Hey Islam Lighten Up SMILE

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:14 am

Be they Moderates, Fundamentalists, Radicals, Terrorists or whatever. You just don't see any smiling or happy faces. Dour, stern stares is all I see. Of course as we have just found out in the past week about the violent acts in France, there are some elements of Islam that just don't understand or appreciate Satire, so what's to smile about. I wonder if the Prophet himself ever smiled or had a good laugh. :-3

I did a search and found this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_humour

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:17 pm

From the article:

Laughter, fun, and joking are permissible in Islam provided guidelines from Quran and Hadith are followed. For humour to be in accordance with Islam, the joke should not insult anyone, should not frighten anyone, should be within the limits of Islamic tolerance, should tell the truth, should not be offensive, should not contain unIslamic material or promote immorality and indecency.

Well, that pretty much omits just about every joke I have ever heard, or read.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:13 pm

LarsMac;1471413 wrote: From the article:

Well, that pretty much omits just about every joke I have ever heard, or read.

I was going to say that.

Every joke is based on someones misfortune.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:32 pm

Laugh and the devil gets in.

You weren't put on earth to be happy but to live and then die.

It's not just islam that lacks a sense of humour poking fun at the christian church used to have very serious consequences and still does in some circles.

An awful lot of politicians and people in power don't appreciate satire or want to curb free speech while at the same time trumpeting their support for it.

Saudi blogger receives first 50 lashes of sentence for 'insulting Islam' | World news | The Guardian

One of the west's foremost allies in the war on islamic terror.

Rights activists say Saudi authorities are using Badawi’s case as a warning to others who think to criticise the kingdom’s powerful religious establishment from which the ruling family partly derives its authority.

London-based Amnesty International said he would receive 50 lashes once a week for 20 weeks. The US, a close ally of Saudi Arabia, has called on authorities to cancel the punishment.

Allegedly some nations don't get irony either. I blame alannis moreset

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:50 am

Lon;1471398 wrote: I wonder if the Prophet himself ever smiled or had a good laugh.

Some, yes. Whose do you mean?

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YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:13 am

Been nice knowing you Lon.

(Meant in a humorous way and not in an ironic way because he is older..)

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:02 am

gmc;1471431 wrote: Laugh and the devil gets in.

You weren't put on earth to be happy but to live and then die.

lol. That cracked me up!

Actually, I'm of the opinion that a lack of humor is the major problem of all adults. But then life is serious business and comedy is violent.

"You're killing me!"

"You cracked me up!"

"My ribs are splitting!"

"I bust a gut laughing!"

"I could die laughing!"

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:15 am

Life's a joke we just don't know the punchline.

That particular crack got me in a fight (we'd been having a discussion about religion and he basically objected to anyone challenging the beliefs he insisted on telling us about) with a born again christian. To say he was a bit unstable might- by some - be taken as a criticism of religion.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:43 am

gmc;1471491 wrote: Life's a joke we just don't know the punchline.

"Happy Birthday, Wanda June" by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:18 pm

High Threshold;1471507 wrote: "Happy Birthday, Wanda June" by Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

Who is Wanda June, and who is Kurt Vonnegut Jr ?

:-2 :-3

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:43 pm

G#Gill;1471514 wrote: Who is Wanda June, and who is Kurt Vonnegut Jr ?

:-2 :-3

One of the American writer Kurt Vonnnegut Jr's works entitled “Happy Birthday Wanda June. In this story death is a blessing - as I recall – where even Hitler is forgiven and everyone is having such a wonderful time together in the after life.

Kurt Vonnegut Jr. author of “Slaughterhouse 5 and “Breakfast of Champions etc. A delightful writer, recently deceased.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:12 pm

"Solitude"

Laugh, and the world laughs with you;

Weep, and you weep alone.

