Jihadists Attack Texas Event

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon May 04, 2015 6:59 am

While there is something to be said about the wisdom of "poking a tiger with a stick," I'll defend the right of free speech, even objectionable free speech. The cartoonists had the right to hold their meeting without violence.

Then there's the stupid extremists, walking into a SWAT team. I heard the whole gunfight lasted 15 seconds. Must be kind of embarrassing for them in Hell.

The organizer is pointing out that Islam (and there's where I part ways, I don't identify all Islamics as radicals) is similar to Fascism and inherently intolerant. She says this proves it.

What do you think?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:36 am

I don't know what you are talking about. Please provide a link.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:52 am

This event was designed to be provocative, but while saying that I am of the opinion that after the Danish cartoon carry on and recently the Charlie Hebdo affair the worlds press should have printed them all in solidarity.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:58 am

AnneBoleyn;1478541 wrote: I don't know what you are talking about. Please provide a link.

Hello Anne. HERE

Post by **spot** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:13 am

I think America's governments have learned how to grow their own extremists. It's not difficult, you just have to collaterally disadvantage several hundreds of millions of their cousins and co-religionists around the planet for several decades and Bob's your uncle, domestic extremism delivered to order. What more could a White House administration want.

Having volunteer hard-core Christians eager to press buttons while protected by a paramilitary platoon helps, of course.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:30 am

It certainly does seem to demonstrate a lack of intelligence on the part of the extremists concerned. From the outset it was obviously going to be a suicide mission. I doubt anyone's got any doubt about that. So they go in with handguns into a crowded areas swarming with Security, instead of the usual TNT Waistcoat?

ISIS have claimed responsibility. No real bragging rights for them, but it's sure as hell going to get a load more Yanks riled up who may have originally been opposed to getting involved in the battle against them. Is there a Yank term for NIMBY?

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:42 am

FourPart;1478552 wrote: It certainly does seem to demonstrate a lack of intelligence on the part of the extremists concerned. From the outset it was obviously going to be a suicide mission. I doubt anyone's got any doubt about that. So they go in with handguns into a crowded areas swarming with Security, instead of the usual TNT Waistcoat?

ISIS have claimed responsibility. No real bragging rights for them, but it's sure as hell going to get a load more Yanks riled up who may have originally been opposed to getting involved in the battle against them. Is there a Yank term for NIMBY?

If something bad "kicks off", it invariably changes public opinion, simply because it's "so close to home".

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:43 am

FourPart;1478552 wrote: Is there a Yank term for NIMBY?

I apologise already...........but I think that is.............American

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Mon May 04, 2015 8:46 am

AnneBoleyn;1478541 wrote: I don't know what you are talking about. Please provide a link.

https://gma.yahoo.com/official-one-texa ... ories.html

There was a Muhammad Cartoon Contest Event in Texas by a group that despises Islam. They knew that it might attract attention of would-be lone wolves, (actually, I think they were hoping they WOULD attract that kind of attention) so they hired SWAT team members and about 10,000 dollars of extra security. Sure enough, two home-grown extremists showed up, jumped out of the car, got off a couple of shots, wounding a security guard in the ankle.

The SWAT members opened fire with M4s immediately, shredding the wanna-bes into little bitty pieces. (Note to future terrorists: Texas is a BAD place to plan an attack.)

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:00 am

Bruv;1478557 wrote: I apologise already...........but I think that is.............American
Is it? Well, for once, it fits.

Edit:

Origin and history

The Oxford English Dictionary identifies the acronym's earliest use as being in 1980 in the Christian Science Monitor, although even there the author indicates the term is already used in the hazardous waste industry.[3][4] The concept behind the term, that of locally organized resistance to unwanted land uses, is likely to have originated earlier. One suggestion is it emerged in the 1950s.[5]

In the 1980s, the term was popularized by British politician Nicholas Ridley, who was Conservative Secretary of State for the Environment.[citation needed] Comedian George Carlin used the term in a comedy skit, implying that people had already heard of it. [6]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY#Origin_and_history)

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:09 am

Saint_;1478558 wrote: Texas is a BAD place to plan an attack.

Do you know the tale of Brer Rabbit and the briar patch ?

