spot;1485034 wrote: There we are, I'm glad we nailed down where the difference in definition actually lies.
Yes, it is an absolution for committing serious crime.
And no, responsibility for actions taken does not ultimately rest with the person concerned if they're insane.
I disagree, Spot. Whilst you may feel it's a total absolution for committing serious crime, I do not. It may explain why, to a certain extent, but it's vastly over-used as an excuse. Lawyers often try playing the 'diminished responsibility' card, in order to obtain a lesser sentence for their client. If I were to murder one of your family, would you feel that charitable towards me? It's easy to take a sympathetic when you're not directly involved, isn't it?
We will never agree on this, so for the sake of amity, we'll have to agree to disagree here.
TV journalists shot dead on air
TV journalists shot dead on air
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
TV journalists shot dead on air
Smaug;1485036 wrote: We will never agree on this, so for the sake of amity, we'll have to agree to disagree here.
You might like to comment on the immediately preceding post first.
You might like to comment on the immediately preceding post first.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
TV journalists shot dead on air
spot;1485035 wrote: For reference, here's the core of English law on the subject of insanity, responsibility and "absolution for committing serious crime" - the bolding is mine:Special verdict where accused found guilty, but insane at date of act or omission charged, and orders thereupon.
Where in any indictment or information any act or omission is charged against any person as an offence, and it is given in evidence on the trial of such person for that offence that he was insane, so as not to be responsible, according to law, for his actions at the time when the act was done or omission made, then, if it appears to the jury before whom such person is tried that he did the act or made the omission charged, but was insane as aforesaid at the time when he did or made the same, the jury shall return a special verdict that the accused is not guilty by reason of insanity.
Trial Of Lunatics Act 1883
I said earlier, relating to American court practice, that it's up to the judge on medical advice. In England it's a matter for the jury. I may easily be wrong about the American court, but that's what I think happens there. Someone might know better.
It is up to the jury in the US.
Unless the prosecution and defense agree to some pre-trial arrangement.
Where in any indictment or information any act or omission is charged against any person as an offence, and it is given in evidence on the trial of such person for that offence that he was insane, so as not to be responsible, according to law, for his actions at the time when the act was done or omission made, then, if it appears to the jury before whom such person is tried that he did the act or made the omission charged, but was insane as aforesaid at the time when he did or made the same, the jury shall return a special verdict that the accused is not guilty by reason of insanity.
Trial Of Lunatics Act 1883
I said earlier, relating to American court practice, that it's up to the judge on medical advice. In England it's a matter for the jury. I may easily be wrong about the American court, but that's what I think happens there. Someone might know better.
It is up to the jury in the US.
Unless the prosecution and defense agree to some pre-trial arrangement.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
TV journalists shot dead on air
LarsMac;1485040 wrote: It is up to the jury in the US.
Unless the prosecution and defense agree to some pre-trial arrangement.
I'm surprised, I have recollections of American trials announcing at their start that the defendant has been deemed sane and consequently fit to be tried. There was discussion of legal jiggery-pokery designed to reduce the likelihood of a defence of insanity succeeding.
And the Norwegian, now I think of it.
Unless the prosecution and defense agree to some pre-trial arrangement.
I'm surprised, I have recollections of American trials announcing at their start that the defendant has been deemed sane and consequently fit to be tried. There was discussion of legal jiggery-pokery designed to reduce the likelihood of a defence of insanity succeeding.
And the Norwegian, now I think of it.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
TV journalists shot dead on air
spot;1485044 wrote: I'm surprised, I have recollections of American trials announcing at their start that the defendant has been deemed sane and consequently fit to be tried. There was discussion of legal jiggery-pokery designed to reduce the likelihood of a defence of insanity succeeding.
And the Norwegian, now I think of it.
There is a process prior to the trial for examinations by psychiatrists to determine if, in their view, the person is capable of standing trial and that he/she will be able to fully participate in the proceedings and contribute to his defense.
This does not preclude the jury from being given the option to determine whether he was sane or not at the time the crime was committed.
The Aurora Theater shooting trial (just completed) was a good example of the process.
And the Norwegian, now I think of it.
There is a process prior to the trial for examinations by psychiatrists to determine if, in their view, the person is capable of standing trial and that he/she will be able to fully participate in the proceedings and contribute to his defense.
