The videos of the killing of IS victims

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:17 am

Would you, or have you viewed these videos?

I haven't and don't wish to see them.

I'd like to know why people do.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:23 am

I have not and would not view them.

I have no idea why anybody would want to see such events.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:31 am

I haven't, not would I want to.

I think the whole nature of the desire to see them is akin to rubber-necking on the motorway, where even more accidents are caused by drivers passing by & straining to look to see if there's any gory bits visible.

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:43 am

Such videos go back a long way before ISIS was invented. I remember being pressed hard by anastrophe to watch one such filmed murder (of Daniel Pearl) so he could then insist I say golly how vile, and repeatedly refusing to watch it. To the best of my knowledge I've never seen film of anyone being killed other than the obligatory World War One material of soldiers charging into no man's land, which has been unavoidable to anyone owning a television at any time since Michael Redgrave's "The Great War" was shown through 1964/5 for the 50th anniversary. Which I sat through at the time, transfixed, along with the rest of the nation excepting those who had actually been there.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:52 am

One of the nightmare images was the execution by pistol to the temple from the Vietnam war of a man on his knees.

Another the assassination of Kennedy, both shown far too many times to be simply for information only.

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:05 am

Bruv;1465701 wrote: One of the nightmare images was the execution by pistol to the temple from the Vietnam war of a man on his knees.

Another the assassination of Kennedy, both shown far too many times to be simply for information only.

I've seen stills of both events. The shooting by the South Vietnamese National Police Chief Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan was taken on a news photographer's roll of black-and-white film. I'm quite sure I've never seen any real-time film of Kennedy's assassination either, just a succession of frame prints from bystanders' 8mm recordings. Maybe I failed to watch the appropriate documentaries.

eta: Having gone and checked, I appear to be mistaken.

The photograph was taken on 1 February 1968 in front of VÃµ Suu, a cameraman for NBC, and Eddie Adams, an Associated Press photographer. The photo (captioned "General Nguyen Ngoc Loan executing a Viet Cong prisoner in Saigon") and film would become two of the famous images in contemporary American journalism.

[...] Concerning Loan and his famous photograph, Adams wrote in Time: "The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world".

[...]In 1975, during the fall of Saigon, Loan fled South Vietnam. He moved to the United States, and opened a pizza restaurant in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Burke, Virginia at Rolling Valley Mall called "Les Trois Continents."

Nguyá»…n Ngá»c Loan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

eta2: Could I just add, for the record, that the Viet Cong officer shown in Mr Adams' photograph, Nguyen Van Lem, has ever after been demonized to try to make the summary execution appear reasonable. I offer a couple of relevant links: here and here.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:12 am

OK the other indelible image is the little naked napalm burned girl fleeing out of the smoke into the helping hands of journalists who poured water over her peeled skin.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:45 am

It's like another one that's doing the rounds at the moment of a little girl being mauled to death by a tiger in Delhi Zoo.

If that wasn't sickening enough, what is even more so are the numbers of onlookers who, rather than doing anything to help her, simply surrounded the pit filming everything with their mobile phones as the girl was torn to shreds.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:02 am

Well, I confess to a certain morbid curiosity in the events, though I have yet to seek out the films to view them.

I do not see anything to be gained by watching them.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:59 am

Given some channels were awash with footage of battle to mark the anniversary of the war, what's the difference?

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:09 am

Peter Lake;1465709 wrote: Given some channels were awash with footage of battle to mark the anniversary of the war, what's the difference?

The trick is not to possess a television, of course. It avoids becoming possessed by one.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:25 am

Peter Lake;1465709 wrote: Given some channels were awash with footage of battle to mark the anniversary of the war, what's the difference?

Fair point.

Maybe it feels different because we're presented with so much information about the hostages and their families. We don't know them but perhaps feel as if we do. I feel as if I can relate to the ordinariness of Alan and his family and wouldn't view these videos out of respect to them.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 am

spot;1465711 wrote: The trick is not to possess a television, of course. It avoids becoming possessed by one. No, the trick Is the choice as to whether you select the channel which Is showing battle footage or not.

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:30 am

Oscar Namechange;1465714 wrote: No, the trick Is the choice as to whether you select the channel which Is showing battle footage or not.

You imply those channels are worse than any other. I dispute the suggestion.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:39 am

spot;1465715 wrote: You imply those channels are worse than any other. I dispute the suggestion. You can not possibly comment on hundreds of channels offered to Sky Subscribers as we are when you do not possess a TV set In the first place. That's like me offering an opinion on motor bikes when I have only ever owned a Honda. I don't think you are In any position to comment on the wealth of channels on offer these days.

FG-administator · Post by **FG-administator** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:05 am

You name a post-preschool non-shopping entertainment channel which doesn't depict killing and I'll apologize for my blanket condemnation.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:13 am

FG;1465719 wrote: You name a post-preschool non-shopping entertainment channel which doesn't depict killing and I'll apologize for my blanket condemnation.

