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Comparing actuality to the poll of polls it would appear that labour is down and UKIP up against yesterday's expectations in almost all results declared so far.
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Lib Dem and Independent both well down on even their poor expectations in all cases
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If exit polls were trustworthy, Romney would be our president, now.
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It looks like we have the SNP to thank for giving us another CONservative Government. All the seat they took from Labour would have kept them out.
I was stunned when I woke up to the announcement on the radio of this previously safe Labour seat having been taken by Royston Smith, another CON. True, I was expecting a lower majority now that John Denham is retiring in favour of Rowena Davis, but for it to be taken by CON is unheard of. When Royston Smith was on the Council he tried to cut back the Social Service staff & to reduce their wages by 5%. This reswulted in everyone refusing to sign the new contracts accepting the terms. He tried doing the same with the Refuse Services, resulting in Bin Strikes. He tried to make bin collections 3 weekly. He tried to increase Council Tax by 30%. The list goes on - and now he's an MP - God help us all!!
I was stunned when I woke up to the announcement on the radio of this previously safe Labour seat having been taken by Royston Smith, another CON. True, I was expecting a lower majority now that John Denham is retiring in favour of Rowena Davis, but for it to be taken by CON is unheard of. When Royston Smith was on the Council he tried to cut back the Social Service staff & to reduce their wages by 5%. This reswulted in everyone refusing to sign the new contracts accepting the terms. He tried doing the same with the Refuse Services, resulting in Bin Strikes. He tried to make bin collections 3 weekly. He tried to increase Council Tax by 30%. The list goes on - and now he's an MP - God help us all!!
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FourPart;1478828 wrote: It looks like we have the SNP to thank for giving us another CONservative Government. All the seat they took from Labour would have kept them out.
I was stunned when I woke up to the announcement on the radio of this previously safe Labour seat having been taken by Royston Smith, another CON. True, I was expecting a lower majority now that John Denham is retiring in favour of Rowena Davis, but for it to be taken by CON is unheard of. When Royston Smith was on the Council he tried to cut back the Social Service staff & to reduce their wages by 5%. This reswulted in everyone refusing to sign the new contracts accepting the terms. He tried doing the same with the Refuse Services, resulting in Bin Strikes. He tried to make bin collections 3 weekly. He tried to increase Council Tax by 30%. The list goes on - and now he's an MP - God help us all!!
For the last thirty years scotland has returned a majority of non tory MP's and we still get stuck with tory governments the present coalition has NO scottish conservative MP's.
Arithmetic is not your strong point the tories look like having 325 seats and even with all the scottish seats labour would not be forming a government might still be able to block cameron except miliband is on record as not willing to do a deal with anyone. Looks like I was right about the libdems thay are finished. BBC is incredibly biased talking about the snp having only 5% of the vote and getting 55 seats - it over 50% of the scottish vote they breally miss the point.
Don't blame the scots for the tories blame the idiots that vote for them.
I was stunned when I woke up to the announcement on the radio of this previously safe Labour seat having been taken by Royston Smith, another CON. True, I was expecting a lower majority now that John Denham is retiring in favour of Rowena Davis, but for it to be taken by CON is unheard of. When Royston Smith was on the Council he tried to cut back the Social Service staff & to reduce their wages by 5%. This reswulted in everyone refusing to sign the new contracts accepting the terms. He tried doing the same with the Refuse Services, resulting in Bin Strikes. He tried to make bin collections 3 weekly. He tried to increase Council Tax by 30%. The list goes on - and now he's an MP - God help us all!!
For the last thirty years scotland has returned a majority of non tory MP's and we still get stuck with tory governments the present coalition has NO scottish conservative MP's.
Arithmetic is not your strong point the tories look like having 325 seats and even with all the scottish seats labour would not be forming a government might still be able to block cameron except miliband is on record as not willing to do a deal with anyone. Looks like I was right about the libdems thay are finished. BBC is incredibly biased talking about the snp having only 5% of the vote and getting 55 seats - it over 50% of the scottish vote they breally miss the point.
Don't blame the scots for the tories blame the idiots that vote for them.
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Cameron is about to re-run Major's final administration. One can only wonder at how much Tory Sleaze we can expect to see in the remainder of the decade if Mister Plastic only has an absolute majority of three MPs.