You are talking of people that fly planes into sky scrapers for the glory, Texas was made for them in heaven.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon May 04, 2015 4:16 pm

I think these guys were trolling to see how many Muslims would come out a protest the event. It did not seem to capture nearly as much attention as they had hoped. The two wannabe jihadists that showed up were probably high on something, and obviously did not think things through very well. I suspect that the telephone call claiming ISIS credit came from somewhere in Garland, TX.

Post by **spot** » Mon May 04, 2015 4:55 pm

LarsMac;1478616 wrote: The two wannabe jihadists that showed up were probably high on something, and obviously did not think things through very well.
There may be an unAmerican mindset involved, whereby one life lost in Texas is seen as a rallying cry to many lives elsewhere. That sort of thinking was pervasive in the ancient world, people from 2,500 years ago are still known by name for behaving that way. Would you like an example, from Livy? Many cultures used to regard a good death as a desirable end.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 05, 2015 5:51 am

spot;1478617 wrote: That sort of thinking was pervasive in the ancient world, people from 2,500 years ago are still known by name for behaving that way......................Many cultures used to regard a good death as a desirable end.

It is pretty pervasive in certain quarters in the modern world (where have you been?)

Spend an evening in an Irish pub and you might hear songs to people that died in living memory.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 7:00 am

That'll be Bobby McGee, will it? Feeling good was easy, and suchlike.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:02 am

I didn't even know the event was happening until the shooting started. Reports say about 200 attended the event ( in total ) and only 40 were there at the time of the shooting. What a bunch of idiots!

Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas | Q13 FOX News

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:29 am

The organizers wanted to inflame tensions, the attackers wanted to inflame tensions, it's win-win. Hard-core American Christians are inflamed, millions of Muslims worldwide are inflamed and the US security agencies get to expand some more. If they handed out Congressional Medals of Honor posthumously to all concerned it would reflect no more than the truth of who benefits.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 05, 2015 8:51 am

spot;1478638 wrote: That'll be Bobby McGee, will it? Feeling good was easy, and suchlike.

I was thinking more like THIS........but................whatever.

Here you go.........................all together now.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue May 05, 2015 9:59 am

Well, the truth is out.

Those two were just the spearhead of the invasion to come.

ï¿½ Feds Preparing to Invade Texas, List State as ‘Hostile’ Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue May 05, 2015 10:06 am

I was thinking more along the lines of Bobby Sands. I may not have agreed with what he stood for but, rightly or wrongly, one has to admire his comittment to his cause

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 05, 2015 10:57 am

FourPart;1478662 wrote: I was thinking more along the lines of Bobby Sands. I may not have agreed with what he stood for but, rightly or wrongly, one has to admire his comittment to his cause

Oh him too..........My point being that people will die for a cause, and you don't have to go back too many years or very far from home to find people who remember them with pride.

The Ballad of Bobby Sands

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue May 05, 2015 12:44 pm

Texans does't need a SWAT team to take out one of Obama's JV teams.

A traffic officer working off-duty security and SWAT officers fatally shot two men wearing body armor and armed with assault rifles Sunday who began shooting outside a Prophet Muhammad cartoon art contest in Garland, "saving lives," police say.

The guard, identified as 58-year-old Bruce Joiner, was wounded in the ankle. The police officer, who has requested his name not be released, began shooting back with his duty pistol and killed the armed men, Harn said.

NBCDFW

I am more of the 'lone wolf' opinion, even though ISIS Takes Credit for the Texas Attack

On Tuesday, ISIS took to its radio station to boast that the men who attacked the Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest in Garland, Texas, on Sunday night were "two soldiers of the caliphate."

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:31 pm

tude dog;1478682 wrote: I am more of the 'lone wolf' opinion

The Caliphate can enroll soldiers posthumously. In that regard (as in so much else), ISIS resemble the Mormons.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:35 pm

Bruv;1478670 wrote: Oh him too..........My point being that people will die for a cause, and you don't have to go back too many years or very far from home to find people who remember them with pride.

The Ballad of Bobby Sands

Remember Bobby Sands very well, with great sadness.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:37 pm

For non American nonsports fans, JV stands for junior varsity, and it usually means a high school or college's secondary team.

Seems to an outsider, that a couple of gun carrying Texans shot a couple of gun carrying Texans with tans.

