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One of the first ?
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Respect to him. Whether you agree with his reasons or not, he is not only resigning hist from a party that is (currently) in Government, but defecting to a party that doesn't have any M.P.s at all (yet). This is a major case demonstration of his having the integrity to openly stand by the courage of his convictions.

Regardless of your politics, be they Tory or Labour (Liberal just fawn to whoever holds the conch), both of them have the official policy of being Pro-Europe. This, however, has been demonstrated recently by the massive rise of UKIP's following not to be the general feeling of the electorate who they are meant to represent. Conservative offer the bribe of a referendum 'if' they get into power (whether or not they would keep to that bribe is another matter), while Labour refuse such a referendum. This is something I feel will do Labour major harm.

It's time Labour & Conservative (and all the little pebbles on the beach) got together & came to an agreement that there WILL be a referendum to the the People speak, one way or the other, regardless of who gets into Government at the next election. It's obvious it's a subject that there's a great deal of disharmony about & it's time something was done to settle the matter one way or the other, regardless of Party Politics.

I'm a Labour supporter, but I don't agree with ALL their policies - Europe being one. This is why, when voting on the issue of the EU I voted UKIP (who, not surprisingly, got in round here).

Continued EU membership is a matter that HAS to be addressed & perhaps his defection will rattle a few cages to encourage something to happen.
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[QUOTE=Bruv;1463018

One of the first ?


What are you talking about, one of the first?

You seem a little behind the times Bruv.

Most of UKIP Is made up of Conservatives and BNP.... those Conservatives who knew they didn't have a hope of getting returned to Westminter unless they defected to a more progressive Party.

Nigel Farage: Ukip's controversial politicians have all defected from the Conservatives - Telegraph

I do have a list somewhere I was given of all the Conservatives who joined UKIP.

Don't have time now to look,
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Oscar Namechange;1463053 wrote: What are you talking about, one of the first?

You seem a little behind the times Bruv.


What?

How many standing MP's have I missed that resigned forcing a By-election ?
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Oscar Namechange;1463053 wrote:

Most of UKIP Is made up of Conservatives and BNP.... those Conservatives who knew they didn't have a hope of getting returned to Westminter unless they defected to a more progressive Party.


Except that UKIP bans former BNP Members from joining the party.

(Ukip 'Quite Proud' Of Taking BNP Votes, Says Nigel Farage)

I must say, I quite liked this quote...



"I would think we have probably taken a third of the BNP vote directly from them, I don't think anyone has done more, apart from Nick Griffin on Question Time, to damage the BNP than Ukip and I am quite proud of that."
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Bruv;1463063 wrote: What?

How many standing MP's have I missed that resigned forcing a By-election ?


Then I must apologise.

Standing MP's forcing a By Is different I concur,
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Oscar Namechange;1463069 wrote: Then I must apologise.

Standing MP's forcing a By Is different I concur,


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FourPart;1463065 wrote: Except that UKIP bans former BNP Members from joining the party.

(Ukip 'Quite Proud' Of Taking BNP Votes, Says Nigel Farage)

I must say, I quite liked this quote... UKIP Is a Party of misfits and I would no more trust them to become even more far right than the EDL If they get Into power than I would a neo-nazi Party In Germany.

Banned BNP from joining? Yeah right !!! Unfortunately, I uphold the trust placed In me. From my membership lists, I could name the people who left the BNP to join UKIP and now want to rejoin us. However much I'd like to prove a point, I can not do that. That's something you'll have to take my word for over Farage. All I will say, Is I've just got home from a Party meeting where a member of UKIP and former member of the BNP showed me his bloody UKIP membership card !!! I've even got pics of the guy with Griffin !!!!

Misfits the damn lot of them, even Farage has gone public stating he's only In It to disrupt Parliament and he'll resign In 5 years. He was not elected to stand In South Thanet, he chose the Seat only because the Ward has swung back and forth for years. It's an unsafe Seat and prime for a swing that he's chosen very carefully.

