Okey Dokey, although not a US citizen I will have a stab at it.
First off Condi is NOT stupid, her academic records and subsequent achievments prove that. However where she might not be as bright certainly as Mr Powell is in wider world politics. her background is I believe in advising on Russian policies, well the cold war ended th need for that years ago.
It all depends on whether you think Mr Bush should get advice on the world situation or on what is best purely for the USA.
I think Colin Powell is a sad loss to the Bush administration, not only was he very intelligent his military service made him realise that the way of force was not always the right way.
I do not believe that Condi will ever speak out against Bush's point of view she is his creation, let us not forget the "as I was telling my husband" slip that day, Freudian or what.
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Bothwell wrote: Okey Dokey, although not a US citizen I will have a stab at it.
First off Condi is NOT stupid, her academic records and subsequent achievments prove that. However where she might not be as bright certainly as Mr Powell is in wider world politics. her background is I believe in advising on Russian policies, well the cold war ended th need for that years ago.
It all depends on whether you think Mr Bush should get advice on the world situation or on what is best purely for the USA.
I think Colin Powell is a sad loss to the Bush administration, not only was he very intelligent his military service made him realise that the way of force was not always the right way.
I do not believe that Condi will ever speak out against Bush's point of view she is his creation, let us not forget the "as I was telling my husband" slip that day, Freudian or what.
With all due respect Bothwell I for one am getting tired of Europeans telling us in the US that we are only concerned with ourselves as you implied in your 2nd paragraph. When recent history tells us that the only world concern Europeans show is with their lips ( Oil for food scandle, lack of action in the Sudan, Bosnia etc.)
Bush and his staff are our leaders not yours , we pay them to do what is best for us. Ms. Rice is not my elected leader she is his employee with one voice among many.
Now I hope we do no harm in the world but given the history of Europe I say you have earned little right to critize the US for taking a selfish view.
Indeed if we here in the US do only what is good for ourselves with no reguard for others in the world we would just be following the European model.
To sarasara forgive my diversion from your topic but as you can tell bothwell struck a much frayed nerve. Again my apologises for straying off topic.
First off Condi is NOT stupid, her academic records and subsequent achievments prove that. However where she might not be as bright certainly as Mr Powell is in wider world politics. her background is I believe in advising on Russian policies, well the cold war ended th need for that years ago.
It all depends on whether you think Mr Bush should get advice on the world situation or on what is best purely for the USA.
I think Colin Powell is a sad loss to the Bush administration, not only was he very intelligent his military service made him realise that the way of force was not always the right way.
I do not believe that Condi will ever speak out against Bush's point of view she is his creation, let us not forget the "as I was telling my husband" slip that day, Freudian or what.
With all due respect Bothwell I for one am getting tired of Europeans telling us in the US that we are only concerned with ourselves as you implied in your 2nd paragraph. When recent history tells us that the only world concern Europeans show is with their lips ( Oil for food scandle, lack of action in the Sudan, Bosnia etc.)
Bush and his staff are our leaders not yours , we pay them to do what is best for us. Ms. Rice is not my elected leader she is his employee with one voice among many.
Now I hope we do no harm in the world but given the history of Europe I say you have earned little right to critize the US for taking a selfish view.
Indeed if we here in the US do only what is good for ourselves with no reguard for others in the world we would just be following the European model.
To sarasara forgive my diversion from your topic but as you can tell bothwell struck a much frayed nerve. Again my apologises for straying off topic.
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posted by jahamaa
With all due respect Bothwell I for one am getting tired of Europeans telling us in the US that we are only concerned with ourselves as you implied in your 2nd paragraph. When recent history tells us that the only world concern Europeans show is with their lips ( Oil for food scandle, lack of action in the Sudan, Bosnia etc.)
Bush and his staff are our leaders not yours , we pay them to do what is best for us. Ms. Rice is not my elected leader she is his employee with one voice among many.
Now I hope we do no harm in the world but given the history of Europe I say you have earned little right to critize the US for taking a selfish view.
If you care to look you will find many europeans are as equally critical of their own governments policy as they are of any american one. We don't regard this as unpatriotic as we have a right to say what we like. Indeed taking the piss out of politicians is a national sport.
