
I call BS.
Throughout the history of Mankind, men have subjugated women, because they could get away with it. Long before the Bible came along. It is not about the Bible. Hindus and Buddhists, Jews and Muslims, and many other such groups of men have done the same thing. Christians of all ilk find that passage convenient to their mistreatment of women. Baptists, Catholics, Mormons and Methodists have all been the same.
Any true Christian man should discard such notions and learn to treat women with the dignity and respect they wish to receive themselves.
No one who claims to Follow Jesus should treat women in such a fashion.
In Gen. 3:17, " And he said to Adam, because you have obeyed the voice of your wife, and ate from the tree, cursed is the ground and in sorrow you shall eat from it all the days of you're life." Here we see again Eve was in charge at first, she told Adam what to do. She was dictating terms. And Adam did what she told him to do. God curses Eve, then Curses Adam, and then curses the ground itself, which is WHY we have weeds, thorns, droughts, dry lands, anywhere the earth is rotten and unproductive is a result of this curse.
This is WHY women have been submissive all through out history, its WHY men have worked bad lands and sweated all their days working the land, this is WHY humans have experienced sorrow in being farmers, its WHY women have been subjugated throughout all of history.
And its evidence that the bible is right on exact as to why these things occurred.
Funny. The bastard who used to abuse my daughter used that very same passage to justify the way he treated my her.
I call BS.
Throughout the history of Mankind, men have subjugated women, because they could get away with it. Long before the Bible came along. It is not about the Bible. Hindus and Buddhists, Jews and Muslims, and many other such groups of men have done the same thing. Christians of all ilk find that passage convenient to their mistreatment of women. Baptists, Catholics, Mormons and Methodists have all been the same.
Any true Christian man should discard such notions and learn to treat women with the dignity and respect they wish to receive themselves.
No one who claims to Follow Jesus should treat women in such a fashion.
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Mickiel;1454326 wrote: I know many of you do not believe in the bible, but its WHY I do! This IS real history, its how and why! And its a perfect explination that explains human nature, human attitudes, human habits and human beliefs. These events EXPLAIN why we are like we are!
Back in bowl Mickiel. Back in bowl!!!!
Back in bowl Mickiel. Back in bowl!!!!
The Eve effect.
This character, Mikiel, is just out to cause friction. He believes that the way he puts things in his posts,is the way to encourage sensible debate. I find that discussion about religion and politics are two subjects which should be avoided IMO.
If you check back in history, the majority of wars have been over a difference of opinion concerning religion and the way people worship their god.
From a very young age, I was taught by my parents to always question things, so I do.
For instance - what evidence is there that can back up and confirm what happened in the so-called 'Garden of Eden' ? To blindly believe every word that is written in the bible is to have a closed mind IMO, and to demonstrate a large amount of gullibility ! This blind belief can very easily be the cause of terrible situations like violence in the home, or even wars.
When reading the bible, particularly the Old Testament, people should bear in mind that most of what is written was handed down by word of mouth, and we all know how such methods of communication can be distorted by the time it comes to writing about it ! Chinese whispers !
So Mikiel I'm sorry that you are so convinced that what you read in Genesis is the total truth. Did you not sit down and ask yourself how the writer of such incidents knew what had happened ? How does anybody know what another person is thinking ? It's purely guesswork, and because of that - is probably incorrect !
Mikiel, as others on this thread have pointed out, you show all the signs of being a misogynist, and I suspect that one of the reasons for that is pure jealousy of the female gender. Perhaps you should find a site that can accomodate your extreme views of such an anti-social attitude towards women. It does look as if most of the members here find you slightly intolerable.
If you check back in history, the majority of wars have been over a difference of opinion concerning religion and the way people worship their god.
From a very young age, I was taught by my parents to always question things, so I do.
For instance - what evidence is there that can back up and confirm what happened in the so-called 'Garden of Eden' ? To blindly believe every word that is written in the bible is to have a closed mind IMO, and to demonstrate a large amount of gullibility ! This blind belief can very easily be the cause of terrible situations like violence in the home, or even wars.
When reading the bible, particularly the Old Testament, people should bear in mind that most of what is written was handed down by word of mouth, and we all know how such methods of communication can be distorted by the time it comes to writing about it ! Chinese whispers !
So Mikiel I'm sorry that you are so convinced that what you read in Genesis is the total truth. Did you not sit down and ask yourself how the writer of such incidents knew what had happened ? How does anybody know what another person is thinking ? It's purely guesswork, and because of that - is probably incorrect !
Mikiel, as others on this thread have pointed out, you show all the signs of being a misogynist, and I suspect that one of the reasons for that is pure jealousy of the female gender. Perhaps you should find a site that can accomodate your extreme views of such an anti-social attitude towards women. It does look as if most of the members here find you slightly intolerable.
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The Eve effect.
What's the difference between me taking the piss out of men and this thread ?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Sellotape;1454644 wrote: What's the difference between me taking the piss out of men and this thread ?
To start with, A sense of humor?
To start with, A sense of humor?
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The Eve effect.
G#Gill;1454642 wrote: This character, Mikiel, is just out to cause friction. He believes that the way he puts things in his posts,is the way to encourage sensible debate. I find that discussion about religion and politics are two subjects which should be avoided IMO.
If you check back in history, the majority of wars have been over a difference of opinion concerning religion and the way people worship their god.
From a very young age, I was taught by my parents to always question things, so I do.
For instance - what evidence is there that can back up and confirm what happened in the so-called 'Garden of Eden' ? To blindly believe every word that is written in the bible is to have a closed mind IMO, and to demonstrate a large amount of gullibility ! This blind belief can very easily be the cause of terrible situations like violence in the home, or even wars.
When reading the bible, particularly the Old Testament, people should bear in mind that most of what is written was handed down by word of mouth, and we all know how such methods of communication can be distorted by the time it comes to writing about it ! Chinese whispers !
So Mikiel I'm sorry that you are so convinced that what you read in Genesis is the total truth. Did you not sit down and ask yourself how the writer of such incidents knew what had happened ? How does anybody know what another person is thinking ? It's purely guesswork, and because of that - is probably incorrect !
Mikiel, as others on this thread have pointed out, you show all the signs of being a misogynist, and I suspect that one of the reasons for that is pure jealousy of the female gender. Perhaps you should find a site that can accomodate your extreme views of such an anti-social attitude towards women. It does look as if most of the members here find you slightly intolerable.
My personal view of women is that they are equal to us, this thread is not about my view of women, its about a biblical historical view of Eve and her effect on women. This thread is not about Mickiels effect on women. I have had many women in my life time, and I have never treated any of them in any kind of subjective manner; Never! I did not even do that when I was a teen. But the gainsayers here NEED fodder to rail at me on; they just do, and they think this thread is their opportunity; which is in serious error, and I see through the error; but THEY need to do this, because they think people cannot read and think for themselves.
The history of subjugating women did NOT preceed the bible, Genesis describes the beginning of all things, and the subjugation of Eve and her female offspring was began by God, NOT by men or culture.
People who do not believe that, simply don't believe in God or the bible anyway.
If you check back in history, the majority of wars have been over a difference of opinion concerning religion and the way people worship their god.
From a very young age, I was taught by my parents to always question things, so I do.
For instance - what evidence is there that can back up and confirm what happened in the so-called 'Garden of Eden' ? To blindly believe every word that is written in the bible is to have a closed mind IMO, and to demonstrate a large amount of gullibility ! This blind belief can very easily be the cause of terrible situations like violence in the home, or even wars.
When reading the bible, particularly the Old Testament, people should bear in mind that most of what is written was handed down by word of mouth, and we all know how such methods of communication can be distorted by the time it comes to writing about it ! Chinese whispers !
So Mikiel I'm sorry that you are so convinced that what you read in Genesis is the total truth. Did you not sit down and ask yourself how the writer of such incidents knew what had happened ? How does anybody know what another person is thinking ? It's purely guesswork, and because of that - is probably incorrect !
Mikiel, as others on this thread have pointed out, you show all the signs of being a misogynist, and I suspect that one of the reasons for that is pure jealousy of the female gender. Perhaps you should find a site that can accomodate your extreme views of such an anti-social attitude towards women. It does look as if most of the members here find you slightly intolerable.
My personal view of women is that they are equal to us, this thread is not about my view of women, its about a biblical historical view of Eve and her effect on women. This thread is not about Mickiels effect on women. I have had many women in my life time, and I have never treated any of them in any kind of subjective manner; Never! I did not even do that when I was a teen. But the gainsayers here NEED fodder to rail at me on; they just do, and they think this thread is their opportunity; which is in serious error, and I see through the error; but THEY need to do this, because they think people cannot read and think for themselves.
The history of subjugating women did NOT preceed the bible, Genesis describes the beginning of all things, and the subjugation of Eve and her female offspring was began by God, NOT by men or culture.
People who do not believe that, simply don't believe in God or the bible anyway.
The Eve effect.
Now, WHY did God subjugate women to men in history? I think the answer is clear, he did NOT want women to rule this world, and IF he did not curse Eve, they would have. Its as biblical and simple as that. Women would have become too powerful and too influencial if God had not " Muted them." This is my view and understanding of this. The reason women have been oppressed, is to keep them from overpowering men, Like Eve first did Adam.
How Eve first handled Adam, is a reflection of what this earth would have been like if God did not alter that course. And I think women would have done a FAR better job than men have in ruling and determining the history and path of humanity; BUT, God did NOT want that way to be established.
He wanted humanity to be weak and confused.
And that is exactly what has occured!
Now some of you may call this view masoginist or whatever; its just a bit too deep for you to comprehend. There are powers FAR greater than us that determined this whole thing; we did not determine it.
How Eve first handled Adam, is a reflection of what this earth would have been like if God did not alter that course. And I think women would have done a FAR better job than men have in ruling and determining the history and path of humanity; BUT, God did NOT want that way to be established.
He wanted humanity to be weak and confused.
And that is exactly what has occured!
Now some of you may call this view masoginist or whatever; its just a bit too deep for you to comprehend. There are powers FAR greater than us that determined this whole thing; we did not determine it.
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454648 wrote: Now, WHY did God subjugate women to men in history? I think the answer is clear, he did NOT want women to rule this world, and IF he did not curse Eve, they would have. Its as biblical and simple as that. Women would have become too powerful and too influencial if God had not " Muted them." This is my view and understanding of this. The reason women have been oppressed, is to keep them from overpowering men, Like Eve first did Adam.
How Eve first handled Adam, is a reflection of what this earth would have been like if God did not alter that course. And I think women would have done a FAR better job than men have in ruling and determining the history and path of humanity; BUT, God did NOT want that way to be established.
He wanted humanity to be weak and confused.
And that is exactly what has occured!
Now some of you may call this view masoginist or whatever; its just a bit too deep for you to comprehend. There are powers FAR greater than us that determined this whole thing; we did not determine it.
God did NOT subjugate women. Men did that. And then, men wrote the texts to justify their behavior.
The Bible is not a message from God, but rather a record of men and their dealings with God.
How Eve first handled Adam, is a reflection of what this earth would have been like if God did not alter that course. And I think women would have done a FAR better job than men have in ruling and determining the history and path of humanity; BUT, God did NOT want that way to be established.
He wanted humanity to be weak and confused.
And that is exactly what has occured!
Now some of you may call this view masoginist or whatever; its just a bit too deep for you to comprehend. There are powers FAR greater than us that determined this whole thing; we did not determine it.
God did NOT subjugate women. Men did that. And then, men wrote the texts to justify their behavior.
The Bible is not a message from God, but rather a record of men and their dealings with God.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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The Eve effect.
LarsMac;1454654 wrote: God did NOT subjugate women. Men did that. And then, men wrote the texts to justify their behavior.
The Bible is not a message from God, but rather a record of men and their dealings with God. True.... look at the way Mary Magdalene was branded by the church
The Bible is not a message from God, but rather a record of men and their dealings with God. True.... look at the way Mary Magdalene was branded by the church
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
The Eve effect.
LarsMac;1454654 wrote: God did NOT subjugate women. Men did that. And then, men wrote the texts to justify their behavior.
The Bible is not a message from God, but rather a record of men and their dealings with God.
According to the bible, in Genesis 3:16, God did it; according to you men did it. According to 1 Corinth. 11:3, women being subjugated was a biblical thing, not something men did on their own. It was a biblical thing, as Eph. 5 :22 clearly reveals;, " Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, even as to the Lord. This is something God started, and he did it because he wanted men to confuse this world, because women would not have done that. This world is confused because men have led it into confusion.
The Bible is not a message from God, but rather a record of men and their dealings with God.
According to the bible, in Genesis 3:16, God did it; according to you men did it. According to 1 Corinth. 11:3, women being subjugated was a biblical thing, not something men did on their own. It was a biblical thing, as Eph. 5 :22 clearly reveals;, " Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, even as to the Lord. This is something God started, and he did it because he wanted men to confuse this world, because women would not have done that. This world is confused because men have led it into confusion.
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454715 wrote: According to the bible, in Genesis 3:16, God did it; according to you men did it. According to 1 Corinth. 11:3, women being subjugated was a biblical thing, not something men did on their own. It was a biblical thing, as Eph. 5 :22 clearly reveals;, " Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, even as to the Lord. This is something God started, and he did it because he wanted men to confuse this world, because women would not have done that. This world is confused because men have led it into confusion.
And God wanted it confused, because he was " Creating the NEED to sent his Son here."
And God wanted it confused, because he was " Creating the NEED to sent his Son here."
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454715 wrote: According to the bible, in Genesis 3:16, God did it; according to you men did it. According to 1 Corinth. 11:3, women being subjugated was a biblical thing, not something men did on their own. It was a biblical thing, as Eph. 5 :22 clearly reveals;, " Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, even as to the Lord. This is something God started, and he did it because he wanted men to confuse this world, because women would not have done that. This world is confused because men have led it into confusion.
Sorry, but "According to the Bible" has been used to justify too much evil in the name of God. I reject that line of reasoning, completely.
Sorry, but "According to the Bible" has been used to justify too much evil in the name of God. I reject that line of reasoning, completely.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
The Eve effect.
LarsMac;1454718 wrote: Sorry, but "According to the Bible" has been used to justify too much evil in the name of God. I reject that line of reasoning, completely.
I am not trying to get you to " Accept anything", I am telling the biblical story of Eve and relating that to be the cause of submissiveness in Females. In my view, it fits history perfectly. Eve confronts satan and gets bambozalled. God wanted that to happen. Then God curses her and part of the curse is to always " Desire her husband", or be submissive to him. Then God places men as the head of the nuclear family. And this " Way of Life", is exactly how humans have lived through out ALL of recorded history.
That way of life was started by God, not humans. Why would Eve subject herself to Adam, when she was already in charge? This way of life started with them. Its academic.
I am not trying to get you to " Accept anything", I am telling the biblical story of Eve and relating that to be the cause of submissiveness in Females. In my view, it fits history perfectly. Eve confronts satan and gets bambozalled. God wanted that to happen. Then God curses her and part of the curse is to always " Desire her husband", or be submissive to him. Then God places men as the head of the nuclear family. And this " Way of Life", is exactly how humans have lived through out ALL of recorded history.