For the sad old earth must borrow its mirth

But has trouble enough of its own

(Ella Wheeler Wilcox)

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:09 am

High Threshold;1471543 wrote: One of the American writer Kurt Vonnnegut Jr's works entitled “Happy Birthday Wanda June. In this story death is a blessing - as I recall – where even Hitler is forgiven and everyone is having such a wonderful time together in the after life.

Kurt Vonnegut Jr. author of “Slaughterhouse 5 and “Breakfast of Champions etc. A delightful writer, recently deceased.

He's one of those writers I could never be bothered finishing, worthy but oh so boring. Don;t ask me why I can't explain it. Read somewhere it was in opart inspired by his ecperienceses in desden during the firebombing.

Bit like george martin there's something about his style of writing that puts me off reading him can't say why it just does. Read rthe first book and couldn't be bothered with the rest. Not just game of thrones he wrote a detective novel as well

posted by four part

"Solitude"

Laugh, and the world laughs with you;

Weep, and you weep alone.

For the sad old earth must borrow its mirth

But has trouble enough of its own

(Ella Wheeler Wilcox)

My source for the comment about laugh and the devil gets in was the free church of scotland, laughter is the devils gateway to your soul, christians can give any muslim a run for their money when it comes to extremes.

Doesn't matter what the religious belief if you accept the basic premise then any insanity has it's own logic.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:51 am

gmc;1471552 wrote: He's one of those writers I could never be bothered finishing, worthy but oh so boring. Don;t ask me why I can't explain it.

I understand. I lived several years in the U.S. and it may be a prerequisite to understanding Vonnegut ¦ "Breakfast of Champions" for certain. He plays on the subtleties of American values, the senselessness of American patriotism. He broke down the American national anthem, phrase by phrase, ridiculing the hell out of it – and tore the symbolism of the American flag to shreds. Very entertaining! But I suppose you have to have some insight into what emotions those symbols are meant to evoke before you can see the humour in torching them.

gmc;1471552 wrote: Read somewhere it was in opart inspired by his ecperienceses in desden during the firebombing.

Yes. The chapter about Billy Pilgrim as a POW in Dresden is pretty much autobiographical. Vonnegut was a POW there and he did survive the fire-bombing in a cellar together with his fellow captives.

gmc;1471552 wrote: Bit like george martin there's something about his style of writing that puts me off reading him can't say why it just does.

I have the same problem with Joseph Heller. I have no idea why he was so popular. I tried reading “Catch 22 and "Something Happened!. Pure rubbish. Couldn't finish either of them. In fact, the later so bored me that I actually tossed it out of the second-story window of the Youth Hostel in Oslo! And when you think that I was looking for work and was down to the last few bob in my pocket ¦... you'll understand that tossing out a newly purchased book wasn't something I did gladly.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:51 am

This chap Is rather controversial In the UK. You'll either be offended or agree with him. Many find him refreshing.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:33 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471571 wrote: This chap Is rather controversial In the UK. You'll either be offended or agree with him. Many find him refreshing.

I find him rather tedious.

Even when he makes sense, I want to smack him.

.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:29 pm

LarsMac;1471578 wrote: I find him rather tedious.

Even when he makes sense, I want to smack him.

.

Haha He's not one of mine I hasten to point out.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:38 am

Haven't a clue who she is but I like the way she makes her point

I have little time for the christian right either. Or would be fascists like ukip and the bnp. Nazis without the policies or the nice uniforms.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:15 am

LarsMac;1471578 wrote: I find him rather tedious.

Even when he makes sense, I want to smack him.

.

Smarmy is what I call him.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:58 am

gmc;1471585 wrote: Haven't a clue who she is but I like the way she makes her point

I have little time for the christian right either. Or would be fascists like ukip and the bnp. Nazis without the policies or the nice uniforms.

Tell you what Mon Grande Chardon... you define what a Fascist Is... and when you're finished, I'll put you right.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:15 am

Oscar Namechange;1471598 wrote: Tell you what Mon Grande Chardon... you define what a Fascist Is... and when you're finished, I'll put you right.

