police marksmen take out two cows.. the AA grumpy column

AA grumpy · Post by **AA grumpy** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:08 am

welcome to another AA grumpy column

norfolk police deployed armed marksmen and a police helicopter to hunt down three dangerous escapees two of whom were shot after a seven hour stand off sounds like something out of the sweeney doesnt it but the three felons were in fact three cows who escaped from a livestock market

A pair of escaped cows have been shot dead during a seven-hour stand-off with armed police.

A helicopter was scrambled to hunt a third animal who also escaped from Norwich Livestock Market as cattle was loaded on to a lorry.

It was agreed with their owner that the animals would be shot in the "interests of public safety", Norfolk Police said.

Officers were unable to stun the animals as they charged anyone who came near them. It was also claimed using drugs to put them to sleep would have taken too long.

The third escaped cow who managed to evade capture by a police helicopter - was found dead in nearby woodland at around midnight.

The search and capture effort was hampered by a huge lightning storm and police were adamant they had no choice but to shoot the cattle.

A Norfolk Police spokesman said: "Police received reports from members of the public of a cow loose on the A140 Ipswich Road of Norwich, in area of the Holiday Inn, at about 5pm on Saturday, October 10.

"A short while later it was established that a further two cows were also free in the road.

"Despite the best efforts of police officers, and in fading light, they were unable to calm the creatures which were becoming increasingly distressed and erratic in their behaviour.

"In the interests of public safety, once police had consulted with the farmer who owned the animals, the pair were destroyed by trained firearms officers."

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, criticised the actions of police and called for a criminal investigation into the owner of the cows.

A PETA spokesman told the Daily Telegraph: "Usually, where there's a will, there's a way to round up frightened cows without the use of lethal force.

"Although it may sometimes be appropriate for dangerous situations involving animals, questions must be answered about how these cows came to be loose on a public highway, a situation dangerous not only for drivers but also for the cows, who ended up as the victims.

"Three animals, who likely spent the last hours of their lives terrified by helicopters and police vehicles, are dead, and if the farmer is found to have been negligent, he should be punished to the full extent of the law."

Chloe Smith, MP for Norwich North, said: "People in Norwich have mixed reactions because it was, to say the least, surreal.

"It's really not obvious what was the right thing for the farmer and the police to do other than keep the road safe and act as quickly and humanely as possible."

Two escaped cows shot dead by police after 7 HOUR stand-off while third hunted by helicopter - Mirror Online

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surreal is that the only way they can describe it?

what about the waste of public funds scrambling a police helicopter and trained marksmen to hunt down three cows

PETA which means people for ethical treatment of animals which itself was investigated for the murder of animals in the US claim the farmer should be punished to the full extent of the law but how can a farmer halt half a ton of cow intent on escape especially if there are three of them or will he just claim on the insurance hence the reason they were shot by the police.

if the farmer was even given an option of trying to recapture the beasts alive.

but talk about over kill a police helicopter and marksman to capture three cows and one of which was found dead in a wood around midnight is that surreal? how did it end up there and how much this entire operation has cost the public purse.

no doubt the police will want to forget this embarassing incident and sweep it under the carpet

the cows will end up as dog food the farmer gets a big fat cheque the police marksmen had a live target to shoot and everyone goes home happy except the poor cows ...bootifull

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:12 am

The good news is, nobody got hurt.

Nothing funny about an excited thousand pound beast running around town, or on the streets.

So these animals missed their appointment at the slaughterhouse. As long the animals were butchered and put to good use the only downside is to the rancher who most likely lost money.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:06 am

Many years ago, when I lived In West Sussex, 3 cars were Involved In a collision late at night when horses broke through fencing and spooked, running onto the By Pass at Shoreham By Sea. In the dark, they had no chance and all 3 drivers died at the scene. Young men also, one a local, very popular taxi driver.

Sorry but as bad as It sounds, It has to be done.

Police Marksman are not taking pot shots, It would probably have been quite humane... far more humane than having their throats slit without being stunned first In some grotesque religious slaughter house.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:21 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466141 wrote: ......................far more humane than having their throats slit without being stunned first In some grotesque religious slaughter house.