Farage Is a clown with a collection of misfits who could not get elected for any other Party.

Andy Olson couldn't get elected when he stood for the Green Party

Joe O'Neill an Independant who lost his Seat went on to contest the Swinton Sear again for the Green Party. Lost again and Is now trying UKIP

Mary Ferrer an ex Lib Dem lost her Seat under Lib Dems so also joined The Green Party to try her luck there. Lost her deposit In the Weaste and Seedley Ward and this year she's trying again for UKIP

Janice Taylor who failed to get elected repeatedly In the Irwell Riverside Ward for the Lib Dems Is now trying her luck with UKIP

Shnuer Odze, A Conservative Councillor suspended by Hackney council and forced to resign. Carried on In Salford for the Conservatives and failed repeatedly to win a seat. Now trying his hand at UKIP

I could go on an on...

New Party ???? Viable Candidates????

UKIP Is the dregs of an old last teabag, squeezed out to make one more cuppa.

This Is not a new progressive Party as portrayed by Farage, this Is a mish mash of failures who have defected.
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Oscar Namechange;1463077 wrote: I could go on an on...


Could ?

Sounds to me like you are worried.
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Bruv;1463079 wrote: Could ?

Sounds to me like you are worried.


Worried ?? About what?

I predict UKIP will crash and burn within 5 years. I predict that when the misfits fail to get returned, they'll defect back to the Party that see's the biggest swing and again target soft Seats.

I predict a swing to UKIP In May but I don't believe It will be as high percentage wise as Farage believes.

I predict larger swings to Labour.

I do predict UKIP will see Seats won and I predict 5 Seats nationwide.

The BNP has been decimated from the Brons leadership challenge. Nick expelled him from the Party and he resigned as MEP. Brons and Kemp set up a new Party but I'm seeing those who joined them, gradually come begging for us to take them back.

However, I am not deluded. We may possibly win a couple of Seats In unsafe Wards. We may not. The Internal Party Politics were so damaging that the new Chairman has a lot to do In a very short time. We have a good Idea of how the General will go for UKIP.

Our Issue, Is the electorate being hoodwinked Into believing that this Is some kind of New Party. It's not. It's full of tired old has beens and never beens having one last stab at getting returned.
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Oscar Namechange;1463083 wrote: Worried ?? About what?
Hold up

I predict UKIP will crash and burn within 5 years. I predict that when the misfits fail to get returned, they'll defect back to the Party that see's the biggest swing and again target soft Seats.

I predict a swing to UKIP In May but I don't believe It will be as high percentage wise as Farage believes.

I predict larger swings to Labour.

I do predict UKIP will see Seats won and I predict 5 Seats nationwide.

The BNP has been decimated from the Brons leadership challenge. Nick expelled him from the Party and he resigned as MEP. Brons and Kemp set up a new Party but I'm seeing those who joined them, gradually come begging for us to take them back.

However, I am not deluded. We may possibly win a couple of Seats In unsafe Wards. We may not. The Internal Party Politics were so damaging that the new Chairman has a lot to do In a very short time. We have a good Idea of how the General will go for UKIP.

Our Issue, Is the electorate being hoodwinked Into believing that this Is some kind of New Party. It's not. It's full of tired old has beens and never beens having one last stab at getting returned.
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Bruv;1463093 wrote: Hold up

All that ?


It's akin to my horse racing tips during National Hunt season. I'm willing to stae my predictions even If I look stupid after the race...

How about you do the same ?
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Oscar Namechange;1463098 wrote: It's akin to my horse racing tips during National Hunt season. I'm willing to stae my predictions even If I look stupid after the race...

How about you do the same ?


I don't really do fortune telling.

How do you measure the success of an anti EU party ?

They will burst into blossom possibly a coalition candidate.......then who knows ?
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Bruv;1463128 wrote: I don't really do fortune telling.