The electorate is an ass.David Cameron did two big things in his acceptance speech in Oxfordshire. He emphasised some of the compassionate Conservativism of his earlier leadership that many of his party feel has been not obvious enough during the campaign. But at the close of his speech, he gave a big pitch to preserve the UK, to unite the country and work to keep the country together.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2015-32594267
Bogus tosser. Hooray Henry has been unleashed, that's what happened. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them. As the Gospel artfully comments, "consider carefully how you listen".
The electorate is an ass.David Cameron did two big things in his acceptance speech in Oxfordshire. He emphasised some of the compassionate Conservativism of his earlier leadership that many of his party feel has been not obvious enough during the campaign. But at the close of his speech, he gave a big pitch to preserve the UK, to unite the country and work to keep the country together.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2015-32594267
Bogus tosser. Hooray Henry has been unleashed, that's what happened. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them. As the Gospel artfully comments, "consider carefully how you listen".
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FourPart;1478828 wrote: It looks like we have the SNP to thank for giving us another CONservative Government. All the seat they took from Labour would have kept them out.
That's blatantly not the case at all. If every SNP seat had instead fallen to Labour, the Tories would still have the same absolute majority we just heard announced. If the SNP amalgamated today with Labour and pooled their seats for the next five years, the Tories would still have the same absolute majority we just heard announced.
That's blatantly not the case at all. If every SNP seat had instead fallen to Labour, the Tories would still have the same absolute majority we just heard announced. If the SNP amalgamated today with Labour and pooled their seats for the next five years, the Tories would still have the same absolute majority we just heard announced.
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"Ed Balls asked for recount after trailing by 200 or so votes"?
What a wally Mr Balls is, then.
At least we won't have to put up with him as the next Party leader.
What a wally Mr Balls is, then.
At least we won't have to put up with him as the next Party leader.
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Kevin Maguire says "Miliband has two choices: resign today or tomorrow". Mr Maguire omits Mr Miliband's third option, which is to leave the country until his name has been forgotten from the minds of men.
May we please have a proper Socialist in his place? Does the Labour party still possess one?
If I ever hear the word Miliband again after today, I shall spit.
May we please have a proper Socialist in his place? Does the Labour party still possess one?
If I ever hear the word Miliband again after today, I shall spit.
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And the turnout was 66%, a point higher than five years ago. A step in the right direction.
And UKIP got a seat after all. That's regrettable.
And UKIP got a seat after all. That's regrettable.
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Steven Williams in Bristol West lost to Labour after serving two terms. He was a good constituency MP, I'm sorry to see him go.
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Same old same old, tories back in despite oiver 60% of the population voting against them. No danger of us getting Proportional representation any time soon.
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"The hyena can bounce on the lion’s grave but it can never be a lion and in any case, I’m not in my grave". - George Galloway, 8th May 2015.
Tell it, George. You're a great man.
Respect.
Tell it, George. You're a great man.
Respect.
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The Liberal Democrats have never in their entire history had fewer than 20 seats until today. Now they have 8. You have to go back to the old Liberal Party under Jeremy Thorpe, 45 years ago, to find a smaller parliamentary representation.
Mr Clegg was perhaps somewhat short-sighted when he decided to grab hold of the tiger's bollocks five years ago.
Mr Clegg was perhaps somewhat short-sighted when he decided to grab hold of the tiger's bollocks five years ago.
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I do like this gem from the BBC live report page...Polling expert John Curtice says: "With 618 of the 632 seats in Great Britain declared so far, the Lib Dems have lost as many as 338 deposits."
He says the party has already lost more deposits than at any previous election. The closest was 319 in 1950 - on that occasion, the deposit was lost when a candidate polled less than 12.5% of the vote rather than 5%.
"We're hearing that Nick Clegg will be making a speech at about 11.30am"? I bet we are, too. Were he Roman he'd have disemboweled himself by now.
He says the party has already lost more deposits than at any previous election. The closest was 319 in 1950 - on that occasion, the deposit was lost when a candidate polled less than 12.5% of the vote rather than 5%.
"We're hearing that Nick Clegg will be making a speech at about 11.30am"? I bet we are, too. Were he Roman he'd have disemboweled himself by now.
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The only good news of the day is that Boris is back in the House. Should he savage Cameron's ankles I'll be delighted.
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In other news,A Met copper received "management advice" after it emerged he had "participated in a pornographic film aimed at the gay market for which he had been paid money," a Freedom of Information response to El Reg has revealed.
It is not clear from the response whether the officer in question was in uniform at the time or whether any police equipment was used.
