Very delicious

[macoooo]

There are many benefits in the fig fruit that were mentioned in the Glorious Quran, and rather Allah, the Almighty took an oath by it. The most important of which is that fig is very rich in minerals. It is also very useful in the prevention of cancer.

It also acts as tonic for the cells; it delays the aging process and contains a substance excreted by the brain which is very vital material and necessary for the function of the heart, brain and organs of the body. It is necessary to take few pieces of figs after the age of 35 to supply the body with this item that is necessary for its vitality. Some research also confirms that the leaves of the cactus benefit diabetic patients.

Does not this fruit deserve to be taken oath with by Allah, the Almighty and even a special Sura; chapter in the Quran to be named after it. Allah stated in Glorious Quran, Al-Tin 95:1-4, ?By the Fig and the Olive, And the Mount of Sinai, And this City of security,- We have indeed created man in the best of moulds?.

[G#Gill]

You say nothing about yourself so I will not get involved at all with you or your videos. I have watched them and suspect you are trying to convert readers to be muslims. Sorry I am not interested. I find that religions seem to be full of trouble, so I keep clear. Perhaps Forum Garden is not the site for you. You do not even say which country you are in at the moment !

[macoooo]

G#Gill;1491806 wrote: You say nothing about yourself so I will not get involved at all with you or your videos. I have watched them and suspect you are trying to convert readers to be muslims. Sorry I am not interested. I find that religions seem to be full of trouble, so I keep clear. Perhaps Forum Garden is not the site for you. You do not even say which country you are in at the moment !




Thank you to participate in this topic

On the contrary

Islam is not compulsory

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. Freedom of religion is ordained in the Quran itself:

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. (Quran 2:256)

reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.



These links are very beautiful

Death will not wait any person

I find the results of a quick and fruitful love in Islam

Convert to Islam in growing

[macoooo]

Thank you to participate in this topic

On the contrary

Islam is not compulsory

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. Freedom of religion is ordained in the Quran itself:

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. (Quran 2:256)

reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.



These links are very beautiful

Death will not wait any person

I find the results of a quick and fruitful love in Islam

Convert to Islam in growing

[LarsMac]

Great. Yet another YouTube guru.

[Bruv]

LarsMac;1491818 wrote: Great. Yet another YouTube guru.

[gmc]

I've read your book maybe you should.

[AnneBoleyn]

At least macoooo answered Gill, that's a hopeful sign, I guess. :-3

[spot]

I fear I have not ever tasted a fig. I'm unlikely to give it a go at this late stage. I've played with the occasional pomegranate, if that helps.

I hope you're well battened down for all this snow, Anne.

[G#Gill]

AnneBoleyn;1491828 wrote: At least macoooo answered Gill, that's a hopeful sign, I guess. :-3


Like I said, religions have brought so much trouble in the world. I rather prefer living without them and just abiding by the simple "Do as you would be done by" saying. Seems it is a far better way. Perhaps this anonymous preacher from nowhere land is attempting to convert people to Islam ? Don't think he'll get many takers, do you?

[G#Gill]

spot;1491830 wrote: I fear I have not ever tasted a fig. I'm unlikely to give it a go at this late stage. I've played with the occasional pomegranate, if that helps.

I hope you're well battened down for all this snow, Anne.


I quite like figs, but would advise not to eat too many, as they are quite laxative ! Ref; California syrup of figs ! Actually I prefer dates and I have to be strict with myself otherwise I could well consume a box of dates ! I used to eat pomegranates when I was at primary school - we'd use a pin to pick out the 'seeds' to eat them. I haven't eaten a pomegranate since then ! Gawd that's at least half a century ago !!!! LOL

[macoooo]

The Qur'an is a clear miracle which need not be introduced. It invites others to itself, demands the rejecters to challenge it while it defeats them, condemns them, and it always stands victorious. That is why it, after passing centuries, viz., since the departure of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) up to the present, has been continuing its invitation the same as it did during his lifetime (p.b.u.h). It is both religion and miracle; law, and the document of the law.

The Holy Qur'an, Global and Eternal

The reputation of the Holy Qur'an cleft the bonds of time and distance and influenced beyond them. The miracles of the prophets before the Prophet of Islam (p.b.u.h.), and even his own miracles save the Qur'an, happened in a special period of time, at a definite place and for a specific group of people. For example : the utterances of the holy little child of Virgin Mary, and raising the dead by Jesus (a.s.) were done at some

definite times and places before the eyes of some particular people. And we know that regarding the things that depend on time and place, the farther we move away from them correlatively the weaker they become. This is one of the properties of affairs related to time.



But, the Holy Qur'an does not depend on time and place. Its brilliance and authority that illuminated the darkness of Arabia fourteen centuries ago continues unwaveringly to shine with its original splendor. Besides that, the passing of time, the advancement of science and the development of information have made it possible for us to understand it and take its

advantages even more than the nations of former ages did. It is evident that what time and place cannot influence will continue to be everywhere in the world for eternity. It is also clear that a world-wide everlasting religion should have a world-wide everlasting document of legitimacy in its possession.

