The Dumbmest President Ever

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:46 pm

AnneBoleyn;1473731 wrote: Spoilsport!

I have to hand it to Four

Part.

He closed the deal.

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:42 pm

FourPart;1473728 wrote: The Japanese surrender was unconditional, plain & simple - See 2nd paragraph.

Are you suggesting we ignore the first paragraph, which provides the context for paragraph two? It accepts the terms offered - the "provisions" - of the Potsdam declaration, and within that context it orders an unconditional surrender of all Japanese belligerents.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:34 am

Potsdam Declaration does not call for "unconditional surrender."

It does say

4. The time has come for Japan to decide whether she will continue to be controlled by those

self-willed militaristic advisers whose unintelligent calculations have brought the Empire

of Japan to the threshold of annihilation, or whether she will follow the path of reason.

5. Following are our terms. We will not deviate from them. There are no alternatives. We

shall brook no delay.

6. There must be eliminated for all time the authority and influence of those who have

deceived and misled the people of Japan into embarking on world conquest, for we insist

that a new order of peace, security and justice will be impossible until irresponsible

militarism is driven from the world.

As far as the Emperor, when he announced to his subjects the surrender, his fate was uncertain.

Emperor Hirohito, Accepting the Potsdam Declaration, Radio Broadcast

HOW THE UNITED STATES PROTECTED JAPANESE WAR CRIMINALS

AND FACILITATED JAPAN'S DENIAL OF WAR GUILT AND WAR CRIMES

Those actions were the protection of Emperor Hirohito from prosecution as a war criminal and the premature winding up of Allied war crime prosecutions in East Asia and the Pacific region. Both actions were based entirely on political expediency.

EMPEROR OF RUINS: HIROHITO IN POST-WAR JAPAN

History is written by winners. When a conflict ends and a truce is signed, the aims and philosophies of the vanquished — their justifications for fighting, whether they instigated the war or were simply defending themselves against an aggressor — the aims of the vanquished devolve into irrelevancies at the moment of capitulation. This is hardly an argument, however, that might makes right; anyone with even a tenuous grasp of history knows that might and right usually have little to do with one another. Instead, the old saying about history and winners is simply an acknowledgement of an ancient, if somewhat barbaric, understanding between warring nations: to the victor go the spoils, and nothing is more valuable than control of the conflict’s narrative.

That Hirohito was not tried for war crimes — as so many members of his military were — remains one of the most questionable decisions made by the Allies, and specifically by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, after the war. Hirohito was, by most accounts, fully engaged in the military decisions and the culture of domination that sparked the murderous invasion of China in the 1930s and spawned the savagery that defined the acts of so many Japanese troops throughout the Second World War.

Tokyo War Crimes Trials - Harry S. Truman Library

Background information

General Douglas MacArthur decided, with President Truman's concurrence, not to place Emporer Hirohito on trial. He was seen by the victors as a much needed leader and symbol for the new, peaceful and democratic Japan to arise from the ashes of WW II. The U.S. was entering a new Cold War era and needed a militarily purged, newly reborn Japan as any ally with Hirohito as its unifying symbol.

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:34 pm

Looks as if somebody has been yanked down off his High....

Never mind.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:30 pm

Mark Aspam;1473932 wrote: Looks as if somebody has been yanked down off his High....

Never mind.

Never mind.

OK

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:50 pm

tude dog;1473748 wrote: History is written by winners.

Precisely my point. Anyway ¦. did we decide who “The DumbMest President Ever is? If Bush Jr. is still on the board I'd like to cast my vote for him.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:37 am

High Threshold;1474015 wrote: Precisely my point. Anyway ¦. did we decide who “The DumbMest President Ever is? If Bush Jr. is still on the board I'd like to cast my vote for him.
I reckon it has to be equal shares for him & his Father. It proves the adage - "Like Father, Like Son".

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:24 am

FourPart;1474016 wrote: I reckon it has to be equal shares for him & his Father. It proves the adage - "Like Father, Like Son".

:wah: Could be, but I still think that no matter how dumb the father is, I reckon any intelligence he might have had must have skipped a generation.

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:42 am

FourPart;1474016 wrote: I reckon it has to be equal shares for him & his Father. It proves the adage - "Like Father, Like Son".

The father, by comparison, is a modern-day incarnation of St Francis of Assisi.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:11 am

spot;1474018 wrote: The father, by comparison, is a modern-day incarnation of St Francis of Assisi.unless ye were a Panamanian resident in the early 90s.

Post by **spot** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:20 am

Ahso!;1474024 wrote: unless ye were a Panamanian resident in the early 90s.