Cop in gay porn film advised to put his helmet away • The Register
Sorry, couldn't resist.
It is not clear from the response whether the officer in question was in uniform at the time or whether any police equipment was used.
Cop in gay porn film advised to put his helmet away • The Register
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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arrgghhh most of Cornwall is now Conservative.
Still waiting for the St Ives count, around 4pm is the current guess.
Still waiting for the St Ives count, around 4pm is the current guess.
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Murphy’s out in historic Portillo moment ... but he vows to go on | Politics | The National
BELEAGUERED Labour leader Jim Murphy’s political career came crashing down as he was sensationally booted out of Westminster today by the SNP after 18 years in his “safe East Renfrewshire seat.
The Nationalists romped to victory for the first time in the political history of the constituency, blowing Murphy out of the water with a whopping 23,013 votes.
The most westminster seats the snp have ever managed was eleven. If the tories deliver on that referendum vow you can probably kiss goodbye to the union sometime in the next ten years or so.
It shouldn't have been a surprise to the libdems that if they lose their core support they were done for no one voted for them to go in to a coalition with the tories or blow the chance at getting PR through as part of any deal.
BELEAGUERED Labour leader Jim Murphy’s political career came crashing down as he was sensationally booted out of Westminster today by the SNP after 18 years in his “safe East Renfrewshire seat.
The Nationalists romped to victory for the first time in the political history of the constituency, blowing Murphy out of the water with a whopping 23,013 votes.
The most westminster seats the snp have ever managed was eleven. If the tories deliver on that referendum vow you can probably kiss goodbye to the union sometime in the next ten years or so.
It shouldn't have been a surprise to the libdems that if they lose their core support they were done for no one voted for them to go in to a coalition with the tories or blow the chance at getting PR through as part of any deal.
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I'm delighted to observe that the word Miliband need never again be used in polite society. The dreadfully unwinning Labour MP is no longer the Party's leader. Huzzah. It's shameful that he ever was in the first place.
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Now that the UK General Election is done and dusted and results are now filtering in..............
Welcome to the 'One Party Government'. Now that Tories seem to have achieved (through the voters' ignorance and lack of foresight) a majority sufficient to form the government, there is now ineffective opposition ! PR would have been a fairer voting system, but this country is rapidly descending to the pits. Mainly because people haven't got the balls to rebel. Scotland have got balls and France have got balls, but the whimpy English are too sheeplike. I can foresee further cuts in resources, in benefits to the most needy. I can foresee continuing 'blind eyes' with regard to big business tax payments (The government are too scared to insist that these big concerns pay up the billions of tax they owe, because they believe 'big concerns' could quite easily take their companies to other countries !). I can foresee the privatisation of the NHS. etc etc. The unthinking voters have brought this on themselves.
Old as I am, as soon as I can gather sufficient funds for passports, I shall seriously consider leaving this country that I used to be proud of.
Welcome to the 'One Party Government'. Now that Tories seem to have achieved (through the voters' ignorance and lack of foresight) a majority sufficient to form the government, there is now ineffective opposition ! PR would have been a fairer voting system, but this country is rapidly descending to the pits. Mainly because people haven't got the balls to rebel. Scotland have got balls and France have got balls, but the whimpy English are too sheeplike. I can foresee further cuts in resources, in benefits to the most needy. I can foresee continuing 'blind eyes' with regard to big business tax payments (The government are too scared to insist that these big concerns pay up the billions of tax they owe, because they believe 'big concerns' could quite easily take their companies to other countries !). I can foresee the privatisation of the NHS. etc etc. The unthinking voters have brought this on themselves.
Old as I am, as soon as I can gather sufficient funds for passports, I shall seriously consider leaving this country that I used to be proud of.
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
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Damian Green returned with 52% UKIP second with 19% Labour 18% and Lib Dems who have always been 2nd or 3rd shared with Labour slaughtered at 6%.
The only consolation is Farage lost
The only consolation is Farage lost
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Well, what can I say? The electorate have screwed us again, the idiots! Spot, Gmc, G#Gill you speak for me on this issue, entirely!!!
Think I'll be listening to my Tangerine Dream collection today, maybe that will reduce my core temperature!
Think I'll be listening to my Tangerine Dream collection today, maybe that will reduce my core temperature!
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So, the Labour Party needs a new leader.
David Lammy, MP
MP for Tottenham for the last 15 years, startlingly intelligent and charismatic, well up to bringing in a Labour administration in 2020. I've been impressed every time I've heard him speak.