Not only with science. It is a book of history, philosophy, laws and many more. An unique book to guide the humanity.

Then we can discuss the Holy Qur'an :

from the point of modern science;

and the scientific explorations;

and the rotation of the Earth;

and reproduction in the plant kingdom;

and general reproduction in all the particles of the world;

and general gravity;

and the surrendering of the Sun and the Moon;

and the secrets of the creation of mountains;

and the advent of the world;

and the existence of life on other planets;

and the winds, the pollinator of plants;

and the question of the roundness of the Earth; (2)

And many other scientific facts and knowledge about the world can be found in the Holy Qur'an, too.



Why

Increase the numbers of adherents of Islam

Of not less



Christians Scientists

And players and famous of Hollywood stars

The world's rich

And Yusuf Estes



Sister's Wife of Tony Blair

converted to Islam?

Kaka (Brazil) - Ribeirah (France)



liam nison Log daughter of US President Bush in Islam

Lawyers -Engineers- sued - an officer of the police and the army - the general public



-So when he discovers that the real Holy Qur'an

And discover the greatness and mercy of Islam

Makes sure that the attempts to distort Islam, a liar and deceiver



see here















\





War in Iraq

see here

[FourPart]

macoooo;1491814 wrote: Thank you to participate in this topic

On the contrary

Islam is not compulsory

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. Freedom of religion is ordained in the Quran itself:

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. (Quran 2:256)

reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.



These links are very beautiful

Death will not wait any person

I find the results of a quick and fruitful love in Islam

Convert to Islam in growing






Apostasy.

The Punishment for Apostasy from Islam

https://islamqa.info/en/20327

Seems pretty compulsory to me, with the Death Sentence being the penalty. Still - I suppose there is the choice. Remain 'faithful' to Islam - or die.

[Snowfire]

Confused at the video of the speaker denouncing Christianity for its adherents for "stroking" the buttocks of marble cherub statues in a church he visited. It's apparently degenerate to stroke an object that looks like a little girl.

I always thought cherubs were asexual.

The hundreds of years of touching or stroking of statues has nothing sexually perverse about it and entirely due to reverence surely.

[macoooo]

-- There is a difference between

You are a Muslim

And you did not embrace Islam until now

You are a Muslim means you need to apply all the laws of Sharia

Did not embrace Islam until now

You are you the freedom to choose

256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.



So



Thus it is clear to you is that the killing of the apostate holds order of God as commanded us to obey the Prophet peace be upon him said: {And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those of you}, The Messenger of Allah may Allah bless him and his family and him to kill the apostate also offer saying: "It is changes his religion, kill him. "

You may need this issue from you to the time of conviction, and to meditate upon, and perhaps you think the question that if a person follow the right and entered it and converted to this religion only right that Allaah has enjoined, then Allow him to leave easily at any time and utter words of kufr that come out of it , Atone Allah and His Messenger and his religion and his book, then do not occur deterrent punishment to him, how will that impact on him and the other entrants in the religion.

Do not you see that this makes the true religion to be followed like a store or shop where a person enters in and out whenever he wants whenever he wants and maybe encourage others to leave the right.

Then this is not a person did not know the right was not exercised in worship, but people knew, March and led worship, no punishment is greater than it deserves, but such a strong governance have not kept only for the person who has not prepared for his benefit because he knew the right and follow the religion, then left him and abandoned him, what the same worse than the same person.







The limits of allah

Application and implementation

Not for discussion



229) These are the limits ordained by Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allah, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.).



God is a judge and if he overlooked sin without requiring payment for it he would be guilty of condoning that sin.



These laws of allah on Earth

Example

See with me in the past



Moses, peace be upon him

Muslim

Governs

God's law

Punishable corrupt



So is the case

Guardian or ruler (real, not power-hungry)

Mandatory

To reform society



Example

Punishment for adultery

Mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel

Therefore

These limits of allah

But

Result of distortion

Deny the Jews and Christians



so





What happened to the Jews who worshiped the golden calf instead of God?

This answer to your question

[macoooo]

The Qur'an is a clear miracle which need not be introduced. It invites others to itself, demands the rejecters to challenge it while it defeats them, condemns them, and it always stands victorious. That is why it, after passing centuries, viz., since the departure of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) up to the present, has been continuing its invitation the same as it did during his lifetime (p.b.u.h). It is both religion and miracle; law, and the document of the law.