Nat Geo wildlife channel on Sky

Full Documentary Discovery Channel Animals Amazing Animal Camouflage NatGeo Wild HD - YouTube

Discovery Channel... Egypt

discovery channel Egypt Uncovered - Age of Gold - YouTube

And of course, the best

http://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/channel/gold/

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:23 am

One more? I could carry on all night but I have other things to do.

Crime and Investigation Channel

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:34 am

I don't really follow the news. Just seeing the photos in passing while browsing online made me feel sick, I can't imagine watching the videos of their deaths.

FourPart;1465704 wrote: It's like another one that's doing the rounds at the moment of a little girl being mauled to death by a tiger in Delhi Zoo.

If that wasn't sickening enough, what is even more so are the numbers of onlookers who, rather than doing anything to help her, simply surrounded the pit filming everything with their mobile phones as the girl was torn to shreds.

I do however see a lot of animal related stories in my facebook feed and this one escaped me. The reason I didn't recognize it was because it was a male teen that jumped into the tiger exhibit at the New Delhi Zoo click. Sorry for my callousness but if you enter a large predator's area, you should be prepared for an attack. And I sure as hell wouldn't jump in the exhibit to save the fool that thought they'd give a tiger a little pat.

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:50 am

Oscar Namechange;1465721 wrote: One more? I could carry on all night but I have other things to do.

Crime and Investigation Channel

We obviously speak different languages. what does "killing" mean in yours? What does "depict" mean?

In what way is there no depicted killing in this "Crime and Investigation Channel" of which you speak? or on your National Geographic Wildlife channel, which must be rife with it. Your UK Comedy Gold channel page says it runs Blackadder, for example - are you really unaware that Blackadder depicts killings? Or does oh it's only animals, or oh it's only re-enactments, or oh it's only for fun, magically make these depictions of killing something other than depictions of killing.

I didn't click your Youtube link. I never do on principle.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:00 am

Peter Lake;1465709 wrote: Given some channels were awash with footage of battle to mark the anniversary of the war, what's the difference?

Are you seriously comparing the nightly "Targeted Bombing" videos on TV News with the decapitation videos ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:08 am

Bruv;1465726 wrote: Are you seriously comparing the nightly "Targeted Bombing" videos on TV News with the decapitation videos ? Try reading the title of the thread... he was talking about footage of WW11 bombings and the bombing of IS compounds.... no difference.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:17 am

Oscar Namechange;1465727 wrote: Try reading the title of the thread... he was talking about footage of WW11 bombings and the bombing of IS compounds.... no difference.

The title of the thread refers to beheading.

Having taken part in a few of those, I can affirm that a beheading is far more gruesome than an areal view of planes dropping bombs.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:24 am

LarsMac;1465728 wrote: The title of the thread refers to beheading.

Having taken part in a few of those, I can affirm that a beheading is far more gruesome than an areal view of planes dropping bombs.

My sincere apologies for it was i who misread the title of the thread.

It is I.S. who are posting the footage on twitter. Naturally, this is going to be copied onto other sites. I think it's entirely up to those who stumble across it if they click play or not. Myself, i watched Henning's beheading video posted by I.S. I can at least glean from the video that he died a hero without fuss. In some way, not sure how, that gives some very small comfort in a revolting deed.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:09 pm

I won't watch someone beheaded unless it is in a fictional movie.

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:53 pm

AnneBoleyn;1465737 wrote: I won't watch someone beheaded unless it is in a fictional movie.

How does it being in a fictional movie make it any less appalling?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:56 pm

spot;1465745 wrote: How does it being in a fictional movie make it any less appalling?

Duhhh--because it's fake, silly. Graphics, computers, artists. No human was hurt in the making of the scene.

Post by **spot** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:04 pm

AnneBoleyn;1465746 wrote: Duhhh--because it's fake, silly. Graphics, computers, artists. No human was hurt in the making of the scene.

It's because it's faked for profit that I find it worse than the real event. It desensitizes millions of viewers to the act just as all fictional killings desensitize the viewing public. People should vomit uncontrollably when they see a fictional gun fired at an actor who pretends to die, that's how normal people should react to such a sight. They don't vomit, they're used to it, killing bores them now unless it's done spectacularly with fireballs and car crashes.

Fictional desensitizing killings are the sole reason that millions of Muslims have died in the Middle East over the last third of a century, and you're bothered about a few miserable beheadings. How on earth you expect asymmetrical warfare to be conducted I have no idea. Western planes kill and kill and kill at long distance and nobody so much as notices. Someone slits a throat on video and everybody howls in unison. The world has turned upside down.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:48 pm

I was talking about such movies as "Lord of the Rings". I don't go in for "Chainsaw Massacre" types. Quality movies have not desensitized me in the least, I know what's real & what's not. The history of humanity is one of brutality, violence & senseless killings, well, senseless to me anyway. In the crusades the Christians used beheaded heads as cannonballs. I bet you know that. Our species is a dangerous one, we kill for the sake of killing.