David Lammy, MP
MP for Tottenham for the last 15 years, startlingly intelligent and charismatic, well up to bringing in a Labour administration in 2020. I've been impressed every time I've heard him speak.
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So is this site not very representative of the population or are folks here on FG just being quiet if they are happy with how things turned out?
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
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Well, since half of us are in the States, we probably have a different viewpoint.
I only hope that this is not a precursor to the elections here next year.
Our conservatives are a bunch of loonies, it seems.
I only hope that this is not a precursor to the elections here next year.
Our conservatives are a bunch of loonies, it seems.
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LarsMac;1478856 wrote: Well, since half of us are in the States, we probably have a different viewpoint.
I only hope that this is not a precursor to the elections here next year.
Our conservatives are a bunch of loonies, it seems.
Oh I was talking about the folks across the pond.
And I do think that we may be in for a surprise here in the states next year.
I only hope that this is not a precursor to the elections here next year.
Our conservatives are a bunch of loonies, it seems.
Oh I was talking about the folks across the pond.
And I do think that we may be in for a surprise here in the states next year.
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
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Smaug;1478851 wrote: Well, what can I say? The electorate have screwed us again, the idiots! Spot, Gmc, G#Gill you speak for me on this issue, entirely!!!
Think I'll be listening to my Tangerine Dream collection today, maybe that will reduce my core temperature!
The People have spoken you mean ?
Didn't I put my position clear enough then ?
Think I'll be listening to my Tangerine Dream collection today, maybe that will reduce my core temperature!
The People have spoken you mean ?
Didn't I put my position clear enough then ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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flopstock;1478857 wrote: Oh I was talking about the folks across the pond.
And I do think that we may be in for a surprise here in the states next year.
I am not sure I can handle many more surprises.
And I do think that we may be in for a surprise here in the states next year.
I am not sure I can handle many more surprises.
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I'm trying to figure out the differences between Labour and Lib Dems. over here I would consider them to be one party, I think
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LarsMac;1478856 wrote: Well, since half of us are in the States, we probably have a different viewpoint.
I only hope that this is not a precursor to the elections here next year.
Our conservatives are a bunch of loonies, it seems.
So is the electorate. Unless the turnout is huge I can see a big swing to the right. Right for the Brits is left here.
PS-YAY FOR SCOTLAND!
I only hope that this is not a precursor to the elections here next year.
Our conservatives are a bunch of loonies, it seems.
So is the electorate. Unless the turnout is huge I can see a big swing to the right. Right for the Brits is left here.
PS-YAY FOR SCOTLAND!
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I love the spin being put on it - UKIP have a higher opercentage of the overall vote than the SNP and only get 1 seat and the snp get 56 with 5% of the overall vote. They got more than half the overall vote in scotland a point they can't seem to grasp.
The tories are in with over 60% of the electorate voting against them only a complete numpty can think they are a legitimate government. With PR neother labour or toey would ever be able to form a government on their own that's why they don't want it. Clegg was an idiot he had a chnace to make a major change and blew it completely.
The tories are in with over 60% of the electorate voting against them only a complete numpty can think they are a legitimate government. With PR neother labour or toey would ever be able to form a government on their own that's why they don't want it. Clegg was an idiot he had a chnace to make a major change and blew it completely.
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flopstock;1478861 wrote: I'm trying to figure out the differences between Labour and Lib Dems. over here I would consider them to be one party, I think
I'm trying to figure out the differences between Democrats and Republicans. Over here I would consider them to be one party, I think.
I'm trying to figure out the differences between Democrats and Republicans. Over here I would consider them to be one party, I think.
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gmc;1478866 wrote: I love the spin being put on it - UKIP have a higher opercentage of the overall vote than the SNP and only get 1 seat and the snp get 56 with 5% of the overall vote. They got more than half the overall vote in scotland a point they can't seem to grasp.
The tories are in with over 60% of the electorate voting against them only a complete numpty can think they are a legitimate government. With PR neother labour or toey would ever be able to form a government on their own that's why they don't want it. Clegg was an idiot he had a chnace to make a major change and blew it completely.
I ma not sure I understand how elections work over there. (Not sure I understand how they work over here, either, but that is another story.)
Aren't all of the votes regionalized? so a specific are votes for a group of candidates. and whoever wins that region goes to Parliament to represent that region. Right.
I mean, how many people outside of Scotland vote for a SNP candidate?