Perhaps, to enlighten us ignorant of what fascism is, you could name one in history that we could look up to. A guiding light. An example of where it has worked and how you'd like it implemented in British politics

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:21 am

Snowfire;1471601 wrote: Perhaps, to enlighten us ignorant of what fascism is, you could name one in history that we could look up to. A guiding light. An example of where it has worked and how you'd like it implemented in British politics

I'm not talking about Fascist leaders or anyone you could look up to as you put It. I asked him to define what Fascism Is. The term Fascism Is not a label to tag but a concept. What Is that concept that others are so quick to tag?

https://farleftwatch.wordpress.com/2007 ... -fascists/

https://farleftwatch.wordpress.com/2007 ... sm-part-2/

https://farleftwatch.wordpress.com/2008 ... es-part-3/

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:35 am

Oscar Namechange;1471602 wrote: I'm not talking about Fascist leaders or anyone you could look up to as you put It. I asked him to define what Fascism Is. The term Fascism Is not a label to tag but a concept. What Is that concept that others are so quick to tag?

Well, I know what the definition is. Its totalitarian in principle even if one agrees or not whether its extreme right wing or arguably socialist in concept. It feeds on the fears of the masses, historically, that being based around race or religion, therefore massively divisive and destructive. I can't think of any example in history where it was successful, nor any fascist leader that I could warm to in the slightest. Even the anecdotal stories of Mussolini at least making the trains run on time doesnt cut the mustard (not true anyway)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:08 pm

Snowfire;1471603 wrote: Well, I know what the definition is. Its totalitarian in principle even if one agrees or not whether its extreme right wing or arguably socialist in concept. It feeds on the fears of the masses, historically, that being based around race or religion, therefore massively divisive and destructive. I can't think of any example in history where it was successful, nor any fascist leader that I could warm to in the slightest. Even the anecdotal stories of Mussolini at least making the trains run on time doesnt cut the mustard (not true anyway)

All leaders In the past that could be described as Fascist used violence to squash their political opponents. It Is a power defined by force. The BNP Is a democratic Party... Fascist leaders oppose democracy. Military strength and violence were used to beat down opponents. The term fascist under Benito Mussolini Is a very far cry from a registered political Party that votes It's leaders by a democratic vote of members.

Pat explains It far better than I.

Opponents of the BNP label them Fascist out of Ignorance and failure to construct a worth counter debate.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:47 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471604 wrote: All leaders In the past that could be described as Fascist used violence to squash their political opponents. It Is a power defined by force. The BNP Is a democratic Party... Fascist leaders oppose democracy. Military strength and violence were used to beat down opponents. The term fascist under Benito Mussolini Is a very far cry from a registered political Party that votes It's leaders by a democratic vote of members.

Pat explains It far better than I.

Opponents of the BNP label them Fascist out of Ignorance and failure to construct a worth counter debate.

The links you provided earlier just appeared to be the BNP's efforts in redefining fascism to suit an image it wants to broadcast to an electorate. It might want to distance itself from the term and appear respectable but the defining aspects of Fascism and the BNP remain essentially same. Using the ballot box and not wearing a uniform doesnt negate the attempts at using fear and divisive tactics (in this case immigration, religion and multiculturalism) to project their vision of an Uber-patriotic and pure society, free from those who might taint our "way of life". Its still Nationalism. Just without the jackboots and angry expressions.

Unfortunately - for you at least, not for me, you will never be able to shake off the demon of your past. The awful burden of your roots. The NF.

That's the link to what you think you are and what I think you are

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:02 pm

Snowfire;1471607 wrote: The links you provided earlier just appeared to be the BNP's efforts in redefining fascism to suit an image it wants to broadcast to an electorate. It might want to distance itself from the term and appear respectable but the defining aspects of Fascism and the BNP remain essentially same. Using the ballot box and not wearing a uniform doesnt negate the attempts at using fear and divisive tactics (in this case immigration, religion and multiculturalism) to project their vision of an Uber-patriotic and pure society, free from those who might taint our "way of life". Its still Nationalism. Just without the jackboots and angry expressions.

