Why children ...

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:20 am

Why do people have to hurt children ????

More than 130 people, including 100 students, have been killed and 122 others injured in a Taliban seizure of a military-run school in the city of Peshawar, Pakistan, according to provincial authorities.

The numbers of dead and injured may still rise as the casualties of the assault are counted.

Some 500 students and teachers were in the Army Public School on Warsak Road at the time of the attack. Pakistan’s military said most of the civilians escaped, but some had been taken hostage by the assailants.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:51 am

If you really want to terrorise people go for their children.

Can you imagine the courage it takes to stand up against them

BBC News - Profile: Malala Yousafzai

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:55 am

sicking .. There is only one word for those people ....

COWARDS ...

It is people like Malala Yousafzai that changes the world ...

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:49 am

I don't actually consider child killers "people," or "humans." They are animals, devoid of the empathy and compassion

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:41 pm

It would help If we knew what particular part of the world or civil war you were talking about. The world as a whole does not kill children.

In such places as Iraq and Syria, they are killed for being the wrong religion and to wipe out what they see as opposing religions.

With Sunni vs Shea, they are killed because It's viewed they are future killers of their own.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:39 pm

Here are a few example ...why children ...

Columbine High School massacre..... 12 students and one teacher ...

Connecticut elementary school .......27 people dead, including 20 children,

I could go on ... they are children and they were killed ...

These children were not from Iraq and Syria,

Why that is my question ... not pointing finger on religion or places ...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:54 pm

sugarpuff;1469459 wrote: Here are a few example ...why children ...

Columbine High School massacre..... 12 students and one teacher ...

Connecticut elementary school .......27 people dead, including 20 children,

I could go on ... they are children and they were killed ...

These children were not from Iraq and Syria,

Why that is my question ... not pointing finger on religion or places ...
If you'd have put that In your OP, then I would have known which arena you were talking about.

School massacre's ? Soft targets, that's why.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:10 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469462 wrote: If you'd have put that In your OP, then I would have known which arena you were talking about.

You were 'baited' my dear...............admit it.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:14 pm

Omg .. you are so picky .. I am talking about children who get killed or murdered .......

another example ...

Marianne Schmidt and Christine Sharrock at Wanda Beach near Sydney on 11 January 1965. Their partially buried bodies were discovered ..

They were 15 years old ....

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:30 pm

sugarpuff;1469467 wrote: Omg .. you are so picky .. I am talking about children who get killed or murdered .......

another example ...

Marianne Schmidt and Christine Sharrock at Wanda Beach near Sydney on 11 January 1965. Their partially buried bodies were discovered ..

They were 15 years old ....
Oh silly me... I didn't realise you thought we were all mind readers.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:41 pm

sugarpuff;1469435 wrote: Why do people have to hurt children ????

I must be a mind reader then - it seems pretty clear to me what was meant.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:20 pm

FourPart;1469471 wrote: I must be a mind reader then - it seems pretty clear to me what was meant.

I bet you .. you can read my mind right now ...:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Thank you ...

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:23 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469470 wrote: Oh silly me... I didn't realise you thought we were all mind readers.

We would need a magnifying reading glass in your case if we were:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

(sorry, childish I know)

posted by sugarpuff

Why do people have to hurt children ????

You're looking for a rational explanation, maybe there is in the minds of the killers

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:31 pm

Gmc .. I agree with your comment ...

It is just mind boggling to try and wrap our head around ...

It is like the doctor who killed his two children ..stab them 47 times ...

We can never ever understand why ..

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:00 pm

Saint_;1469447 wrote: I don't actually consider child killers "people," or "humans." They are animals, devoid of the empathy and compassion

They are just sick ..very sick ... but I can understand your feeling ..

I personally know someone who murdered there entire family ..his wife .. three sons .. father in law and

his friend ...and himself .... It was my girlfriend's brother ..

This might sound strange .. but he was a real great guy ...plus he was a school teacher

at one time ..He was funny , kindhearted .. I knew him for over 40 years

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:21 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469462 wrote: If you'd have put that In your OP, then I would have known which arena you were talking about.

School massacre's ? Soft targets, that's why.

Stop pretending you're stupid, Oscar. You are a very smart person.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:21 pm

Fuzzy;1469497 wrote: Stop pretending you're stupid, Oscar. You are a very smart person.

