Minister 'will look at women-only train carriages' - ITV News
Oscar rant alert. :-5
Don't get me wrong, any method to stop a young woman being groped or seriously sexually assaulted Is a good thing, but again, this mindless government Is papering over the cracks.
The amount of assaults on trains surely Is a direct result of cuts to public sector.? Today, you can get on a train, even at times when Millwall are playing away and not see one guard. It's you and the driver.
How about tackling the circumstances that lead to an Increase In women being attacked on trains?. Ie Having guards on the train patrolling carriages as we used to before Gordon Brown and his government went on a massive spending spree with the countries credit cards leading to these cuts.
What this proposal suggests, Is that millions of women must change the way they live their lives and the freedom of choice to travel as they wish simply because no-one Is actually addressing the cause rather than the effect.
Women only Carriages ?
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I dunno. A simpler solution is to arm women with small caliber handguns (With proper training, of course) and license them to pop a cap at any male who puts his hands (or any other body part) where they do not belong. Extra points are awarded for disabling the offending body part.
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1. What proportion of women are victims?
2. What proportions of women use Public Transport?
I imagine the latter in greatly larger than the former.
You may as well have carriages only for people who have dogs with them. At least there, the number of people affected would be far greater.
And what if the proposal were also made to have Men Only Carriages? Oh, that would be blatant Sexual Discrimination.
2. What proportions of women use Public Transport?
I imagine the latter in greatly larger than the former.
You may as well have carriages only for people who have dogs with them. At least there, the number of people affected would be far greater.
And what if the proposal were also made to have Men Only Carriages? Oh, that would be blatant Sexual Discrimination.
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FourPart;1465953 wrote: 1. What proportion of women are victims?
2. What proportions of women use Public Transport?
I imagine the latter in greatly larger than the former.
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Sexual assaults on public transport hit a 10-year high last year, with an "alarming" 60 per cent more assaults reported than a decade ago.
Read more: Alarming 60% jump in sexual assaults on public transport
Are you suggesting that we analyse stats so we can say ' oh It's ok, the figures are quite low so let's not bother eh?
2. What proportions of women use Public Transport?
I imagine the latter in greatly larger than the former.
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Sexual assaults on public transport hit a 10-year high last year, with an "alarming" 60 per cent more assaults reported than a decade ago.
Read more: Alarming 60% jump in sexual assaults on public transport
Are you suggesting that we analyse stats so we can say ' oh It's ok, the figures are quite low so let's not bother eh?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Namechange;1465962 wrote: Sexual assaults on public transport hit a 10-year high last year, with an "alarming" 60 per cent more assaults reported than a decade ago.
Read more: Alarming 60% jump in sexual assaults on public transport
Are you suggesting that we analyse stats so we can say ' oh It's ok, the figures are quite low so let's not bother eh?
What an alarming article.
So 268 reported cases. Of course, look at the chart and it tells another story. The actual rise in the last year was far less dramatic. But, as FourPart mentioned, what are these stats, compared to the population of riders?
I cannot say that making grand-scale changes to the system are warranted for what I suspect to actually be a relatively small number of incidents.
I agree with you. Attacking the cause is the best way to fix the problem.
Men need to be taught how to behave. If Mum cannot do it, them perhaps someone else must.
Read more: Alarming 60% jump in sexual assaults on public transport
Are you suggesting that we analyse stats so we can say ' oh It's ok, the figures are quite low so let's not bother eh?
What an alarming article.
So 268 reported cases. Of course, look at the chart and it tells another story. The actual rise in the last year was far less dramatic. But, as FourPart mentioned, what are these stats, compared to the population of riders?
I cannot say that making grand-scale changes to the system are warranted for what I suspect to actually be a relatively small number of incidents.
I agree with you. Attacking the cause is the best way to fix the problem.
Men need to be taught how to behave. If Mum cannot do it, them perhaps someone else must.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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LarsMac;1465965 wrote: What an alarming article.
So 268 reported cases. Of course, look at the chart and it tells another story. The actual rise in the last year was far less dramatic. But, as FourPart mentioned, what are these stats, compared to the population of riders?
I cannot say that making grand-scale changes to the system are warranted for what I suspect to actually be a relatively small number of incidents.
I agree with you. Attacking the cause is the best way to fix the problem.
Men need to be taught how to behave. If Mum cannot do it, them perhaps someone else must.
I do believe that women need to be aware and take precautions but having said that, we have had cases where women have been groped In a carriage full of passengers.
Women do have to travel by train. Many women commute Into London for work and this can see a situation on trains where the woman may have no choice but to sit In a carriage alone because of lack of passengers. That's also to do with some networks being privatised and them charging extortionate rates for rail travel.