How do you measure the success of an anti EU party ?

They will burst into blossom possibly a coalition candidate.......then who knows ?




Euroscepticism amd anti EU seems to be making gains In Europe... how can Farage possibly whitter on about forming a Coalition with Cameron In May? One's pro EU, the other Is anti.

The growing anti EU could progress... why do you think Cameron has been welching on the promise of a referendum that he pledged way before the last election.

What were his words again ? Oh yeah ' Vote Conservative and I will give you an EU referendum that Gordon Brown denied the people of Britain'. :wah:
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IMO UKIP are a far greater threat to our democracy and future than BNP can ever be. xenophbia is fashionable again. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is a racist according to farage at least that's what he called the scots just because we don't like smug ex public schoolboys that think they know better than everyone else.
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gmc;1463133 wrote: IMO UKIP are a far greater threat to our democracy and future than BNP can ever be. xenophbia is fashionable again. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is a racist according to farage at least that's what he called the scots just because we don't like smug ex public schoolboys that think they know better than everyone else.


I agree, how can you trust a leader who has publically stated he's In It to disrupt Parlaiment as opposed to serving his country and he's announced he will retire In 5 years?

The Party consists of serial failures who have tried every other Party to get elected and have turned to UKIP as last chance saloon.

When I tell my neighbours and friends they are mostly public school boys, they don't believe It. They see them as something brand new, a revelation, a new messiah.

Trouble Is, a lot of people go blindly to the polls and don't bother researching the candidates. If they did that, they'd see a long list of failures In Wards before they defected to UJIP.

My ex Party Chairman may be a pillock at times, but he's a consistent pillock. At least you know exactly where you are with him which Is the same place as 30 years ago. He's never wavered and he'd never sell out his grass roots In coalition just for jobs for the boys.

Don't think Farage will be booking his London to Edinburgh rail ticket again In a hurry.
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Oscar Namechange;1463129 wrote: ....how can Farage possibly whitter on about forming a Coalition with Cameron In May?


Cameron ?

Milliband......even you reckon Labours on the way back.
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Bruv;1463135 wrote: Cameron ?

Milliband......even you reckon Labours on the way back. Let me clarify.

Farage has stated he will accept a Coalition with Conservatives If there Is no clear majority. Yet, That's Farage believing he's going to win enough Seats to be In a position to offer a Coalition deal.

I believe Labour will make gains. Maybe not enough to win a majority and the keys to Number 10 but enough to make It so close that a Coalition may be formed with the Conservatives.

I also predict the Green party will lose their seat In Brighton with Conservative gaining there.

I also predict a bloodbath for the Liberal Democrats.
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Oscar Namechange;1463134 wrote: The Party consists of serial failures who have tried every other Party to get elected and have turned to UKIP as last chance saloon.


Well, you did say that UKIP was made up of former BNP members.
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FourPart;1463169 wrote: Well, you did say that UKIP was made up of former BNP members.


It Is !!!! Despie Farage's blatant lies to the media.

I have never denied that the BNP attracts Idiots. You can not profile Individually, every single membership application. Exactly as the Labour or Conservative Party can't. Look at the criminal convictions for child abuse, downloading child porn and fraud within those Parties, so of course we get Idiots. However, they tend to get flagged up very quickly as soon as they make tits of themselves and In the past, Griffin has been speedy with his purges and expulsions.

Given all this swinging back and forth In the race to sign up to UKIP because they feel they have btter chances of getting elected, we now have black lists In every region of the people we will not accept back from UKIP.

I have been dealing with memberships all week and I have been Instramental In ensuring some never rejoin our Party.

UKIP are very welcome to them.
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Yet he never expelled himself.
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FourPart;1463190 wrote: Yet he never expelled himself.


Why should he?

Despite the preconceived misconceptions of the Party, It Is as democratic as any other.

WE vote for leaders not Griffin.