The Holy Qur'an, Global and Eternal

The reputation of the Holy Qur'an cleft the bonds of time and distance and influenced beyond them. The miracles of the prophets before the Prophet of Islam (p.b.u.h.), and even his own miracles save the Qur'an, happened in a special period of time, at a definite place and for a specific group of people. For example : the utterances of the holy little child of Virgin Mary, and raising the dead by Jesus (a.s.) were done at some

definite times and places before the eyes of some particular people. And we know that regarding the things that depend on time and place, the farther we move away from them correlatively the weaker they become. This is one of the properties of affairs related to time.



But, the Holy Qur'an does not depend on time and place. Its brilliance and authority that illuminated the darkness of Arabia fourteen centuries ago continues unwaveringly to shine with its original splendor. Besides that, the passing of time, the advancement of science and the development of information have made it possible for us to understand it and take its

advantages even more than the nations of former ages did. It is evident that what time and place cannot influence will continue to be everywhere in the world for eternity. It is also clear that a world-wide everlasting religion should have a world-wide everlasting document of legitimacy in its possession.

Not only with science. It is a book of history, philosophy, laws and many more. An unique book to guide the humanity.

Then we can discuss the Holy Qur'an :

from the point of modern science;

and the scientific explorations;

and the rotation of the Earth;

and reproduction in the plant kingdom;

and general reproduction in all the particles of the world;

and general gravity;

and the surrendering of the Sun and the Moon;

and the secrets of the creation of mountains;

and the advent of the world;

and the existence of life on other planets;

and the winds, the pollinator of plants;

and the question of the roundness of the Earth; (2)

And many other scientific facts and knowledge about the world can be found in the Holy Qur'an, too.



Why

Increase the numbers of adherents of Islam

Of not less



Christians Scientists

And players and famous of Hollywood stars

The world's rich

And Yusuf Estes



Sister's Wife of Tony Blair

converted to Islam?

Kaka (Brazil) - Ribeirah (France)



liam nison Log daughter of US President Bush in Islam

Lawyers -Engineers- sued - an officer of the police and the army - the general public



-So when he discovers that the real Holy Qur'an

And discover the greatness and mercy of Islam

Makes sure that the attempts to distort Islam, a liar and deceiver



see here















\





War in Iraq

see here

[Snowfire]

So macoooo are you here to converse and respond to comments or just to post links to youtube videos.

An introduction of yourself would have been polite

[LarsMac]

Give the guy a break. We have the pseudo Xtian YouTube king, talkin down in Islam all the time. macooo is just trying for equal time.

[FourPart]

But to deny the existence of the violence & inhumanity towards anyone who loses their faith as some sort of affirmation of the Religion of Islam as not being compulsory is contradictory. If Allah is all powerful, then why would he need to have Man to to his dirty work for him? Why would he simply not strike him down himself? If Allah is eternal, then why would he have to have someone killed immediately in his name instead of letting him wait for eternal damnation? What about the recent YouTube videos of the Christians being beheaded for not converting to Islam? These are just a few of the reasons why Islam is rapidly becoming more & more odious to us in the West. To those who are already of the faith, fine. However, once inside the trap, it's not so easy to be allowed out of it.

[Bruv]

spot;1491830 wrote: I fear I have not ever tasted a fig. I'm unlikely to give it a go at this late stage. I've played with the occasional pomegranate, if that helps.

I hope you're well battened down for all this snow, Anne.


Give yourself a treat, it's a fruit, fresh are nice, but like grapes,when dried the flavour concentrates, re-constituted by boiling in a little water and left to cool in the water, served and eaten with custard, one of my favourites.

Might turn you into a radical Muslim though.............don't eat too much.

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1491847 wrote: Give yourself a treat, it's a fruit, fresh are nice, but like grapes,when dried the flavour concentrates, re-constituted by boiling in a little water and left to cool in the water, served and eaten with custard, one of my favourites.

Might turn you into a radical Muslim though.............don't eat too much.


First time I actually tried figs was a year or so back when my cousin was giving me a tour of Napa and Sonoma grape regions.

We we having lunch at a place in Napa, and a rather large Fig dropped out of the tree, onto my plate. I figured it was a sign.

So I ate it.

Tasty, but I didn't like the textures very much.

[AnneBoleyn]

spot;1491830 wrote:

I hope you're well battened down for all this snow, Anne.


Yup, thanks, got all food supplies yesterday. I love tons of snow, but I don't think there will be as much as predicted. A couple of winters ago, I was playing making snow angels, & these sweet kids came rushing over, fearing I dropped dead or something. They were shocked at an old lady playing in the snow.

[AnneBoleyn]

G#Gill;1491831 wrote: Like I said, religions have brought so much trouble in the world. I rather prefer living without them and just abiding by the simple "Do as you would be done by" saying. Seems it is a far better way. Perhaps this anonymous preacher from nowhere land is attempting to convert people to Islam ? Don't think he'll get many takers, do you?


I agree with you, Gill. He will get as many takers as Pahu, I suppose.