I'm sure St Francis trod on the occasional cat-rabbit.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:14 am

spot;1474018 wrote: The father, by comparison, is a modern-day incarnation of St Francis of Assisi.

Not to put too fine a point on it ¦. yes.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:19 am

spot;1474018 wrote: The father, by comparison, is a modern-day incarnation of St Francis of Assisi.

Exaggeration, IMO. But yes, no one in modern times has phuked us all up as badly as the comedy team of GW Cheney.

Post by **spot** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:51 am

AnneBoleyn;1474078 wrote: Exaggeration, IMO. But yes, no one in modern times has phuked us all up as badly as the comedy team of GW Cheney.

My literalist mind is utterly incapable of exaggeration. Bearing in mind the "by comparison", I think it was an accurate comment.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:32 pm

It is not about being dumb.

Obviously he is well educated.

Obama seeks more police training, avoids addressing Ferguson head-on managed to work his way into the White House.

Congrats

How about doing something about the animals which wander our streets?

Never mind.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:02 pm

Thought that was the Dog Catchers job ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:12 pm

Bruv;1474106 wrote: Thought that was the Dog Catchers job ?

You are correct.

We don't need his advice.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:17 pm

tude dog;1474104 wrote: It is not about being dumb.

Obviously he is well educated.

Obama seeks more police training, avoids addressing Ferguson head-on managed to work his way into the White House.

Congrats

How about doing something about the animals which wander our streets?

Never mind.

The problem is that the media insist on promoting the Ferguson issue as a Racist one, where a poor innocent, family apple pie loving, all American boy got murdered, just because of the colour of his skin rather than that he was an armed robber (proved by the CCTV footage) who got shot whilst trying to take a Police Officer's gun from him. After all, where's the readership value of just another crook getting gunned down as a consequence of his actions. For Obama to 'face it head on' just gives fuel to the fire by giving the media what they want.

Don't forget, Obama doesn't need votes any more. He's only allowed to do 2 consecutive stints, regardless of whether the public wants to democratically vote him in for a 3rd term or not, and he can hardly be accused of being Racist against Blacks.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:20 pm

FourPart;1474109 wrote:

Don't forget, Obama doesn't need votes any more. He's only allowed to do 2 consecutive stints, regardless of whether the public wants to democratically vote him in for a 3rd term or not, and he can hardly be accused of being Racist against Blacks.

Gosh, duh, didn't know that, thanks for the Civics lesson. OK, I'm kidding, you were just being informative for our European, ETC. brothers & sisters.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:08 pm

AnneBoleyn;1474128 wrote: Gosh, duh, didn't know that, thanks for the Civics lesson. OK, I'm kidding, you were just being informative for our European, ETC. brothers & sisters.

He brags, as long as he has a pen and telephone, by dictate, he can change law.

Not a concept taught in any civic class I ever heard of.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:15 pm

tude dog;1474136 wrote: He brags, as long as he has a pen and telephone, by dictate, he can change law.

Not a concept taught in any civic class I ever heard of.

I DEMAND a link for that, in reference to changing term limit, or anything else. TY.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:10 pm

tude dog;1474104 wrote: It is not about being dumb.

Obviously he is well educated ........

I honestly don't believe that. Having degrees isn't necessarily a sign of being well-educated. Lots of wealthy families pay their way through colleges and universities. And you know what the fellow who graduates last in his class is called, don't you? “Graduate.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:19 am

High Threshold;1474146 wrote: I honestly don't believe that. Having degrees isn't necessarily a sign of being well-educated. Lots of wealthy families pay their way through colleges and universities. And you know what the fellow who graduates last in his class is called, don't you? “Graduate.

Top 10 celebs without A-levels: Including Simon Cowell, Kate Moss, Cheryl Cole, Richard Branson, and Robbie Williams | Metro News

Includes a couple of the world's top busines geniuses, Sir Richard Branson & Lord Alan Sugar. Neither with any qualifications to their names.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:42 am

FourPart;1474149 wrote: Top 10 celebs without A-levels: Including Simon Cowell, Kate Moss, Cheryl Cole, Richard Branson, and Robbie Williams | Metro News

Includes a couple of the world's top busines geniuses, Sir Richard Branson & Lord Alan Sugar. Neither with any qualifications to their names.

True dat. A good number of years ago there was an Egyptian-born Swedish citizen by the name of Refaat el-Sayed . He took over a failing company called Fermenta . He turned it round and made it an extremely successful business, employing ¦.. well, lots! He was even crowned “Swede of the Year. But some nosey reporter with a personal dislike for Refaat started to dig. He found out that Refaat had falsified his university achievements and awards. In short, he was not qualified for the job he took on. He ended up in prison! :wah:

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:33 pm

AnneBoleyn;1474137 wrote: I DEMAND a link for that, in reference to changing term limit, or anything else. TY.