Fantastic use of every chance to get your point across...............Give yourself a star

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:25 pm

Bruv;1466144 wrote: Fantastic use of every chance to get your point across...............Give yourself a star You read what you want to read because In your little world, that's a feeling of one upmanship. Always on the defensive... Yawn

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:38 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466146 wrote: You read what you want to read because In your little world, that's a feeling of one upmanship. Always on the defensive... Yawn

That's a nonsensical reply with no relation to the words written down for all to see........award yourself another star.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:49 pm

Bruv;1466147 wrote: That's a nonsensical reply with no relation to the words written down for all to see........award yourself another star.

And your trolling trashes another thread.

Yet, I know I am right. One bullet to the brain Is more humane that non stun slaughter houses who happen to be religious slaughter houses... but for all you know, I could have been thinking of Kosher... but no, Bruv to the rescue once again for those Muslims because Bruv high and mighty thinks he can read something between the lines every time to stir up another thread.

You get on with It on your own.

AA grumpy · Post by **AA grumpy** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:40 pm

what about the point of cost to the public purse and dont you think scrambling a helicopter

and police marksmen rather excessive like a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

my thoughts go out to those 3 unfortunate bovine who were needlessly killed as they were

also milk cows and are of no use to the human food chain only as pet food.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:51 pm

AA grumpy;1466149 wrote: what about the point of cost to the public purse and dont you think scrambling a helicopter

and police marksmen rather excessive like a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

my thoughts go out to those 3 unfortunate bovine who were needlessly killed as they were

also milk cows and are of no use to the human food chain only as pet food.
Yes, It's a sad loss of life but the police are not running around taking pot shots at straying cattle.

I had a situation myself very recently where a stray horse had got out of It's field Into a country road. I take the journey most mornings on my school run and I knew exactly who's horse It was holding up all the traffick. The police were there and I just got out of the cab and told them I knew exactly where It had come from and led It back to It's field... no fuss, panic over.

It happens all the time In the countryside but police will only scramble If the loose cattle or horse Is dangerously near a main road or motorway. They have no choice In order to stop a pile up on a motorway. If those cows are headed dangerously near a motor way, they have to do what they have to do.

Misuse of helicopter? No... If the cattle are rampaging through fields toward a main road, helicopter Is by far the best method of tracking them. If they chased them In squad cars or even on foot, they stand more chance of spooking the cattle and driving them to run faster. How can a squad car give chase through fields and hedges?

A helicopter can alert police on the ground to seal off roads, If life Is In danger,

AA grumpy · Post by **AA grumpy** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:27 pm

hm i agree with your point oscar old bean like you say its a sad loss of life

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:07 pm

AA grumpy;1466149 wrote: what about the point of cost to the public purse and dont you think scrambling a helicopter

As I understand it, pilots need to fly to maintain their certificate. Then consider, what use is an expensive machine if it is never used?

AA grumpy;1466149 wrote: and police marksmen rather excessive like a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

I was amused about "police marksmen". But then what are they suppose to call their best shots?

This reminds me of a cattle truck which overturned near my home. I posted about this on this site.

AA grumpy;1466149 wrote: my thoughts go out to those 3 unfortunate bovine who were needlessly killed as they were

also milk cows and are of no use to the human food chain only as pet food.

weep weep weep

I own two dogs who, if I decline would more than happy to eat cow meat.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:44 pm

tude dog;1466162 wrote: As I understand it, pilots need to fly to maintain their certificate. Then consider, what use is an expensive machine if it is never used?

I was amused about "police marksmen". But then what are they suppose to call their best shots?

This reminds me of a cattle truck which overturned near my home. I posted about this on this site.

weep weep weep

I own two dogs who, if I decline would more than happy to eat cow meat.

I'm curious. Why can't a Milk Cow also be used for meat (and I don't mean at the same time). Surely a cow's a cow?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:28 am

FourPart;1466173 wrote: I'm curious. Why can't a Milk Cow also be used for meat (and I don't mean at the same time). Surely a cow's a cow?

No It's not.... exactly the same as the difference between a race horse on a high protein diet and a grazer out In the field eating grass.

Milk cows are thinner where as beef stock are far bulkier.

What is the difference between a beef cow and a dairy cow

Back to police helicopters. We get them round here a lot thinking about It. Late at night, we call It the Scroatcopter where police are using thermal Imaging are tracking someone. They also come out for all sorts of reasons.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:37 am

We gets loads of helicopters round here. With the Police Training College just up the road, an Army base over the river, the Coastguard, on the flight path to the Southampton Hospital from the Hants & IoW Air Ambulance, as well as quite a few Executive Private Charters from Southampton (Eastleigh) Airport.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:56 am

Oscar Namechange;1466175 wrote: No It's not.... exactly the same as the difference between a race horse on a high protein diet and a grazer out In the field eating grass.