The question is of course is what is good for america good for europe? or in deed the rest of the world. If not what should we do about it? Also who is deciding what is good for america and do they have the interests of ordinary americans at heart or just their own which they think are one and the same?
Posted by sarasara
The haters of the US on the liberal-left and among the Spanish neo-fascist Socialists give support and comfort to the terrorists. They talk about peace while they support insurgency and terrorism in Iraq.
from the oxford english dictionary
neo-fascist // n. & adj.
n. a person belonging to an organization based on the Italian Fascist movement of the early 20th century.
adj. of or relating to neo-fascists or neo-fascism.
neo-fascism n.
Spain kicked out the fascists and brought back a constitutional monarchy, had you forgotten?
Not being spanish, I of course don't know for sure but I suspect that having been engaged in a war with terrorists for many years they spanish people probably don't appreciate being accused of cowardice and lectured by the US when they make it clear to their government that the war in Iraq did not have their support.
Sarasara if you are british as you claim to be I would be more worried about the neo-fascist socialists currently in power in the UK, you know the ones that think holding people without trial is acceptable in a free society despite being told by the law lords that it is illegal. In case you are not aware one of the reasons for having an seperate judiciary is to act as a check on the government, which is no doubt one of the reasons TB would like a politically appointed supreme court as in america. Not to mention taking the opportunity to emasculate the independence of the BBC for daring to point out he was lying.
Interestingly enough the americans were highly critical when we introduced internment for terrorists at the height of the IRA bombing campaigns.
If living in a liberal social democracy bothers you that much why don't you emigrate?
social democracy n.
a socialist system achieved by democratic means.
social democrat n.
With all due respect Bothwell I for one am getting tired of Europeans telling us in the US that we are only concerned with ourselves as you implied in your 2nd paragraph. When recent history tells us that the only world concern Europeans show is with their lips ( Oil for food scandle, lack of action in the Sudan, Bosnia etc.)
Bush and his staff are our leaders not yours , we pay them to do what is best for us. Ms. Rice is not my elected leader she is his employee with one voice among many.
Now I hope we do no harm in the world but given the history of Europe I say you have earned little right to critize the US for taking a selfish view.
If you care to look you will find many europeans are as equally critical of their own governments policy as they are of any american one. We don't regard this as unpatriotic as we have a right to say what we like. Indeed taking the piss out of politicians is a national sport.
The question is of course is what is good for america good for europe? or in deed the rest of the world. If not what should we do about it? Also who is deciding what is good for america and do they have the interests of ordinary americans at heart or just their own which they think are one and the same?
Posted by sarasara
The haters of the US on the liberal-left and among the Spanish neo-fascist Socialists give support and comfort to the terrorists. They talk about peace while they support insurgency and terrorism in Iraq.
from the oxford english dictionary
neo-fascist // n. & adj.
n. a person belonging to an organization based on the Italian Fascist movement of the early 20th century.
adj. of or relating to neo-fascists or neo-fascism.
neo-fascism n.
Spain kicked out the fascists and brought back a constitutional monarchy, had you forgotten?
Not being spanish, I of course don't know for sure but I suspect that having been engaged in a war with terrorists for many years they spanish people probably don't appreciate being accused of cowardice and lectured by the US when they make it clear to their government that the war in Iraq did not have their support.
Sarasara if you are british as you claim to be I would be more worried about the neo-fascist socialists currently in power in the UK, you know the ones that think holding people without trial is acceptable in a free society despite being told by the law lords that it is illegal. In case you are not aware one of the reasons for having an seperate judiciary is to act as a check on the government, which is no doubt one of the reasons TB would like a politically appointed supreme court as in america. Not to mention taking the opportunity to emasculate the independence of the BBC for daring to point out he was lying.
Interestingly enough the americans were highly critical when we introduced internment for terrorists at the height of the IRA bombing campaigns.
If living in a liberal social democracy bothers you that much why don't you emigrate?
social democracy n.
a socialist system achieved by democratic means.
social democrat n.
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So, was the question was whether or not there would be all the “concern†from the left if Condi was a white, liberal, female? I don’t think so. Madam Alittlebright was considered a hero to the left. Condi is better educated, much more able to articulate her administration's position and highly qualified by her experience. Having said that, I would prefer Senator Joe Lieberman but his nomination alone would be the bloodiest political battle we’ve ever seen.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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posted by sarasara
How do you know? I never jeard him say anything of the sort.
