The Government is planning to fast-track the creation of a British Bill of Rights, aiming to get the hotly contested legislation on to the statute books by next summer
To replace the Human Rights Act...............why ?
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I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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If I can't reed the text then it damn well doesn't exist. I do not wish to smell the sizzling sausage, I insist on a sight of what Gove aims to force-feed me.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Perhaps I am being cynical, but what is the point of introducing such bills if the next parliament is going to be able to overturn it anyway? For instance - the current attempts to overturn the Fox Hunting Ban. Fortunately they knew it wouldn't have sufficient support to go through the Commons just yet, so it's been shelved - although that doesn't mean it's not still on the back burner to be sneaked through whenever they get a chance.
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No government can tie the hands of subsequent administrations. There are, I think, rare circumstances in which a government could commit a subsequent administration to seek re-election before adopting a measure, but I can't think of any examples in my lifetime. International commitments can sometimes be a different matter too, but not a domestic issue like fox-hunting, or hanging, or whether women can vote, or whether drug sales should be restricted, or whether people can bequeath any of their wealth when they die.
Why do you think constraining future governments should be allowed? If it were, fox-hunting could never have been banned in the first place. The governments of the fifties would have committed all future governments to leaving it legal.
Why do you think constraining future governments should be allowed? If it were, fox-hunting could never have been banned in the first place. The governments of the fifties would have committed all future governments to leaving it legal.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;1487678 wrote: No government can tie the hands of subsequent administrations. There are, I think, rare circumstances in which a government could commit a subsequent administration to seek re-election before adopting a measure, but I can't think of any examples in my lifetime. International commitments can sometimes be a different matter too, but not a domestic issue like fox-hunting, or hanging, or whether women can vote, or whether drug sales should be restricted, or whether people can bequeath any of their wealth when they die.
Why do you think constraining future governments should be allowed? If it were, fox-hunting could never have been banned in the first place. The governments of the fifties would have committed all future governments to leaving it legal.
Which is my point exactly. A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back.
Unless there is a cross-party consensus, there's no point.
Why do you think constraining future governments should be allowed? If it were, fox-hunting could never have been banned in the first place. The governments of the fifties would have committed all future governments to leaving it legal.
Which is my point exactly. A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back.
Unless there is a cross-party consensus, there's no point.
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FourPart;1487679 wrote: Which is my point exactly. A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back.
Go on then, give a few examples of things done by one government that have been reversed by its successor. I don't think it's as common as you make out. Name a few instances.
Go on then, give a few examples of things done by one government that have been reversed by its successor. I don't think it's as common as you make out. Name a few instances.
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There is no shortage of bills that have been repealed.
You are certainly an enigma. You make a statement. I agree with it so you challenge the validity of the initial statement.
You are certainly an enigma. You make a statement. I agree with it so you challenge the validity of the initial statement.
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FourPart;1487683 wrote: There is no shortage of bills that have been repealed.
You are certainly an enigma. You make a statement. I agree with it so you challenge the validity of the initial statement.
Watch my lips! I'm not discussing laws being repealed, I'm talking solely of the point you claimed. You claimed that a government introducing a new law has it overturned by the next government coming in, and I'm asking for a few examples because I don't think it's common at all. I think it would be a major exception for that to happen. If you give a few examples, I might change my mind. I'm interested to know what you were thinking of.
Here's what you claimed, and a few examples would be helpful: "A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back."
Abolishing selective state schools? Nationalization of the coal mines? Creating British Rail? None of them were reversed by a change of government and these were huge issues.
You are certainly an enigma. You make a statement. I agree with it so you challenge the validity of the initial statement.
Watch my lips! I'm not discussing laws being repealed, I'm talking solely of the point you claimed. You claimed that a government introducing a new law has it overturned by the next government coming in, and I'm asking for a few examples because I don't think it's common at all. I think it would be a major exception for that to happen. If you give a few examples, I might change my mind. I'm interested to know what you were thinking of.
Here's what you claimed, and a few examples would be helpful: "A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back."
Abolishing selective state schools? Nationalization of the coal mines? Creating British Rail? None of them were reversed by a change of government and these were huge issues.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I've managed to find one repealed act, though they're a little thin on the ground. Plenty of historical repeals from the 1800's though....
Research Briefings - Repeal of section 141 of the Mental Health Act 1983
I notice that Parliament have (2013) brought in a 'repeals act', presumably to streamline the process of repealing ancient, defunct acts.