You DEMAND?

All you have to do is ask.

Of course term limits can only be changed by a Constitutional amendment.

Changing law by dictate was an exaggeration. It is no secret BHO is not very good when it comes to horse trading.

Obama Threatens More Executive Action: ‘I’ve Got a Pen and I’ve Got a Phone’

President Barack Obama’s path around Congress will be a pen and phone, he said in remarks before a cabinet meeting Tuesday, affirming his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals.

Texas Federal Court Enjoins Obama Immigration Executive Action

Finally somebody is pushing back.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:54 pm

tude dog;1474214 wrote: 1. You DEMAND?

All you have to do is ask.

2. Of course term limits can only be changed by a Constitutional amendment.

Changing law by dictate was an exaggeration. It is no secret BHO is not very good when it comes to horse trading.

3. Obama Threatens More Executive Action: ‘I’ve Got a Pen and I’ve Got a Phone’

Texas Federal Court Enjoins Obama Immigration Executive Action

Finally somebody is pushing back.

1. Just being Friendly, or Fiendly, the new word around here.

2. Of course, my point exactly.

3. Executive action is open to any president, not just this one.

Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:16 pm

High Threshold;1474146 wrote: I honestly don't believe that. Having degrees isn't necessarily a sign of being well-educated. Lots of wealthy families pay their way through colleges and universities. And you know what the fellow who graduates last in his class is called, don't you? “Graduate.

He was there.

Didn't say he had any smarts.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:23 pm

tude dog;1474231 wrote: He was there.

Didn't say he had any smarts.

Yep.

Post by **spot** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:31 pm

tude dog;1474104 wrote: It is not about being dumb.

Obviously he is well educated.

I never had the impression GWB made decisions during his White House tenure as President, the feel was far more that he was told what was going to happen and what to say. His dad, as President, at least had a significant voice in his own Administration's direction.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:22 pm

spot;1474324 wrote: I never had the impression GWB made decisions during his White House tenure as President, the feel was far more that he was told what was going to happen and what to say. His dad, as President, at least had a significant voice in his own Administration's direction.

And I was of the impression that the qualifications for a dupe was ¦. being dumb. But maybe I was misinformed.

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:04 am

High Threshold;1474345 wrote: And I was of the impression that the qualifications for a dupe was ¦. being dumb. But maybe I was misinformed.

Merely a willingness to front a team which turned out to be lethally untrustworthy, I'd have thought. The team existed and it needed a telegenic stooge with adequate political credentials.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:28 am

spot;1474083 wrote: My literalist mind is utterly incapable of exaggeration. Bearing in mind the "by comparison", I think it was an accurate comment.Embellishing and exaggerating and making up stories? Yes. Flat out lying? No - impossible without it showing with neon markers.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:06 am

spot;1474347 wrote: Merely a willingness to front a team which turned out to be lethally untrustworthy, I'd have thought. The team existed and it needed a telegenic stooge with adequate political credentials.

A willingness to front a lethally untrustworthy team ¦.. or a willingness to front a team that unbeknownst to him was lethally untrustworthy?

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:57 am

High Threshold;1474378 wrote: A willingness to front a lethally untrustworthy team ¦.. or a willingness to front a team that unbeknownst to him was lethally untrustworthy?

You'd need to try the whole pack of them at a war crimes trial to find that out. America will be irredeemably stained until that despicable Administration is thoroughly and impartially investigated.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:23 am

spot;1474435 wrote: You'd need to try the whole pack of them at a war crimes trial to find that out. America will be irredeemably stained until that despicable Administration is thoroughly and impartially investigated.

I'm not really sure about that. I can't quote George Orwell or Josef GÃ¶bbels but both of them said something about repeating a lie (or a cover story/cover up) long enough till it's accepted as truth. Go to any discussion forum where there is a dominant, American membership and you can argue till the end of time with those who say the invasion of Irak had nothing to do with WMD's ¦.. but was for the purpose of “a regime change. Introducing the question of oil, reinstating the petrol-DOLLAR, business advantages, etc. is met with a stiff palm. It was a regime change, that's all there was to it. Or just talk with Lenn, here on another thread, who will probably tell you that talk of anything less than righteous acts by the west is instigated by “Muslim propaganda. So the stain is bleaching out in the sun out it seems.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:21 am

I sometimes tease people when asked why this or that happened, and they put forward their point of view.

I say that that is the "Excuse" not the "Reason"............sometimes.....us the public, the electorate, get told the "Excuse" and accept it as the "Reason"

We never get to know the real reason until there is an Inquiry..............and most times not even then.