I live in the City of Southampton. Within that City there are 2 constituencies. Within each constituency multiple towns / villages. Each of these have smaller wards.
You said that none had a majority. I showed that some did. Even if only one of my listing showed a majority, that one would have proved your statement of none to be incorrect.
It is a fact that Muslim populations focus in certain areas, rather than equally dispersed across the country, which makes a difference between National diversity & Township diversity. Censuses have shown that the Muslim population is the greatest increasing one in the UK, with the percentage growth figure having more than doubled in the past 10 years. If our borders were to be closed at this point, this is a curve that would most likely continue to increase along this growth curve. However, as stated, the thread is about the refugees coming over here. Just tell me what a difference that is likely to make to that growth curve.
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FourPart;1486846 wrote: I live in the City of Southampton. Within that City there are 2 constituencies. Within each constituency multiple towns / villages. Each of these have smaller wards.
I'm interested - would you like to name a selection of towns that are within the City of Southampton?
I'm interested - would you like to name a selection of towns that are within the City of Southampton?
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spot;1486848 wrote: I'm interested - would you like to name a selection of towns that are within the City of Southampton?
Towns and Areas in Southampton - postcode-info.co.uk
Towns and Areas in Southampton - postcode-info.co.uk
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Firstly, to answer Bruv's OP question; I would suggest that the refugees be granted temporary asylum in countries nearer to their own lands, rather than encouraging them to cross Europe to seek mass-haven in Western and Northern Europe; there are plenty of countries they will encounter who are at peace before they get anywhere near the aforementioned areas, but in return, we should share costs with countries granting this asylum.
I would consider that to be an appropriate use for some of our foreign aid funds, as opposed to giving it to India to fund their space programme, or to China, one of the wealthiest nations currently on this planet! This is a short-term solution only.
The long-term solution(s) with the seven key points I have made already in a previous post.
To answer Spot's query on demographics, I would say this; Take a look at the figures for Muslim residence in the UK for the 80's, then take a look at the vastly larger current figure, and given these two approximate figures and the rate of expansion, take an educated guess at what that approximate figure will probably be in, say, 15 years from now. Even I can deduce that it will likely be larger by several million!
FourPart is quite correct to state that the spread is uneven; Muslims tend to congregate in certain areas in dense numbers (Leicester is a fair example, as are London, Bradford, Burnley and Birmingham).
Leicester is, in fact, now the 'gold capital' of Europe, and about the only city I know that has made a reasonable success of multiculturalism.
Surely this makes sense to anyone, bar a delusional Ostrich, (such as our moribund governing 'elite'), and the 'politically correct' 'do-gooders' that belabour our ailing island....
I would consider that to be an appropriate use for some of our foreign aid funds, as opposed to giving it to India to fund their space programme, or to China, one of the wealthiest nations currently on this planet! This is a short-term solution only.
The long-term solution(s) with the seven key points I have made already in a previous post.
To answer Spot's query on demographics, I would say this; Take a look at the figures for Muslim residence in the UK for the 80's, then take a look at the vastly larger current figure, and given these two approximate figures and the rate of expansion, take an educated guess at what that approximate figure will probably be in, say, 15 years from now. Even I can deduce that it will likely be larger by several million!
FourPart is quite correct to state that the spread is uneven; Muslims tend to congregate in certain areas in dense numbers (Leicester is a fair example, as are London, Bradford, Burnley and Birmingham).
Leicester is, in fact, now the 'gold capital' of Europe, and about the only city I know that has made a reasonable success of multiculturalism.
Surely this makes sense to anyone, bar a delusional Ostrich, (such as our moribund governing 'elite'), and the 'politically correct' 'do-gooders' that belabour our ailing island....
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Smaug;1486855 wrote: Firstly, to answer Bruv's OP question; I would suggest that the refugees be granted temporary asylum in countries nearer to their own lands, rather than encouraging them to cross Europe to seek mass-haven in Western and Northern Europe; there are plenty of countries they will encounter who are at peace before they get anywhere near the aforementioned areas, but in return, we should share costs with countries granting this asylum.
I would consider that to be an appropriate use for some of our foreign aid funds, as opposed to giving it to India to fund their space programme, or to China, one of the wealthiest nations currently on this planet! This is a short-term solution only.
The long-term solution(s) with the seven key points I have made already in a previous post.