[macoooo]

The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. The British historian Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the People of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox Christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)

This is not the only example of preference by the followers of the religions for Muslim rule over that of their own co-religionists. The Orthodox Christians of Byzantium openly expressed their preference for the Ottoman turban in Istanbul to the hats of the Catholic cardinals. Elisee Reclus, the French traveler of the nineteenth century, wrote that the Muslim Turks allowed all the followers of different religions to perform their religious duties and rituals, and that the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Sultan were more free to live their own lives than the Christians who lived in the lands under the rule of any rival Christian sect. (Nouvelle Geographie Universelle, Vol. IX) Popescu Ciocanel pays tribute to the Muslim Turks by stating that it was luck for the Romanian people that they lived under the government of the Turks rather than the domination of the Russians and Austrians. Otherwise, he points out, "no trace of the Romanian nation would have remained." (La Crise de L'Orient)

How did Muslims behave towards the people of the conquered lands?

The Muslim's attitude towards the people of the conquered lands is quite clear in the instructions given by the rightly-guided Caliphs may Allaah be pleased with them:

Always keep fear of God in your mind; remember that you cannot afford to do anything without His grace. Do not forget that Islam is a mission of peace and love. Keep the Noble Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) before you as a model of bravery and piety. Do not destroy fruit-trees nor fertile fields in your paths. Be just, and spare the feelings of the vanquished. Respect all religious persons who live in hermitages or convents and spare their edifices. Do not kill civilians. Do not outrage the chastity of women and the honor of the conquered. Do not harm old people and children. Do not accept any gifts from the civil population of any place. Do not billet your soldiers or officers in the houses of civilians. Do not forget to perform your daily prayers. Fear God. Remember that death will inevitably come to everyone of you some time or other, even if you are thousands of miles away from a battle field; therefore be always ready to face death. (Andrew Miller, Church History)

A historical episode which Balazuri, a famous Muslim historian, tells about how pleased the native people were with their Muslim conquerors is of great significance:

When Heraclius massed his troops against the Muslims, and the Muslims heard that they were coming to meet them, they refunded the inhabitants of Hims the tribute they had taken from them, saying: "We are too busy to support and protect you. Take care of yourselves." But the people of Hims replied: "We like your rule and justice far better than the state of oppression and tyranny in which we were. The army of Heraclius we shall indeed, with your help, repulse from the city." The Jews rose and said: "We swear by the Torah, no governor of Heraclius shall enter the city of Hims unless we are first vanquished and exhausted." Saying this, they closed the gates of the city and guarded them. The inhabitants of other cities - Christians and Jews- that had been capitulated did the same. When, by God's help, the unbelievers were defeated and Muslims won, they opened the gates of their cities, went out with the singers and players of music, and paid the tribute. (Futuh al-Buldan)

Islamic History of Europe

Islamic History Of Europe - BBC Documentary





Few in Europe today Realize how much they owe to Muslim Spain for that great dawn of enlightenment called the Renaissance. Many outstanding philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, astronomers and physicians from Andalusia are but obliterated memories for Europe, the forlorn buried in graveyards or oblivion.

When the Muslims ruled Europe - BBC Documentary

[Bruv]

AnneBoleyn;1491849 wrote: A couple of winters ago, I was playing making snow angels, & these sweet kids came rushing over, fearing I dropped dead or something. They were shocked at an old lady playing in the snow.


Go Annie Go

[Bruv]

LarsMac;1491848 wrote: First time I actually tried figs was a year or so back when my cousin was giving me a tour of Napa and Sonoma grape regions.

We we having lunch at a place in Napa, and a rather large Fig dropped out of the tree, onto my plate. I figured it was a sign.

So I ate it.

Tasty, but I didn't like the textures very much.


I have had fresh, and you never really know if the one you are eating is at it's best, so you have to try at least once or even twice more......just to make sure.

I do however much prefer the dried version.

[tude dog]

Bruv;1491853 wrote: Go Annie Go


Did not grow up in a snowy area.

It was a few years ago I saw kids doing the Snow Angel thing.

Never occurred to me to do that myself. Suppose it's an Angel thing.

[tude dog]

Bruv;1491854 wrote: I have had fresh, and you never really know if the one you are eating is at it's best, so you have to try at least once or even twice more......just to make sure.

I do however much prefer the dried version.


Long ago I lived in an apartment where the front steps happen to be just the right place to pick figs. Picked one which seemed should be ripe, ate it. It was great. Other than that, an occasional FIG NEWTON.

[Bryn Mawr]

macoooo;1491852 wrote: The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. The British historian Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the People of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox Christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)

This is not the only example of preference by the followers of the religions for Muslim rule over that of their own co-religionists. The Orthodox Christians of Byzantium openly expressed their preference for the Ottoman turban in Istanbul to the hats of the Catholic cardinals. Elisee Reclus, the French traveler of the nineteenth century, wrote that the Muslim Turks allowed all the followers of different religions to perform their religious duties and rituals, and that the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Sultan were more free to live their own lives than the Christians who lived in the lands under the rule of any rival Christian sect. (Nouvelle Geographie Universelle, Vol. IX) Popescu Ciocanel pays tribute to the Muslim Turks by stating that it was luck for the Romanian people that they lived under the government of the Turks rather than the domination of the Russians and Austrians. Otherwise, he points out, "no trace of the Romanian nation would have remained." (La Crise de L'Orient)

How did Muslims behave towards the people of the conquered lands?