So percentages of overall voters is not really telling on the grand scale.
Right?
So, the turnout percentages for each region would be more telling than the overall voting numbers.
The tories are in with over 60% of the electorate voting against them only a complete numpty can think they are a legitimate government. With PR neother labour or toey would ever be able to form a government on their own that's why they don't want it. Clegg was an idiot he had a chnace to make a major change and blew it completely.
I ma not sure I understand how elections work over there. (Not sure I understand how they work over here, either, but that is another story.)
Aren't all of the votes regionalized? so a specific are votes for a group of candidates. and whoever wins that region goes to Parliament to represent that region. Right.
I mean, how many people outside of Scotland vote for a SNP candidate?
So percentages of overall voters is not really telling on the grand scale.
Right?
So, the turnout percentages for each region would be more telling than the overall voting numbers.
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LarsMac;1478868 wrote: I ma not sure I understand how elections work over there. (Not sure I understand how they work over here, either, but that is another story.)
Aren't all of the votes regionalized? so a specific are votes for a group of candidates. and whoever wins that region goes to Parliament to represent that region. Right.
I mean, how many people outside of Scotland vote for a SNP candidate?
So percentages of overall voters is not really telling on the grand scale.
Right?
So, the turnout percentages for each region would be more telling than the overall voting numbers.
All very true, yes. We call each region a constituency, in which a list of candidates stand and each can represent a single party or just themselves. No party would field more than one candidate. A constituency has 70,000 to 150,000 voters depending on how densely populated the area is. The candidate receiving the largest number of votes is the outright winner and represents that constituency for the life of that Parliament, or until death or resignation or being jailed intervene.
A voter could vote for an SNP candidate if the SNP ran a candidate outside of Scotland, but they never have.
Every constituency has some aberration compared to national averages, pollsters have to take the differences into account and, of course, they can't because they know too little. Many, though not most, people turn up in voting booths and only then decide which candidate to vote for - I've done that several times - so how's a pollster to outguess that.
Aren't all of the votes regionalized? so a specific are votes for a group of candidates. and whoever wins that region goes to Parliament to represent that region. Right.
I mean, how many people outside of Scotland vote for a SNP candidate?
So percentages of overall voters is not really telling on the grand scale.
Right?
So, the turnout percentages for each region would be more telling than the overall voting numbers.
All very true, yes. We call each region a constituency, in which a list of candidates stand and each can represent a single party or just themselves. No party would field more than one candidate. A constituency has 70,000 to 150,000 voters depending on how densely populated the area is. The candidate receiving the largest number of votes is the outright winner and represents that constituency for the life of that Parliament, or until death or resignation or being jailed intervene.
A voter could vote for an SNP candidate if the SNP ran a candidate outside of Scotland, but they never have.
Every constituency has some aberration compared to national averages, pollsters have to take the differences into account and, of course, they can't because they know too little. Many, though not most, people turn up in voting booths and only then decide which candidate to vote for - I've done that several times - so how's a pollster to outguess that.
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Bruv;1478858 wrote: The People have spoken you mean ?
Didn't I put my position clear enough then ?
The boundaries have spoken, "first-past the post "has spoken and proportional representation is still a pipe dream. Whether you support other parties, such as the greens or UKIP is immaterial, if so large a percentage of the vote is wasted in this anachronistic electoral system (sometimes as much as 30% of the vote), which is long overdue for reform! If all the "wasted" votes were counted (up to 30%...) then the political landscape would be significantly different (up to 30% of the house would be occupied by different parties, or by one or two of the bigger "others"), thus Westminster would actually move out of the dark ages and into the modern world.....and TRULY represent the wishes of the electorate, rather than just industrialists, big business, yuppies and trade unions, not to mention the EU quango.
Don't misunderstand me, I think Europe could be good with MAJOR REFORM, but as it stands, its inefficient (financially AND militarily), undemocratic and ultimately, doomed to failure, with too many "freeloaders", such as UKIP, who claim money for being MEP's, and who do nothing at all in the Euro parliament. It's a mess, and it needs sorting out pronto!
Didn't I put my position clear enough then ?
The boundaries have spoken, "first-past the post "has spoken and proportional representation is still a pipe dream. Whether you support other parties, such as the greens or UKIP is immaterial, if so large a percentage of the vote is wasted in this anachronistic electoral system (sometimes as much as 30% of the vote), which is long overdue for reform! If all the "wasted" votes were counted (up to 30%...) then the political landscape would be significantly different (up to 30% of the house would be occupied by different parties, or by one or two of the bigger "others"), thus Westminster would actually move out of the dark ages and into the modern world.....and TRULY represent the wishes of the electorate, rather than just industrialists, big business, yuppies and trade unions, not to mention the EU quango.