Odd remark.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:56 pm

Fuzzy;1469497 wrote: Stop pretending you're stupid, Oscar. You are a very smart person.

Irony and sarcasm not your strong point then ?

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:26 pm

"Why do people have to hurt children ????"

You will have to ask the people who do this. The rest of us can only guess.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:01 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469506 wrote: Irony and sarcasm not your strong point then ?

No.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:26 pm

Peshawar school attack: ‘Mullah Radio’ grew to be a cult figure and was also behind Malala Yousafzai assassination attempt - Asia - World - The Independent

If you believe the bible or the koran is the word of god there is tremendous scope for all kinds of atrocities and before the west get too smug and blame islam remember the holocaust was inspired by two thousand years of propoganda against the jews as the killers of jesus.

The essence of the dispute between shia and sunni is the same as that between catholic and protestant do you find salvation through following a creed or by a personal conversation with god and both christian and muslim teach that their god is the only right one. It's structured insanity that takes hold where people are not educated to think for themselves destroy education and you destroy the ability to resist.

We get the same thing in the UK, seperate religious school to indoctrinate a new generation of bigots and we protect the right of bigots to preserve their prejudice.

You can resopect the right of someone to their belief but why should that belief system be sancrosanct when it causes so much hate.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:54 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469506 wrote: Irony and sarcasm not your strong point then ?
"Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit".

(Oscar Wilde)

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:48 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469470 wrote: Oh silly me... I didn't realise you thought we were all mind readers.

Sarcasm ????? I wouldn't know it..... if it slap me in the face ...

Doesn't seem to be one of your strong point either .. Oscar ..:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:14 am

sugarpuff;1469435 wrote: Why do people have to hurt children ????

More than 130 people, including 100 students, have been killed and 122 others injured in a Taliban seizure of a military-run school in the city of Peshawar, Pakistan, according to provincial authorities.

The numbers of dead and injured may still rise as the casualties of the assault are counted.

Some 500 students and teachers were in the Army Public School on Warsak Road at the time of the attack. Pakistan’s military said most of the civilians escaped, but some had been taken hostage by the assailants.

Alright people, let's stop beating around the proverbial and get down to the nitty gritty.

Which part of the above quote didn't you understand, Oscar my love?

Oh, and Anne, have a word with Henry. What's his take on the situation?

BTW, I don't hurt children....purposely.

Adults are fair game.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:53 am

"Oh, and Anne, have a word with Henry. What's his take on the situation?"

Who is Henry?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:37 am

AnneBoleyn;1469568 wrote: "Oh, and Anne, have a word with Henry. What's his take on the situation?"

Who is Henry?

I assume the VIII

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:40 am

YZGI;1469589 wrote: I assume the VIII

Of course wisey. Rarely think of the old goat these days. I use my own head for my opinions.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:42 am

Fuzzy;1469553 wrote:

Adults are fair game.

Double Teaming, hey, SugarFuzzyPuff?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:50 pm

Saint_;1469447 wrote: I don't actually consider child killers "people," or "humans." They are animals, devoid of the empathy and compassionActually, Saint, it appears animals, in general, are not devoid of either. Many Homo sapiens appear to lack both at times. There are debates as to why.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:08 pm

Fuzzy;1469553 wrote: Alright people, let's stop beating around the proverbial and get down to the nitty gritty.

Which part of the above quote didn't you understand, Oscar my love?

Oh, and Anne, have a word with Henry. What's his take on the situation?

BTW, I don't hurt children....purposely.

Adults are fair game. First things first Fuzzysugarpuff... I am not your love, never have been and never will be.

I understand In probably more depth than you can Imagine. If the thread was half sensible, It may worth going Into more detail yet I fear my time would be wasted here.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:09 pm

Ahso!;1469624 wrote: Actually, Saint, it appears animals, in general, are not devoid of either. Many Homo sapiens appear to lack both at times. There are debates as to why.