Unfortunately - for you at least, not for me, you will never be able to shake off the demon of your past. The awful burden of your roots. The NF.

That's the link to what you think you are and what I think you are

The problem with the BNP Is fear. They have never held government so In reality, no-one knows what they'd do or enforce once In power. All the opponents can do Is assume. The left media feed that fear. They are an unknown entity unlike mainstream who have proven track records of failure after failure.

The simple fact Is that the fear mongerers can only summise and assume. None of them have ever spent a day Inside the Party to actually speak with authority.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:23 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471608 wrote: The problem with the BNP Is fear. They have never held government so In reality, no-one knows what they'd do or enforce once In power. All the opponents can do Is assume. The left media feed that fear. They are an unknown entity unlike mainstream who have proven track records of failure after failure.

The simple fact Is that the fear mongerers can only summise and assume. None of them have ever spent a day Inside the Party to actually speak with authority.

Don't they have a manifesto like the proper parties ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:16 pm

Bruv;1471609 wrote: Don't they have a manifesto like the proper parties ?

Sigh

As a registered political Party, we have to have a manifesto, constitution, submit yearly reports to the electoral commission along with our finances. Why on earth would you assume they wouldn't do exactly what any other political party has to do ? See ? Not a clue,

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:02 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471608 wrote: They have never held government so In reality, no-one knows what they'd do or enforce once In power. All the opponents can do Is assume. The simple fact Is that the fear mongers can only surmise and assume.

Bruv;1471609 wrote: Don't they have a manifesto like the proper parties ?

Oscar Namechange;1471616 wrote: Sigh

As a registered political Party, we have to have a manifesto, constitution, submit yearly reports to the electoral commission along with our finances. Why on earth would you assume they wouldn't do exactly what any other political party has to do ? See ? Not a clue,

Sigh........why would anybody need to surmise and fear then ?

Unless of course they trust them less than the parties that have let us all down before.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:06 pm

Bruv;1471617 wrote: Sigh........why would anybody need to surmise and fear then ?

Unless of course they trust them less than the parties that have let us all down before. The mere fact that you even had to ask whether a registered political Party subject and answerable to the Electoral Commission had a Manifesto shows exactly how the fear Is created. ie by those too busy assuming to actually gather the facts.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:19 pm

You appear to see and understand what you want to see and understand............regardless.

I didn't have to ask.....I knew the answer......but you had to answer with your own agenda...........and thats why they fear your party.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:54 pm

The question about a manifesto is a valid one. Whether you have to have one or not is neither here nor there. The fact remains that while the BNP is well known, be it by people who like them or loathe them, it is SEEN as a 1 track party, directed towards making racism respectable. I don't intend to argue whether that is the case or not or whether I 'get it' or not. I am simply saying that this is how it comes across. I have asked you in the past to produce the manifesto & I was simply told to Google it because you couldn't be botherred to do it for me. A question has, once again, been asked about the manifesto, yet it still seems to be kept behind closed doors. Quite frankly, I don't know of anyone who knows anything of what the official party line of the BNP is, according to their manifesto - and how can they be expected to when it isn't publicised and / or made freely accessible. Note that this in itself isn't a criticism for or against the BNPs policies which may or may not be held within the manifesto, as the same observations would hold true for any political party who witheld their official party line with seemingly such zeal.

As far as BNP being a Democratic Party is concerned - well, so was the Nazi Party:

German presidential election, 1932 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:35 pm

FourPart;1471628 wrote:

As far as BNP being a Democratic Party is concerned - well, so was the Nazi Party:

German presidential election, 1932 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Said someone who I doubt has never even seen the BNP manifesto...

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:36 am

Oscar Namechange;1471632 wrote: Said someone who I doubt has never even seen the BNP manifesto...

