Emma West why so long waiting ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:03 pm

THE trial of a woman accused of racially abusing passengers on a Croydon tram has been adjourned

Emma West, 35, is charged with two racially aggravated public order offences in relation to an incident on a tram travelling between Croydon and Wimbledon in October 2011.

Why such a delay ?

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:42 pm

I suspect the court's waiting for her to be fit to try, which if so is a bit daft given that if they'd just give her a £50 fine and six months probation she'd be out from under the pressure and more able to get on with her life.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:53 pm

She has been subject to psychiatric reports. It's been put back because of new reports

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:03 pm

oscar;1424211 wrote: It's been put back because of new reports
I'd be interested to see a source for that, please - I've not seen one and I've been following the tale.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:20 pm

Unfit to stand trial ?

Couldn't they deal with it on that basis ?

It seems a hell of a long time to leave it hanging.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:27 pm

Bruv;1424216 wrote: Unfit to stand trial ?

Couldn't they deal with it on that basis ?

It seems a hell of a long time to leave it hanging.

Emma West, alleged ‘racist’ Croydon tram lady, trial adjourned

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:03 am

All I know is from the youtube video.

Move on people, nothing to see here.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:48 am

tude dog;1424259 wrote: All I know is from the youtube video.

Move on people, nothing to see here. In actual fact Tudeydoody you are wrong there. On the surface It may appear just a youtube rant but the whole episode has raised some heated debate In this country regarding the right to Freedom Of Speech. It's become quite political after The Far Right came to her defence after her arrest.

It certainly raises questions. Does she have the right to the Freedom of Speech ? Was she being racist ? Is her arrest ' Malicious Arrest' as The Far Right claim?

Only when Emma has been tried by Jury will we have the answers.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:01 am

oscar;1424268 wrote:

Only when Emma has been tried by Jury will we have the answers.

Too many behind the scenes shennanigans for me

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:11 am

Bruv;1424269 wrote: Too many behind the scenes shennanigans for me She's being used by some outlets I fear.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:16 am

Puppeteers should not sway the law and it's dispensation

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:54 pm

oscar;1424268 wrote: In actual fact Tudeydoody you are wrong there. On the surface It may appear just a youtube rant but the whole episode has raised some heated debate In this country regarding the right to Freedom Of Speech. It's become quite political after The Far Right came to her defence after her arrest.

It certainly raises questions. Does she have the right to the Freedom of Speech ? Was she being racist ? Is her arrest ' Malicious Arrest' as The Far Right claim?

Only when Emma has been tried by Jury will we have the answers.

OK

I got it that this incident received way to much attention.

What a blessing it is to live in societies which have so much spare time to be concerned with such nonsense.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:11 am

Actually it's a lot more subtle than simple racism. If she had said the same things to a bunch of poles - and many (daily mail) are stirring it up about the prospect of eastern europeans coming to the UK. Would that be racsim? Reigious bigotry? most poles are catholic and if you think that isn't an issue look at northern ireland where religion is the main cause of the hatred. Is it only racism if the target of the vitriol happens to be a different colour? Where is the line between legitimate concern and outright simple hatred.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:28 am

gmc;1424329 wrote: Actually it's a lot more subtle than simple racism. If she had said the same things to a bunch of poles - and many (daily mail) are stirring it up about the prospect of eastern europeans coming to the UK. Would that be racsim? Reigious bigotry? most poles are catholic and if you think that isn't an issue look at northern ireland where religion is the main cause of the hatred. Is it only racism if the target of the vitriol happens to be a different colour? Where is the line between legitimate concern and outright simple hatred.

I have since seen various youtube clips of Asian and Black people abusing carraiges of white British passengers. As far as I am aware, only one of those has been arrested. Certainly have not received the same treatment and media outrage as Emma.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:58 pm

oscar;1424362 wrote: I have since seen various youtube clips of Asian and Black people abusing carraiges of white British passengers. As far as I am aware, only one of those has been arrested. Certainly have not received the same treatment and media outrage as Emma.

We experience double standards in this country. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to point somethings out.

The whole "words hurt" concept is for children. At some point one should just grow up and walk away.

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:54 am

tude dog;1424398 wrote: At some point one should just grow up and walk away.
Though not when one's a captive audience in a bus with no alternative carriages, presumably.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:01 pm

Emma West rant: Mother who launched vile racist tram abuse which was caught on camera is spared jail | Mail Online

After all that, she was bound over to keep the peace.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:38 am

I ought to refer the thread to a strangely biased article in Tuesday's Mirror:The General Dental Council has now ruled that she is a risk to the "safety of her patients" and struck her off.

Dental nurse who went on racist rant branded 'risk to patients' and struck off

The entire article is about the tram incident - racism sells papers, presumably. I doubt very much whether the General Dental Council focused entirely on that at all. Stabbing her boyfriend and assaulting a Metropolitan officer seem far more relevant to the safety of her patients.

It saddens me that The General Dental Council continues the Crucifixion of Emma West. She deserves sympathy and support after all she's gone through, not banning from her profession. The trial really should have been an end to it.