I don't demand that my entertainment contain horrific violence, & when it does I scream, shudder & many times close my eyes.

Oh the humanity! (Herb Morrison, reporting on the Hindenburg.)

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:56 pm

theia;1465697 wrote: Would you, or have you viewed these videos?

I haven't and don't wish to see them.

I'd like to know why people do.

No I wouldn't even entertain the thought of taking a look and I don't understand why people would willingly want to either. Bizarre. Sick.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:13 pm

Oscar Namechange;1465727 wrote: Try reading the title of the thread... he was talking about footage of WW11 bombings and the bombing of IS compounds.... no difference.

Who am I talking to now?

Who's post was I answering?

And begging whoever it is I am talking to re-read your blooming self.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:12 pm

FG;1465719 wrote: You name a post-preschool non-shopping entertainment channel which doesn't depict killing and I'll apologize for my blanket condemnation.

I've offered you 5 post pre-school non shopping channels out of hundreds available... where's this apology then ?

Post by **spot** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:32 am

Oscar Namechange;1465759 wrote: I've offered you 5 post pre-school non shopping channels out of hundreds available... where's this apology then ?

All the channels you offered depict killing. Which I said, and as usual you skated over as though I hadn't spoken.

We obviously speak different languages. what does "killing" mean in yours? What does "depict" mean?

In what way is there no depicted killing in this "Crime and Investigation Channel" of which you speak? or on your National Geographic Wildlife channel, which must be rife with it. Your UK Comedy Gold channel page says it runs Blackadder, for example - are you really unaware that Blackadder depicts killings? Or does oh it's only animals, or oh it's only re-enactments, or oh it's only for fun, magically make these depictions of killing something other than depictions of killing.

I didn't click your Youtube link. I never do on principle.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:26 am

Sorry but who am I replying to now ? Spot/Bryn/FG ? Some consistency would be helpful.

A Grizzly Bear catching a salmon Is hardly In the context of this thread and your argument. I suspect you know that.

There are hundreds of Channels available now on Freeview and Sky. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the Art channel depicts killing because old Mr Painter may depict the odd field that once saw battle ?

There are hundreds of channels and I certainly don't have the time for your ridiculous notion. How about this? You prove that every one of the 600 channels available has killing on some sort...

Sky Guide TV Listings - Sky

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:18 pm

theia;1465697 wrote: Would you, or have you viewed these videos?

I haven't and don't wish to see them.

I'd like to know why people do.

To me if possible we should see just what we are talking about.

I did watch the murder of Denial Pearl which was way beyond what I imagined.

I watched other beheadings. Gives me no pleasure or entertainment value, just fascinated by who the murderer intended to impress?

It is a most gawd awful spectacle.

Turn your eyes if you want, but it is a circus with wagons loaded they intend to bring to a town near you.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:56 pm

Denial Pearl?? Please tell me that's an honest mistake.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:16 pm

AnneBoleyn;1465793 wrote: Denial Pearl?? Please tell me that's an honest mistake.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Of course it was a mistake and to his memory I apologize.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:30 pm

tude dog;1465795 wrote: Thank you for pointing that out.

Of course it was a mistake and to his memory I apologize.

I thought so. Thanks.

teacherlady · Post by **teacherlady** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:25 pm

I haven't watched. Honestly because I am selfish. I feel it could change me and it scares me.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:52 am

LarsMac;1465706 wrote: Well, I confess to a certain morbid curiosity in the events, though I have yet to seek out the films to view them.

I do not see anything to be gained by watching them.

I learned a while ago, and the internet re-enforced this lesson, that things cannot be unread, unlearned, or unseen.. And there are things, to my surprise having thought myself a worldly and wise person, that are so shocking that I hadn't conceived of them.

I guard myself carefully to make sure that I both stay informed, and do not compromise what's left of my innocence and wonder.

So, no, I have not watched those videos nor will I.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:24 am

Saint_;1465858 wrote: I learned a while ago, and the internet re-enforced this lesson, that things cannot be unread, unlearned, or unseen.. And there are things, to my surprise having thought myself a worldly and wise person, that are so shocking that I hadn't conceived of them.

I guard myself carefully to make sure that I both stay informed, and do not compromise what's left of my innocence and wonder.

So, no, I have not watched those videos nor will I.
Ditto

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:10 pm

Saint_;1465858 wrote: I learned a while ago, and the internet re-enforced this lesson, that things cannot be unread, unlearned, or unseen.. And there are things, to my surprise having thought myself a worldly and wise person, that are so shocking that I hadn't conceived of them.

I guard myself carefully to make sure that I both stay informed, and do not compromise what's left of my innocence and wonder.

So, no, I have not watched those videos nor will I.

Well, I take a different view in that I balance my love of life and nature with the cruel realities of our existence.

We can look away.

I need to see so to remind myself.