Obama enrages Europe's Far Right

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:30 pm

OBAMA TELLS EUROPE TO EMBRACE MUSLIMS: 'Europe Needs to Better Integrate Muslims' | Doug Giles | #ClashDaily

OK Obama... Pray tell.... how do we go about that exactly ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:41 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471718 wrote: OBAMA TELLS EUROPE TO EMBRACE MUSLIMS: 'Europe Needs to Better Integrate Muslims' | Doug Giles | #ClashDaily

OK Obama... Pray tell.... how do we go about that exactly ?

Obama is a don't ask as he won't tell.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:52 pm

tude dog;1471728 wrote: Obama is a don't ask as he won't tell.

Let's see

Allow Sharia law courts... Tick

Give free social housing.... Tick

Give free education.... Tick

Give free NHS health care.... Tick

Allow polygamous marriage.. Tick

Pay extra welfare for polygamous marriages.... Tick

Fund Mosques.... Tick

Fund State Islamic schools.... Tick

Allow Halal slaughter..... Tick

Encourage Muslim leaders to stand In Elections.... Tick

Allow hate preachers to exercise the freedom of speech In the streets.... Tick

Hmmmm Yep, It's a toughy alright.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:09 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471729 wrote: Let's see

Allow Sharia law courts... Tick

Give free social housing.... Tick

Give free education.... Tick

Give free NHS health care.... Tick

Allow polygamous marriage.. Tick

Pay extra welfare for polygamous marriages.... Tick

Fund Mosques.... Tick

Fund State Islamic schools.... Tick

Allow Halal slaughter..... Tick

Encourage Muslim leaders to stand In Elections.... Tick

Allow hate preachers to exercise the freedom of speech In the streets.... Tick

Hmmmm Yep, It's a toughy alright.

Is that in the Manifesto ?

Just asking

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:19 pm

Bruv;1471730 wrote: Is that in the Manifesto ?

Just asking I was hoping for some serious genuine debate here. So leave out the snide remarks, the quips only you think are funny and tell us.... seriously.... what more can the West do to to help assimilation. ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:48 pm

Bruv;1471730 wrote: Is that in the Manifesto ?

Just asking

How about the The Communist Manifesto?

Yea, I expect the ridicule over that, but really?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:58 pm

tude dog;1471737 wrote: How about the The Communist Manifesto?

Yea, I expect the ridicule over that, but really?

You make a valid point given that this came about thanks to revolution and class struggle... History appears to be repeating It'self.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:23 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471739 wrote: You make a valid point given that this came about thanks to revolution and class struggle... History appears to be repeating It'self.

He announced it with the

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:28 pm

tude dog;1471744 wrote: He announced it with the

Obama - 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'

And people applauded that ? WTF !!!

Thanks... I'm putting that on my website.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:36 pm

Personally I reckon he's one of the best Presidents America's ever had.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:42 pm

FourPart;1471747 wrote: Personally I reckon he's one of the best Presidents America's ever had.

:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid:yh_youkid

Go on then.... WHY ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:53 pm

Because he has made positive reform rules to help the common people - such as by making moves to put an American National Health Service together, for one.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:01 pm

FourPart;1471751 wrote: Because he has made positive reform rules to help the common people - such as by making moves to put an American National Health Service together, for one.

Oh you mean his biggest failure?

Obama's healthcare law: Historic reform and signature failure - Los Angeles Times

Defense expert calls Obama ‘worst president ever!’

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:13 pm

From your own link (from 2012 incidentally):

Obama and his Democratic allies designed it to allow most Americans to keep the health coverage they get through work. That makes the law's impact largely invisible to many consumers, though a host of new regulations have put a substantial burden on employers, insurers and medical providers.

At the same time, millions of people have already seen small benefits. Adult children can now stay on their parents' health plans until age 26. Seniors are getting discounts on prescription drugs. And all Americans with insurance get check-ups and other preventive care without a co-payment.

Starting in 2014, insurers will be forbidden from denying coverage. Americans who don't get health benefits through an employer will be able to shop on new Internet-based markets, or exchanges, for an insurance plan that meets government-mandated standards.

Low- and moderate-income Americans will get subsidies to help them buy insurance. And the poorest Americans will gain access to the government Medicaid program, except in states that reject the Medicaid expansion.

In total, the law is expected to cover about 30 million more Americans over the next decade.