Now we all need to know why.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:39 pm

Pamela Geller, the most evil bitch in the world, was behind this too. She is a hateful human being, a disgrace. Look her up to see her many "accomplishments". The best day in her life was 9/11/01 which launched her career. Nasty.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:43 pm

AnneBoleyn;1478691 wrote: Pamela Geller, the most evil bitch in the world, was behind this too.
You speak as someone who evidently never met Sarah Ferguson.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:46 pm

spot;1478694 wrote: You speak as someone who evidently never met Sarah Ferguson.

Could you put in some warning when being jocular......LOL will do, or a smilie.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:49 pm

spot;1478694 wrote: You speak as someone who evidently never met Sarah Ferguson.

No comparison silly man.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:49 pm

spot;1478694 wrote: You speak as someone who evidently never met Sarah Ferguson.

I don't think Sarah Ferguson at her worst ever campaigned against "creeping Sharia"

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:51 pm

Bruv;1478690 wrote: For non American nonsports fans, JV stands for junior varsity, and it usually means a high school or college's secondary team.

Seems to an outsider, that a couple of gun carrying Texans shot a couple of gun carrying Texans with tans.

Now we all need to know why.

Tude is referring to a remark by Obama, a mistaken assessment, that ISIS was JV in comparison to other terrorist groups, like the Rethuglican Party.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:15 pm

AnneBoleyn;1478697 wrote: No comparison silly man.

Snowfire;1478698 wrote: I don't think Sarah Ferguson at her worst ever campaigned against "creeping Sharia"

Oh dear... I thought to myself, who's the woman least capable of upsetting anybody on the planet and Sarah Ferguson was my first candidate. I really must stop trying to amuse people, it never works.

Bruv;1478695 wrote: Could you put in some warning when being jocular......LOL will do, or a smilie.

Technically, my delivery falls into the "deadpan" category.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:18 pm

AnneBoleyn;1478699 wrote: Tude is referring to a remark by Obama, a mistaken assessment, that ISIS was JV in comparison to other terrorist groups, like the Rethuglican Party.

a mistaken assessment

Really?

Unfortunately, one of many that isn't the worst of his 'mistaken assessments'

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:19 pm

spot;1478704 wrote: Oh dear... I thought to myself, who's the woman least capable of upsetting anybody on the planet and Sarah Ferguson was my first candidate. I really must stop trying to amuse people, it never works.

No I did chuckle a little, after an embarrassing pause, you just need more practice.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:20 pm

Do you Americans seriously not recognize that the White House is trying to establish an ISIS victory in Syria? You must have really strange news channels.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:29 pm

spot: "Technically, my delivery falls into the "deadpan" category."

More like "dead" category. :wah:

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:30 pm

spot;1478707 wrote: Do you Americans seriously not recognize that the White House is trying to establish an ISIS victory in Syria? You must have really strange news channels.

Explain the theory behind that, please. I'm ready to give credence to any well thought out argument.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue May 05, 2015 2:57 pm

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:01 pm

spot;1478707 wrote: Do you Americans seriously not recognize that the White House is trying to establish an ISIS victory in Syria? You must have really strange news channels.

Oh NO!

I would never say that of BHO.

It is more a case of incompetence.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:10 pm

AnneBoleyn;1478709 wrote: Explain the theory behind that, please. I'm ready to give credence to any well thought out argument.

Perhaps you could say whether Cameron’s unthinking policy on Syria has fuelled the rise of British jihadism | Peter Ford | Comment is free | The Guardian is similar to what you've been hearing elsewhere this year. It's written by one of our ex-ambassadors to Syria.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:17 pm

Bruv;1478690 wrote: For non American nonsports fans, JV stands for junior varsity, and it usually means a high school or college's secondary team.

Seems to an outsider, that a couple of gun carrying Texans shot a couple of gun carrying Texans with tans.

Now we all need to know why.

No we don't. Sh!t just happens.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed May 06, 2015 1:10 pm

Originally Posted by spot

Do you Americans seriously not recognize that the White House is trying to establish an ISIS victory in Syria? You must have really strange news channels.

AB: Explain the theory behind that, please. I'm ready to give credence to any well thought out argument.

spot: Perhaps you could say whether Cameron’s unthinking policy on Syria has fuelled the rise of British jihadism | Peter Ford | Comment is free | The Guardian is similar to what you've been hearing elsewhere this year. It's written by one of our ex-ambassadors to Syria.