However, I think the proposal for women only carriages Is Inpracticle. The problem Is clearly lack of guards on trains due to public sector cut backs. I have been on trains where we just had a driver. Trains will stop at a variety of rail stations on route and there Is nothing to stop men switching carriages on those stops given the lack of staff and guards. Also, most of our trains are Inter-connected. This Is why on long journeys, I struggle to get back to my Carriage and seat carrying a cup of coffee that I've had to go through 6 carriages to get to the Buffet Car. If any man Is hell bent on seeking out a woman on a train at night, he can just do the same.
So 268 reported cases. Of course, look at the chart and it tells another story. The actual rise in the last year was far less dramatic. But, as FourPart mentioned, what are these stats, compared to the population of riders?
I cannot say that making grand-scale changes to the system are warranted for what I suspect to actually be a relatively small number of incidents.
I agree with you. Attacking the cause is the best way to fix the problem.
Men need to be taught how to behave. If Mum cannot do it, them perhaps someone else must.
I do believe that women need to be aware and take precautions but having said that, we have had cases where women have been groped In a carriage full of passengers.
Women do have to travel by train. Many women commute Into London for work and this can see a situation on trains where the woman may have no choice but to sit In a carriage alone because of lack of passengers. That's also to do with some networks being privatised and them charging extortionate rates for rail travel.
However, I think the proposal for women only carriages Is Inpracticle. The problem Is clearly lack of guards on trains due to public sector cut backs. I have been on trains where we just had a driver. Trains will stop at a variety of rail stations on route and there Is nothing to stop men switching carriages on those stops given the lack of staff and guards. Also, most of our trains are Inter-connected. This Is why on long journeys, I struggle to get back to my Carriage and seat carrying a cup of coffee that I've had to go through 6 carriages to get to the Buffet Car. If any man Is hell bent on seeking out a woman on a train at night, he can just do the same.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Women only Carriages ?
Obviously any number of assaults is inacceptable. That much, I think is set in stone. However, it think it also must be accepted that it happens, it has always happened, and probably always will happen. This is not an excuse, by any means.
As with anything, though, statistics themselves can be (and usually are) misconstrued, according to how the individual wants to interpret them. For instance, a increased percentage of reported assaults doesn't necessarily mean that there have been an increase in assaults. The actual number of assaults may even have dropped. The statistic actually refers to how many have been reported. This is something that is bound to happen as people are now encouraged more & more to actually report incidents, rather than feeling embarrased about doing so or blaming themselves. Even if the actual number remains static, if twice as many report the incident, then the increase would be 100%. Obviously, the actual number of attacks is probably much, much higher.
However, my point was that out of a train with, say, 5 carriages, each containing, say 50 people - total, 250 people, 125 (50%) might be women. Now, if even as many as 5% of those women were to feel sufficiently threatened, so as to feel the need for a gender specific carriage, that would leave the carriage with 6 women on it, increasing the number of people in the other carriages to about 61, instead of the previous 50.
It's similar to something I've observed on the local commuters train, stopping at all stations. It has a total of 5 carriages & is always packed during rush hour, with standing room only. However, the 1st Class one is always empty. It's something that never seemed practical to me. Inter-City ones might be a different matter, but not for local ones. I know the Underground doesn't have 1st Class, but I think the scenario is similar.
As with anything, though, statistics themselves can be (and usually are) misconstrued, according to how the individual wants to interpret them. For instance, a increased percentage of reported assaults doesn't necessarily mean that there have been an increase in assaults. The actual number of assaults may even have dropped. The statistic actually refers to how many have been reported. This is something that is bound to happen as people are now encouraged more & more to actually report incidents, rather than feeling embarrased about doing so or blaming themselves. Even if the actual number remains static, if twice as many report the incident, then the increase would be 100%. Obviously, the actual number of attacks is probably much, much higher.
However, my point was that out of a train with, say, 5 carriages, each containing, say 50 people - total, 250 people, 125 (50%) might be women. Now, if even as many as 5% of those women were to feel sufficiently threatened, so as to feel the need for a gender specific carriage, that would leave the carriage with 6 women on it, increasing the number of people in the other carriages to about 61, instead of the previous 50.
It's similar to something I've observed on the local commuters train, stopping at all stations. It has a total of 5 carriages & is always packed during rush hour, with standing room only. However, the 1st Class one is always empty. It's something that never seemed practical to me. Inter-City ones might be a different matter, but not for local ones. I know the Underground doesn't have 1st Class, but I think the scenario is similar.
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It's only ever happened to me once. I was alone In a carriage late at night coming home from work, from Bognor Regis to Worthing. The train was deserted and I was alone In the carriage.. a lot younger then. A man approached me asking for money. If my memory serves me correctly, my words were ' I'm tired, I've had the day from hell, I have a splitting headache and worse for you chum, I have my period. You have 5 seconds to **** off or I'll swing you off the platform by your ball sac'.... he left Immediately.... but then I am a delicate little flower.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon