Preserving History or just Macabre ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 14, 2014 3:17 pm

Behind closed doors at the 9/11 museum: Just some of the 10,000 artifacts that will tell story of tragedy when memorial opens to relatives of the victims tomorrow | Mail Online

I'm not sure. There's something about this that just doesn't sit well with me.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 15, 2014 6:40 am

What doesn't sit well with me is the admission cost--$24.00. We had been told it would be free & it could be if the Feds would kick in. It's not macabre to the area, oscar, as you can't find anyone here who doesn't know a victim, survivor, or member of family. Everyone knows someone who has suffered or lost.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu May 15, 2014 8:36 am

have to put a version of history into the minds of the people some how

Post by **jones jones** » Thu May 15, 2014 8:47 am

Only maybe the Flat Earth Society believe that 9/11 didn't happen or that the US Government/CIA were responsible for it.

If like me you have no doubt about what happened, the facts speak for themselves.

Of the 2,977 people killed, 441 were emergency workers in New York City who responded to the World Trade Center. This included:

341 firefighters and 2 paramedics from the New York City Fire Department.

37 police officers from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department.

23 police officers from the New York City Police Department and 8 emergency medical technicians and paramedics from private emergency medical services.

Amongst other things, the Museum rightly honours the memory of these brave men and women.

If nothing else, spare a thought for their families.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:24 am

jones jones;1454154 wrote:

If nothing else, spare a thought for their families.

Who says I haven't ?

There were British and all nationalities who lost their lives that day. Or Is America claiming exclusitivity ?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:25 am

ummmmm No. America is owed the truth.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:27 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454163 wrote: ummmmm No. America is owed the truth. Ahhhh here comes the conspiricy

Post by **jones jones** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:29 am

Oscar Mate;1454162 wrote: Who says I haven't ?

There were British and all nationalities who lost their lives that day. Or Is America claiming exclusitivity ?

I have no doubt you have ... its just that your thread seemed to me to indicate otherwise. Okay, maybe I misread ... "macabre."

Sorry.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:32 am

jones jones;1454165 wrote: I have no doubt you have ... its just that your thread seemed to me to indicate otherwise. Okay, maybe I misread ... "macabre."

Sorry.

I am all In favour of 9/11 being Immortalised but I found the slipper macabre. I understand the sentiment behind It. ie The loss of life but I found that crass. What next ? The blood soaked shirt of a dead Australian from the Bali bombings? A shoe from a dead passenger on the London Tube bombings. ?

Post by **jones jones** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:37 am

Oscar Mate;1454169 wrote: I am all In favour of 9/11 being Immortalised but I found the slipper macabre. I understand the sentiment behind It. ie The loss of life but I found that crass. What next ? The blood soaked shirt of a dead Australian from the Bali bombings? A shoe from a dead passenger on the London Tube bombings. ?

Would that be so out of place? Would it be wrong to show, especially the young people that bombs maim & kill?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:40 am

jones jones;1454171 wrote: Would that be so out of place? Would it be wrong to show, especially the young people that bombs maim & kill? Most young people have no desire to bomb and maim and kill.

Post by **jones jones** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:18 am

Perhaps in the UK. Let me rephrase that. Perhaps those who are not Muslim extremists in the UK. But across the globe in Muslim countries, the young people think? differently I believe. Infidels are fair game.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:41 am

jones jones;1454176 wrote: Perhaps in the UK. Let me rephrase that. Perhaps those who are not Muslim extremists in the UK. But across the globe in Muslim countries, the young people think? differently I believe. Infidels are fair game.

I have no idea of the figures, but, I would wager the death toll ,Muslim (militants and moderates) and Infidels is vastly weighted toward the Muslims.......................and one wonders why militants are being created daily.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:44 am

No denying it, we would make such a memorial with greater subtlety.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:44 am

jones jones;1454176 wrote: Perhaps in the UK. Let me rephrase that. Perhaps those who are not Muslim extremists in the UK. But across the globe in Muslim countries, the young people think? differently I believe. Infidels are fair game.

I see your point but seriously, do you think any child born Into the Jihad Is going to give a toss about seeing a battered fire engine or a victim's slipper In America?

Hatred Is Indoctrinated, a slipper or fire truck Is like attempting to stop a charging Rhino with a baked bean.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu May 15, 2014 1:21 pm

Oscar Mate;1454169 wrote: I am all In favour of 9/11 being Immortalised but I found the slipper macabre. I understand the sentiment behind It. ie The loss of life but I found that crass.

What's crass is the murder of all those people.

Just thinking about 9-11 just pisses me off all over again.

It was an ugly Gawd awful attack against innocent people, and their nation. Not enough can be displayed to show just who the victims were.

regular people

Neighbors, friends , family or ourselves.

Displays should contain the personal items of the murdered so to remind us they were real people, not pictures or stats.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 15, 2014 1:35 pm

tude dog;1454193 wrote: What's crass is the murder of all those people.

Just thinking about 9-11 just pisses me off all over again.

It was an ugly Gawd awful attack against innocent people, and their nation. Not enough can be displayed to show just who the victims were.

regular people

Neighbors, friends , family or ourselves.

Displays should contain the personal items of the murdered so to remind us they were real people, not pictures or stats.

See, here you go agreeing with me again!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 15, 2014 2:07 pm

Oscar Mate;1454181 wrote: Hatred is indoctrinated

And hatred affects people's reasoning.....................where ever you are born

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 15, 2014 2:28 pm

tude dog;1454193 wrote: What's crass is the murder of all those people.