This does not preclude the jury from being given the option to determine whether he was sane or not at the time the crime was committed.
The Aurora Theater shooting trial (just completed) was a good example of the process.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
TV journalists shot dead on air
That makes sense. I'm startled at how many murder cases I saw reported from bench trials, while I was looking. England can't have had one since before the American Revolution. Northern Ireland does it, on account of blatant sectarian bias on the part of juries there.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
TV journalists shot dead on air
Smaug;1485033 wrote: Responsibility for actions taken ultimately rests with the person concerned;- some remote person didn't push a 'go berserk now' button, did they?
Obviously, state of mind has to be considered, but it is not an absolution for committing serious crime!
Obviously, state of mind has to be considered, but it is not, IMO, an absolution for committing serious crime!
I've just read back through my posts, and realised I omitted a couple of words
(omissions can change the 'pitch' massively, can't they?), so I've added them here.
(In black, top of the post, in the blue text)
I was arguing this from a moral/ethical viewpoint that is based on how I feel, not from any legal standpoint. We all, doubtless, have a different viewpoint/opinion. I freely admit that my legal knowledge is not great; far from it, as I've never studied law, or have any desire to.
Who'd be a lawyer?
I hope this corrections clarifies things. (Consider this my answer to post #50 also)
Obviously, state of mind has to be considered, but it is not an absolution for committing serious crime!
Obviously, state of mind has to be considered, but it is not, IMO, an absolution for committing serious crime!
I've just read back through my posts, and realised I omitted a couple of words
(omissions can change the 'pitch' massively, can't they?), so I've added them here.
(In black, top of the post, in the blue text)
I was arguing this from a moral/ethical viewpoint that is based on how I feel, not from any legal standpoint. We all, doubtless, have a different viewpoint/opinion. I freely admit that my legal knowledge is not great; far from it, as I've never studied law, or have any desire to.
Who'd be a lawyer?
I hope this corrections clarifies things. (Consider this my answer to post #50 also)
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
TV journalists shot dead on air
Is it possible that peace has reigned now ?
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
TV journalists shot dead on air
Apologies, but I'm just trying to cause certain threads to 'drop out of the bottom of the list' !
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
TV journalists shot dead on air
You do realize that deliberately "Bumping" threads is a bit of a no-no, right?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
TV journalists shot dead on air
I'm going to sound really callous here: Why is this even news anymore? It's just the daily massacre. It happens every day.
Both my wife and I are completely desensitized to it. Our reaction was like this.
"Did you hear that two news reporters got shot live on air?"
"Really? Only two of them? Well that's good, it could have been more."
" I wonder if I can Youtube that video yet?"
Every Day on Average (ages 0-19)
Every day, 48 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:
5 are murdered
2 kill themselves.
Every day, 41 children and teens are shot and survive:
31 shot in an assault
1 survives a suicide attempt
8 are shot unintentionally
Every Day on Average (all ages)
Every day, 297 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 89 people die from gun violence:
31 are murdered
55 kill themselves
2 are killed unintentionally
1 is killed by police intervention
1 intent unknown.
Every day, 208 people are shot and survive:
151 shot in an assault
10 survive a suicide attempt
45 are shot unintentionally
2 are shot in a police intervention
In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)
Over 17,000 (17,499) American children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.
2,677 kids die from gun violence:
1,671 children and teens are murdered
827 children and teens kill themselves
124 children and teens killed unintentionally
24 are killed by police intervention
30 die but the intent was unknown
14,822 kids survive gun injuries:
11,420 are injured in an attack
280 survive a suicide attempt
3,061 are shot unintentionally
62 are shot in a police intervention
In One Year on Average (all ages)
Over 108,000 (108,476) people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.>
32,514 people die from gun violence
11,294 people are murdered
19,992 people kill themselves
561 people are killed unintentionally
414 are killed by police intervention
254 die but intent is not known
75,962 people survive gun injuries:
55,009 people are injured in an attack
3,791 people survive a suicide attempt
16,334 people are shot unintentionally
827 people are shot by police intervention
So two reporters got shot? Pfft. Should barely even make the local news.
America has gun insane. Ban all guns.
Both my wife and I are completely desensitized to it. Our reaction was like this.
