A "cult of death and destruction" is seducing "lost young people", the Prince of Wales has told Army officer cadets at a passing-out parade.
Prince Charles warns Sandhurst cadets of 'death cult' - BBC News
A rather impolite observation, given the occasion and where he said it, but he does have a point.
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Why shouldn't he say the truth ? I'm not sure why you feel that he was being impolite or inappropriate, perhaps you could explain ?
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Someone else have a try, please? Today's a Baking Day.
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Bit ironic considering we are commenorating the start of ww1 at the moment.
cult of death and destruction
blind patriotism - my country right or wrong. Don't mention "stop the war" same old same old. Religion and patriotism has always been a convenient cocktail to give the masses.
cult of death and destruction
blind patriotism - my country right or wrong. Don't mention "stop the war" same old same old. Religion and patriotism has always been a convenient cocktail to give the masses.
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G#Gill;1490408 wrote: Why shouldn't he say the truth ? I'm not sure why you feel that he was being impolite or inappropriate, perhaps you could explain ?
I'm sure he was saying the truth but given that he was at an establishment where we train young men in techniques of "death and destruction" and that the army recruitment campaigns specifically target "lost young men" his comments could equally apply to the people he was talking to as to the groups they assumed he was referring to.
I'm sure he was saying the truth but given that he was at an establishment where we train young men in techniques of "death and destruction" and that the army recruitment campaigns specifically target "lost young men" his comments could equally apply to the people he was talking to as to the groups they assumed he was referring to.
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I would also question about the context of things. I don't trust how the media report "Quotes".
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Any one want to try to negotiate with ISIL?
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spot;1490412 wrote: Someone else have a try, please? Today's a Baking Day.
coward
coward
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Bryn Mawr;1490440 wrote: I'm sure he was saying the truth but given that he was at an establishment where we train young men in techniques of "death and destruction" and that the army recruitment campaigns specifically target "lost young men" his comments could equally apply to the people he was talking to as to the groups they assumed he was referring to.
I find your Ivory Tower attitude personally offensive and ignorant.
Mostly because of your dismissive attitude.
I find your Ivory Tower attitude personally offensive and ignorant.
Mostly because of your dismissive attitude.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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"Personally offensive" ?
You are having a laugh aren't you ?
You are having a laugh aren't you ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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tude dog;1491245 wrote: I find your Ivory Tower attitude personally offensive and ignorant.
Mostly because of your dismissive attitude.
Let me try to clarify matters. To anyone with a rational view of human behavior, the most offensive concept and disgusting word in the language is "Warrior". The notion that anything "honorable" is entailed in volunteering to join any of the current Western armed forces is laughable, and for good measure the appellation "service" is nauseating. This is not a service mentality, this is more generally seen as "getting some in", or killing passers-by, while avoiding risk and prosecution.
Mostly because of your dismissive attitude.
Let me try to clarify matters. To anyone with a rational view of human behavior, the most offensive concept and disgusting word in the language is "Warrior". The notion that anything "honorable" is entailed in volunteering to join any of the current Western armed forces is laughable, and for good measure the appellation "service" is nauseating. This is not a service mentality, this is more generally seen as "getting some in", or killing passers-by, while avoiding risk and prosecution.
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tude dog;1491245 wrote: I find your Ivory Tower attitude personally offensive and ignorant.
Mostly because of your dismissive attitude.
*My* attitude?
Mostly because of your dismissive attitude.
*My* attitude?
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He's disparaging our future monarch, I suspect.
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spot;1491257 wrote: He's disparaging our future monarch, I suspect.
"There is only one way to settle this"......................as Harry Hill might say.
"There is only one way to settle this"......................as Harry Hill might say.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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How would negotiating with Stalin, Hitler , Pol Pot, have turned out.
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Ted;1491296 wrote: How would negotiating with Stalin, Hitler , Pol Pot, have turned out.Just as it did, Ted.
The armed forces facing the Third Reich were conscripts, and a smaller number of volunteers who had chosen on grounds of solidarity to serve alongside those forced conscripts. The responsibility for their being engaged in warfare, or being prepared for warfare, was absolutely not theirs. That responsibility lay full-square on the politicians who had ordered the conscription and directed the warfare.
The armed forces facing the Third Reich were, for the most part, under the political direction of Stalin. He had created a Soviet conscript armed force of juggernaut proportions with a scale of heavy industry capable of defeating the Third Reich, and when the appropriate time came that's what he used it for. Politicians in the Western world have too rarely expressed appreciation for the foresight and determination of Stalin and his colleagues in permanently blocking the aspirations of 1930s German expansionism. The modern world owes a great debt to those Soviet leaders of the time.
