The Death Penalty

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:31 am

I do not believe in the Death Penalty as punishment for certain crimes because I really don't feel that it is punishment. It's over too quickly with minimal pain or suffering. Lock em up in solitary, no sun light, no reading materials, no TV or radio,minimal food ration. I want those that are convicted of heinous crimes that warrant the death penalty to suffer for their crimes.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:38 am

You're in a mood aren't you?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:47 am

AnneBoleyn;1468592 wrote: You're in a mood aren't you?

Definitely

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:51 am

Lon;1468596 wrote: Definitely

What brought this on?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:09 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468597 wrote: What brought this on?

A discussion last evening with some folks favoring the death penalty.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:11 pm

Lon;1468602 wrote: A discussion last evening with some folks favoring the death penalty.

Sounds interesting. Care to be more informative?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:55 pm

The problem with keeping them locked up is that it's expensive. Food, heating, clothing, medical expenses, legal expenses when their 'Human Rights' are infringed. If a dog attacks someone it gets put to sleep, and the dog doesn't even have to kill anyone in order to warrant such action.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:15 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468604 wrote: Sounds interesting. Care to be more informative?

It was just a difference of opinion on what is punishment and they felt that death was the ultimate.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:17 pm

FourPart;1468609 wrote: The problem with keeping them locked up is that it's expensive. Food, heating, clothing, medical expenses, legal expenses when their 'Human Rights' are infringed. If a dog attacks someone it gets put to sleep, and the dog doesn't even have to kill anyone in order to warrant such action.

But it need not be expensive. They should forfeit their so called Human Rights as part of the punishment.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:23 pm

Then you get those that argue that Capital Punishment is the primary Human Right.

Yes. Forfeit their Human Rights. In that way they can be put to death.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:43 pm

You have gone right down in my estimation Lon.

Last week shooting looters, this week torturing fellow human beings.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:53 pm

That kind of stuff comes from a very angry place. I am sorry for whatever happened to make you feel that way.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:10 pm

LarsMac;1468618 wrote: That kind of stuff comes from a very angry place. I am sorry for whatever happened to make you feel that way.

Be careful, Lon might accuse you of thinking you know him. Just joking around Lon.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:12 pm

It's also not much of a deterrent.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:22 pm

gmc;1468623 wrote: It's also not much of a deterrent.

It's no deterrent whatsoever; it's punishment for what already happened.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:57 am

AnneBoleyn;1468626 wrote: It's no deterrent whatsoever; it's punishment for what already happened.
So is prison. And over here, someone who get's a 'Life' sentence is generally out, quite possibly to kill again, within 10 - 15 years with parole.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:58 pm

Lon;1468591 wrote: I do not believe in the Death Penalty as punishment for certain crimes because I really don't feel that it is punishment It's over too quickly with minimal pain or suffering[.

I agree 100%

Lon;1468591 wrote: Lock em up in solitary, no sun light, no reading materials, no TV or radio,minimal food ration. I want those that are convicted of heinous crimes that warrant the death penalty to suffer for their crimes.

Somewhere you lost it.

Whereas I am in favor that a murderer suffer the execution, that is all I demand.

Debt paid.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:32 am

It's all very well people pontificating about the death penalty when the majority of those pontificating have never had a loved one murdered.

It's not about revenge or an eye for an eye, but for families, It's about closure. Unless there Is closure, families can be affected for life and have their lives ruined. They are equally the victims along with the murdered.

I sat through a murder trial and as the Judge handed down a paltry 4 year sentence, I saw the Father of the victim In the public gallery and one can only describe the look on his face as haunted. Worse, he'd know that the person who took his son's life would have a cosy sentence with everything provided for him.

So, let's be brutally honest here... If someone kicked a member of my family to death, I would want them to die and I'd want to watch them die. No pontificating.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:41 am

Oscar Namechange;1468742 wrote: It's all very well people pontificating about the death penalty when the majority of those pontificating have never had a loved one murdered.

It's not about revenge or an eye for an eye, but for families, It's about closure. Unless there Is closure, families can be affected for life and have their lives ruined. They are equally the victims along with the murdered.