"Did you hear that two news reporters got shot live on air?"
"Really? Only two of them? Well that's good, it could have been more."
" I wonder if I can Youtube that video yet?"
Every Day on Average (ages 0-19)
Every day, 48 children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 7 children and teens die from gun violence:
5 are murdered
2 kill themselves.
Every day, 41 children and teens are shot and survive:
31 shot in an assault
1 survives a suicide attempt
8 are shot unintentionally
Every Day on Average (all ages)
Every day, 297 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, and police intervention.
Every day, 89 people die from gun violence:
31 are murdered
55 kill themselves
2 are killed unintentionally
1 is killed by police intervention
1 intent unknown.
Every day, 208 people are shot and survive:
151 shot in an assault
10 survive a suicide attempt
45 are shot unintentionally
2 are shot in a police intervention
In One Year on Average (ages 0-19)
Over 17,000 (17,499) American children and teens are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.
2,677 kids die from gun violence:
1,671 children and teens are murdered
827 children and teens kill themselves
124 children and teens killed unintentionally
24 are killed by police intervention
30 die but the intent was unknown
14,822 kids survive gun injuries:
11,420 are injured in an attack
280 survive a suicide attempt
3,061 are shot unintentionally
62 are shot in a police intervention
In One Year on Average (all ages)
Over 108,000 (108,476) people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides & suicide attempts, unintentional shootings, or by police intervention.>
32,514 people die from gun violence
11,294 people are murdered
19,992 people kill themselves
561 people are killed unintentionally
414 are killed by police intervention
254 die but intent is not known
75,962 people survive gun injuries:
55,009 people are injured in an attack
3,791 people survive a suicide attempt
16,334 people are shot unintentionally
827 people are shot by police intervention
So two reporters got shot? Pfft. Should barely even make the local news.
America has gun insane. Ban all guns.
TV journalists shot dead on air
You may be interested in this video and the link below.
Gun Shop
Gun Shop
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
TV journalists shot dead on air
Wow ! That was a powerful video, Bruv. Very thought provoking. Thanks for posting it.
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
TV journalists shot dead on air
Apologies, but I'm just trying to cause certain threads to 'drop out of the bottom of the list' !
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
TV journalists shot dead on air
I think people will find it equally tiresome to continue to see these 'bumps' of yours when they look for new posts.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
TV journalists shot dead on air
Well, I am so sorry, I'm sure. But I think you will find, LarsMac, that most of the posts I have made in order to lift them to the top of the list have been proper posts. True there have been one or two which I have just used to bump the post up, but not that many. Why are you saying something like that to me ? I haven't noticed you saying similar to Ted or Gnostic Christian Bishop, or Mickiel. They are guilty of putting minimum words in their posts to bring it up to the top of the list, in many instances. I think if you were honest you would admit that you are rather bored with the onslaught of religious posts/threads too.
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
TV journalists shot dead on air
G#Gill;1485288 wrote: I think if you were honest you would admit that you are rather bored with the onslaught of religious posts/threads too.
I know I sure the Heck am. Thanks for the video, that was creepy and astounding.
I know I sure the Heck am. Thanks for the video, that was creepy and astounding.
TV journalists shot dead on air
G#Gill;1485288 wrote: Well, I am so sorry, I'm sure. But I think you will find, LarsMac, that most of the posts I have made in order to lift them to the top of the list have been proper posts. True there have been one or two which I have just used to bump the post up, but not that many. Why are you saying something like that to me ? I haven't noticed you saying similar to Ted or Gnostic Christian Bishop, or Mickiel. They are guilty of putting minimum words in their posts to bring it up to the top of the list, in many instances. I think if you were honest you would admit that you are rather bored with the onslaught of religious posts/threads too.
Yes, Dear. I have become bored with them, as well. I'm just saying, that when I see that you or Saint_, or Ann, or many of the rest of the regulars have made the last post on the thread, I think, Oh, good, something interesting. And then when it's just a bump, I am so disappointed.
and when I am disappointed, I whine.
When I whine the wife smacks me. When that happens I have to go do some chores.
So, Please, save me from having to do chores, and post something besides a bump.