It also includes potentially transformative initiatives backed by many experts to protect consumers from poor-quality medical care. The government will penalize hospitals where patients get infections and other dangerous conditions, and reward doctors who intensely manage their patients' care.

"These reforms are already beginning to have an impact," said Dr. Mark McClellan, who oversaw the Medicare and Medicaid programs under President George W. Bush.
That sounds pretty successful to me.

As to the other one based on 'defence'. This 'expert' is clearly a warmonger, intent on continuing previous policies on policing the world & invading all comers, whereas Obama took steps to reduce levels of unneeded, expensive armaments.

Updated! A List of 276 Accomplishments by President Obama so far… With Citations | The PCTC Blog

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:17 pm

It's a blog

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:24 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471758 wrote: It's a blog

With citations.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:41 pm

FourPart;1471760 wrote: With citations.

10 Ways Obama Has Failed as President

Post by **LarsMac** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:39 pm

The title of this thread is all wrong.

The far right has been enraged for a long time. Since at least the mid 1800s

As for Obama:

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing - Forbes

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:38 pm

LarsMac;1471782 wrote: The title of this thread is all wrong.

The far right has been enraged for a long time. Since at least the mid 1800s

As for Obama:

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing - Forbes

The Far Right could have been outraged since the dawning of time. The clue Is In the name ' Obama '.... It's the first time Obama has outraged Europe's Far Right. It's very simple. The clue Is In the title.

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:47 pm

Oscar Namechange;1471718 wrote: OBAMA TELLS EUROPE TO EMBRACE MUSLIMS: 'Europe Needs to Better Integrate Muslims' | Doug Giles | #ClashDaily

OK Obama... Pray tell.... how do we go about that exactly ?

I don't know how you go about it but many here think that Obama is Muslim and perhaps that is why he is asking for them to be embraced. I have read a few news articles (and don't ask me to find them just Google Obama support of Muslim and you will have plenty to read)

Post by **Peter Lake** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:55 am

Lady J;1471786 wrote: I don't know how you go about it but many here think that Obama is Muslim and perhaps that is why he is asking for them to be embraced. I have read a few news articles (and don't ask me to find them just Google Obama support of Muslim and you will have plenty to read) We see much that tells us Obama is Muslim here but we don't have an issue with that . What we have an issue with, is that as Oscar listed, there's not really much else Europe could have done to welcome Muslim's and help them integrate. She's listed what we have done so how about someone lists what Islam has given the West in return. Obama needs to get his own house in order before he speaks on our behalf.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:33 am

Oscar Namechange;1471746 wrote: And people applauded that ? WTF !!!

Thanks... I'm putting that on my website.

You didn't listen to it in full did you. Many powerful people in america and here come to that think everything should be sold to the highest bidder no education unless you can pay for it, no medical care unles you can pay for it. They have opposed infrastructure projects on principle. Just think what kind of phone or internet coverage or raod nerwork we would have or even basic things like electricity in rural areas if it had all been left to the marketplace.

Post by **Peter Lake** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:49 am

gmc;1471796 wrote: You didn't listen to it in full did you. Many powerful people in america and here come to that think everything should be sold to the highest bidder no education unless you can pay for it, no medical care unles you can pay for it. They have opposed infrastructure projects on principle. Just think what kind of phone or internet coverage or raod nerwork we would have or even basic things like electricity in rural areas if it had all been left to the marketplace.
It's hardly motivational speech of the year is it? It's hardly going to inspire new entrepreneurs into a new venture solely on their own effort and inventive prowess.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:12 am

If Obama Is a Muslim then he's the most hypocritical given that he gave the order to Invade another countries airspace to take out an Illegally kill another Muslim. ie Bin Laden.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:34 am

The idea of Obama being Muslim is laughable. It's just another fantasy by the Lunatic Conspiracist Lobby. For a start off, he likes a good drink.

As for Oscar's "10 ways that Obama has failed", now that IS a blog, with no citation to back up claims whatsoever. It begins with "A Poll". What poll? Run by who? Where? How many polled?

How about this one then?

Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments by Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu | The Washington Monthly

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:54 am

How about this one ?

Articles: The Utter Failure of Obama

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:10 am

Amazing to me how the media is no longer so much about what is, as it is about whom you believe.

On the other hand, it is far too late for Europe do anything but "Embrace" the Muslims. They are far too numerous for you to do anything else.

That does not mean you must become Muslim, but you must find a way for everyone to get along.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:22 am

Oscar Namechange;1471819 wrote: How about this one ?