I sat through a murder trial and as the Judge handed down a paltry 4 year sentence, I saw the Father of the victim In the public gallery and one can only describe the look on his face as haunted. Worse, he'd know that the person who took his son's life would have a cosy sentence with everything provided for him.

So, let's be brutally honest here... If someone kicked a member of my family to death, I would want them to die and I'd want to watch them die. No pontificating.

What would you say to all those who would have been wrongfully executed for crimes they didn't commit over the years since the death penalty was abolished? oops?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:50 am

gmc;1468767 wrote: What would you say to all those who would have been wrongfully executed for crimes they didn't commit over the years since the death penalty was abolished? oops?

Well, Mon grand écossais chardon.

Forensic science has advanced to the point where there can be certainty. In America they can now get DNA from a victims skin. Just a minute trace of sweat or saliva.

However, In cases where there Is doubt, and I have seen many In the USA that have later been proved Innocent, then without conclusive Forensics, I would favour a life term. In cases where there Is the DNA conclusive evidence, then I'd say, let them fry.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:26 pm

Why should difference of opinion on something as important has the death penalty, be regarded as pontificating ?

Why is Oscar's way, the right way and the rest of us wayward minds obviously have not an opinion worth expressing ?

Are you the only one to have thought it through ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:37 pm

Snowfire;1468774 wrote:

Why is Oscar's way, the right way and the rest of us wayward minds obviously have not an opinion worth expressing ?

You're the only one saying that.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:40 pm

Snowfire;1468774 wrote: Why should difference of opinion on something as important has the death penalty, be regarded as pontificating ?

Why is Oscar's way, the right way and the rest of us wayward minds obviously have not an opinion worth expressing ?

Are you the only one to have thought it through ?

I didn't mean those here... I was thinking of all the politicians who make decisions for us whilst not actually being In the real world.

However, If It lifts your skirt thinking that I was thinking of you, then you carry on ... I'd hate to disappoint you. :rolleyes::p:p:wah:

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:57 pm

Oscar Namechange;1468776 wrote: I didn't mean those here... I was thinking of all the politicians who make decisions for us whilst not actually being In the real world.

However, If It lifts your skirt thinking that I was thinking of you, then you carry on ... I'd hate to disappoint you. :rolleyes::p:p:wah:

Said like a true politician.............who obviously lives in her own world......the same as the rest of us ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:00 pm

Bruv;1468777 wrote: Said like a true politician.............who obviously lives in her own world......the same as the rest of us ?

awwww feeling left out now Bro? Chip In just In case Oscar has forgotten you ? :yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:01 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468775 wrote: You're the only one saying that.

:yh_flag:yh_flower:yh_flower

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:13 pm

Oscar Namechange;1468778 wrote: awwww feeling left out now Bro? Chip In just In case Oscar has forgotten you ? :yh_rotfl

Thanks...........I needed that.

Obscuration, deviation par excellence.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:53 pm

Bruv;1468780 wrote: Thanks...........I needed that.

Obscuration, deviation par excellence.

Would have been rude not to.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:57 pm

It's really an ancient argument which goes back way before the abolition of Capital Punishment, and the same pros & cons always arise. In fact I can't remember when I last saw anything new contributed to the debate. Revenge or Justice? Beyond Shadow of Doubt or 100% Certainty? Humane get out or inflicting lifetime of suffering? Cost of execution compared to cost of imprisonment? Human Rights of Convicted / Victim? For every pro there is an equally valid con.

Personally, I think there is much to be said for the Jury to determine the sentence & that the option of the Death Penalty be made available to them if they consider the offence warrants it.

I also believe they should do away with a Suicide Watch. If they want to kill themselves, I have no problem with that. It's a convenient all-round solution for everyone concerned. Ian Brady currently wants to be transferred to a standard prison. I say do it. The other prisoners would tear him apart by the end of the week.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:48 pm

Lon;1468591 wrote: I do not believe in the Death Penalty as punishment for certain crimes because I really don't feel that it is punishment. It's over too quickly with minimal pain or suffering. Lock em up in solitary, no sun light, no reading materials, no TV or radio,minimal food ration. I want those that are convicted of heinous crimes that warrant the death penalty to suffer for their crimes.

I agree 100% with you ... an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth ....let them suffer ...

The right person that is ...