Milk cows are thinner where as beef stock are far bulkier.

Still, there is nothing wrong with eating a milk cow. It is a matter of taste and marketability.

Come November 8th my county will be flooded with hunters seeking to harvest animals which fit the description "high protein diet and a grazer out In the field eating grass."

What is the difference between a beef cow and a dairy cow

Oscar Namechange;1466175 wrote: Back to police helicopters. We get them round here a lot thinking about It. Late at night, we call It the Scroatcopter where police are using thermal Imaging are tracking someone. They also come out for all sorts of reasons.

I remember living in a place where police helicopters seemed to be frequent. Moved but helicopters were just less frequent.

It is a relief to me that now the only plane in the sky is a crop duster.

AA grumpy · Post by **AA grumpy** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:07 pm

unlike you americans here in england we are not all gun toteting everythings got to be bigger than anyone else.. adrenalin fueled machomen p.s we have farmers not ranchers

please take your eloquisms back across the pond LOL

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:37 pm

AA grumpy;1466197 wrote: unlike you americans here in england we are not all gun toteting everythings got to be bigger than anyone else.. adrenalin fueled machomen p.s we have farmers not ranchers

please take your eloquisms back across the pond LOL

LOL

Touch a nerve, did I ?

Anyway.

I can't speak for my neighbors of which some raise animals, some farm crops and others do both. Then there are others like me who depend on them for jobs. Lest I forget, it is people like my neighbors who grow/raise food for us all.

It would be really nice if you directed your comments to the subject rather than a Hail Mary across the pond.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:43 pm

I'm really sorry to see hostility toward Americans. We come in all different sizes, shapes, colors, political stripes. I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find someone/something to your liking.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:13 pm

I've always found it strange that we Brits tend to be so finickity about what meat we eat. After all, if you take the recent Horse Meat scandal, you could take the other view. If you were to purchase Chevalle Steak (as is popular on the continent - furthermore, we export it to them) it would cost a lot more than Beef Steak would so, therefore, by betting horsemeat in your ready meals, you were actually getting a bargain.

I've also eaten Kangaroo & Ostrich meat - both of which were very nice, yet it's probably the majority of the British Public that couldn't bring themselves to eat them. Then, of course, there's the Korean delicacy of Dog - and why not?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:17 pm

Dogs are our pets. How desperate must one be to eat a pet? There is a restaurant nearby which serves ostrich & either kangaroo or I think some other meat. I was meaning to try it, but I've been forgetting for years now. Guess I don't want it that badly. I had chevalle when I was in Paris in 1969. I did just to try it, but it wasn't so fabulous that I had to have it again.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:28 pm

AA grumpy;1466197 wrote: unlike you americans here in england we are not all gun toteting everythings got to be bigger than anyone else.. adrenalin fueled machomen p.s we have farmers not ranchers

please take your eloquisms back across the pond LOL

That reminds me of that joke...

The English Farmer Is showing American Tourists around his farm. One American says ' you call this a ranch ??? Why, back home In Texas, It takes me 7 days just to drive one end to the other. The English Farmer replies ' Yeah, I had a car like that once.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:36 pm

Many people keep Fish, yet we still eat Fish.

What about Rabbit? Although Rabbit has gone somewhat out of fashion, it's still eaten on a regular basis, and Rabbits are kept as pets.

There are those that keep Pot Bellied Pigs as pets.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:49 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466224 wrote: That reminds me of that joke...

The English Farmer Is showing American Tourists around his farm. One American says ' you call this a ranch ??? Why, back home In Texas, It takes me 7 days just to drive one end to the other. The English Farmer replies ' Yeah, I had a car like that once.

I know that joke. There used to be a saying "Everything's bigger in Texas." Must have been started by a Texan.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:52 pm

FourPart;1466227 wrote: Many people keep Fish, yet we still eat Fish.

What about Rabbit? Although Rabbit has gone somewhat out of fashion, it's still eaten on a regular basis, and Rabbits are kept as pets.

There are those that keep Pot Bellied Pigs as pets.

Well, you can't hug a fish. I knew a Rabbit farmer, but her rabbits weren't her pets. Besides, rabbits don't talk to you. Pot bellied pigs are supposedly smarter than dogs & also kept as pets, not food.

eta----also, the fish we keep are very small, not game fish. They are too small to be bait fish. No one keeps a salmon or cod, etc. as "pets."

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:00 pm

Koi Carp are certainly of edible size - and being carp they are edible.

Besides - no animals 'talk' to you - that's just anthromorphising.

You can cuddle lambs - nice & cute fluffy little lambs - served with mint sauce.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:02 pm

In my fish tank, we have a big black bottom feeder cat fish with a big mouth... he's called Nick Griffin

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:16 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466242 wrote: In my fish tank, we have a big black bottom feeder cat fish with a big mouth... he's called Nick Griffin
ROFL - I like it.

AA grumpy · Post by **AA grumpy** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:27 pm

AnneBoleyn;1466201 wrote: I'm really sorry to see hostility toward Americans. We come in all different sizes, shapes, colors, political stripes. I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find someone/something to your liking.

ha ha no the only american i have any hostility towards is obarmy trying with own dippy david cam..moron

to instigate ww3 with russia if he keeps on poking the bear the bear will bite his arse sorry ..ass

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:50 am

FourPart;1466240 wrote:

Besides - no animals 'talk' to you - that's just anthromorphising.

I meant one on one communication between different species; forming attachments with one another.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:15 am

FourPart;1466217 wrote: I've always found it strange that we Brits tend to be so finickity about what meat we eat. After all, if you take the recent Horse Meat scandal, you could take the other view. If you were to purchase Chevalle Steak (as is popular on the continent - furthermore, we export it to them) it would cost a lot more than Beef Steak would so, therefore, by betting horsemeat in your ready meals, you were actually getting a bargain.

I've also eaten Kangaroo & Ostrich meat - both of which were very nice, yet it's probably the majority of the British Public that couldn't bring themselves to eat them. Then, of course, there's the Korean delicacy of Dog - and why not?

Not in a position where I can comment from personal experince but my understanding that the meat from animals that predate on others is not as good to eat as that from animals that are vegetarian. They are what they eat so corn fed chicken is very different in taste from a free range one, wild venison is better than farmed venison wild salmon is better than fat idle farmed salmon fed on fish pellets and etc etc.

I wouldn't imagine dog is good to eat but I have no particular intention of finding out. I don't want to taste bull's testicles or sheeps eyeballs either.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:34 am

gmc;1466266 wrote: Not in a position where I can comment from personal experince but my understanding that the meat from animals that predate on others is not as good to eat as that from animals that are vegetarian. They are what they eat so corn fed chicken is very different in taste from a free range one, wild venison is better than farmed venison wild salmon is better than fat idle farmed salmon fed on fish pellets and etc etc.

I wouldn't imagine dog is good to eat but I have no particular intention of finding out. I don't want to taste bull's testicles or sheeps eyeballs either. Very true.

I am a very fussy meat eater. I don't eat anything that Is the product of a hunt or pointless ie Quail. I go to great pains now to ensure all my meat Is British slaughtered and shop a lot more these days at local farm shops.

But... If It's got a shell, I'll eat It.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:19 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466269 wrote: But... If It's got a shell, I'll eat It.
Mmmm - roast tortoise.

Personally I've got no qualms at all about what I eat. Waste not, want not. Even road kill. If it's in good enough condition, why let it go to waste?

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:32 pm

gmc;1466266 wrote: Not in a position where I can comment from personal experince but my understanding that the meat from animals that predate on others is not as good to eat as that from animals that are vegetarian. They are what they eat so corn fed chicken is very different in taste from a free range one, wild venison is better than farmed venison wild salmon is better than fat idle farmed salmon fed on fish pellets and etc etc.

I wouldn't imagine dog is good to eat but I have no particular intention of finding out. I don't want to taste bull's testicles or sheeps eyeballs either.

Anyone who's country can claim Haggis as a dish has got nothing to say about what's edible.

As for Bull's testicles, I reckon they are actually more correctly referred to as Steers' testicles by the time you would eat them.

Around here we call them Rocky Mountain Oysters, and they are quite tasty.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:13 am

I love haggis. Very nutritious as well. High in protein & higher still in fibre.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:15 am

I adore Haggis... We always have one at Christmas and for me, It;s a real treat with some neeps and tats.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:01 pm

Just shows to go ya.

As Uncle Patrice used to say, "Ain't no accountin' for taste."

(his usual comment when people turned their nose up at his Crawfish and possum Gumbo)

Y'all can keep your Haggis, we'll keep our Oysters.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:23 pm

LarsMac;1466353 wrote: Just shows to go ya.

As Uncle Patrice used to say, "Ain't no accountin' for taste."

(his usual comment when people turned their nose up at his Crawfish and possum Gumbo)

Y'all can keep your Haggis, we'll keep our Oysters. O'll pass on the Possum but I'll take your Crawfish.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:29 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466356 wrote: O'll pass on the Possum but I'll take your Crawfish.

Yeah, I was never much for possum, either, but I was always ready for his Gumbo.

When I was about twelve, Uncle Patrice let me in on a little secret, though. There was no possum in his Crawfish and Possum Gumbo. The name did turn away the meek, and left more for the rest of us.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:47 am

LarsMac;1466362 wrote: Yeah, I was never much for possum, either, but I was always ready for his Gumbo.

When I was about twelve, Uncle Patrice let me in on a little secret, though. There was no possum in his Crawfish and Possum Gumbo. The name did turn away the meek, and left more for the rest of us.

I had Cajun Gumbo when In the USA.... love It !!

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:50 am

I've often heard the term 'Gumbo', but never been too certain as to what it is. I had a look at the Wiki on it, and even that seems a bit vague, what with so many variations. Am I right in thinking that it's essentially just a sort of stew consisting of what the local culture deems fit?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:58 am

FourPart;1466380 wrote: I've often heard the term 'Gumbo', but never been too certain as to what it is. I had a look at the Wiki on it, and even that seems a bit vague, what with so many variations. Am I right in thinking that it's essentially just a sort of stew consisting of what the local culture deems fit?

There are many varieties depending on what you add... I had Cajun Prawn Gumbo In the States and It was to die for.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:25 am

FourPart;1466380 wrote: I've often heard the term 'Gumbo', but never been too certain as to what it is. I had a look at the Wiki on it, and even that seems a bit vague, what with so many variations. Am I right in thinking that it's essentially just a sort of stew consisting of what the local culture deems fit?

Gumbo gets in name from the African word for Okra.

It is a stew made with a variety of meats.

The basic recipe my family has always used, is to start with Onions, Sweet Peppers, and celery, saute' in butter, stir in the meat, then add water or stock, and simmer. We boil shrimp and crawfish, shell them and use the shells for stock, and add that meat and the Okra, season and let simmer for a while. The Okra will mostly dissolve and become a thickening agent.

There are all sorts of variations and you can add whatever meat suits your tastes. I generally prefer seafood and a spicy sausage, like Andouille, or Mexican Chorizo.

IF you don't like the texture of Okra, you can thicken it with a Roux or a cornstarch type thickener, or use File' Gumbo (made from Sassafras)

Gumbo is usually served over Rice.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:41 am

My Grandad used to make a gorgeous stew. He'd make it in the usual way, then add a couple of spoons of Cornflour as a thickener. It look like Gumbo does the same sort of thing.

I just looked up Okra on Wiki - it's got a lovely flower.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:47 pm

My Turkish pals use Okra all the time... I really don't like It... there's an art to cooking It or It goes slimy.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:20 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466401 wrote: ....there's an art to cooking It or It goes slimy.

No OR about it.......it goes slimey, it is slimey, slimey is the point of it.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:25 pm

Bruv;1466404 wrote: No OR about it.......it goes slimey, it is slimey, slimey is the point of it.
Not something I would like then. I hate slimy.

I remember Pork Pies used to have loads of slimy jelly in them, and I used to hate them for that very reason. Now that there's very little jelly in them (be it by legislation or not, I don't know) I love them. The same goes for Oysters (which the idea of eating live turns me anyway) or Jellied Eels. Slimy = Yeeuch.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:19 pm

FourPart;1466409 wrote: Not something I would like then. I hate slimy.

I remember Pork Pies used to have loads of slimy jelly in them, and I used to hate them for that very reason. Now that there's very little jelly in them (be it by legislation or not, I don't know) I love them. The same goes for Oysters (which the idea of eating live turns me anyway) or Jellied Eels. Slimy = Yeeuch.

You can use Okra without them becoming slimy. Bruv just doesn't know how. They are very similar to courgette's that my Mother grew and used In soups and stews all the time..no slime.

The jelly In a pork pie Is the best part !!! Aspic Is not used as much these days.

Love fresh Oysters... but couldn't eat eels... one has to draw the line somewhere.