There are over 6 million displaced within Syria, and over 4 million outside, in the poorer parts of Europe, the 2 million cannot stay in Turkey for instance and cannot apply for EU asylum from there unless they illegally cross into the EU, when they break into the EU.......how on earth can they stay in the very first country they arrive at ?
There needs to be an agreement between all EU members and in agreement with those displaced to either share them equally, or for those that want to return some sort of EU-UN funded place of safety.
I would consider that to be an appropriate use for some of our foreign aid funds, as opposed to giving it to India to fund their space programme, or to China, one of the wealthiest nations currently on this planet! This is a short-term solution only.
The long-term solution(s) with the seven key points I have made already in a previous post.
There are over 6 million displaced within Syria, and over 4 million outside, in the poorer parts of Europe, the 2 million cannot stay in Turkey for instance and cannot apply for EU asylum from there unless they illegally cross into the EU, when they break into the EU.......how on earth can they stay in the very first country they arrive at ?
There needs to be an agreement between all EU members and in agreement with those displaced to either share them equally, or for those that want to return some sort of EU-UN funded place of safety.
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Bruv;1486857 wrote: There are over 6 million displaced within Syria, and over 4 million outside, in the poorer parts of Europe, the 2 million cannot stay in Turkey for instance and cannot apply for EU asylum from there unless they illegally cross into the EU, when they break into the EU.......how on earth can they stay in the very first country they arrive at ?
There needs to be an agreement between all EU members and in agreement with those displaced to either share them equally, or for those that want to return some sort of EU-UN funded place of safety.
That's not what I said, Bruv. I said countries (plural) nearer their own lands. I wasn't suggesting that Turkey try to take them all; that would be a disaster! As regards sharing them out among EU nations nearer their homeland, such was my suggestion, and I'm in full agreement with you there, and also with a jointly funded EU-UN sanctuary.
As for illegal EU entry, the EU will have to learn to be a bit more co-operative in this department, won't it?
There needs to be an agreement between all EU members and in agreement with those displaced to either share them equally, or for those that want to return some sort of EU-UN funded place of safety.
That's not what I said, Bruv. I said countries (plural) nearer their own lands. I wasn't suggesting that Turkey try to take them all; that would be a disaster! As regards sharing them out among EU nations nearer their homeland, such was my suggestion, and I'm in full agreement with you there, and also with a jointly funded EU-UN sanctuary.
As for illegal EU entry, the EU will have to learn to be a bit more co-operative in this department, won't it?
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FourPart;1486852 wrote: Towns and Areas in Southampton - postcode-info.co.uk
We're using different vocabularies, that's the underlying problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town#United_Kingdom describes the different usages. I've spent time using the government definitions of geographic units and the one thing that never happens in governmental geographic units is that any subdivision of a city is called a town. It just doesn't occur. A town is defined differently. It has, effectively, a rural implication simply because it's never a unit within a city.
Never mind - it's a sideshow to the main issue, whether Muslim immigration to the UK is a positive or negative event. Those in favour will outlive those against, and the fact that the question existed will become a footnote in history books.
We're using different vocabularies, that's the underlying problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town#United_Kingdom describes the different usages. I've spent time using the government definitions of geographic units and the one thing that never happens in governmental geographic units is that any subdivision of a city is called a town. It just doesn't occur. A town is defined differently. It has, effectively, a rural implication simply because it's never a unit within a city.
Never mind - it's a sideshow to the main issue, whether Muslim immigration to the UK is a positive or negative event. Those in favour will outlive those against, and the fact that the question existed will become a footnote in history books.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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spot;1486872 wrote: We're using different vocabularies, that's the underlying problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town#United_Kingdom describes the different usages. I've spent time using the government definitions of geographic units and the one thing that never happens in governmental geographic units is that any subdivision of a city is called a town. It just doesn't occur. A town is defined differently. It has, effectively, a rural implication simply because it's never a unit within a city.
Never mind - it's a sideshow to the main issue, whether Muslim immigration to the UK is a positive or negative event. Those in favour will outlive those against, and the fact that the question existed will become a footnote in history books.
I wouldn't be too sure of that, Spot, unless those who are against this 'colonization' by Muslims emigrate, convert to Islam, submit, or die. I personally feel that the worst is yet to come, insomuch as Muslims will vote for Muslim parliamentary candidates; they will turn out in force, whereas the average white voter is pretty apathetic; just look at the turnout at general election time!