Yes, Dear. I have become bored with them, as well. I'm just saying, that when I see that you or Saint_, or Ann, or many of the rest of the regulars have made the last post on the thread, I think, Oh, good, something interesting. And then when it's just a bump, I am so disappointed.
and when I am disappointed, I whine.
When I whine the wife smacks me. When that happens I have to go do some chores.
So, Please, save me from having to do chores, and post something besides a bump.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
TV journalists shot dead on air
I knew it, I just knew it. Lars you are just about as daft as a lot of the rest of us ! :yh_rotfl
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
Pretty sure the government did this to make people question our rights to own weapons. Also, I read the wizard of oz so the media is full of ****e.
Smoke signals ftw!
TV journalists shot dead on air
Bruv;1485244 wrote: You may be interested in this video and the link below.
Gun Shop
Good 'find', Bruv. Educating folk that gun owership is dangerous; killing devices with often un-forseen consequences to owners!
Gun Shop
Good 'find', Bruv. Educating folk that gun owership is dangerous; killing devices with often un-forseen consequences to owners!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
Smaug;1485545 wrote: Good 'find', Bruv. Educating folk that gun owership is dangerous; killing devices with often un-forseen consequences to owners!educating? more like Manipulating? I'm sure you can do the exact same video with a kitchen knife. In my media classes they call this emotional manipulation.
Smoke signals ftw!
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
Also educating would be more useful than trying to get Americans to get rid of their guns. And by educating I mean the same things I learned in jrotc like uh hey don't point a gun at a person ever, always clean your rifle and never assume a rifle isn't loaded until you've personally checked yourself, also maybe I don't know have a safe. And if someone wants to kill someone or themselves, taking away guns isn't going to stop them. Bombs are easily made by simple household items you can Google that if you wanted.
Smoke signals ftw!
TV journalists shot dead on air
Omni_Skittles;1485551 wrote: Also educating would be more useful than trying to get Americans to get rid of their guns. And by educating I mean the same things I learned in jrotc like uh hey don't point a gun at a person ever, always clean your rifle and never assume a rifle isn't loaded until you've personally checked yourself, also maybe I don't know have a safe. And if someone wants to kill someone or themselves, taking away guns isn't going to stop them. Bombs are easily made by simple household items you can Google that if you wanted.
Maybe, but what is a gun? A device for killing things; the easy availability of same merely encourages that trend. True, you can kill with a kitchen knife, but it's'up close messy and personal'.
Guns offer the option of killing at range;-far less personal, IMO. The UK citizenry is not armed, and we consequently don't have many recurring massacres as the US seem to.
Sure, it WAS a form of'emotional manipulation', but to a good end, as it made those potential purchasers think again, and weigh the consequences of ownership more carefully.
Maybe, but what is a gun? A device for killing things; the easy availability of same merely encourages that trend. True, you can kill with a kitchen knife, but it's'up close messy and personal'.
Guns offer the option of killing at range;-far less personal, IMO. The UK citizenry is not armed, and we consequently don't have many recurring massacres as the US seem to.
Sure, it WAS a form of'emotional manipulation', but to a good end, as it made those potential purchasers think again, and weigh the consequences of ownership more carefully.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
Smaug;1485553 wrote:
Maybe, but what is a gun? A device for killing things; the easy availability of same merely encourages that trend. True, you can kill with a kitchen knife, but it's'up close messy and personal'.
Guns offer the option of killing at range;-far less personal, IMO. The UK citizenry is not armed, and we consequently don't have many recurring massacres as the US seem to.
Sure, it WAS a form of'emotional manipulation', but to a good end, as it made those potential purchasers think again, and weigh the consequences of ownership more carefully. I think owning a gun shouldn't be a decision made lightly and I'm sure those people are better off not owning guns if they are so easily manipulated like this anyways. Point one for propaganda.
Maybe, but what is a gun? A device for killing things; the easy availability of same merely encourages that trend. True, you can kill with a kitchen knife, but it's'up close messy and personal'.
Guns offer the option of killing at range;-far less personal, IMO. The UK citizenry is not armed, and we consequently don't have many recurring massacres as the US seem to.
Sure, it WAS a form of'emotional manipulation', but to a good end, as it made those potential purchasers think again, and weigh the consequences of ownership more carefully. I think owning a gun shouldn't be a decision made lightly and I'm sure those people are better off not owning guns if they are so easily manipulated like this anyways. Point one for propaganda.