Welcome back...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:30 pm

AnneBoleyn;1469594 wrote: Double Teaming, hey, SugarFuzzyPuff? Funny how allegedly this thread was posted as a serious debate yet the fuzzysugarpuffs seem to have Ignored all the educated posts such as gmc's and would rather play silly games trying to be the smart alec. If this was Indeed a serious thread about children being murdered , why on earth would anyone be adding ROTFL smilies.... Hmmmmm Let's leave them to the games Anne.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:34 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469628 wrote: Funny how allegedly this thread was posted as a serious debate yet the fuzzysugarpuffs seem to have Ignored all the educated posts such as gmc's and would rather play silly games trying to be the smart alec. If this was Indeed a serious thread about children being murdered , why on earth would anyone be adding ROTFL smilies.... Hmmmmm Let's leave them to the games Anne.

Please, Mum, can't I have some more?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:39 pm

AnneBoleyn;1469629 wrote: Please, Mum, can't I have some more? No. Step away from the thread now young lady.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:46 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469630 wrote: No. Step away from the thread now young lady.

:yh_cry :yh_silent :yh_tongue

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:23 pm

bye ...

l:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Awwwwwwwwwww I fear you will be back .. you can't resist answering any of my threads ...

plus you are the type that always have to have the last word ...

even if it doesn't make sense ...

Oh by the way .. if you decide to report us .. please have the decency to

ask the moderator .. to read the whole thread .....

Like usual ... you are the one that always throws the first punch ...

with your snide remarks ....

You also think .. .. you are better then the rest of us ...

Invest in a anchor and shove it on your noses ....

You should invest in one that is good for a ocean-liner ...that should bring your nose down enough ...

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:34 pm

oscar namechange;1469628 wrote: funny how allegedly this thread was posted as a serious debate yet the fuzzysugarpuffs seem to have ignored all the educated posts such as gmc's and would rather play silly games trying to be the smart alec. If this was indeed a serious thread about children being murdered , why on earth would anyone be adding rotfl smilies.... Hmmmmm let's leave them to the games anne.

omg :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Are you implying .. you now understand the thread ...

After all your attempt of trying to ruin it ..

Do you honestly think members are that naive ...

That is a real insult ...

Anyone who reads this thread from the beginning .. will see right through you ..

I do hope we can continue .. the topic was a very serious one for me ...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:42 pm

sugarpuff;1469639 wrote: omg :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Are you applying .. you now understand the thread ...

After all your attempt of trying to ruin it ..

Do you honestly think members are that naive ...

That is a real insult ...

Anyone who reads this thread from the beginning .. will see right through you .. Trying to ruin It ? On the contrary, I asked you from page one, what arena you were referring to. There could have been an Interesting debate following gmc's post because he was right. The slaughter In Pakistan was about Sunni vs Shea. Yet you bypassed his post and seemed more Intent on having a laugh.

As for my not understanding the thread, maybe It's you and that's why you have bypassed Intellectual replies... Old East End saying ' Never blag a blagger my dear.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:54 pm

I see what's happening, Oscar my love. You were not pretending to be stupid, you really are stupid like so many other politicians, pretending to be smart. :-5

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:00 pm

Fuzzy .. do you have to be so honest ..

After all do they know you ....

If you notice she loves to scream,,, she is leaving and she is still here ...

This thread is about hurting children .. not acting like children ....

Here they have a story that makes me really sick ..

Provincial police have arrested a 21-year-old man on ... groups to gain the trust of parents with young, autistic children. Police say he would then convince parents to teach him how to bathe kids and ask them to send photos ... Montreal blogger faces 17 child porn, sexual touching charges ...

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:42 am

Can't remember what site I seen this on ... if it is on here I apologize to the op ...

Caution this is really sick ..

Post by **Betty Boop** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:23 pm

There seem to be two sorts of crimes, one where some people are for whatever reason sexually attracted to children. It is considered taboo to feel that way and some do go on to abuse. I do think there are a lot that are attracted but don't actuallu act on that attraction. Obviously every single abuser knows it is 'wrong' which is why they make sure they exert some sort of power over their victim, ie 'no one will believe you', 'I will hurt your family' type of threats etc. Maybe it is time to start letting these people come out of the closet as it were, and then provide them with some sort of correction programme with support, maybe I mean conditioning programme to retrain their brains.