As for Pol Pot, as memory serves it was the communist leadership in Vietnam which chose to bring the criminal Cambodian genocide, under the scandalous Khmer Rouge, to an end. As in the case of the Soviet Union under Stalin, the Vietnamese did it with a conscript army which had no individual choice in donning uniform. Today's Cambodians owe a debt of gratitude to the 1970s political leaders of independent Vietnam for that humanitarian intervention.
Have I dealt with your three instances?
The last thirty years - is that a fair period of the recent past to examine? - has seen case after case of armed forces, or paid irregular armed "freedom fighter" insurgents, being deployed by the Western powers to destabilize non-aligned foreign states, and those armed forces and paid irregular armed insurgents have been volunteers. Nobody in today's Western armed forces can rationally hoodwink themselves about what they will be ordered to do once they volunteer, they have innumerable and continuing instances of expansionist asymmetric deployment which have predominantly resulted in utter catastrophe for local populations.
The responsibility for this continuing displacement and slaughter lies primarily with the political leadership which ordered the deployments, of course, but it is now shared by those who volunteer to fight. The amoral people who fight on behalf of these amoral Western leaders could, had they chosen, have refused to volunteer. They should, on moral grounds and despite the financial and recreational inducements offered, have refused to volunteer. The lame self-deluding propagandist excuses of patriotism, service, honour, warrior tradition or camaraderie stand in contrast to the terrible outcome for the millions of unarmed non-combatant civilian dead and displaced people they have effected.
As the Prince of Wales so movingly expressed it when addressing Army officer cadets at Sandhurst last month, a "cult of death and destruction" is seducing "lost young people".
The armed forces facing the Third Reich were conscripts, and a smaller number of volunteers who had chosen on grounds of solidarity to serve alongside those forced conscripts. The responsibility for their being engaged in warfare, or being prepared for warfare, was absolutely not theirs. That responsibility lay full-square on the politicians who had ordered the conscription and directed the warfare.
The armed forces facing the Third Reich were, for the most part, under the political direction of Stalin. He had created a Soviet conscript armed force of juggernaut proportions with a scale of heavy industry capable of defeating the Third Reich, and when the appropriate time came that's what he used it for. Politicians in the Western world have too rarely expressed appreciation for the foresight and determination of Stalin and his colleagues in permanently blocking the aspirations of 1930s German expansionism. The modern world owes a great debt to those Soviet leaders of the time.
As for Pol Pot, as memory serves it was the communist leadership in Vietnam which chose to bring the criminal Cambodian genocide, under the scandalous Khmer Rouge, to an end. As in the case of the Soviet Union under Stalin, the Vietnamese did it with a conscript army which had no individual choice in donning uniform. Today's Cambodians owe a debt of gratitude to the 1970s political leaders of independent Vietnam for that humanitarian intervention.
Have I dealt with your three instances?
The last thirty years - is that a fair period of the recent past to examine? - has seen case after case of armed forces, or paid irregular armed "freedom fighter" insurgents, being deployed by the Western powers to destabilize non-aligned foreign states, and those armed forces and paid irregular armed insurgents have been volunteers. Nobody in today's Western armed forces can rationally hoodwink themselves about what they will be ordered to do once they volunteer, they have innumerable and continuing instances of expansionist asymmetric deployment which have predominantly resulted in utter catastrophe for local populations.
The responsibility for this continuing displacement and slaughter lies primarily with the political leadership which ordered the deployments, of course, but it is now shared by those who volunteer to fight. The amoral people who fight on behalf of these amoral Western leaders could, had they chosen, have refused to volunteer. They should, on moral grounds and despite the financial and recreational inducements offered, have refused to volunteer. The lame self-deluding propagandist excuses of patriotism, service, honour, warrior tradition or camaraderie stand in contrast to the terrible outcome for the millions of unarmed non-combatant civilian dead and displaced people they have effected.
As the Prince of Wales so movingly expressed it when addressing Army officer cadets at Sandhurst last month, a "cult of death and destruction" is seducing "lost young people".
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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sTo start with Stalin is responsible for the deaths of some 20 million people. Should we give him credit for the mayhem and destruction of innocent people? Should we praise Hitler for the 5 million+folks that he is responsible for.? What should be the response of freedom loving countries to evil and tyranny. What should our response have been to the Taliban or ISIL? Perhaps we should just capitulate? Should we praise Assad for his use of chemical weapons? I personally am offended by the folks who com plain about war. If we lived in a world where all folks were respected there would be no conflict. However we have had the Neros, the Stalins, the pol pots, the Gaddafies of the world. So lets here some positives on how to resolve the issues of tyranny and insane leaders in some countries. Yes we do not need nuclear weapons but then there was a point when the Russians were close to an preemptive strike on the US Yes bitch and complain but get real or should we capitulate and come what may even it is the Saddams of the world. What should our response to these evils be?
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Perhaps there are those who would love to live under dictatorship and tyranny. I'm not one of them.