The EU Manifesto 2012 ?

The EU Manifesto 2014 ?

The Manifesto.......Club ?

BNP Policies ?

Education

Health and Benefits

Public Services

Economy

Putting Britons First

Immigration

No real Manifesto......as yet.

I did find their Constitution on their Site but the first words are......No Part can be downloaded copied,reproduced,republished, posted, transmitted, stored, sold or distributed without Adam Walkers permission other than paid up members who can, but only one, anybody else who

wishes to be granted a non exclusive and non transferable licence to download

or otherwise acquire one or more copies has to apply for a Licence from the BNP............wonder if other parties are so anally retentive about their own Constitutions...........I am off to find out.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:11 am

Oscar Namechange;1471604 wrote:

Opponents of the BNP label them Fascist out of Ignorance and failure to construct a worth counter debate.

Odd that cos The Right like to use the words "liberal" and "do-gooder" as terms of insult because they know no better

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:31 am

Bruv;1471642 wrote:

No real Manifesto......as yet.

I did find their Constitution on their Site but the first words are......No Part can be downloaded copied,reproduced,republished, posted, transmitted, stored, sold or distributed without Adam Walkers permission other than paid up members who can, but only one, anybody else who

wishes to be granted a non exclusive and non transferable licence to download

or otherwise acquire one or more copies has to apply for a Licence from the BNP............wonder if other parties are so anally retentive about their own Constitutions...........I am off to find out.

If you genuinly are Interested In the Constitution and 2015 Manifesto, get a PO box and I'll post you copies.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:09 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471648 wrote: If you genuinely are interested In the Constitution and 2015 Manifesto, get a PO box and I'll post you copies.

I have access to the Constitution, but according to the blurb it is only for card carrying members and only to be downloaded by real members but only one each per member, unless they get permission from Mr Walker (you do read at least some of the posts on here before replying don't you ?....I have mentioned this in my previous post)

Unless the Manifesto is publicly available I don't want to be a special needs case, or I might end up on a secret list somewhere.

I think I have found the Conservatives Manifesto and the Labour Manifesto and both their constitutions.......the Conservative one has £10 written on it.......hope they don't send me a bill

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:17 pm

Bruv;1471653 wrote: I have access to the Constitution, but according to the blurb it is only for card carrying members and only to be downloaded by real members but only one each per member, unless they get permission from Mr Walker (you do read at least some of the posts on here before replying don't you ?....I have mentioned this in my previous post)

Unless the Manifesto is publicly available I don't want to be a special needs case, or I might end up on a secret list somewhere.

I think I have found the Conservatives Manifesto and the Labour Manifesto and both their constitutions.......the Conservative one has £10 written on it.......hope they don't send me a bill

Then practice what you preach and pay attention to my previous post especially to word ' Post '.

This Indicates to most rational thinking people that rather than a download, I have printed copies that I could send out In the post. Or how do you think I'd post a download ?

Sigh

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:44 pm

In terms of policies you could argue the tory party is more fascist than the BNP, certainly they seem hell bent on undoing all the advances socialist policies have brought about in the opost war era reagardlers of whether they were a good idea or not. They are idealogically opposed to the NHS as a concept and make no secret of their desire to privatise it - as does farage although he jhas backtracked since it dawned on him it might lose him votes.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:05 pm

gmc;1471668 wrote: In terms of policies you could argue the tory party is more fascist than the BNP, certainly they seem hell bent on undoing all the advances socialist policies have brought about in the opost war era reagardlers of whether they were a good idea or not. They are idealogically opposed to the NHS as a concept and make no secret of their desire to privatise it - as does farage although he jhas backtracked since it dawned on him it might lose him votes.
Yep and why the BNP loathe the Tories with a passion

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:45 pm

Bruv;1471653 wrote: I have access to the Constitution...................... Unless the Manifesto is publicly available I don't want to be a special needs case, or I might end up on a secret list somewhere.