The Muslim's attitude towards the people of the conquered lands is quite clear in the instructions given by the rightly-guided Caliphs may Allaah be pleased with them:




I fear you contradict yourself, tolerance is not spread by conquest.



Whilst I agree that the Moorish rule in Spain during the fifteenth century was one of the most tolerant episodes in history it was based on armed conquest and, more to the point, it does not appear to be matched by equal tolerance amongst the rulers of today's Islamic states.

[Bruv]

tude dog;1491856 wrote: Never occurred to me to do that myself. Suppose it's an Angel thing.


No its more a personality thing.

[tude dog]

macoooo;1491852 wrote:

Few in Europe today Realize how much they owe to Muslim Spain for that great dawn of enlightenment called the Renaissance. Many outstanding philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, astronomers and physicians from Andalusia are but obliterated memories for Europe, the forlorn buried in graveyards or oblivion.




I didn't forget.

Maimonides

A Berber dynasty, the Almohads, conquered Córdoba in 1148, and abolished the dhimma status (i.e., state protection of life and wealth) in some of their territories. The loss of this protected status threatened the Jewish and Christian communities with conversion to Islam, death, or exile.[20]


BTW, dhimma status at best equals second class.

Many Jews were forced to convert, but due to suspicion by the authorities of fake conversions, the new converts had to wear identifying clothing that set them apart and made them subject to public scrutiny.[22][23]


Maimonides's family, along with most other Jews, chose exile.


Often wondered if Maimonides genius would be recognized today if not for Muslim tolerance.

[gmc]

Posted by macoooo

The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. The British historian Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the People of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox Christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)




The notion of being "tolerated" by muslims is as repulsive as the notion that protestants and catholics will toleerate each other or inbdeed nowadays extend "toleration" to jews and those of other faiths. The sheer arrogance and condescension that non-believers are people whose existence and right to freedom and live life as they choose you (as a muslim, christian whater) have the right to dispose of beggars belief.

I don't tolerate religious people I accept that they have a right to believe and live as they choose but acceptance stops when they demand special rights to stop their faith being questioned or challenged or reserve the right to discriminate against people whose lifestyles they don't approve of or to mutilate children in the name of their religion or keep females as second class humans with no rights except those granted by a benificent religious authority. I don't need the blessing of some holy roller to be free or their tolerance it's my right. end of.

[macoooo]

[macoooo]

On the contrary,-

Reconstruction and find life in Islam

God says in the Holy Qur'an

(32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

(68) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty

(69) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated

(70) Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful

(71) And he who repents and does righteousness does indeed turn to Allah with [accepted] repentance

-Look at the Crusades

Killed millions of people, women and children without mercy

Under the name of Christ

Jesus is innocent of that

On the contrary,

Prophet Muhammad in the wars

Order the believers

Not killing women, children and non-burn destruction of houses and trees

[macoooo]

Someone told me



A question for you (sorry if I have asked before & forgotten your reply):



Some Islamophobes on this forum (and elsewhere) say Islam is suppressive towards women. Yet, it has been conclusively proven that 70% of all new converts to Islam both in the USA and in Europe are women. This would be indicative that it is not suppressive but highly solicitous of women.

What do you say to those critics who insist that Islam suppresses women in light of that fact?



If I read you correctly, you are saying that Islam provides spiritual comforts and dimensions that other religions/teachings do not. That it is more than religious teaching but includes lifestyle alteration and attitudes which is what appeals to women.

One things for sure, Islam's critics have no answer for why so many women convert to it despite all the allegations that it is a contrarian religion.

[macoooo]

Circumcision is prescribed for males.

Al-Bukhaari (6298) and Muslim (2370) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) circumcised himself when he was eighty years old, and he circumcised himself with an adze. "



An adze (qadoom) is a carpenter's tool; it was also said that al-Qadoom is a place is Syria.



Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

It is most likely that what is referred to in the hadeeth is the tool. Abu Ya'laa narrated that 'Ali ibn Rabaah said: "Ibraaheem was commanded to circumcise himself, so he circumcised himself with an adze and it was very painful for him. Then Allaah revealed to him saying," You rushed to do it before We told you what tool to use. "He said," O Lord, I did not want to delay obeying Your command. "



Ibn al-Qayyim said:



Circumcision was one of the things with which Allaah tested Ibraaheem, His Close Friend. He did them perfectly so Allaah made him a leader of mankind. It was narrated that he was the first one who was circumcised, as mentioned above. What it says in al-Saheeh is that Ibraaheem circumcised himself when he was eighty years old. After him, circumcision continued among the Messengers and their followers, even the Messiah. He was circumcised and the Christians affirm that, and do not deny that, as they also affirm that



German Postal Service decided to issue a postage stamp reminds Germans that Christ underwent circumcision two thousand years ago when he was eight days old



On January, eight days after the Holy Nativity of our Lord, we celebrate His Circumcision, one of the Feasts of the Lord, on which—in accordance with Hebrew tradition—He received the name "Jesus": "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the Child, His name was called Jesus, which was so named of the Angel before He was conceived in the womb" (St. Luke 2:21).

The stamp shows which celebrates two hundred anniversary of the German Bible Society on September 11 / September page of the New Testament describes how Christ underwent circumcision.





The stamp includes a quote from the Gospel of St. Luke stating "On the eighth day, when it's the time of circumcision, called the Christ child."

[gmc]

Circumcision is prescribed for males.

Al-Bukhaari (6298) and Muslim (2370) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) circumcised himself when he was eighty years old, and he circumcised himself with an adze. "




So some senile old fool took an adze and chopped a bit off his penis? Seriously that is someone you hold up as a role model? Maybe it was the effect of all the fairy stories he was collecting that drove him mad.

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Circumcision is nothing but genital mutilation. There is a big fuss about it when it's done to Women (also as part of Islam). In fact, the majority of the civilised world view FGM with abhorrence, but for some reason, when the same thing is done to a Male child, somehow it seems to be more socially acceptable. Fair enough, if they choose to get circumcised at an age at which they can decide that they wish to make that sacrifice to their God, then fair enough - it's their choice - not for someone to make the decision on their behalf.

As far as for the pratt in the video playing verses of the Qu'ran to people in the street - no-one would have been any the wiser if it has been just a load on absolutely nonsensical sounds. After all, that's all it is to the rest of us. You can read the latest Financial Times report to a baby, but if you read it in a certain melodic tone it will have a calming effect. For all anyone knows, the actual words being sung on that MP3 could just as easily have translated as something like "Death to all you infidels, for you are the sons and daughters of Satan and we shall surely rip your hearts from you bodies & place them on spike within our Mosque". Just what was that video really supposed to prove?

[macoooo]

The health benefits:

Dr. Muhammad ‘Ali al-Baar (a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in the UK and a consultant to the Islamic Medicine department of the King Fahd Centre for Medical Research in the King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah) says in his book al-Khitaan (Circumcision):

“Circumcision of newborn boys (i.e., within the first month of life) brings numerous health benefits, including:

1 – Protection against local infection in the penis, which may result from the presence of the foreskin, causing tightening of the foreskin, which may lead to retention of urine or infections of the glans (tip) of the penis – which require circumcision in order to treat these problems. In chronic cases, the child may be exposed to numerous diseases in the future, the most serious of which is cancer of the penis.

2 – Infections of the urethra. Many studies have proven that uncircumcised boys are more exposed to infection of the urethra. In some studies the rate was 39 times more among uncircumcised boys. In other studies the rate was ten times more. Other studies showed that 95% of children who suffered from infections of the urethra were uncircumcised, whereas the rate among circumcised children did not exceed 5%.

In children, infection of the urethra is serious in some cases. In the study by Wisewell on 88 children who suffered infections of the urethra, in 36 % of them, the same bacteria was found in the blood also. Three of them contracted meningitis, and two suffered renal failure. Two others died as a result of the spread of the micro-organisms throughout the body.

3 – Protection against cancer of the penis: the studies agree that cancer of the penis is almost non-existent among circumcised men, whereas the rate among uncircumcised men is not insignificant. In the US the rate of penile cancer among circumcised men is zero, whilst among uncircumcised men it is 2.2 in every 100,000 of the uncircumcised population. As most of the inhabitants of the US are circumcised, the cases of this cancer there are between 750 and 1000 per year. If the population were not circumcised, the number of cases would reach 3000. In countries where boys are not circumcised, such as China, Uganda and Puerto Rico, penile cancer represents between 12-22 % of all cancers found in men; this is a very high percentage.

4 – Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Researchers found that the STDs which are transmitted via sexual contact (usually because of fornication/adultery and homosexuality) spread more among those who are not circumcised, especially herpes, soft chancres, syphilis, candida, gonorrhea and genital warts.

There are numerous modern studies which confirm that circumcision reduces the possibility of contracting AIDS when compared to their uncircumcised counterparts. But that does not rule out the possibility of a circumcised man contracting AIDS as the result of sexual contact with a person who has AIDS. Circumcision is not a protection against it, and there is no real way of protecting oneself against the many sexually transmitted diseases apart from avoiding fornication/adultery, promiscuity, homosexuality and other repugnant practices. (From this we can see the wisdom of Islamic sharee’ah in forbidding fornication/adultery and homosexuality).

5 – Protection of wives against cervical cancer. Researchers have noted that the wives of circumcised men have less risk of getting cervical cancer than the wives of uncircumcised men.

شاب أمريكي يشرØ* دماغ ملØ*د الفيديو الذي أسلم بسبه الكثير شاهد قبل الØ*ذف

[Bruv]

Soap ?

[gmc]

Doesn't matter how you dress it up you are taking a baby and mutilating them for religious purposes. It's different if an adult makes the decision or it's a medical necessity. How sick do you have to be to allow and justify the mutlilation of children?

[macoooo]

"Circumcision of newborn boys (I.e., within the first month of life) brings numerous health benefits, including:

1 – Protection against local infection in the penis, which may result from the presence of the foreskin, causing tightening of the foreskin, which may lead to retention of urine or infections of the glans (tip) of the penis – which require circumcision in order to treat these problems. In chronic cases, the child may be exposed to numerous diseases in the future, the most serious of which is cancer of the penis.

2 – Infections of the urethra. Many studies have proven that uncircumcised boys are more exposed to infection of the urethra. In some studies the rate was 39 times more among uncircumcised boys. In other studies the rate was ten times more. Other studies showed that 95% of children who suffered from infections of the urethra were uncircumcised, whereas the rate among circumcised children did not exceed 5%.

In children, infection of the urethra is serious in some cases. In the study by Wisewell on 88 children who suffered infections of the urethra, in 36 % of them, the same bacteria was found in the blood also. Three of them contracted meningitis, and two suffered renal failure. Two others died as a result of the spread of the micro-organisms throughout the body.

see here

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I wouldn't expect any other sort of report from a doctor going by the name of Muhammed - hardly unbiased is it?

The waxy Smegma, generated by the foreskin, forms an anti-biotic film to prevent infection. Circumcision removes this.

I am partially circumcised due to a cycling accident years ago. Over the years the scar grew forming a phimosis making the procedure necessary. Even the surgeon didn't want to go for a complete circumcision as he was also opposed to it as a routine procedure, especially when not medically necessary. In my case if I didn't have the foreskin in the first place, the damage sustained would have been to the glans, and that doesn't bear thinking about.

Rather than a clearly prejudiced report, I would be more inclined to go for a balanced report. On the whole this seems to contradict your claims and, just as with Pahu, repeatedly pasting the same words over & over again doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you paste it.

Facts and Feelings About Circumcision: Statistics, Pros & Cons, and How to Care for a Circumcised Penis

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A New Study

The new study says that Male circumcision decrease the opportunity of the infection by the disease of immunodeficiency (AIDS). Officially United Nations agrees to facilitate Male circumcision in African countries. As UNAIDS declared that Male circumcision is an important step in fighting with AIDS. YOB LANG as an AIDS expert in the medical center of Amsterdam agrees on that opinion.

He says: (there is a lack of prevention from AIDS, every year there are new 4 million infections , we know that condom has an efficiency , but it is not used and is not available and we have to apply all available techniques to reduce the infection by AIDS . Male circumcision reduces the danger of transferring the disease from women to men by 50 to 60 % this is a high percentage.)

In Africa there are 25 million person infected by AIDS from total of 40 million in the entire world. Infection spreads in Africa through sexual relations between man and woman, World health organization and the UNAIDS are expecting reduction of the infection by AIDS because of Male circumcision during the next 20 years by 6 million infection.

There is no evidence that women are less exposed to the disease when they practice a sexual relation with a circumcised man, but there are continuous studies concerning that issue. There is a summarized study which illustrate that AIDS transition ratio from men to women will be deceased. But effect of that could be limited in comparison with the disease transition from women to men. We need to use women techniques which are unknown by men.

But it would be so dangerous if circumcised men decided not to use condom especially in African countries where Rape is common. Edification is so important. If circumcised men will not use condom, reversed results may occur as Circumcision don't offer full protection. And infection by AIDS may increase. United Nations confirms on the linking between the success of Circumcision and dissemination of sexual knowledge to fight AIDS.

In general circumcised men represent 30 % of men in the world. And that is due to religious reasons for Jews, Muslims and in some cases for protective reasons. According to UN, countries should facilitate Circumcision, as cost of the Circumcise operation is from 50 to 100 $ for each male. UN suggests making it free of charge.

Male circumcision is also useful for women

A new three studies confirmed that circumcision may protect men from AIDS and also protect women from a transferred virus through sexual relations which may cause cervical cancer. Published results in journal of Infectious Diseases in 16/12/2008 may increase the debate about the importance of men and new born male circumcision to protect their health and health of their wife in the future.