We have had two serious leadership challenges In the past, the others are not worth the effort of reporting. Wannabe's fancying themselves as taking over.

In 2008 following a knife attack allegedly by Combat 18, now there's an Irony, Eddie Butler challenged Griffin for leadership and lost. He's now prominent In The English Democrats.

In 2010 Andrew Brons was one of four candidates who launched a leadership challenge with Derek Adams, Richard Barnbrook AM and Eddy Butler.

Brons ended up the main and most viable candidate and after many recounts, lost by just 4 votes. I was on the Hustings with them and the Party would have been far more sinister under a Brons leadership.

The point Is, It's for the vote not Griffin's say so.

This year, the Party voted again and Adam Walker won the vote ousting Griffin as Chairman.

So... why should have Griffin resigned at any time? The Party democratically elects It's leaders and this year, members spoke through that voting.

If he won leadership challenges, then he's democratically elected, so you tell me why he should ever have resigned?
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Is anyone else getting this?

In my Facebook newsfeed, I keep getting a Conservative site coming up on the hour every hour despite never signing up.

A few nights ago, It kept coming up with the question ' Tell us what you think of David Cameron'.

I resisted the urge to post ' He's a **** for an hour and then succumbed to temptation.

I'm probably on a Government watch list now.

Today, they are asking ' What do you think of Immigration'?

Seriously ! Are they taking the piss now?

Here we go, It's just come up again.

Controlling Immigration

Are they allowed to do that?
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Oscar Namechange;1463205 wrote: Is anyone else getting this?

In my Facebook newsfeed, I keep getting a Conservative site coming up on the hour every hour despite never signing up.

A few nights ago, It kept coming up with the question ' Tell us what you think of David Cameron'.

I resisted the urge to post ' He's a **** for an hour and then succumbed to temptation.

I'm probably on a Government watch list now.

Today, they are asking ' What do you think of Immigration'?

Seriously ! Are they taking the piss now?

Here we go, It's just come up again.

Controlling Immigration

Are they allowed to do that?


I'm not convinced it is just you getting odd conservative things on your feed, I've seen a few lately now I think about it. Will have a look later, just pondering the fact that I have not been googling politics or the conservatives so wondering why they are appearing?
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Betty Boop;1463206 wrote: I'm not convinced it is just you getting odd conservative things on your feed, I've seen a few lately now I think about it. Will have a look later, just pondering the fact that I have not been googling politics or the conservatives so wondering why they are appearing?


That's what made me wonder. I don't get any others from Labour or UKIP say.

I've never visited their site or any Conservative sites. I don't visit their website.

In fact, I have visited others like Britain First and UKIP, even the Green Party but I've never had these on my newsfeed. Even Far Right sites, I look at all the time, don't come up.

Just seems to be them.
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You've probably been on their website at some time or another (spying?) and accidentally clicked on 'Follow' or something. Still, it's easy enough to remove them.

I use Windows Live Media - I imagine it's roughly the same with any other eMail client:

File > Options > Feeds

Select the ones you don't want & Delete. Then select the frequency to Never.
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FourPart;1463209 wrote: You've probably been on their website at some time or another (spying?) and accidentally clicked on 'Follow' or something. Still, it's easy enough to remove them.



I use Windows Live Media - I imagine it's roughly the same with any other eMail client:

File > Options > Feeds

Select the ones you don't want & Delete. Then select the frequency to Never.


Oh please !!!

My memory serves me correctly. I have NEVER visited any Conservative site.

I don't have to. In my community meetings, I'm with Tory Councillors who can update me should I care enough to want to know.

I have never e mailed any Conservative site.

I am also, I like to think, reasonable Intelligent enough to not click on follow.

Although, now I have Indeed commented on the one asking ' What do you think of David Cameron'., I will get them all the more now.... couldn't resist.
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Oscar Namechange;1463211 wrote:

My memory serves me correctly. I have NEVER visited any Conservative site.