Smoke signals ftw!
TV journalists shot dead on air
Omni_Skittles;1485556 wrote: I think owning a gun shouldn't be a decision made lightly and I'm sure those people are better off not owning guns if they are so easily manipulated like this anyways. Point one for propaganda.
It is an information video, an anti gun advertisement only, people should always have options while knowing the possible consequences of that decision.
Having guns does not make people free, it makes them captive to the fear of everybody else being armed and evil.
It is an information video, an anti gun advertisement only, people should always have options while knowing the possible consequences of that decision.
Having guns does not make people free, it makes them captive to the fear of everybody else being armed and evil.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
TV journalists shot dead on air
Bruv;1485558 wrote: It is an information video, an anti gun advertisement only, people should always have options while knowing the possible consequences of that decision.
Having guns does not make people free, it makes them captive to the fear of everybody else being armed and evil.
I agree with you Bruv. I'm so glad that, in the UK, there are strict laws governing the ownership of guns. Also the fact that our police force are not armed, except for special duties and when called upon to face an armed criminal. I sincerely hope that arming our police force as a normal situation is put off for as long as possible.
Having guns does not make people free, it makes them captive to the fear of everybody else being armed and evil.
I agree with you Bruv. I'm so glad that, in the UK, there are strict laws governing the ownership of guns. Also the fact that our police force are not armed, except for special duties and when called upon to face an armed criminal. I sincerely hope that arming our police force as a normal situation is put off for as long as possible.
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
Bruv;1485558 wrote: It is an information video, an anti gun advertisement only, people should always have options while knowing the possible consequences of that decision.
Having guns does not make people free, it makes them captive to the fear of everybody else being armed and evil. it's not fear of everybody, it's the government and media that I don't trust. And zombies. I'm not going rifleless in a zombie apocalypse.
Having guns does not make people free, it makes them captive to the fear of everybody else being armed and evil. it's not fear of everybody, it's the government and media that I don't trust. And zombies. I'm not going rifleless in a zombie apocalypse.
Smoke signals ftw!
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
G#Gill;1485563 wrote: I agree with you Bruv. I'm so glad that, in the UK, there are strict laws governing the ownership of guns. Also the fact that our police force are not armed, except for special duties and when called upon to face an armed criminal. I sincerely hope that arming our police force as a normal situation is put off for as long as possible.im glad you feel safe. I feel safe too with all my guns. I don't trust a government that doesn't allow you to defend your home if needed. when people are murdered I don't think that it's fair for the media or the government to turn it into an agenda for gun control. It's not education to manipulate people through their emotions.
Smoke signals ftw!
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
TV journalists shot dead on air
Omni_Skittles;1485539 wrote: Pretty sure the government did this to make people question our rights to own weapons. Also, I read the wizard of oz so the media is full of ****e.
Are you saying the government murdered those TV journalists?
Are you saying the government murdered those TV journalists?
TV journalists shot dead on air
Omni_Skittles;1485564 wrote: it's not fear of everybody, it's the government and media that I don't trust. And zombies. I'm not going rifleless in a zombie apocalypse.
And when was the last time you overthrew your government by weight of arms ?
Most advanced nations (America is advanced isn't it?) change Government at the ballot box.
And by the way..............your government has the largest arms budget in the world....................your drawer full of guns has no chance.
And finally..................are you sure it's not you that has fallen for the emotive propaganda ?
And when was the last time you overthrew your government by weight of arms ?
Most advanced nations (America is advanced isn't it?) change Government at the ballot box.
And by the way..............your government has the largest arms budget in the world....................your drawer full of guns has no chance.
And finally..................are you sure it's not you that has fallen for the emotive propaganda ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
TV journalists shot dead on air
AnneBoleyn;1485579 wrote: Are you saying the government murdered those TV journalists?
Well it's a representative government. A government of the people. And the people haven't put an end to the out-of-control gun sales and violence. Because of that massacres are happening every day. So, in a way, yes...the government did kill those people.
Well it's a representative government. A government of the people. And the people haven't put an end to the out-of-control gun sales and violence. Because of that massacres are happening every day. So, in a way, yes...the government did kill those people.