Don't misunderstand me, I think Europe could be good with MAJOR REFORM, but as it stands, its inefficient (financially AND militarily), undemocratic and ultimately, doomed to failure, with too many "freeloaders", such as UKIP, who claim money for being MEP's, and who do nothing at all in the Euro parliament. It's a mess, and it needs sorting out pronto!
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gmc;1478866 wrote: i love the spin being put on it - ukip have a higher opercentage of the overall vote than the snp and only get 1 seat and the snp get 56 with 5% of the overall vote. They got more than half the overall vote in scotland a point they can't seem to grasp.
The tories are in with over 60% of the electorate voting against them only a complete numpty can think they are a legitimate government. With pr neother labour or toey would ever be able to form a government on their own that's why they don't want it. Clegg was an idiot he had a chnace to make a major change and blew it completely.
bulls-eye !
The tories are in with over 60% of the electorate voting against them only a complete numpty can think they are a legitimate government. With pr neother labour or toey would ever be able to form a government on their own that's why they don't want it. Clegg was an idiot he had a chnace to make a major change and blew it completely.
bulls-eye !
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I'm just gutted the whole of Cornwall is now blue!! It almost feels like we've gone back 20 years.
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Smaug;1478870 wrote: The boundaries have spoken, "first-past the post "has spoken and proportional representation is still a pipe dream. Whether you support other parties, such as the greens or UKIP is immaterial, if so large a percentage of the vote is wasted in this anachronistic electoral system (sometimes as much as 30% of the vote), which is long overdue for reform! If all the "wasted" votes were counted (up to 30%...) then the political landscape would be significantly different (up to 30% of the house would be occupied by different parties, or by one or two of the bigger "others"), thus Westminster would actually move out of the dark ages and into the modern world.....and TRULY represent the wishes of the electorate, rather than just industrialists, big business, yuppies and trade unions, not to mention the EU quango.
Don't misunderstand me, I think Europe could be good with MAJOR REFORM, but as it stands, its inefficient (financially AND militarily), undemocratic and ultimately, doomed to failure, with too many "freeloaders", such as UKIP, who claim money for being MEP's, and who do nothing at all in the Euro parliament. It's a mess, and it needs sorting out pronto!
I think I agree, but unless the major parties have to give a concession in a coalition situation, there will never be PR.
But how can we both think PR is the answer when the SNP has just wiped out everything else in sight ? If there is a party that can capture the imagination of the electorate it will succeed whatever system is used.
I wonder if anybody here is clever enough to work out how this election's results wold look like under PR ?
Don't misunderstand me, I think Europe could be good with MAJOR REFORM, but as it stands, its inefficient (financially AND militarily), undemocratic and ultimately, doomed to failure, with too many "freeloaders", such as UKIP, who claim money for being MEP's, and who do nothing at all in the Euro parliament. It's a mess, and it needs sorting out pronto!
I think I agree, but unless the major parties have to give a concession in a coalition situation, there will never be PR.
But how can we both think PR is the answer when the SNP has just wiped out everything else in sight ? If there is a party that can capture the imagination of the electorate it will succeed whatever system is used.
I wonder if anybody here is clever enough to work out how this election's results wold look like under PR ?
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Bruv;1478880 wrote: I wonder if anybody here is clever enough to work out how this election's results wold look like under PR ?
You do? Why?
There are lots of versions of PR, I'm not going to do all of them.
This is Party Lists apportioned by National votes.
Party: Actual: PR National apportionment
Conservative: 330: 240
Labour: 239: 198
UKIP: 1: 82
Liberal Democrat: 8: 51
Scottish Nationalist: 56: 31
Green: 1: 24
DUP: 8: 4
Plaid Cymru: 3: 4
Sinn Fein: 4: 4
UUP: 2: 2
SDLP: 3: 2
Others: 1: 7
You do? Why?
There are lots of versions of PR, I'm not going to do all of them.
This is Party Lists apportioned by National votes.
Party: Actual: PR National apportionment
Conservative: 330: 240
Labour: 239: 198
UKIP: 1: 82
Liberal Democrat: 8: 51
Scottish Nationalist: 56: 31
Green: 1: 24
DUP: 8: 4
Plaid Cymru: 3: 4
Sinn Fein: 4: 4
UUP: 2: 2
SDLP: 3: 2
Others: 1: 7
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Thank you spot I wish I was as clever as that.
I have taken the liberty to make it easier for simple souls like me to see at a glance what it all means.
Well hush my mouth......you have done a returning job................again........I shall delete my embarrassing try at listing
I have taken the liberty to make it easier for simple souls like me to see at a glance what it all means.
Well hush my mouth......you have done a returning job................again........I shall delete my embarrassing try at listing
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Bruv;1478885 wrote: Well hush my mouth......you have done a returning job................again........I shall delete my embarrassing try at listing
No no - yours is a lot more reedable.
I'd be surprised if many voters would want to see UKIP sending 84 members to the House. Keeping the likes of UKIP at 1 seat is what first past the post is good at.
No no - yours is a lot more reedable.
I'd be surprised if many voters would want to see UKIP sending 84 members to the House. Keeping the likes of UKIP at 1 seat is what first past the post is good at.
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spot;1478886 wrote: No no - yours is a lot more reedable.
I'd be surprised if many voters would want to see UKIP sending 84 members to the House. Keeping the likes of UKIP at 1 seat is what first past the post is good at.
I refuse to mention your eccentric English.........damn....think I just did.
How do you know if my list is better ? I deleted it almost immediately.
And........the point about PR is it reflects what the electorate wants, rather than what the behind the scene string pullers desire.
You aren't a string puller are you ?
I'd be surprised if many voters would want to see UKIP sending 84 members to the House. Keeping the likes of UKIP at 1 seat is what first past the post is good at.
I refuse to mention your eccentric English.........damn....think I just did.
How do you know if my list is better ? I deleted it almost immediately.
And........the point about PR is it reflects what the electorate wants, rather than what the behind the scene string pullers desire.
You aren't a string puller are you ?
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One has to laugh at this quote by the BNP:
Wonder how many other political parties will come out of this election in profit. We haven't played their game and we are getting stronger!
BNP gets less votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party | JOE.co.uk
Incidentally, Kingswood BNP got 0.3% (-2.4) ... But they're getting stronger .
Wonder how many other political parties will come out of this election in profit. We haven't played their game and we are getting stronger!
BNP gets less votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party | JOE.co.uk
Incidentally, Kingswood BNP got 0.3% (-2.4) ... But they're getting stronger .
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FourPart;1478888 wrote: One has to laugh at this quote by the BNP:
BNP gets less votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party | JOE.co.uk
Incidentally, Kingswood BNP got 0.3% (-2.4) ... But they're getting stronger .
Isn't that less than in the last election? And that's their idea of getting stronger? Wow.
BNP gets less votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party | JOE.co.uk
Incidentally, Kingswood BNP got 0.3% (-2.4) ... But they're getting stronger .
Isn't that less than in the last election? And that's their idea of getting stronger? Wow.
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Really? Because over here labor has been a pretty much guaranteed democratic vote.spot;1478867 wrote: I'm trying to figure out the differences between Democrats and Republicans. Over here I would consider them to be one party, I think.
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flopstock;1478905 wrote: Really? Because over here labor has been a pretty much guaranteed democratic vote.
Really, yes. If you're not an American, which is who we're talking about, the Democrats make war on you and the Republicans make war on you in equal measure. Has there been a year in living memory when people outside the US haven't been killed by US Armed Forces operating outside their Homeland? I can't think of one. Why should non-Americans see any difference between a Democrat or a Republican administration? Over here I would consider them to be one party.
Really, yes. If you're not an American, which is who we're talking about, the Democrats make war on you and the Republicans make war on you in equal measure. Has there been a year in living memory when people outside the US haven't been killed by US Armed Forces operating outside their Homeland? I can't think of one. Why should non-Americans see any difference between a Democrat or a Republican administration? Over here I would consider them to be one party.
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All very true, yes. We call each region a constituency, in which a list of candidates stand and each can represent a single party or just themselves. No party would field more than one candidate. A constituency has 70,000 to 150,000 voters depending on how densely populated the area is. The candidate receiving the largest number of votes is the outright winner and represents that constituency for the life of that Parliament, or until death or resignation or being jailed intervene.
Problem is then largest number of votes for one oarty could be 25% of those cast or put another way we get a candidate that 75% of the electorate do not want. 60% plus of the population do not want a tory government.