That way of life was started by God, not humans. Why would Eve subject herself to Adam, when she was already in charge? This way of life started with them. Its academic.
The Eve effect.
LarsMac;1454718 wrote: Sorry, but "According to the Bible" has been used to justify too much evil in the name of God. I reject that line of reasoning, completely.
And all that evil you are speaking of, God WANTED it to occur.
That is why it did!
And all that evil you are speaking of, God WANTED it to occur.
That is why it did!
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454716 wrote: And God wanted it confused, because he was " Creating the NEED to sent his Son here."
Run that past me again !!!!!!
"God created the need to send his son here?"
So that's it.........we are controlled from heaven like robots, our life is pre-determined, god decides everything................Im off now to shoot myself so I can take control of my destiny.
Run that past me again !!!!!!
"God created the need to send his son here?"
So that's it.........we are controlled from heaven like robots, our life is pre-determined, god decides everything................Im off now to shoot myself so I can take control of my destiny.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
The Eve effect.
Sorry Mickiel.......I promised myself I would stay out of this thread.
That must have been an unseen hand involved.
That must have been an unseen hand involved.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454724 wrote: And all that evil you are speaking of, God WANTED it to occur.
That is why it did!
Yet another seemingly ridiculous notion, IMHO. All of the evil on earth was planned by God to make us wish for him to come rescue us from that evil?
That is why it did!
Yet another seemingly ridiculous notion, IMHO. All of the evil on earth was planned by God to make us wish for him to come rescue us from that evil?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
The Eve effect.
Bruv;1454726 wrote: Run that past me again !!!!!!
"God created the need to send his son here?"
So that's it.........we are controlled from heaven like robots, our life is pre-determined, god decides everything................Im off now to shoot myself so I can take control of my destiny.
Yes, in my understanding, its fairly similar to being controlled like robots, except we have " Limited will." We got a little room to maneuver; its like being in a fenched in back yard and being told by your parents that you can go anywhere within the yard and play, but you cannot go outside of the yard. Humanity is fenched in, in this vast universe, and we can only go so far, and no further.
We can only do so much in our lives, and cannot do more than God has limited us too.
Our reality is MOST definitely a controlled environment and existence.
"God created the need to send his son here?"
So that's it.........we are controlled from heaven like robots, our life is pre-determined, god decides everything................Im off now to shoot myself so I can take control of my destiny.
Yes, in my understanding, its fairly similar to being controlled like robots, except we have " Limited will." We got a little room to maneuver; its like being in a fenched in back yard and being told by your parents that you can go anywhere within the yard and play, but you cannot go outside of the yard. Humanity is fenched in, in this vast universe, and we can only go so far, and no further.
We can only do so much in our lives, and cannot do more than God has limited us too.
Our reality is MOST definitely a controlled environment and existence.
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454257 wrote: One thing I have longed believed about Eve, is her power over Adam; she was a master manipulator. Adam was made a head, but Eve was a very strong Neck that could turn the head anyway she wanted. This is a potential in women that has " Survived the curse."
Well what curse?
Well God actually curses women in Genesis 3:16, " Unto the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow you will bear children during their birth, and you're desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over you." This is the origin; the true reason why women throughout history have been in submission to the men.
At first, Eve was controlling Adam, manipulating him; this is evident in her talking to the Serpent in the garden, while Adam stood by and did absolutely nothing. She was in charge, she was the one who dictated terms. She had the courage and daring, and the curse of God proves this again, because he MADE her submissive to Adam, which obviously means she was NOT prior to this curse. And if not for Eves manipulitive powers, all human childbirth would have been absolutely painless.
But Eve changed that. She was a very strong and powerful manipulator, and every woman has that potential; that power within her.
I call it, " The Eve Effect."
LOL, you see :-
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
as evidence that Eve was a manipulator?