Research Briefings - Repeal of section 141 of the Mental Health Act 1983
I notice that Parliament have (2013) brought in a 'repeals act', presumably to streamline the process of repealing ancient, defunct acts.
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Obviously most of them are for the greater good, which is why they don't get noticed so much. Such as lowering of voting ages, giving women the vote, decriminalising homosexuality, to the point of even legalising Gay Marriage. All of these were laws that had been enacted - all of which have been repealed / amended. Then there are ones where the 'greater good' comes into question. The example of the ban on Fox Hunting is one such example. There is also the current plan to scrap Tax Credits, introduced by the Labour Government in order to supplement those on a low income. The nationalisation of public services by previous Labour Governments, only to be sold off to Private companies by subsequent Conservative Governments. Even the NHS - set up by a Labour Government as a Nationalised service - now gradually being sold off by subsequent Conservative Governments. Referendums on independence by Scotland, and even one on independence from Europe in the offing. These are all acts which have been passed & overruled (inasmuch as the opportunity was there to do so). Every one of these would be argued by the Government that makes the changes to be in the 'greater good', but they remain, on the whole, controversial, and ultimately only to benefit the wealthier minority.
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spot;1487672 wrote: If I can't reed the text then it damn well doesn't exist. I do not wish to smell the sizzling sausage, I insist on a sight of what Gove aims to force-feed me.
They are fast tracking the "Creation" of a British Bill of Rights, when they have something to discuss I suspect we will all heer about it.
They are fast tracking the "Creation" of a British Bill of Rights, when they have something to discuss I suspect we will all heer about it.
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FourPart;1487689 wrote: Obviously most of them are for the greater good, which is why they don't get noticed so much. Such as lowering of voting ages, giving women the vote, decriminalising homosexuality, to the point of even legalising Gay Marriage. All of these were laws that had been enacted - all of which have been repealed / amended. Then there are ones where the 'greater good' comes into question. The example of the ban on Fox Hunting is one such example. There is also the current plan to scrap Tax Credits, introduced by the Labour Government in order to supplement those on a low income. The nationalisation of public services by previous Labour Governments, only to be sold off to Private companies by subsequent Conservative Governments. Even the NHS - set up by a Labour Government as a Nationalised service - now gradually being sold off by subsequent Conservative Governments. Referendums on independence by Scotland, and even one on independence from Europe in the offing. These are all acts which have been passed & overruled (inasmuch as the opportunity was there to do so). Every one of these would be argued by the Government that makes the changes to be in the 'greater good', but they remain, on the whole, controversial, and ultimately only to benefit the wealthier minority.
The nationalisation of public services by previous Labour Governments, only to be sold off to Private companies by subsequent Conservative Governments.
The biggest case of legalized thievery that I can remember! As these services and utilities were public owned, shouldn't we (the public) have received any monies raised in the selling of these public assets? Tories indeed!
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The nationalisation of public services by previous Labour Governments, only to be sold off to Private companies by subsequent Conservative Governments.
The biggest case of legalized thievery that I can remember! As these services and utilities were public owned, shouldn't we (the public) have received any monies raised in the selling of these public assets? Tories indeed!
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FourPart;1487689 wrote: All of these were laws that had been enacted - all of which have been repealed / amended.
But not by the next incoming government!
"A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back."
"Come the next election"!
Nothing you've given as an "example" falls in this category you started with! And it's the "come the next election" I queried!
Nobody, anywhere, doubts that legislation gets repealed!
But not by the next incoming government!
"A Government is in favour of something. The opposition is against it. The Government, having a majority, passes it. Come the next election, when the opposition becomes the Government, having the majority themselves just change it back."
"Come the next election"!
Nothing you've given as an "example" falls in this category you started with! And it's the "come the next election" I queried!
Nobody, anywhere, doubts that legislation gets repealed!
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Smaug;1487693 wrote: The nationalisation of public services by previous Labour Governments, only to be sold off to Private companies by subsequent Conservative Governments.
The biggest case of legalized thievery that I can remember! As these services and utilities were public owned, shouldn't we (the public) have received any monies raised in the selling of these public assets? Tories indeed!
Oh, but you did see a benefit. The upper income folks got a tax break from it. There you go. Say "Thank you".
The biggest case of legalized thievery that I can remember! As these services and utilities were public owned, shouldn't we (the public) have received any monies raised in the selling of these public assets? Tories indeed!
Oh, but you did see a benefit. The upper income folks got a tax break from it. There you go. Say "Thank you".
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Bruv;1487668 wrote: The Government is planning to fast-track the creation of a British Bill of Rights, aiming to get the hotly contested legislation on to the statute books by next summer
To replace the Human Rights Act...............why ?
As it stands if you want to take on the government and are gettimng nowwhere in the british courts the only way to do it is to go to the european court, haven't looked at it but I bet that right is about to be removed.
It's not just about criminal cases.
It was ECJ ruling that meant, for instance, that part time workers could no longer be discriminated against in pension schemes sio all those councils that excluded them from their schemes because they worked less than 16 hours had to pay compensation.
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The biggest case of legalized thievery that I can remember! As these services and utilities were public owned, shouldn't we (the public) have received any monies raised in the selling of these public assets? Tories indeed!
Actually utilities like water supply, (name one privately built reservoir) telephone and electricity were always in public hands had thay not been many rural areas woukld still not hace basic electricy and telephone services council housing was council housing they were all assets privatised to the benefit if a few. left top private industry there woukld never have been any hydroelectric schemes or the like built as the returns were ling term.
To replace the Human Rights Act...............why ?
As it stands if you want to take on the government and are gettimng nowwhere in the british courts the only way to do it is to go to the european court, haven't looked at it but I bet that right is about to be removed.
It's not just about criminal cases.
It was ECJ ruling that meant, for instance, that part time workers could no longer be discriminated against in pension schemes sio all those councils that excluded them from their schemes because they worked less than 16 hours had to pay compensation.
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The biggest case of legalized thievery that I can remember! As these services and utilities were public owned, shouldn't we (the public) have received any monies raised in the selling of these public assets? Tories indeed!
Actually utilities like water supply, (name one privately built reservoir) telephone and electricity were always in public hands had thay not been many rural areas woukld still not hace basic electricy and telephone services council housing was council housing they were all assets privatised to the benefit if a few. left top private industry there woukld never have been any hydroelectric schemes or the like built as the returns were ling term.
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Any Bill of Rights should never be fast tracked, you just can't cobble a bill of rights together.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Fast tracked Brit Bill of Rights
What do you expect from this pathetic scheming government !!!
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Surely people have been building this one since 1688, it must be about reddy by now.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1487672 wrote: If I can't reed the text then it damn well doesn't exist. I do not wish to smell the sizzling sausage, I insist on a sight of what Gove aims to force-feed me.
spot;1487714 wrote: Surely people have been building this one since 1688, it must be about reddy by now.
Make yer mind up (I shall abuse the English language too......more than I normally do)
spot;1487714 wrote: Surely people have been building this one since 1688, it must be about reddy by now.
Make yer mind up (I shall abuse the English language too......more than I normally do)
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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LarsMac;1487708 wrote: Oh, but you did see a benefit. The upper income folks got a tax break from it. There you go. Say "Thank you".
Yeah, thanks.............For nothing. That's what many poorer folk get from the tories; nothing, and plenty of it!
Yeah, thanks.............For nothing. That's what many poorer folk get from the tories; nothing, and plenty of it!
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Bruv;1487715 wrote: Make yer mind up (I shall abuse the English language too......more than I normally do)
If you remember Ronnie Corbett exploding half way through his Four Candles sketch?
The decisions as to what should go into the text of a proposed Bill of Rights have been being made since 1688.
The proposed text of the bill hasn't yet been released.
They've had long enough to think, I want to see the proposal.
If you remember Ronnie Corbett exploding half way through his Four Candles sketch?
The decisions as to what should go into the text of a proposed Bill of Rights have been being made since 1688.
The proposed text of the bill hasn't yet been released.
They've had long enough to think, I want to see the proposal.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1487724 wrote: If you remember Ronnie Corbett exploding half way through his Four Candles sketch?
The decisions as to what should go into the text of a proposed Bill of Rights have been being made since 1688.
The proposed text of the bill hasn't yet been released.
They've had long enough to think, I want to see the proposal.
It's a secret....
The decisions as to what should go into the text of a proposed Bill of Rights have been being made since 1688.
The proposed text of the bill hasn't yet been released.
They've had long enough to think, I want to see the proposal.
It's a secret....
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You're the pedant, do your mean become exasperated rather than explode, and it wasn't halfway through, it was closer to toward the end.
Worth sharing with our American friends.
It was you that spoke about 'seeing the proposal' wasn't it ?
Worth sharing with our American friends.
It was you that spoke about 'seeing the proposal' wasn't it ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth