On Line Petitions USA style

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:24 am

You have to be grateful the sign up rate is so slow.

The wording of THIS FIRST ONE conjures up the image of some red neck semi illiterate foaming at the mouth, thick neck with veins bulging dangerously.

THE SECOND is by the same poster, but he seems to have calmed down a little.

Both brought to you by my membership of another unPC Site

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:57 am

It's always fun to go read some of the petitions that are posted there.

I wonder at some of them. Like the one to put Ayn Rand on the $10 bill.

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:15 am

This is really confusing - it APPEARS to be a right-wing nut website (of which there are probably hundreds - or more), but this one seems to be SUPERIMPOSED on a legitimate White House blogsite.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's quite strange.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:56 am

It is the legitimate White house page.

select the "Open Petitions" page. You can see all of the petitions that have been submitted and waiting for votes.

There are some real nutcases out there.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:18 am

Mark Aspam;1482037 wrote: This is really confusing - it APPEARS to be a right-wing nut website (of which there are probably hundreds - or more), but this one seems to be SUPERIMPOSED on a legitimate White House blogsite.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's quite strange.

It is a right wing nut on the official White House petition site, I haven't gone any further than these pages.

The UK have adopted the same sort of thing, I reckon it's a sop to the masses, making them feel they can make a difference, or it could be my cynicism showing through.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:27 am

Here is a mind bogglingly brilliant one.......McCain Urges Military Strikes

For the less aware amongst us ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:20 am

Apparently it wasn't here, but when that foolishness first came out

I posted "WHY"?

Why did BHO create such a site?

Write him, as if he can do what??

Giving all Americans a way to engage

Their government on the issues that

Matter to them.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

Such arrogance.

We have as system of governance, here, not to be ruled by “phone and pen., or so according to the Constitution.

I did a diligent look for what that accomplished that occupant who resides in our White House accomplished with that site.

Found none.

I am sure somebody can find one.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:28 pm

tude dog;1482561 wrote: Apparently it wasn't here, but when that foolishness first came out

I posted "WHY"?

Why did BHO create such a site?

Write him, as if he can do what??

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

Such arrogance.

We have as system of governance, here, not to be ruled by “phone and pen., or so according to the Constitution.

I did a diligent look for what that accomplished that occupant who resides in our White House accomplished with that site.

Found none.

I am sure somebody can find one.

Would anyone give me a clue as to what The Dawg is on about ?

Is he just thinking out loud ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:31 am

1. Was he the one who had the Petition site put there?

(I'm not even imagining that he created it himself)

2. Regardless of who put it there, whatever could be considered wrong about giving the public a mouthpiece? I was under the impression that that's what Democracy was all about.

There's more to the public having a say in matters than just getting to vote every 5 years. You can't expect any politician to represent you if you don't let them know how it is you want to be represented. That much is true worldwide, and is not restricted to the U.S.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:13 am

It was set up for people to start petition, and if enough signatures are received, it gets put on the agenda for review and consideration by Congress.

Obviously very few of these ideas get very far, but a few have led to laws being passed.

On the other hand, it does seem to attract a number of Loonies.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:18 am

LarsMac;1482623 wrote: On the other hand, it does seem to attract a number of Loonies.

Just like Government and forums ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:36 am

Bruv;1482574 wrote: Would anyone give me a clue as to what The Dawg is on about ?

Is he just thinking out loud ?

There is a certain amount of thinking aloud.

We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Introduction

Way back when people actually wrote their various representatives and got an offical response sometimes written by the representative. Not as fancy as spending money to present the illusion of progress.

Bruv;1482574 wrote: It is a right wing nut on the official White House petition site, I haven't gone any further than these pages.

The UK have adopted the same sort of thing, I reckon it's a sop to the masses, making them feel they can make a difference, or it could be my cynicism showing through.

Yea, that is one way to put it!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:32 am

You are like a dinosaur dawg, you should move on and accept change.

Way back then, your government in it's wisdom allowed the populace to petition for change, they did it back then by quill and parchment or knocking on his office door.

Today on line petitions do the same thing.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:47 pm

It just doesn't seem to get the same sort of Publicity or Kudos.We've actually had the same thing going here in the U.K. for quite some time. It's undergoing a revamp at the moment, so seems to be unavailable for use, but it's exactly the same sort of thing. It wouldn't surprise me if Obama got the idea from us.

E-petitions - UK Parliament

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:51 pm

It seems our one started August 2011 HERE the US site launched 22nd September 2011 HERE

Looks like the big boys were talking about it together, they aren't manipulating us are they ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:04 pm

Bruv;1482651 wrote: You are like a dinosaur dawg, you should move on and accept change.

Not a matter of accepting change. Just don 't setup a bandstand promoting a new snake oil miracle crure at a buck a bottle and expect me to jump on the bandwagon.

Bruv;1482651 wrote: Way back then, your government in it's wisdom allowed the populace to petition for change,

You just presented the progressive Point of View.

Bruv;1482651 wrote: they did it back then by quill and parchment or knocking on his office door.

Yea and??

It is my experience that writing a letter makes me stand out as opposed to signing a petition. Never got a personal response after signing a petition. As a rule every representative must respond to a letter.

I realize that the response is "canned" so to speak but at some level that representative know I give a darn.

Today on line petitions do the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:45 pm

tude dog;1482700 wrote: I realize that the response is "canned" so to speak but at some level that representative know I give a darn.

And you reckon that enough clicks on a petition doesn't send him the same message ?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:34 pm

My representatives (senators, congresswoman) always personally acknowledge petition signers. Their computers do, at least.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:33 pm

Bruv;1482707 wrote: And you reckon that enough clicks on a petition doesn't send him the same message ?

State of California where I grew up has a system where if enough people sign a petition a ballot to make/change law will be put up for a popular vote.

BALLOT INITIATIVES

Sounds good, huh?

Every election cycle when one goes to the local grocery store etc. See tables set outside. They are set up by people who are paid to collect signatures.

Get enough signatures it goes up for a vote.

Hardly grassroot movements.

Ya know what? When the state checks a huge number are not registered to vote, or have other problems.

It is conventional wisdom among those active, Left or Right understand the concept a personal letter carries more weight than signing a petition.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:48 pm

Yup.....a dinosaur.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:06 pm

Bruv;1482758 wrote: Yup.....a dinosaur.

That is California.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:39 pm

tude dog;1482760 wrote: That is California.

Like your new avatar. Glad to see you surrendering with the white flag, and Yes, I would save you (if I could).

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:01 pm

AnneBoleyn;1482767 wrote: Like your new avatar. Glad to see you surrendering with the white flag, and Yes, I would save you (if I could).

I live in the Bible Belt.

Many have tried.

All failed.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:02 pm

When a politician has his own agenda & is vehemently opposed to what it is you are protesting in a letter, that letter is never going to get actioned, or even acknowledged (as with my M.P., Royston Smith). However, petitions are far more difficult to brush under the carpet.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:10 am

tude dog;1482760 wrote: That is California.

Not your enigmatic comments though ?