Sooner or later, Muslims will probably be forming their own political party (again), and energetically supporting it, whilst we (non-Muslims) will probably carry on not bothering to vote. The point here being that a politically active minority (Muslims) could, at some stage in the future, 'see off' a non-active white electorate, even though we are numerically substantially larger (at present). Thin end of the wedge, possibly.
However, it would seem that at present, they are early as apathetic as we are!
Never mind - it's a sideshow to the main issue, whether Muslim immigration to the UK is a positive or negative event. Those in favour will outlive those against, and the fact that the question existed will become a footnote in history books.
I wouldn't be too sure of that, Spot, unless those who are against this 'colonization' by Muslims emigrate, convert to Islam, submit, or die. I personally feel that the worst is yet to come, insomuch as Muslims will vote for Muslim parliamentary candidates; they will turn out in force, whereas the average white voter is pretty apathetic; just look at the turnout at general election time!
Sooner or later, Muslims will probably be forming their own political party (again), and energetically supporting it, whilst we (non-Muslims) will probably carry on not bothering to vote. The point here being that a politically active minority (Muslims) could, at some stage in the future, 'see off' a non-active white electorate, even though we are numerically substantially larger (at present). Thin end of the wedge, possibly.
However, it would seem that at present, they are early as apathetic as we are!
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What puzzles me is that you see this as undesirable. Why should it not be applauded? The moral values of these people you're so dismissive about are more often to be welcomed than those of the resident population. They have a lot to offer.
Let's face it, the extensive ethical decay to be found in British life at every level of society could do with a good example to follow. Merely watching Big Brother is, I would imagine, painful to anyone possessing even a residual degree of sensibility.
We live in sordid times, we have a pit to climb out of and Muslim immigration may well provide the necessary impetus to make the effort.
Let's face it, the extensive ethical decay to be found in British life at every level of society could do with a good example to follow. Merely watching Big Brother is, I would imagine, painful to anyone possessing even a residual degree of sensibility.
We live in sordid times, we have a pit to climb out of and Muslim immigration may well provide the necessary impetus to make the effort.
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In many ways what you say is true; they show many of the values we appear to have left behind years ago-no argument there!
Truth-to-tell, there ARE certain aspects of British society that sicken me, such as some of our increasingly degenerate attitudes, namely public debauchery and sexualisation issues, not to mention the alcohol culture! However, I am concerned that, should they ever hold the 'whip hand', life could be very different here for us, especially if Muslims become more radical and intolerant of other faiths and cultures.
There are quite a few 'hate clerics' living in the UK; also the internet plays a substantial role in radicalising young Muslims, as well as recruiting white racists into ultra-right wing groups such as the EDL and Britain First.
It could easily turn nasty, especially if immigration continues at the current pace. Immigrants need to remember that this is OUR country, and it's not their place to impose their values upon us, rightly OR wrongly. If I was living at your house, you would rightly expect me to abide by YOUR house rules, be they right or wrong.
As for Big Brother, don't get me started! 'Painful' is way too short of the mark for my money!!
Apologies for the re-edits on this post-I had a short night's sleep last night, and I'm pretty tired now. Got an early start tomorrow as well (6.30-bleddy'ell)....!
Truth-to-tell, there ARE certain aspects of British society that sicken me, such as some of our increasingly degenerate attitudes, namely public debauchery and sexualisation issues, not to mention the alcohol culture! However, I am concerned that, should they ever hold the 'whip hand', life could be very different here for us, especially if Muslims become more radical and intolerant of other faiths and cultures.
There are quite a few 'hate clerics' living in the UK; also the internet plays a substantial role in radicalising young Muslims, as well as recruiting white racists into ultra-right wing groups such as the EDL and Britain First.
It could easily turn nasty, especially if immigration continues at the current pace. Immigrants need to remember that this is OUR country, and it's not their place to impose their values upon us, rightly OR wrongly. If I was living at your house, you would rightly expect me to abide by YOUR house rules, be they right or wrong.
As for Big Brother, don't get me started! 'Painful' is way too short of the mark for my money!!
Apologies for the re-edits on this post-I had a short night's sleep last night, and I'm pretty tired now. Got an early start tomorrow as well (6.30-bleddy'ell)....!
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I can't help but wonder if Spot is a Muslim.
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Smaug;1486877 wrote: I had a short night's sleep last night, and I'm pretty tired now. Got an early start tomorrow as well (6.30-bleddy'ell)....!
You get your head down early mate, and stop worrying about all those Ifs and Maybes.
I have had the belief for a long time that the rise of the overly puritanical in the world, be it Islam or right wing is a reaction to the lowering of moral standards and the sexualisation we are surrounded with every day.