I don't have to. In my community meetings, I'm with Tory Councillors who can update me should I care enough to want to know.
Alright - "Somebody" may have.

Although, now I have Indeed commented on the one asking ' What do you think of David Cameron'., I will get them all the more now.... couldn't resist.
At least our opinions are likely to tally there - even if for different reasons.
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Seeing as Fourpart brings Griffin into the equation in these threads, i'll endorse what Oscar has said in that the B.N.P party constitution was left unchallenged for around twenty five years until such time that the party was deemed to be the highest threat to the last general election.

The key figures around that time were not the knuckle dragging type envisaged by outsiders but men who if elected, would pose a serious problem and why steps were taken to ensure the B.N.P was made illegal, a step that backfired.

Oscar often refers to Andrew Brons and it was him that was deemed the most serious threat to Westminster and not Griffin, should he stand.

Far from the thug image portrayed, take a look for yourself.



Had he have won the leadership challenge, Oscar is right, i think the party would be far more of a threat than it is seen now.
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Ironically, following the leadership challenge, It was Brons who decimated the Party when he set up his new Party. Although many of those are drifiting back now.

There he Is talking this year about Nationalist Parties uniting :-2:-2

I'd love to see him come back to the Party. I always got on very well with him. We both like horses.
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Oscar Namechange;1463220 wrote: Ironically, following the leadership challenge, It was Brons who decimated the Party when he set up his new Party. Although many of those are drifiting back now.

There he Is talking this year about Nationalist Parties uniting :-2:-2

I'd love to see him come back to the Party. I always got on very well with him. We both like horses.


Don't fancy the chances of the snp or plaid cymru wanting to unite with the BNP.
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gmc;1463231 wrote: Don't fancy the chances of the snp or plaid cymru wanting to unite with the BNP. Do you think we'd want them ? :sneaky::sneaky::wah:
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Oscar Namechange;1463220 wrote: There he Is talking this year about Nationalist Parties uniting :-2:-2




Oscar Namechange;1463238 wrote: Do you think we'd want them ? :sneaky::sneaky::wah:


So......why is Griffin as a Nationalist getting involved in all these Middle East countries politics?

Griffin was pursuing an ideology called "third positionism", which saw itself as being beyond the left-right spectrum of politics, opting instead for an ultranationalism that supports the creation of racially homogenous communities....Guided by this ideology, Griffin openly backed black separatist Louis Farrakhan in the nationalist magazine Bulldog and called for nationalists to support Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini.
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Bruv;1463271 wrote: So......why is Griffin as a Nationalist getting involved in all these Middle East countries politics?

.


Sigh

The policy of the BNP Is to not meddle In foriegn wars and to withdraw all our troops from over-sea's except on peace keeping missions.

When you have governments In power that repeatedly Invade and meddle In the ME, and meddle to the point, It could affect us at home, then he speaks out.

EG... William Hague wanting to arm Syrian rebels last year... the same rebels who now fly the ISIS flag In Iraq.

When he was asked to go to Syria for the 2nd time by Assad, he toured the morgues with him to see for himself that the dead were not victims of chemical warfare as Assad was being accused by the West.
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It might help if you read the links.......sigh.(Or even the point made in the linked text)
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Bruv;1463286 wrote: It might help if you read the links.......sigh.(Or even the point made in the linked text)


Oh that was a link was It ?

Given the length, I thought It was a quote.

Unfortunately, due to the drugs my husband Is now on, he Is very light sensitive and most of my reading Is done In the semi dark to protect his eyes. Hence, my recent typo's that I have to keep editing...

I don't actually see your point.

If Griffin wants to adopt an agenda of Third Positionism, then whay shouldn't he? Are you saying that a political Party should not have an Ideology and It's leader should not have his own views?

It's a middle ground between Socialism and Capitalism. It Incorporates Nationalism and Economic Corporatism In opposition to Liberalism.