Dr Bertrand Auvert from Versailles University and his colleagues in South Africa had examined 1200 man who visits a clinic in south Africa and they found that less than 15% of the circumcised men and 22% of the non circumcised men had infected by virus ( HPV) which cause cervical cancer and Genital diseases . Researchers had reported '' these results explains why women who are in sexual relations with circumcised men have a low possibility to be infected by cervical cancer in comparison with other women."

A result of another research on some American men was less clear, but Carey Nelson from University of Oregon for science and health and his colleague said that they had found some new indications that circumcision may protect men. Circumcised men were 50% less possible to be exposed to virus (HPV) than non circumcised men.

In the third study, lee Warner from the American centers for struggling and prevention of diseases and his colleagues had examined afro American people in Baltimore and they found that only 10 % of circumcised men are exposed to be infected by that virus in comparison with 22 % of non circumcised men . Statistics says that 33 million person all over the world are infected by AIDS which is a disease with no treatment. There are 20 million American who are infected by virus (HPV). This virus is the most common virus to be spread through sexual relations and cause cervical cancer which kills every year more than 300000 women.

Source:

1. http://www.rnw.nl/hunaamsterdam/science/cur29030704

2. Business & Financial News, Breaking US & International News | Reuters.com

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First of all, the statistics seem to vary greatly, depending on who's doing the research. In reality they should be about the same. Secondly, the difference between Circ & Non-Circ seems nominal. Thirdly much is to do with everyday hygiene (using Circ instead of washing), Fourthly (and probably the most contraversial, as it may at first appear racist, even though it isn't intended as such, but that of being realistic), I suspect there is also a culture balance that comes into it.

There are many other factors that enter into the statistical research, and just who the selections are made of can affect the results greatly.

I would be interested to know if there are any statistics that reflect whether or not:

(a) more black men are circumcised than whites.

(b) black men are like the stereotype & on average, tend to have more sexual partners than white men.

(c) the results of the previous research takes (a) & (b) into account.

In the UK the vast majority of the male population are uncircumcised. In the UK AIDS is now very much in decline, and even then, primarily as a cause of the use of shared needles during the taking of drugs.

[macoooo]

The meaning of this speech is very dangerous

This confirms Christians away for the actions and words of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him

Al-Bukhaari (6298) and Muslim (2370) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) circumcised himself when he was eighty years old, and he circumcised himself with an adze. "



An adze (qadoom) is a carpenter's tool; it was also said that al-Qadoom is a place is Syria.



Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

It is most likely that what is referred to in the hadeeth is the tool. Abu Ya'laa narrated that 'Ali ibn Rabaah said: "Ibraaheem was commanded to circumcise himself, so he circumcised himself with an adze and it was very painful for him. Then Allaah revealed to him saying," You rushed to do it before We told you what tool to use. "He said," O Lord, I did not want to delay obeying Your command. "



Ibn al-Qayyim said:



Circumcision was one of the things with which Allaah tested Ibraaheem, His Close Friend. He did them perfectly so Allaah made him a leader of mankind. It was narrated that he was the first one who was circumcised, as mentioned above. What it says in al-Saheeh is that Ibraaheem circumcised himself when he was eighty years old. After him, circumcision continued among the Messengers and their followers, even the Messiah. He was circumcised and the Christians affirm that, and do not deny that, as they also affirm that



German Postal Service decided to issue a postage stamp reminds Germans that Christ underwent circumcision two thousand years ago when he was eight days old



On January, eight days after the Holy Nativity of our Lord, we celebrate His Circumcision, one of the Feasts of the Lord, on which—in accordance with Hebrew tradition—He received the name "Jesus": "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the Child, His name was called Jesus, which was so named of the Angel before He was conceived in the womb" (St. Luke 2:21).

The stamp shows which celebrates two hundred anniversary of the German Bible Society on September 11 / September page of the New Testament describes how Christ underwent circumcision.





The stamp includes a quote from the Gospel of St. Luke stating "On the eighth day, when it's the time of circumcision, called the Christ child."

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macoooo;1492172 wrote:

Personally I find the whole issue of infant circumcision on Religious grounds offensive, as it is child abuse, plain & simple, and using the ancient superstition of the ignorance that is Religion to justify it is sickening.

[QUOTE=macoooo;1492172]German Postal Service decided to issue a postage stamp reminds Germans that Christ underwent circumcision two thousand years ago when he was eight days old




And when was this, as they're taking a totally different viewpoint on it these days:

New Circumcision Ruling Requires Doctors to Discuss Procedure - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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It proved the importance of circumcision as I mentioned earlier

Both from the medical and scientific, religious

But personal fancies for humans deviate from the right path

[Bruv]

If God is so clever, why didn't he create man and woman without the bits men cut off?

Why the need to qualify the use of the word Allah ?

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It does nothing of the sort. You stated about how Germany was in favour of circumcision. I provided evidence of how they even provided legislation against it.

As for your YouTube links - they are merely Muslim propaganda videos which, by their very nature are bound to be biased in the extreme, so not even worthy of watching.