Articles: The Utter Failure of Obama
This political hack, who had the power to do anything during his first two years, could think of nothing more imaginative than (1) spending federal dollars like water based upon the ancient and failed “stimulus idea and (2) implementing an even greater failure – ask any Briton or Canadian – of nationalized health insurance simply, one suspects, because Barry had no keener mind or greater imagination than to pick up tired ideas of British Socialism eighty years old.
Yeah - Nationalised Health Insurance. A really bad idea. Ask any Briton.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:00 am

LarsMac;1471821 wrote: Amazing to me how the media is no longer so much about what is, as it is about whom you believe.

On the other hand, it is far too late for Europe do anything but "Embrace" the Muslims. They are far too numerous for you to do anything else.

That does not mean you must become Muslim, but you must find a way for everyone to get along.

Re-check my list as to what this country has done and Europe also for that matter. I'm waiting for someone to list what we have received In return, Seriously, what do you suggest we offer now?

We've all given and reality of what we;ve got In return Is this.

London

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:33 am

Allow Sharia law courts.................As have been Jewish Courts for centuries

Give free social housing................Because they are Muslim ? Don't be silly

Give free education.......................As UK citizens ?

Give free NHS health care.............As UK citizens ?

Allow polygamous marriage............So ?

Pay extra welfare for polygamous marriages.........As UK Citizens ?

Fund Mosques.........................Are you sure ?

Fund State Islamic schools.........Are you sure ?

Allow Halal slaughter.............ditto Kosher

Encourage Muslim leaders to stand In Elections.........As UK Citizens ?

Allow hate preachers to exercise the freedom of speech In the streets........Thats Freedom for you.......they are monitored of course.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:41 am

Bruv;1471834 wrote: Allow Sharia law courts.................As have been Jewish Courts for centuries

Give free social housing................Because they are Muslim ? Don't be silly

Give free education.......................As UK citizens ?

Give free NHS health care.............As UK citizens ?

Allow polygamous marriage............So ?

Pay extra welfare for polygamous marriages.........As UK Citizens ?

Fund Mosques.........................Are you sure ?

Fund State Islamic schools.........Are you sure ?

Allow Halal slaughter.............ditto Kosher

Encourage Muslim leaders to stand In Elections.........As UK Citizens ?

Allow hate preachers to exercise the freedom of speech In the streets........Thats Freedom for you.......they are monitored of course.

Now list what the country has received In return.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:53 am

Putting the extremists aside - they are only a small minority that most Muslims hold in contempt as an embarassment to Islam, many businesses are owned by Muslims, from the small corner shops to large corporations, each paying their way in taxes - just as any other citizen. Also, a very high proportion of Doctors & Nurses are Muslim.

The items you have listed, as Bruv has pointed out, are not exclusive to Muslims, but to everyone, yet typical Mail-esque spin, as well as adding a few non-truths deliberately make it look as if everything is purely for their benefit.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:23 am

Oscar Namechange;1471836 wrote: Now list what the country has received In return.

You are becoming more and more ridiculous.........shall we ask the same of the Jews who have been here longer and could have the same 'charges' leveled at them ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:28 am

FourPart;1471839 wrote: Putting the extremists aside - they are only a small minority that most Muslims hold in contempt as an embarassment to Islam, many businesses are owned by Muslims, from the small corner shops to large corporations, each paying their way in taxes - just as any other citizen. Also, a very high proportion of Doctors & Nurses are Muslim.

The items you have listed, as Bruv has pointed out, are not exclusive to Muslims, but to everyone, yet typical Mail-esque spin, as well as adding a few non-truths deliberately make it look as if everything is purely for their benefit. Not exclusive to Muslims ?

Tell me.... what other religion practices Sharia Law.

What other religion labels their slaughter Halal ? You can't say that Is not exclusive when the British were not even consulted about It entering our food chain.

What other religion enjoys polygamous marriages?

What other religion Is paid extra benefit for extra wives?

Muslim husbands with more than one wife to get extra benefits as ministers recognise polygamy - News - London Evening Standard

What other religion/race would send their children to a State Islamic school ?

What other religion/race would pray In a Mosque ?

Go on, tell me.... How are they NOT exclusive to just Muslims ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:36 am

Information regarding the cost and number of polygamous households is not available.