As for the Mirror, it's just luxuriating in the repetition of all those juicy foul-mouthed anti-immigration quotes from the viral clip. They presumably sold an extra hundred thousand copies.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:10 am

The Irony of course, Is that those who sympathise with poor Emma West appeared to celebrate another striking off recently.

The fact remains, she was found guilty. That gives her a criminal conviction and the governing body of dental practice have every right to object to that.

You can not be selective. You can not bend rules simply because you feel sorry for someone.

In her profession, she would have come Into contact with Immigrants. Quite right, given her rant, she should not be In this position.

Adam Walker, the Chairman of the BNP has also been struck off by the Education board and banned for teaching for life. His trial was not as clear cut as the media portrayed and just like my case, the ' children' Involved were not Innocent kids. Regardless, as Adam was a key figure In that nasty BNP he loses his profession despite having an exemplary record In teaching.

The two are similar... Emma West lost It on a train full of Immigrants and Adam lost It after being relentlessly goaded by local scroats.

If you saying that Emma West was ' crucified' and her trial should have been the end of It, then likewise so should Adam Walker's have been.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:57 pm

Let's put it this way, I know which of the two I'd prefer to have dinner with, and it isn't the Chairman of the BNP. Nor that foam-mouthed fanatic Colin Jordan, if he's still alive.

eta: apparently not: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... ordan.html

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:45 pm

If I had my Muslim Immigrant friends and neighbours at my home, I'd have absolutely no qualms about having Adam Walker along. I would however, not In a million years have Emma West who was clearly racist, foul mouthed, threatening, abusive and clearly a drunk.

As for Colin Jordan, what Is the point here exactly ?

The man led the British Movement between 1962 and 1975. I think you'll find today's BNP Is very far removed from the 1970's. After all, we are talking about nearly 50 years ago. Clutching at straws,

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:51 pm

I find it a useful test, whether I'd break bread with a person. In a few cases it's whether I'd enter the same building but mostly it's less extreme. In my opinion, based on media reports, Emma West was unwell. The Chairman of the BNP is, by contrast, unsavoury, while Colin Jordan was clearly unhinged.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:01 pm

spot;1464466 wrote: I find it a useful test, whether I'd break bread with a person. In a few cases it's whether I'd enter the same building but mostly it's less extreme. In my opinion, based on media reports, Emma West was unwell. The Chairman of the BNP is, by contrast, unsavoury, while Colin Jordan was clearly unhinged.

When Emma was first arrested, the BNP offered their support. However, after getting to know her rather better than you do, she was deemed a liability and dropped like a red brick.

Adam Walker on the other hand, I have found to be utterly charming and a gentleman.

Adam Walker was born In 1970. He would have been 5 years old when Colin Jordan ended his leadership of the British Movement. Your connection Is way off.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:12 pm

Oscar Namechange;1464469 wrote: When Emma was first arrested, the BNP offered their support. However, after getting to know her rather better than you do, she was deemed a liability and dropped like a red brick.
I can well believe all of that. Most people would find it speaks strongly in her favour.

The phrase you're searching for is hot potato.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:25 pm

spot;1464473 wrote: I can well believe all of that. Most people would find it speaks strongly in her favour.

The phrase you're searching for is hot potato. No, I'll use the phrase used by the President... ' Loose Canon and a liability.

Post by **spot** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Oscar Namechange;1464474 wrote: No, I'll use the phrase used by the President... ' Loose Canon and a liability.

As opposed to red brick? Why not.

I suppose "Loose Canon" means something too, but I'm buggered if I can work out what. A cathedral clergyperson of dubious sexual probity, perhaps.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:56 pm

You are a tease Spot.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:17 pm

spot;1464476 wrote: As opposed to red brick? Why not.

I suppose "Loose Canon" means something too, but I'm buggered if I can work out what. A cathedral clergyperson of dubious sexual probity, perhaps.
That reminds me of an episode of QI, where the subject of a new Pope's indoctrination came up, where he is lifted up high on his seat while the Cardinals 'check his undercarriage' before making the statement 'They are hanging well'. Apparently this is due some time back in Ancient History when a woman, acting as a man was able to become Pope & ever since then they've made it part of the procedure to run a sex check.

Therefore, the Pope could be described as being a "Loose Canon".

Post by **spot** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:27 am

FourPart;1464492 wrote: Therefore, the Pope could be described as being a "Loose Canon".

Ah. Top pocket off the red ball.

She was called Joan. One of the Durrells wrote a notable brief work of fiction about her. The one who wrote the Alexandria Quartet. Laurence, I think.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:16 am

So tell us.... does this woman deserve sympathy ?

Warning... Strong Language

Video: Watch racist black woman rant against whites on London bus

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:29 am

Oscar Namechange;1464511 wrote: So tell us.... does this woman deserve sympathy ?

Warning... Strong Language

Video: Watch racist black woman rant against whites on London bus
No more than the other. It makes no difference what colour the person concerned is, or who the tirade is directed at. It's simply not acceptable.

I had to laugh though - "My parent were both ********** African, born in Jamaica".