You get your head down early mate, and stop worrying about all those Ifs and Maybes.
I have had the belief for a long time that the rise of the overly puritanical in the world, be it Islam or right wing is a reaction to the lowering of moral standards and the sexualisation we are surrounded with every day.
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FourPart;1486878 wrote: I can't help but wonder if Spot is a Muslim.
Methodist, sir. A reeder of the Wesleys, an admirer of the hymns of Charles and the sermons of John.
I recall John Wesley had something to say which would fit neatly here, let me go and get it...
4. “Search me, O Lord, and prove me. Try out my reins and my heart! Look well if there be
any way of bigotry “in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. In order to examine ourselves
thoroughly, let the case be proposed in the strongest manner. What, if I were to see a Papist, an
Arian, a Socinian casting out devils? If I did, I could not forbid even him, without convicting myself
of bigotry. Yea, if it could be supposed that I should see a Jew, a Deist, or a Turk, doing the same,
were I to forbid him either directly or indirectly, I should be no better than a bigot still.
5. O stand clear of this! But be not content with not forbidding any that casts out devils. It is
well to go thus far; but do not stop here. If you will avoid all bigotry, go on. In every instance of
this kind, whatever the instrument be, acknowledge the finger of God. And not only acknowledge,
but rejoice in his work, and praise his name with thanksgiving. Encourage whomsoever God is
pleased to employ, to give himself wholly up thereto. Speak well of him wheresoever you are;
defend his character and his mission. Enlarge, as far as you can, his sphere of action; show him all
kindness in word and deed; and cease not to cry to God in his behalf, that he may save both himself
and them that hear him.
http://www.luc.edu/faculty/pmoser/idola ... ermons.pdf
Methodist, sir. A reeder of the Wesleys, an admirer of the hymns of Charles and the sermons of John.
I recall John Wesley had something to say which would fit neatly here, let me go and get it...
4. “Search me, O Lord, and prove me. Try out my reins and my heart! Look well if there be
any way of bigotry “in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. In order to examine ourselves
thoroughly, let the case be proposed in the strongest manner. What, if I were to see a Papist, an
Arian, a Socinian casting out devils? If I did, I could not forbid even him, without convicting myself
of bigotry. Yea, if it could be supposed that I should see a Jew, a Deist, or a Turk, doing the same,
were I to forbid him either directly or indirectly, I should be no better than a bigot still.
5. O stand clear of this! But be not content with not forbidding any that casts out devils. It is
well to go thus far; but do not stop here. If you will avoid all bigotry, go on. In every instance of
this kind, whatever the instrument be, acknowledge the finger of God. And not only acknowledge,
but rejoice in his work, and praise his name with thanksgiving. Encourage whomsoever God is
pleased to employ, to give himself wholly up thereto. Speak well of him wheresoever you are;
defend his character and his mission. Enlarge, as far as you can, his sphere of action; show him all
kindness in word and deed; and cease not to cry to God in his behalf, that he may save both himself
and them that hear him.
http://www.luc.edu/faculty/pmoser/idola ... ermons.pdf
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Bruv;1486880 wrote: You get your head down early mate, and stop worrying about all those Ifs and Maybes.
I have had the belief for a long time that the rise of the overly puritanical in the world, be it Islam or right wing is a reaction to the lowering of moral standards and the sexualisation we are surrounded with every day.
I can go with that, Bruv. I would also add that I think the right-wing is also reacting to the Muslim influx, and Muslims are reacting to the far-right's rise....
An unholy, self-stoking cycle.
I have had the belief for a long time that the rise of the overly puritanical in the world, be it Islam or right wing is a reaction to the lowering of moral standards and the sexualisation we are surrounded with every day.
I can go with that, Bruv. I would also add that I think the right-wing is also reacting to the Muslim influx, and Muslims are reacting to the far-right's rise....
An unholy, self-stoking cycle.
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Extremists are a curse in any religion. It also seems to me that Paul or Jesus also said something similar when someone complained that another was casting out demons. In her book"The Great Transformation" she points out how all of the great faiths in the world began with the principles of justice and compassion. As an Ecumanist I have come to accept the validity of all the great faiths.
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spot;1486885 wrote: Methodist, sir. A reeder of the Wesleys, an admirer of the hymns of Charles and the sermons of John.
Hilary Clinton is also a Methodist. FYI.
Hilary Clinton is also a Methodist. FYI.