However, the current Government have decided to no longer recognise polygamous marriages and there are measures in the Welfare Reform Bill which will bring this change in policy into effect under universal credit as from 2013.13
(www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05051.pdf)

Muslims are not the only religion to recognise Polygamy. Mormons are another for a start.

Halal & Kosher are essentially the same thing, except in name, so not exclusive to Muslims. Barbaric as it may be, it's certainly nothing new in the UK.

I would have thought you would be a supporter of Sharia. To let them deal with their crimes in their own way. Castration for rape. Amputation for theft. Hanging / Beheading for murder. Isn't all that the sort of thing the BNP stands for?

Of course only Muslims worship in Mosques, as only Jews worship in Synagogues, or Christians in Churches / Cathedrals etc. No one has denied that. Your claim was that Mosques & Islamic Schools have been getting massive State Funding.

In 2011, about one third of the 20,000 state funded schools in England were faith schools,[10] approximately 7,000 in total, of which 68% were Church of England schools and 30% were Roman Catholic. There were 42 Jewish, 12 Muslim, 3 Sikh and 1 Hindu faith schools.[1]
(Faith school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Personally I am against all Faith Schools, whatever the creed.

Basically, the items you have listed are merely giving Muslims the rights afforded to everyone else. But, of course, you would oppose that, seeing them as an inferior species, wouldn't you.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:02 pm

Polygamous marriage is NOT allowed inside the UK.

Although it is recognised when entered into legally outside the UK, for the purposes of claiming Benefits.

Sharia Law is used the same as Beth Din within the Jewish faith for civil disputes NOT Criminal matters. Findings are binding, although both parties have to agree before hand, if not they can use the British Court.

Kosher slaughter has been carried out legally in the UK for hundreds of years.

Halal slaughter to the outsider is almost the same.

If Halal or Kosher meat is crossing over unlabeled into mainstream supply it is a food supply issue and should be treated as such.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:10 pm

I don't think that Obama, or anyone else expects you to simply accede to allowing muslim law to take over the country.

Simply put, you have a choice to embrace the people you have allowed into your country, though requiring them to live by the laws of the land, or forcefully packing them up and ejecting them from your country.

Which of those two do you expect to be the most successful?

You (the European) allowed this mess you find yourselves in to develop by letting them into your country, but then forcing the segregation that they found themselves in.

It is now up to you to find a reasonable solution.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:04 pm

Bruv;1471842 wrote: You are becoming more and more ridiculous.........shall we ask the same of the Jews who have been here longer and could have the same 'charges' leveled at them ?

Oh come now.... After all, your Party has been telling us for decades that mass Immigration Is beneficial to the country.... So come on then... what are the benefits ?

Or can't you answer again ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:24 pm

FourPart;1471845 wrote: (www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn05051.pdf)

Muslims are not the only religion to recognise Polygamy. Mormons are another for a start.

Halal & Kosher are essentially the same thing, except in name, so not exclusive to Muslims. Barbaric as it may be, it's certainly nothing new in the UK.

I would have thought you would be a supporter of Sharia. To let them deal with their crimes in their own way. Castration for rape. Amputation for theft. Hanging / Beheading for murder. Isn't all that the sort of thing the BNP stands for?

Of course only Muslims worship in Mosques, as only Jews worship in Synagogues, or Christians in Churches / Cathedrals etc. No one has denied that. Your claim was that Mosques & Islamic Schools have been getting massive State Funding.

(Faith school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Personally I am against all Faith Schools, whatever the creed.

Basically, the items you have listed are merely giving Muslims the rights afforded to everyone else. But, of course, you would oppose that, seeing them as an inferior species, wouldn't you.

Mormons do not practice Polygamy. If you are going to enter these debates, then at least get your facts right.

Do Mormons practice polygamy? | Mormon.org

If you seriously believe Halal and Kosher are the same thing, I give up. Tell a Jew to eat Halal. Tell a Muslim to eat Kosher. The only part linking the two Is the bleeding out of the animal. You need to research the rest.

The BNP would reInstate the death penalty. We do and always have opposed Sharia law. Under Sharia women are 2 nd rate citizens who are stoned to death for the penalty of getting raped. Young girls are murdered In Honour killings under Sharia. That's why It has no place In a civilised society. If you really believe the Far Right would want to see women stoned to death, then there's something wrong with you. However, your Party Is quite content to turn a blind eye to child rape on a mass scale. We didn't. We shouted It from the rooftops. Deal with It.