It's one of the items on tb's agenda, along with reform of the lords.
posted by sarasara
Thats an allegation I would like to see some proof of. It was later proved by the way that it was the BBC who was lying and NOT the Prime Minister.
Have you been out the country?
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/
http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3893105.stm
Knock yourself out. Never let it be said that TB would let the facts get in the way of changing the wording. If the wording hadn;t been changed it;'s highly doubtful there would have been a vote in favour of going to war.
Condoleeza Rice, is she a serious candidate for president? What about colin Powell, you think he would run?
How do you know? I never jeard him say anything of the sort.
It's one of the items on tb's agenda, along with reform of the lords.
posted by sarasara
Thats an allegation I would like to see some proof of. It was later proved by the way that it was the BBC who was lying and NOT the Prime Minister.
Have you been out the country?
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/
http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3893105.stm
Knock yourself out. Never let it be said that TB would let the facts get in the way of changing the wording. If the wording hadn;t been changed it;'s highly doubtful there would have been a vote in favour of going to war.
Condoleeza Rice, is she a serious candidate for president? What about colin Powell, you think he would run?
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posted by sarasara
The Hutton Inquiry and many other Inquiries in the US found for President Bush and Tony Blair.
The Hutton Inquiry ruled against the BBCs lies resulting in the fall of their top management
You have been out of the country haven't you. The hutton inquiry was not about George Bush. Only a complete idiot would think it cleared Tony Blair, what it did make clear was that the wording was changed to change the import of the intelligence. The BBC should have stood their ground as they had overwhelming support amongst the electorate who don't want to see our free press quashed by TB and his ilk. If TB gets his way we will end up with crap television like everybody else.
I suggest you read it properly. It was a whitewash. You really need to start being a little more sceptical. I think history will judge Tony Blair as one of the most destructive prime ministers we have had in this country. If we let him away with it he will change the nature of our democracy and parliamentary system, although I think you could put a good case for the process having started under Harold Wislon. He is the prime minister. supposedly first amongst equals with the cabinet acting as a check on his power, more and more he acts like a president which he is not. Parliament is supposed to act as a check on the cabinet. We are better off when no party has an overwhelming majority. The like the Kings new clothes no one in the labour party wants toshout rubbish, even the unions hold back and keep funding them.
The only one in the cabinet that had any gumption was Robin Cook and he resigned on a point of principle somethimh which TB would never do as I doubt he understands the concept.
The sad thing is the tories were so emasculated by Maggie Thatcher that they are no longer a credible opposition party. We are in deep trouble.
As to the next president what about the current vice president does he not get a shot? Must admit I had never heard of condoleeza Rice until recently.
The Hutton Inquiry and many other Inquiries in the US found for President Bush and Tony Blair.
The Hutton Inquiry ruled against the BBCs lies resulting in the fall of their top management
You have been out of the country haven't you. The hutton inquiry was not about George Bush. Only a complete idiot would think it cleared Tony Blair, what it did make clear was that the wording was changed to change the import of the intelligence. The BBC should have stood their ground as they had overwhelming support amongst the electorate who don't want to see our free press quashed by TB and his ilk. If TB gets his way we will end up with crap television like everybody else.
I suggest you read it properly. It was a whitewash. You really need to start being a little more sceptical. I think history will judge Tony Blair as one of the most destructive prime ministers we have had in this country. If we let him away with it he will change the nature of our democracy and parliamentary system, although I think you could put a good case for the process having started under Harold Wislon. He is the prime minister. supposedly first amongst equals with the cabinet acting as a check on his power, more and more he acts like a president which he is not. Parliament is supposed to act as a check on the cabinet. We are better off when no party has an overwhelming majority. The like the Kings new clothes no one in the labour party wants toshout rubbish, even the unions hold back and keep funding them.
The only one in the cabinet that had any gumption was Robin Cook and he resigned on a point of principle somethimh which TB would never do as I doubt he understands the concept.
The sad thing is the tories were so emasculated by Maggie Thatcher that they are no longer a credible opposition party. We are in deep trouble.
As to the next president what about the current vice president does he not get a shot? Must admit I had never heard of condoleeza Rice until recently.