Why shouldn't he?
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Anyone thinking that good old U.K.I.P will solve the immigration issue can see exactly how fake this man is and how the voters are being hoodwinked. You'll also notice the real racist here. Note Australia remark.

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Oscar Namechange;1463289 wrote: Oh that was a link was It ?

Given the length, I thought It was a quote.

Unfortunately, due to the drugs my husband Is now on, he Is very light sensitive and most of my reading Is done In the semi dark to protect his eyes. Hence, my recent typo's that I have to keep editing...

I don't actually see your point.

If Griffin wants to adopt an agenda of Third Positionism, then whay shouldn't he? Are you saying that a political Party should not have an Ideology and It's leader should not have his own views?

It's a middle ground between Socialism and Capitalism. It Incorporates Nationalism and Economic Corporatism In opposition to Liberalism.

Why shouldn't he?
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No reason at all, but it is better for people to know WHY exactly he is running around the middle east rather than the idea that he is an international peace maker.

Third Positionism is a Public Relations term for racist seperatism



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Bruv;1463295 wrote: All links from me are underlined for future reference.......thats a link below.....OK



No reason at all, but it is better for people to know WHY exactly he is running around the middle east rather than the idea that he is an international peace maker.

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I will look at your link as soon as I get back.

Until then, he's the leader of a Political Party and former MEP, a politician... are you seriously suggesting he should not take an Interest In what's happening around the world?

You praise Galloway for his trips to Iraq, but Griffin can't do the same ? How does that work exactly?
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Oscar Namechange;1463297 wrote: I will look at your link as soon as I get back.

Until then, he's the leader of a Political Party and former MEP, a politician... are you seriously suggesting he should not take an Interest In what's happening around the world?

You praise Galloway for his trips to Iraq, but Griffin can't do the same ? How does that work exactly?


Nurses spend a lot of time in hospitals...............so did Jimmy Saville......it's all about motive.....or in your case point scoring.
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Bruv;1463299 wrote: Nurses spend a lot of time in hospitals...............so did Jimmy Saville......it's all about motive.....or in your case point scoring. I haven't left the building yet.

Go on then, you tell me why, you praised Galloway's trips to Iraq when he was merely the leader of the Respect Party yet according to you, Griffin had no right to also take an Interest In what's happening outside of the UK ?

If anyone Is point scoring here, It's you, trying to score points over Griffin while offering no explanation to what I asked you In the last post.

Next, you'll be complaining about how many times Griffin has been mentioned.

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I found the Farage link especially supportive of UKIP. I found his rhetoric spot on.
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Far left and far right parties have one thing in common in that they eventually disintegrate as they seem to become more interested in internal squabbling over their differences than what unites them sooner or latr the same will happen to ukip imo. In the meantime they do a lot of harm. People bang on about the isk to the UK if scotland declares independence how come no one points out the catastrophic consequences for us if we unilaterally decide t leave th EU?

The irony is that farage is himself the descendants of immigrant refugees (hugenots) who fled to this country seeking asylum. OK I suppos he ould argue they brought useful skills and integrated. UKIP make racism acceptable that it also attracts the mysogynists is to be expected of the to UKIP is a more serious long term threat to our democracy, looks like they will destroy the tory party.
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gmc;1463385 wrote: Far left and far right parties have one thing in common in that they eventually disintegrate as they seem to become more interested in internal squabbling over their differences than what unites them sooner or latr the same will happen to ukip imo. In the meantime they do a lot of harm. People bang on about the isk to the UK if scotland declares independence how come no one points out the catastrophic consequences for us if we unilaterally decide t leave th EU?

The irony is that farage is himself the descendants of immigrant refugees (hugenots) who fled to this country seeking asylum. OK I suppos he ould argue they brought useful skills and integrated. UKIP make racism acceptable that it also attracts the mysogynists is to be expected of the to UKIP is a more serious long term threat to our democracy, looks like they will destroy the tory party.