Next.... Show me where I said ' Massive state funding.

Your misInformation and lack of research makes you look ridiculous.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:13 pm

Mormons DID practice Plural marriage, and some claiming to be Mormon still do.

No Muslim can cite Sharia Law for a crime committed in the UK against UK Law as a defence.

Any so called Honour Killings in the UK would render the killers to the full weight of British Law.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:23 pm

Obama enrages Europe's Far Right

That's a Good Thing. Why would anyone want to Please the Far Right? I know pleasing the Far Right is the furthest thing from my mind.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:32 pm

AnneBoleyn;1471856 wrote: Obama enrages Europe's Far Right

That's a Good Thing. Why would anyone want to Please the Far Right? I know pleasing the Far Right is the furthest thing from my mind.
Another one of Obama's successes then.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:33 pm

LarsMac;1471848 wrote: I don't think that Obama, or anyone else expects you to simply accede to allowing muslim law to take over the country.

Simply put, you have a choice to embrace the people you have allowed into your country, though requiring them to live by the laws of the land, or forcefully packing them up and ejecting them from your country.

Which of those two do you expect to be the most successful?

You (the European) allowed this mess you find yourselves in to develop by letting them into your country, but then forcing the segregation that they found themselves in.

It is now up to you to find a reasonable solution.

There's an Irony to the BNP policy for The Labour Party under Gordon Brown In 2009 proposed the exact same policy and that Is paying those who wish to leave. Other countries are doing It.

Pay to Go: Countries Offer Cash to Immigrants Willing to Pack Their Bags | migrationpolicy.org

Only the Labour Party only offered £2,000 where we offered £30,000. The money would come from when we end all state oversea's aid.

There are thousands of Illegal Immigrants In this country that are trapped. they have paid their life savings to get here and are now living In fear and are being exploited In the food Industries as well as the sex Industry. They are broke and often living In appalling conditions, being paid a pittance by unscrupulous bosses. A cash lump sum and Immunity from prosecution would make a difference to their lives should they wish to return. Some are even housed In garden sheds by unscrupulous bosses. They can't come forward for fear of prosecution, reprisals from the bosses and being deported with nothing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ille ... -clampdown

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:34 pm

FourPart;1471859 wrote: Another one of Obama's successes then.

The Far Right Groups in Europe's story are Muslim violent fringe operations.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:38 pm

The Europeans have been great conquerors & colonizers, but not so good about integrating immigrants of different cultures & ethnicities. Fabulous rulers, though, sure get credit for that.

AA grumpy · Post by **AA grumpy** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:26 am

quote oscar Let's see

Allow Sharia law courts... Tick

Give free social housing.... Tick

Give free education.... Tick

Give free NHS health care.... Tick

Allow polygamous marriage.. Tick

Pay extra welfare for polygamous marriages.... Tick

Fund Mosques.... Tick

Fund State Islamic schools.... Tick

Allow Halal slaughter..... Tick

Encourage Muslim leaders to stand In Elections.... Tick

Allow hate preachers to exercise the freedom of speech In the streets.... Tick.. unquote

what about the other side of the coin the good muslims who work and pay taxes to our country the same muslims who deplored the paris shootings where will they stand with us or with their own as im sure they dont want to live under the third world hell hole they left behind to make a better life here will muslims turn on their own when the chips are down ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:30 pm

FourPart;1471859 wrote: Another one of Obama's successes then.

Yee HAW !

I thank him.

Not that I expect all that much, for now.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:55 pm

AA grumpy;1471884 wrote: quote oscar Let's see

Allow Sharia law courts... Tick

Give free social housing.... Tick

Give free education.... Tick

Give free NHS health care.... Tick

Allow polygamous marriage.. Tick

Pay extra welfare for polygamous marriages.... Tick

Fund Mosques.... Tick

Fund State Islamic schools.... Tick

Allow Halal slaughter..... Tick

Encourage Muslim leaders to stand In Elections.... Tick

Allow hate preachers to exercise the freedom of speech In the streets.... Tick.. unquote

what about the other side of the coin the good muslims who work and pay taxes to our country the same muslims who deplored the paris shootings where will they stand with us or with their own as im sure they dont want to live under the third world hell hole they left behind to make a better life here will muslims turn on their own when the chips are down ?

Many British Muslims find our hate preachers nothing but trouble.

Have you seen this ? It's hilarious.

How about more from Pat on the subject.