TV journalists shot dead on air
Omni_Skittles;1485564 wrote: it's not fear of everybody, it's the government and media that I don't trust. And zombies. I'm not going rifleless in a zombie apocalypse.
Well, I have no intention of giving up my guns either, but, the problem, it seems to me, is that it has become the zombies who are the most heavily armed.
Well, I have no intention of giving up my guns either, but, the problem, it seems to me, is that it has become the zombies who are the most heavily armed.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
TV journalists shot dead on air
LarsMac;1485595 wrote: Well, I have no intention of giving up my guns either, but, the problem, it seems to me, is that it has become the zombies who are the most heavily armed.
If by "zombies" you "everyone over 10 years old in the entire country of America," I agree.
If by "zombies" you "everyone over 10 years old in the entire country of America," I agree.
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
AnneBoleyn;1485579 wrote: Are you saying the government murdered those TV journalists? I would never rule out the possibility
Smoke signals ftw!
-
Omni_Skittles
- Posts: 2613
- Joined: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:10 am
TV journalists shot dead on air
Bruv;1485586 wrote: And when was the last time you overthrew your government by weight of arms ?
Most advanced nations (America is advanced isn't it?) change Government at the ballot box.
And by the way..............your government has the largest arms budget in the world....................your drawer full of guns has no chance.
And finally..................are you sure it's not you that has fallen for the emotive propaganda ? I'm not silly enough to leave them in drawers. And it's better than no chance at all...
Most advanced nations (America is advanced isn't it?) change Government at the ballot box.
And by the way..............your government has the largest arms budget in the world....................your drawer full of guns has no chance.
And finally..................are you sure it's not you that has fallen for the emotive propaganda ? I'm not silly enough to leave them in drawers. And it's better than no chance at all...
Smoke signals ftw!
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
TV journalists shot dead on air
Omni_Skittles;1485597 wrote: I would never rule out the possibility
Are you saying it is Probable?
Are you saying it is Probable?
TV journalists shot dead on air
In the U.K. it is also illegal to carry a knife without demonstrable due cause. For example, if you get stopped in the street carrying a Stanley Knife you can be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon. If, on the other hand, you can prove that you were about to use it to, say, cut open some packaging, that's different. A similar thing applies if you get stopped carrying a Baseball Bat. However, if you also have a Ball then you can claim it as evidence as being equipment for a game of Baseball.
Isn't it ironic how America, in particular, exerts so much authority over other cultures, such as Islam, for instance, for their adherence to Primitive Law, whilst at the same time clinging to the Primitive Law based on the English Bill of Rights from pre-Independance days.
Isn't it ironic how America, in particular, exerts so much authority over other cultures, such as Islam, for instance, for their adherence to Primitive Law, whilst at the same time clinging to the Primitive Law based on the English Bill of Rights from pre-Independance days.
TV journalists shot dead on air
I bought an axe the other week. Putting a plastic bag round the axehead made it okay to carry over my shoulder through the town centre, so they reckoned. Nobody batted an eye. Well, they wouldn't, all things considered, but even so.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
TV journalists shot dead on air
spot;1486144 wrote: I bought an axe the other week. Putting a plastic bag round the axehead made it okay to carry over my shoulder through the town centre, so they reckoned. Nobody batted an eye. Well, they wouldn't, all things considered, but even so.
That doesn't surprise me in the least.
Some time back I bought a Stanley Knife on eBay. It seems he got his account closed because he was including blades with it in the same packaging. Apparently the blades should have been sent separately.
That doesn't surprise me in the least.
Some time back I bought a Stanley Knife on eBay. It seems he got his account closed because he was including blades with it in the same packaging. Apparently the blades should have been sent separately.
TV journalists shot dead on air
FourPart;1486142 wrote:
Isn't it ironic how America, in particular, exerts so much authority over other cultures, such as Islam, for instance, for their adherence to Primitive Law, whilst at the same time clinging to the Primitive Law based on the English Bill of Rights from pre-Independance days.
Yes, heart-breakingly ironic. You'd think that the Constitution was set in stone and it was blasphemy to change it. Even though it was designed to be a changing, living document...
Isn't it ironic how America, in particular, exerts so much authority over other cultures, such as Islam, for instance, for their adherence to Primitive Law, whilst at the same time clinging to the Primitive Law based on the English Bill of Rights from pre-Independance days.