Squabbling Is not what I'd call It. Mark Colette was Interviewed by police over an alleged plot to have someone take out Nick Griffin. Then, allegedly, Jim Dowsen, now the Chairman of Britain First also threatened to kill him or was It them who was going to take out Dowsen? Anyway, It was vicious. Yet, your right, as I understand Farage has also had leadership mutterings In the past,

This Is why we vote for Griffin, there's all these people who think they can do the job but In reality can't. If Andrew Bron's had won the leadership challenge, I believe the Party would have still fragmented because those loyal to Griffin would have probably left the Party In a huff over It as did Bron's mob when he lost by just 4 votes. Bron's although the perfect gentleman and extremely educated, Is still firmly In his grass roots of the National Front so In hindsight, him losing and now Nick Griffin stepping down, means we can finally lose that tag.

It was vicious, even our own City branch fragmented Into the Brons camp and the Griffin camp. Still, at least I've had the pleasure of being Instramental In blocking some of those people who plotted to over-throw Griffin.

Point Is, they all lose sight of what we are about. An alternative to mainstream.

The day of action In Rochdale when 4 Nationalist Parties actually managed to get along with each other for the day shows what can be achieved should they unite. I don't think they ever will, too many ego's.

I don't think Nationalist Parties are alone In this kind of thing. I bet they all have their own Internal politics but we have a long way to go again to repair the damage Brons created.

Those who think they can do Griffin's job are having a laugh. I very much doubt they'd ever stand up to the Intrusion Into their family and private life, the constant death threats and hostile media. Even arranging to meet Nick, we have to have rendevous points before being told the final meeting point. However, I do believe Adam Walker will stay the distance. Who knows? We vote again In a years time.
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Oscar Namechange;1463390 wrote:

Point Is, they all lose sight of what we are about. An alternative to mainstream..........

Those who think they can do Griffin's job are having a laugh. I very much doubt they'd ever stand up to the Intrusion Into their family and private life, the constant death threats and hostile media. Even arranging to meet Nick, we have to have rendevous points before being told the final meeting point.


When you say WE........who are you talking for ? Because to be fair an 'Alternative to mainstream' is not the top of most of their priorities......it may be yours.

Why should a demi god be so paranoid?

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Bruv;1463397 wrote: When you say WE........who are you talking for ? Because to be fair an 'Alternative to mainstream' is not the top of most of their priorities......it may be yours.

Why should a demi god be so paranoid?

If it not paranoia, what does a person have to do to result in such a lifestyle?


Paranoia?

So are you stating clearly here, that when police have advised him of what they deem to be a serious and tangible threat of harm to him, the police are either lying or just having a lark about?

Different Far Right Org but relevant

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Made for Parliament you are...........picking and choosing what questions you think you want to answer to keep your audience happy.

I will run these past you again.........in relation to your post.

When you say WE........who are you talking for ?

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Bruv;1463410 wrote: Made for Parliament you are...........picking and choosing what questions you think you want to answer to keep your audience happy.

I will run these past you again.........in relation to your post.

When you say WE........who are you talking for ?

If its not paranoia, what does a person have to do to result in such a lifestyle?


WE are the Party.

Now, I've answered your question, try answering mine.

So are you stating clearly here, that when police have advised him of what they deem to be a serious and tangible threat of harm to him, the police are either lying or just having a lark about?
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Oscar Namechange;1463390 wrote:

Point Is, they all lose sight of what we are about. An alternative to mainstream.

The day of action In Rochdale when 4 Nationalist Parties actually managed to get along with each other for the day shows what can be achieved should they unite.


I read that as WE being Nationalists.....but I am easily confused.

Bruv;1463410 wrote:

If its not paranoia, what does a person have to do to result in such a lifestyle?




Now you are answering questions that haven't been asked......that alone should fast track you to PM.
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A death threat now - warning that you're heading for a Post Mortem.

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