Just thinking about 9-11 just pisses me off all over again.

It was an ugly Gawd awful attack against innocent people, and their nation. Not enough can be displayed to show just who the victims were.

regular people

Neighbors, friends , family or ourselves.

Displays should contain the personal items of the murdered so to remind us they were real people, not pictures or stats.

What about the other nationalities who died that were not Neighbours, friends, family or yourselves ? Is It just about America ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 15, 2014 2:32 pm

Oscar Mate;1454201 wrote: What about the other nationalities who died that were not Neighbours, friends, family or yourselves ? Is It just about America ?

They were also our neighbors, our friends, our family, ourselves.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu May 15, 2014 3:19 pm

Oscar Mate;1454201 wrote: What about the other nationalities who died that were not Neighbours, friends, family or yourselves ? Is It just about America ?

I take it personal that the attack was against America. I won't apologize that my first thoughts go to my countrymen.

All of us are still under the threat of such horrific slaughter.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 15, 2014 4:56 pm

tude dog;1454206 wrote: I take it personal that the attack was against America. I won't apologize that my first thoughts go to my countrymen.

All of us are still under the threat of such horrific slaughter.

The U.S. does our fair share of slaughter too TD. Unlike you, & I & loved ones live right here in Bomb Central, I don't feel under threat. We keep our eyes & ears open, constantly reminded to do so. & the police have done a fine job of anti-terrorism. Funny how the places least likely to be under attack, like where you live, are the places that generate the most fear. I'd say that's rather interesting. Also, unless we are under attack, many people in places like yours don't care for NYC (or Boston) very much, bastions of liberalism that we are & continue to be. Yep, I'd say that's rather interesting.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu May 15, 2014 5:58 pm

AnneBoleyn;1454208 wrote: The U.S. does our fair share of slaughter too TD.

Yea, OK :-3

AnneBoleyn;1454208 wrote: Unlike you, & I & loved ones live right here in Bomb Central, I don't feel under threat. We keep our eyes & ears open, constantly reminded to do so. & the police have done a fine job of anti-terrorism.

After the second attack on the WTC I am glad somebody is taking threats seriously.

AnneBoleyn;1454208 wrote: Funny how the places least likely to be under attack, like where you live, are the places that generate the most fear. I'd say that's rather interesting.

I find that claim interesting. Whatever it mean.

AnneBoleyn;1454208 wrote: Also, unless we are under attack, many people in places like yours don't care for NYC (or Boston) very much, bastions of liberalism that we are & continue to be. Yep, I'd say that's rather interesting.

That doesn't mean that an attack against ya all is any less a reason for me to me be outraged and taking personal affront.

You forget that the airplanes use in the attack were not strictly filled with east coasters. Those murdered in the Pentagon aren't all from your shtetle.

What I find interesting is you chose to use this subject to divide. Typical of liberal theology.

Seems you just don't know how to be nice.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri May 16, 2014 12:58 am

Tell you what oscar next time yuo to new york don't visit the museum if it bothers you.

What about those in the planes is there something about them as well? They seem like the forgotten victims sometimes.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 16, 2014 6:05 am

gmc;1454211 wrote: Tell you what oscar next time yuo to new york don't visit the museum if it bothers you.

What about those in the planes is there something about them as well? They seem like the forgotten victims sometimes.

I've been to Ground Zero a few years ago when my brother and I did Christmas shopping over there. We both found that extremely powerful yet serene. We stood for ages just In silence and after we chatted to so many people. We didn't need victims slippers or battered fire engines, we got It without them. But there was a dignified serenity, and still managed to bring tears to the eyes.... just saying

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:09 am

TD: "Seems you just don't know how to be nice."

Is that a sample of you being nice?

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:08 pm

$700 Million and Counting: 9/11 Museum Opens With Money Worries - NBC News

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun May 18, 2014 1:25 pm

along-for-the-ride;1454600 wrote: $700 Million and Counting: 9/11 Museum Opens With Money Worries - NBC News

Wow, that's a huge cost.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:35 pm

Oscar you do have your fair share of 'London bombing' museums and displays.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:37 pm

Just thinking if people will begin erecting "museums" around the world to honour their victims of atrocities. There'd be a few.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun May 18, 2014 2:46 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1454612 wrote: Oscar you do have your fair share of 'London bombing' museums and displays. Yes we do.

As It happens, I am actually coming around to liking the Idea of the 9/11 museum. I have always said from that day, I believe It was an act of war. It was actually, the one defining moment that changed the world and the war on terror.

We also have a Holocaust Jewish Museum here. Yes, In hindsight, defining moments In history should be preserved.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun May 18, 2014 3:26 pm

As long as they don't do the theatrics of the Churchill museum or the York dungeon museum. Walking through a street during the blitz or being sneezed on by a manican then realising you're entering the black death area of the museum

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:03 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1454617 wrote: As long as they don't do the theatrics of the Churchill museum or the York dungeon museum. Walking through a street during the blitz or being sneezed on by a manican then realising you're entering the black death area of the museum I'm not sure about this though.

9/11 museum's tacky gift shop outrages victims' families | Mail Online

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Sun May 18, 2014 5:45 pm

hmmmm I thought memorials/museums are place of reflection, contemplation and remembrance? Bad positioning maybe?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon May 19, 2014 10:32 am

fuzzywuzzy;1454622 wrote: hmmmm I thought memorials/museums are place of reflection, contemplation and remembrance? Bad positioning maybe?

The 9/11 Memorial Museum gift shop's tasteless souvenirs you can buy | Mail Online