I see it as evidence that Adam was a weak man whose only thought was to find someone else to blame - the only person round was Eve and we've been blaming women ever since.
I call it "The Adam Effect".
Well what curse?
Well God actually curses women in Genesis 3:16, " Unto the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow you will bear children during their birth, and you're desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over you." This is the origin; the true reason why women throughout history have been in submission to the men.
At first, Eve was controlling Adam, manipulating him; this is evident in her talking to the Serpent in the garden, while Adam stood by and did absolutely nothing. She was in charge, she was the one who dictated terms. She had the courage and daring, and the curse of God proves this again, because he MADE her submissive to Adam, which obviously means she was NOT prior to this curse. And if not for Eves manipulitive powers, all human childbirth would have been absolutely painless.
But Eve changed that. She was a very strong and powerful manipulator, and every woman has that potential; that power within her.
I call it, " The Eve Effect."
LOL, you see :-
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
as evidence that Eve was a manipulator?
I see it as evidence that Adam was a weak man whose only thought was to find someone else to blame - the only person round was Eve and we've been blaming women ever since.
I call it "The Adam Effect".
The Eve effect.
LarsMac;1454728 wrote: Yet another seemingly ridiculous notion, IMHO. All of the evil on earth was planned by God to make us wish for him to come rescue us from that evil?
That's close to the truth; except he is not trying to " Make us wish for anything, he could care less what we wish for;" God is going to get his way reguardless of how we feel. The evil was allowed by God to reinforce the " Womb of suffering " that he wanted humanity to be formulated in. Rom. 11:32. Its all in the bible, this most unusual concept of God's.
And I have shown it here a thousand times; and its been over looked every time; as it will be now.
That's close to the truth; except he is not trying to " Make us wish for anything, he could care less what we wish for;" God is going to get his way reguardless of how we feel. The evil was allowed by God to reinforce the " Womb of suffering " that he wanted humanity to be formulated in. Rom. 11:32. Its all in the bible, this most unusual concept of God's.
And I have shown it here a thousand times; and its been over looked every time; as it will be now.
The Eve effect.
Mickiel;1454731 wrote: Yes, in my understanding, its fairly similar to being controlled like robots, except we have " Limited will." .
OK thats it I have decided you ARE the nutter on the Bus, the one that we all sit at the back to avoid..........some of us are getting off this Bus ......and it's not even my stop.
OK thats it I have decided you ARE the nutter on the Bus, the one that we all sit at the back to avoid..........some of us are getting off this Bus ......and it's not even my stop.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
The Eve effect.
Bryn Mawr;1454733 wrote: LOL, you see :-
as evidence that Eve was a manipulator?
I see it as evidence that Adam was a weak man whose only thought was to find someone else to blame - the only person round was Eve and we've been blaming women ever since.
I call it "The Adam Effect".
I think Adam was " Weaker than Eve", and I most definitely view Eve as a manipulator. She manipulated Adam for sure, she " Made" him eat. Forced him to do it. Adam was not stupid, because the bible reveals that he was not deceived by satan, he was just smitten with his wife. He was probally crazy about Eve, and Eve knew it.
Once a women KNOWS you have a serious crush on her, that woman has you, and IF she wants to manipulate you, it will be very easy for her to do.
as evidence that Eve was a manipulator?
I see it as evidence that Adam was a weak man whose only thought was to find someone else to blame - the only person round was Eve and we've been blaming women ever since.
I call it "The Adam Effect".
I think Adam was " Weaker than Eve", and I most definitely view Eve as a manipulator. She manipulated Adam for sure, she " Made" him eat. Forced him to do it. Adam was not stupid, because the bible reveals that he was not deceived by satan, he was just smitten with his wife. He was probally crazy about Eve, and Eve knew it.
Once a women KNOWS you have a serious crush on her, that woman has you, and IF she wants to manipulate you, it will be very easy for her to do.