The other crime of gunmen targeting children is a difficult one. They maybe pick the children element so they get more of a blaze of glory on the way out, after all it is almost an act of cowardly suicide, I'll do something so bad someone else will pull the trigger. Children are the one thing guaranteed to be seen as 'ah those poor innocent children' so the killer gets a huge wave of public attention when he storms a school. I can only assume that such killers are particularly mentally ill, and all nations appear to fail when it comes to dealing with mental illness. Surely we need earlier intervention and more resources to start trying to work out why gunmen target the children and why some feel the need to get sexual gratification from children who have not even hit puberty themselves.

I'm not even sure the people that commit such crimes are even able to say exactly why they do it. Is it some way of exerting control over another? Obviously children are vulnerable and can therefore be an easy and pliable target. They are all horrific and sad situations that society needs to address and try to make sense of.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:18 pm

Imo .. hurting children is a crime .. no matter what they do ...

Betty Boop you are so right about children are vulnerable and can therefore

be an easy and pliable target. They are all horrific and sad situations that

society needs to address and try to make sense of.

Unless somebody can understand why .. this problem can never be solved ..

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:38 pm

I have tried to watched that video, but only managed a small part of it. The follow up to it was a report the aggressor was imprisoned and beaten to an inch of her life.........which I find almost as repugnant as her crime.......but one I can understand.....just.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:50 pm

Bruv ... It made me sick watching it to .. I had to turn it off ..The hatred I felt towards that woman was unbelievable ...

It makes me wonder .. did the parents know what type of woman she was ? ...Is that why they has the camera on ? ...

Just a thought the cross my mind ...

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:06 pm

sugarpuff: "Unless somebody can understand why .. this problem can never be solved .."

Even if it were understood, although it won't be in our lifetimes, how can it be predicted? I don't believe it will ever be solved. Also, I'm guessing you also mean murder & war in general, not just children. For me, it comes down to: we are animals called human beings and we kill--whether for ideology, from fear, from anger, from psychosis--we kill, we harm, we maim, we destroy. In a war, we are called soldiers when we do these things.

When I see or hear of animals, particularly cats & dogs, beaten by their "owners" (I recently heard of a man gouging out his cat's eye) I get that sick feeling "How Could You?" "What's Wrong with YOU?" "HOW can You DO This?"

The answer is the same. We look in a mirror, & it is US. We are capable of monstrous cruelty. Be happy most of us don't.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:22 pm

I understand the girl was employed as a Nanny or Sissy by a well off African family in Ghana, 'well off' being employed as a Teacher or Police and getting a regular wage.

She would live as a Cinderella like family member, doing all the family chores, putting up with physical abuse to enable her to support her extended family with the paltry wages in virtual slavery.

Which doesn't excuse her, but which might go some way to explain such retaliation to a defenseless child

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:51 pm

Bruv;1469718 wrote: I understand the girl was employed as a Nanny or Sissy by a well off African family in Ghana, 'well off' being employed as a Teacher or Police and getting a regular wage.

She would live as a Cinderella like family member, doing all the family chores, putting up with physical abuse to enable her to support her extended family with the paltry wages in virtual slavery.

Which doesn't excuse her, but which might go some way to explain such retaliation to a defenseless child

I think you hit on a wonderful point, as usual I may add. When people are treated like sh!t, especially since childhood, that is generally what they become. I am also not excusing, just explaining.

sugarpuff · Post by **sugarpuff** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 5:30 pm

Bruv;1469718 wrote: I understand the girl was employed as a Nanny or Sissy by a well off African family in Ghana, 'well off' being employed as a Teacher or Police and getting a regular wage.

She would live as a Cinderella like family member, doing all the family chores, putting up with physical abuse to enable her to support her extended family with the paltry wages in virtual slavery.

Which doesn't excuse her, but which might go some way to explain such retaliation to a defenseless child

You are right Bruv it truly is not an excuse but I do admire you .. for looking at the whole picture and trying

to make some sort of sense out of it .. It shows your character ... at least you are open minded ...

it is easy to condemn people .. but you try an look for the other side of the story ...

Post by **Betty Boop** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1469724 wrote: I think you hit on a wonderful point, as usual I may add. When people are treated like sh!t, especially since childhood, that is generally what they become. I am also not excusing, just explaining.

Totally agree, my daughters bullies must lead awful lives that they need to make someone else's life hell to get through day to day. I'm always telling my daughter to ignore and just send them thoughts of love because those bullies must need it desperately.