Drone executions now

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:25 pm

Two British jihadists from the Islamic State group were killed by a RAF drone strike in Syria

And the 'Justification'...................self defence.

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:39 pm

Bruv;1485966 wrote: Two British jihadists from the Islamic State group were killed by a RAF drone strike in Syria

And the 'Justification'...................self defence.

When you join a terror group, you have crossed a line. ISIS have perpetrated deeds that defy belief, such as burning that poor chap alive in a cage, and cutting an innocent aid-worker's head off slowly with a knife. Life is difficult enough without coddling vermin, IMO. I certainly won't be shedding any tears over their fate, Bruv, callous as that may seem to some.

As for it being 'self-defence', that's debatable.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:44 pm

So it is justifiable for a controller in Lincolnshire to remotely wage war in a far off land without Parliamentary agreement ?..............make your bloody mind up.

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:51 pm

Bruv;1485971 wrote: So it is justifiable for a controller in Lincolnshire to remotely wage war in a far off land without Parliamentary agreement ?..............make your bloody mind up.

Things are often done in covert or overt war without prior consultation with Parliament. Someone must have authorised it, though. I would be curious as to the reason(s) behind it, but overall, I care little for the fate of anyone belonging to ISIS. As I said, when someone joins those barbaric butchers, they've crossed a line, Bruv. It could be one of our family butchered by ISIS in the future, if they're not dissuaded from committing these atrocities.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:55 am

Smaug;1485974 wrote: Things are often done in covert or overt war without prior consultation with Parliament. Someone must have authorised it, though. I would be curious as to the reason(s) behind it, but overall, I care little for the fate of anyone belonging to ISIS. As I said, when someone joins those barbaric butchers, they've crossed a line, Bruv. It could be one of our family butchered by ISIS in the future, if they're not dissuaded from committing these atrocities.

If someone within the military has committed an act of war without the authorisation of Parliament then his head should be on the block.

As far as I know the only person within Parliament who *could* do so is the Prime Minister but, even them, it would be unconstitutional - he is only the first minister and not a sovereign ruler and cannot take such action without the agreement of at least the Cabinet.

OMHO any act of war carried out without a prior formal declaration of war is a war crime and should be treated as such.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:36 am

Smaug;1485974 wrote: Things are often done in covert or overt war without prior consultation with Parliament. Someone must have authorised it, though. I would be curious as to the reason(s) behind it, but overall, I care little for the fate of anyone belonging to ISIS. As I said, when someone joins those barbaric butchers, they've crossed a line, Bruv. It could be one of our family butchered by ISIS in the future, if they're not dissuaded from committing these atrocities.

Blair is a war criminal...............it is widely believed, so Cameron is too ?

"Crossed a line".......................and that line is set by who.....whom ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:26 am

When someone goes to join an enemy force, they are effectively guilty of High Treason & therefore forfeit all their rights as citizens. The rights & wrongs of their politics don't come into it. ISIS are the enemy. Anyone who joins ISIS by default becomes the enemy. Pure & simple. They cannot be expected to use their citizenship as a shield of convenience.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:55 am

So if the military want they can 'take out', whoever they like, whenever they like, without the sanction of Parliament ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:27 am

Their very presence shows it has been sanctioned by Parliament. Otherwise, who would be paying for it all?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:32 pm

FourPart;1486033 wrote: Their very presence shows it has been sanctioned by Parliament. Otherwise, who would be paying for it all?

Oh yes......we will be paying for it no fear, blood on the streets in London I suspect.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:56 pm

Bruv;1486041 wrote: Oh yes......we will be paying for it no fear, blood on the streets in London I suspect.

Repent! The End is Near!

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:32 am

It appears that the latest 'news' concerning these drone killings is that it could be that the families of these traitors may be entitled to claim compensation and sue the British Government !!!!! For pities sake has the world gone totally mad ? Those jihadists had been plotting to kill our Queen during the VJ ceremony ! They had also been 'poster boys' for 2 years and they had bragged on social media how they beheaded people, and they tried to persuade others to join ISIS.

MEP Gerard Batten said "Britons who go to fight for Islamic State, a despicable terrorist organisation, have to expect retaliation. It is good that the British military are able to strike back at people making war on us in our own country."

I agree with Batten, and I agree with the retaliation by our military.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:24 am

I wonder if these jihadist executions that everybody seems to back 'took out' the target alone ?

Or were they targeted at dwellings where the targets were 'thought' to be living, taking out anyone that might have been present too ?

In an ideological war fed by instant Internet propaganda a picture of wrecked homes with 'innocent' dead bodies recruits more people to the cause, especially when the action is illegal.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:17 am

When retaliation occurs in an ISIS stronghold, the chances are I would think, that any other people caught up in such an attack would no doubt be ISIS members too, along with the target.

Strange, isn't it, that it seems OK for UK/USA to be turned on by their own people should there be more than a specific target 'taken out'. We are in a dangerous war situation. It is good that our MI5 etc. are 'on the ball' and efficient enough to 'take out' evil potential assassins before they slaughter dozens of innocent people going about their business in this country ! Do we really want a repeat of the London underground bombings/bus bombings ? These ISIS members chose to go abroad and join ISIS, knowing that they could die out there. It seems that they are not afraid of death anyway. They are all dangerous fanatics and I doubt very much whether their beliefs can be changed by discussion. They are fanatical in wanting to get rid of 'the infidels' in whatever country these 'infidels' live in.

As I have said, we in the west, are in a war situation with unspeakably violent, sadistic and unfeeling murderers. What are we expected to do ? Sit on our backsides and allow them free reign to mutilate and assassinate innocent people ?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:58 am

G#Gill;1486059 wrote: As I have said, we in the west, are in a war situation with unspeakably violent, sadistic and unfeeling murderers. What are we expected to do ? Sit on our backsides and allow them free reign to mutilate and assassinate innocent people ?

What are we supposed to do ?

Firstly declare war ? Otherwise these nutters have a legitimate claim that we are waging a terrorist war against them, and so recruit even more nutters.

Another thing we could do is ask ourselves how this situation has occurred and could our actions make it worse.

I don't know the answer, but keep on doing what you have been doing and expecting another outcome is.......................madness.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:47 pm

Declare war & we are then accused of illegal wars.

Technically speaking, moving in to Syria, without the request of the recognised ruling Government, could be considered an illegal act - declaration or otherwise because it is a Civil War.

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:13 am

Seems there's no right answer here; if we do nothing about ISIS our civilians will be

butchered, but if we assassinate ISIS operatives our civilians will still be butchered!

This being the case, I would say we have little to lose (short term) by targeting ISIS in this way. Long term, I would suggest we should be convincing Muslims that they do

Shaitan's work by joining ISIS. We need to study the Quran to find good examples

that illustrate this, then we stand a chance. Until then, it's purely 'tit-for-tat'....