Where in your answer do you prove your original remark? If it's there, I don't see it.

Post by **spot** » Wed May 06, 2015 1:51 pm

Does it not say there's no secular opposition in Syria? That the only opposition to the secular republic of President Assad is the extremist Islamic Sunni factions of which ISIS is overwhelmingly the largest? That the only power in the region capable of defeating ISIS in Syria is the national armed forces of the secular republic of President Assad? And that the White House has continually demanded the fall of the President Assad's administration as the essential component to ending the Western-sponsored war in Syria?

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Thu May 07, 2015 6:11 am

spot;1478752 wrote: Does it not say there's no secular opposition in Syria? That the only opposition to the secular republic of President Assad is the extremist Islamic Sunni factions of which ISIS is overwhelmingly the largest? That the only power in the region capable of defeating ISIS in Syria is the national armed forces of the secular republic of President Assad? And that the White House has continually demanded the fall of the President Assad's administration as the essential component to ending the Western-sponsored war in Syria?

Is it incompetence from BHO, or is it American policy to unseat president Assad? It could be argued either way. The consequence of unseating Assad will be a "power Vacuum" enabling ISIS to flourish in this region. As I've said before, dictators are bad, but the alternatives can be worse! (Iraq,Libya)

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 07, 2015 7:31 am

spot;1478752 wrote: Does it not say there's no secular opposition in Syria? That the only opposition to the secular republic of President Assad is the extremist Islamic Sunni factions of which ISIS is overwhelmingly the largest? That the only power in the region capable of defeating ISIS in Syria is the national armed forces of the secular republic of President Assad? And that the White House has continually demanded the fall of the President Assad's administration as the essential component to ending the Western-sponsored war in Syria?

Not just the White House, but Congress, especially Senator John McCain. Since the opposition to Assad began YEARS before ISIS, I still fail to see how you made the point of: "Do you Americans seriously not recognize that the White House is trying to establish an ISIS victory in Syria? You must have really strange news channels." It's shrill & condescending. Americans, Europeans, EVERYONE, is equally dumb. The general populace, I mean.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu May 07, 2015 8:48 am

Smaug;1478776 wrote:

As I've said before, dictators are bad, but the alternatives can be worse! (Iraq,Libya)

King George Colonials / Independant America.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 07, 2015 3:25 pm

FourPart;1478786 wrote: King George Colonials / Independant America.

What does that mean?

Post by **spot** » Thu May 07, 2015 3:31 pm

AnneBoleyn;1478784 wrote: Since the opposition to Assad began YEARS before ISISNo no no - just changing the label doesn't mean there's no continuity with previous anti-Western freedom fighters (wasn't that Reagan's term for terrorist guerilla movements, Islamic or otherwise? Can we still use it these days?). ISIS is a direct lineal descendant of the movement once headed by Osama bin Laden - Reagan's favorite freedom fighter, if you remember? And what was Osama bin Laden's stated intention? To destroy the USA, was it, and everyone laughed at the impossibility? The US is now scarcely what it was when he said it, if you'll pardon the observation.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu May 07, 2015 4:05 pm

spot;1478808 wrote: No no no - just changing the label doesn't mean there's no continuity with previous anti-Western freedom fighters (wasn't that Reagan's term for terrorist guerilla movements, Islamic or otherwise? Can we still use it these days?). ISIS is a direct lineal descendant of the movement once headed by Osama bin Laden - Reagan's favorite freedom fighter, if you remember? And what was Osama bin Laden's stated intention? To destroy the USA, was it, and everyone laughed at the impossibility? The US is now scarcely what it was when he said it, if you'll pardon the observation.

Bin Laden had no beef with the US until the Saudis let Daddy Bush park his troops in Saudi Arabia for the assault to run Saddam out of Kuwait.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 07, 2015 4:51 pm

LarsMac;1478814 wrote: Bin Laden had no beef with the US until the Saudis let Daddy Bush park his troops in Saudi Arabia for the assault to run Saddam out of Kuwait.

I'm sure Osama bin Laden was on very good terms with the US agencies he'd have come into contact with at various stages in his career, yes. But you'll agree, I hope, that he did say, when interviewed after 9/11 in Afghanistan, that his intention was to destroy the USA. I could find Robert Fisk's article and quote the appropriate passage if it helps.