Yes, heart-breakingly ironic. You'd think that the Constitution was set in stone and it was blasphemy to change it. Even though it was designed to be a changing, living document...
-
AnneBoleyn
- Posts: 6631
- Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm
TV journalists shot dead on air
Saint_;1485594 wrote: Well it's a representative government. A government of the people. And the people haven't put an end to the out-of-control gun sales and violence. Because of that massacres are happening every day. So, in a way, yes...the government did kill those people.
That's a stretch.
That's a stretch.
TV journalists shot dead on air
FourPart;1486142 wrote: In the U.K. it is also illegal to carry a knife without demonstrable due cause. For example, if you get stopped in the street carrying a Stanley Knife you can be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon. If, on the other hand, you can prove that you were about to use it to, say, cut open some packaging, that's different. A similar thing applies if you get stopped carrying a Baseball Bat. However, if you also have a Ball then you can claim it as evidence as being equipment for a game of Baseball.
Isn't it ironic how America, in particular, exerts so much authority over other cultures, such as Islam, for instance, for their adherence to Primitive Law, whilst at the same time clinging to the Primitive Law based on the English Bill of Rights from pre-Independance days.
So. if you're carrying a screw driver do you have to show "demonstrable due cause" for screwing in the near future?
Isn't it ironic how America, in particular, exerts so much authority over other cultures, such as Islam, for instance, for their adherence to Primitive Law, whilst at the same time clinging to the Primitive Law based on the English Bill of Rights from pre-Independance days.
So. if you're carrying a screw driver do you have to show "demonstrable due cause" for screwing in the near future?
TV journalists shot dead on air
YZGI;1486271 wrote: So. if you're carrying a screw driver do you have to show "demonstrable due cause" for screwing in the near future?
R. v Parkin [2010] EWCA Crim 2280
11:30 pm D in possession of a knife whilst breaking windows on a car. Disturbed by victim who confronts D and his accomplice. D threatens to stab victim, and tries to slash victim with knife. Convicted after trial of possession of an offensive weapon.
12:30 am disturbed interfering with another car by another victim and produces two screwdrivers. D was holding a screwdriver. D threatened to stab the victim with it. D lunged at victim but he managed to wrestle the screwdriver from D. D then produced a second screwdriver from his pocket and started waving that around too. Again, the victim managed to wrestle it from his control. Pleaded guilty to having an offensive weapon. D 26 yrs with previous. Sentenced to 3 years for knife with 2 years consecutive for screwdriver. 5 years in total not excessive.
(Knives and Offensive Weapons: Sentencing Manual: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service)
R. v Parkin [2010] EWCA Crim 2280
11:30 pm D in possession of a knife whilst breaking windows on a car. Disturbed by victim who confronts D and his accomplice. D threatens to stab victim, and tries to slash victim with knife. Convicted after trial of possession of an offensive weapon.
12:30 am disturbed interfering with another car by another victim and produces two screwdrivers. D was holding a screwdriver. D threatened to stab the victim with it. D lunged at victim but he managed to wrestle the screwdriver from D. D then produced a second screwdriver from his pocket and started waving that around too. Again, the victim managed to wrestle it from his control. Pleaded guilty to having an offensive weapon. D 26 yrs with previous. Sentenced to 3 years for knife with 2 years consecutive for screwdriver. 5 years in total not excessive.
(Knives and Offensive Weapons: Sentencing Manual: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service)
TV journalists shot dead on air
YZGI;1486271 wrote: So. if you're carrying a screw driver do you have to show "demonstrable due cause" for screwing in the near future?
Apparently if you can't show "demonstrable due cause" you will literally be "screwed".
I use to keep a baseball bat in my car. Lest anybody got the thought that it was to be used as a weapon made sure to also have a baseball and glove. After all, never know when a ball game might break out. I learned that after being hassled over a stick.
Far as knives go, they always have a use.
Apparently if you can't show "demonstrable due cause" you will literally be "screwed".
I use to keep a baseball bat in my car. Lest anybody got the thought that it was to be used as a weapon made sure to also have a baseball and glove. After all, never know when a ball game might break out. I learned that after being hassled over a stick.
Far as knives go, they always have a use.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.