Oscar Namechange;1471660 wrote: Then practice what you preach and pay attention to my previous post especially to word ' Post '.

This Indicates to most rational thinking people that rather than a download, I have printed copies that I could send out In the post. Or how do you think I'd post a download ?

Sigh

Please read and re-read before replying.

I am well aware what "get a PO box and I'll post you copies" means........and THAT is why I said.........."Unless the Manifesto is publicly available I don't want to be a special needs case, or I might end up on a secret list somewhere."

OK so why is the Manifesto NOT public......yet ?

And why do I need to ask the nice Mr Walker for a licence if I want to share the Constitution ? It is online and available for all to see, sounds a bit suspect to me, you guys like a bit of secrecy........whats that all about ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:51 pm

Why does anyone have to ask Adam's permission ?

Tell us then In all honesty ( none of your ole bollocks ) but all honesty, why do you want It ?

The truthful answer may be the answer you're looking for.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:04 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471679 wrote: Why does anyone have to ask Adam's permission ?

Thats what I asked......I don't know......I would give you a link but the BNP Constitution denies me that option without written permission from Adam Walker.

Tell us then In all honesty ( none of your ole bollocks ) but all honesty, why do you want It ?

The truthful answer may be the answer you're looking for.

Why not ?

Why should my testes come into the need to spread the content of your Constitution ?

Have you lot still got that persecution complex ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:05 pm

Bruv;1471681 wrote: Thats what I asked......I don't know......I would give you a link but the BNP Constitution denies me that option without written permission from Adam Walker.

Why not ?

Why should my testes come into the need to spread the content of your Constitution ?

Have you lot still got that persecution complex ?

Still unable to answer the question honestly ? Why do you want to see It ?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:42 am

Oscar Namechange;1471648 wrote: If you genuinly are Interested In the Constitution and 2015 Manifesto, get a PO box and I'll post you copies.

This is the 21st century and you don't use the internet and e-mail???

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:42 am

gmc;1471694 wrote: This is the 21st century and you don't use the internet and e-mail???

She has to ask the guvnor if she can email me a copy, despite the constitution being online already.

The manifesto ? ......well you have to answer trick questions before they let you see it, they seem to think they are old style Freemasons or KKK and not a regular political party with secrecy rituals built into their procedures.

It couldn't be as simple as allowing their Manifesto to be freely available to encourage electorate free choice............there is no fun in that.

(I irritate myself sometimes)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:05 pm

Bruv;1471696 wrote: She has to ask the guvnor if she can email me a copy, despite the constitution being online already.

The manifesto ? ......well you have to answer trick questions before they let you see it, they seem to think they are old style Freemasons or KKK and not a regular political party with secrecy rituals built into their procedures.

It couldn't be as simple as allowing their Manifesto to be freely available to encourage electorate free choice............there is no fun in that.

(I irritate myself sometimes) I have to ask the Guvnor for nothing. I am Autonomous In that respect as some of us are In our regions. Saves us bothering the boss with every minor detail all day long. I can shamelessly exploit nepotism and expel to my hearts content.... should I desire.

Yet, you haven't answered the question have you ? Why do you want to see It ? It's far from a trick question. It's simple. Why would you want to read It ?

Your Inability to provide a true and honest answer really answers your own question.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:33 pm

OK.................when will the electorate be able to view the BNP's Manifesto ?

I am an Elector, so it's reasonable to ask.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:45 pm

Bruv;1471735 wrote: OK.................when will the electorate be able to view the BNP's Manifesto ?

I am an Elector, so it's reasonable to ask.

When will you answer the Question ?

Why do you want to read It ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:11 pm

Once again the question has been asked about finding a Public Copy of the Manifesto of a supposedly Democratic Political Party. Once again the question is not answered & the subject has conveniently been changed. Once again insults are thrown about not having read the Manfesto. Is it any wonder when such an 'open' party keeps it's agenda a closely guarded secret - or are you just ashamed of the policies within it?