Hitler became chancellor and took power with less than 30% of the vote, PR was imposed on germany and italy after ww2 because it prevents a single party winning elections when they can command the largest number of votes regionally but don't have overall support.
Like it or not ukip has support 82 mp's re not enough to do any real damage but pr would prevent the damage the trories are about to do not least when they sell off housing association properties they do not actually own.
At least in scotland the snp wiped the floor with labour and the libdems, the 5% of the overa;l vote is actually irrelevant that's the media still trying to pretend we are just confused englishmen in skirts.
Problem is then largest number of votes for one oarty could be 25% of those cast or put another way we get a candidate that 75% of the electorate do not want. 60% plus of the population do not want a tory government.
Hitler became chancellor and took power with less than 30% of the vote, PR was imposed on germany and italy after ww2 because it prevents a single party winning elections when they can command the largest number of votes regionally but don't have overall support.
Like it or not ukip has support 82 mp's re not enough to do any real damage but pr would prevent the damage the trories are about to do not least when they sell off housing association properties they do not actually own.
At least in scotland the snp wiped the floor with labour and the libdems, the 5% of the overa;l vote is actually irrelevant that's the media still trying to pretend we are just confused englishmen in skirts.
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It really is a simple question of whether the country wants to let the lunatic fringe into Parliament or to keep it sensible - if you introduced party lists with national proportionality I guarantee you'd get Jedi representation voted into the House at the next election.
I don't remember when any party reached 50% of the vote nationally but it's not often. It was Stanley Baldwin in 1931, I just checked. The system is currently designed to produce majority governments from the party polling the most votes nationally, that's how it's been meant to work since the 18th century when parties were invented. Getting over 50% of the national vote was a natural consequence of the two-party Victorian system, when just the Liberals and Conservatives stood. Baldwin's huge Conservative backlash vote of 1931 is the only instance since Victoria died, and it took the Great Depression to bring it about. It was said the results "were the most astonishing in the history of the British party system", that's how extreme an absolute majority of the vote is.
The other question is the proportion of the electorate voting - it was two-thirds, this time. The Proportional House ought to get 24% - that's two-thirds of 36% - Conservatives, 20% Labour, 21% others and 33% empty seats to represent the third of the electorate who refused to participate. That would at least ease the crowding on the benches. But the simple if rarely noted fact is that almost half as many again refused to vote at all as actually voted for the winning party.
What you're trying to do, as far as I can see, it to go back to Tudor-style Parliaments before parties were invented, and to just have people gather to formulate national policy who have been sent from the Shires to represent their class. That technique of governance, if you remember, led to civil war.
I don't remember when any party reached 50% of the vote nationally but it's not often. It was Stanley Baldwin in 1931, I just checked. The system is currently designed to produce majority governments from the party polling the most votes nationally, that's how it's been meant to work since the 18th century when parties were invented. Getting over 50% of the national vote was a natural consequence of the two-party Victorian system, when just the Liberals and Conservatives stood. Baldwin's huge Conservative backlash vote of 1931 is the only instance since Victoria died, and it took the Great Depression to bring it about. It was said the results "were the most astonishing in the history of the British party system", that's how extreme an absolute majority of the vote is.
The other question is the proportion of the electorate voting - it was two-thirds, this time. The Proportional House ought to get 24% - that's two-thirds of 36% - Conservatives, 20% Labour, 21% others and 33% empty seats to represent the third of the electorate who refused to participate. That would at least ease the crowding on the benches. But the simple if rarely noted fact is that almost half as many again refused to vote at all as actually voted for the winning party.
What you're trying to do, as far as I can see, it to go back to Tudor-style Parliaments before parties were invented, and to just have people gather to formulate national policy who have been sent from the Shires to represent their class. That technique of governance, if you remember, led to civil war.
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I think the system in Northern Ireland, as I understand it (which may not be the case) has a lot to be said for it. Once the votes are in, the parties who have the fewest votes can opt to transfer their votes to someone else. It's like if there's 3 candidates - Conservative, Labour & Independant Labour, if Coservative wins, and the Independant candidate comes 3rd, then he can decide to allocate his votes to the official party candidate, thus wiping out the Coservative candidate, as the policies are pretty much the same anyway. Basically, this is similar to PR, but it still remains as the electorate voting in the same way.
As I said, my understanding of the system could be wrong, but I still think it would have a lot going for it.
As I said, my understanding of the system could be wrong, but I still think it would have a lot going for it.