HM Treasury has given us the Government version of the EU's impact on the countries finances, can any of you clever people take a look and give me the lowdown, cos to me it is all gobbledegook as the BBC Newsman said in the 1 oclock news.
HM Treasury analysis
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I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1494718 wrote: HM Treasury has given us the Government version of the EU's impact on the countries finances, can any of you clever people take a look and give me the lowdown, cos to me it is all gobbledegook as the BBC Newsman said in the 1 oclock news.
HM Treasury analysis
The interesting one is the estimate of the contraction of the UK's GDP from loss of trade (7%) compared to the improvement in GDP due to no longer paying into the EU budget (0.4%) which represents a big hit on nett wealth and standard of living.
The figure of nett trade in goods worldwide (-12.5%) would also hit us quite badly and the more personal "cost per household" of £3,700 to £6,600 is likely to be the headline item.
HM Treasury analysis
The interesting one is the estimate of the contraction of the UK's GDP from loss of trade (7%) compared to the improvement in GDP due to no longer paying into the EU budget (0.4%) which represents a big hit on nett wealth and standard of living.
The figure of nett trade in goods worldwide (-12.5%) would also hit us quite badly and the more personal "cost per household" of £3,700 to £6,600 is likely to be the headline item.
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Yes Bryn but is it fact or even more propaganda ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1494734 wrote: Yes Bryn but is it fact or even more propaganda ?
A supposedly independent office and the two hundred odd pages are stuffed with academic references to show that the techniques they are using are valid and accepted methods so I see no reason to suggest otherwise - as acceptable as any government issued dossier is ever likely to be.
A supposedly independent office and the two hundred odd pages are stuffed with academic references to show that the techniques they are using are valid and accepted methods so I see no reason to suggest otherwise - as acceptable as any government issued dossier is ever likely to be.
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I know nothing about the content and how it was drawn up or by who, or whether the sources of the information are reliable or not.
Economics are not a science, more a point of view dependent on your political persuasion.
The Tories keep on about how well the economy is being run, but we are deeper in debt than ever before apparently.
Economics are not a science, more a point of view dependent on your political persuasion.
The Tories keep on about how well the economy is being run, but we are deeper in debt than ever before apparently.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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But in Government spin, even Black becomes White. Opposing sides can take identical pieces of data & turn them to mean totally opposite things.
All the information we're getting from all sides at the moment is based either on unfounded claims of what might happen or what will / won't happen, with no supporting evidence one way or the other. No-one seems to be putting demonstrable facts across.
Personally I'm for Out. I've seen the EU develop over the years from the Common Market, as was (which I was, and am still in favour of), to an all out centralised Government, with the U.K. simply being one of its dominions, imposing all its rules & regulations upon us, yet we always seem to be the only country who continues to abide by them when it doesn't suit us. All the other member states simply ignore them. There are other European countries who are not members of the EU that manage perfectly well without them. Just because we're not members of the EU won't mean that they won't want to sell their goods to us any more (and we import far more than we export). I can't see them putting a block on ease of Brits going abroad to spend their money on their holidays (as many of the Pro-EU campaigners are claiming). We will have control of our own borders - that doesn't mean a Berlin Wall scenario. It just means that we will no longer be bound to abide by Brussels' rules to allow all sundry in, whether we want them or not. As for EU being responsible for Workers Rights? Aren't they aware that the U.K. had the first Trade Union ever - the first of the few that began the idea of Workers Rights? Why do they imagine it wouldn't have happened anyway? If something is right, it usually gets done regardless of European legislation.
All the information we're getting from all sides at the moment is based either on unfounded claims of what might happen or what will / won't happen, with no supporting evidence one way or the other. No-one seems to be putting demonstrable facts across.
Personally I'm for Out. I've seen the EU develop over the years from the Common Market, as was (which I was, and am still in favour of), to an all out centralised Government, with the U.K. simply being one of its dominions, imposing all its rules & regulations upon us, yet we always seem to be the only country who continues to abide by them when it doesn't suit us. All the other member states simply ignore them. There are other European countries who are not members of the EU that manage perfectly well without them. Just because we're not members of the EU won't mean that they won't want to sell their goods to us any more (and we import far more than we export). I can't see them putting a block on ease of Brits going abroad to spend their money on their holidays (as many of the Pro-EU campaigners are claiming). We will have control of our own borders - that doesn't mean a Berlin Wall scenario. It just means that we will no longer be bound to abide by Brussels' rules to allow all sundry in, whether we want them or not. As for EU being responsible for Workers Rights? Aren't they aware that the U.K. had the first Trade Union ever - the first of the few that began the idea of Workers Rights? Why do they imagine it wouldn't have happened anyway? If something is right, it usually gets done regardless of European legislation.
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FourPart;1494786 wrote: But in Government spin, even Black becomes White. Opposing sides can take identical pieces of data & turn them to mean totally opposite things.
All the information we're getting from all sides at the moment is based either on unfounded claims of what might happen or what will / won't happen, with no supporting evidence one way or the other. No-one seems to be putting demonstrable facts across.
Personally I'm for Out. I've seen the EU develop over the years from the Common Market, as was (which I was, and am still in favour of), to an all out centralised Government, with the U.K. simply being one of its dominions, imposing all its rules & regulations upon us, yet we always seem to be the only country who continues to abide by them when it doesn't suit us. All the other member states simply ignore them. There are other European countries who are not members of the EU that manage perfectly well without them. Just because we're not members of the EU won't mean that they won't want to sell their goods to us any more (and we import far more than we export). I can't see them putting a block on ease of Brits going abroad to spend their money on their holidays (as many of the Pro-EU campaigners are claiming). We will have control of our own borders - that doesn't mean a Berlin Wall scenario. It just means that we will no longer be bound to abide by Brussels' rules to allow all sundry in, whether we want them or not. As for EU being responsible for Workers Rights? Aren't they aware that the U.K. had the first Trade Union ever - the first of the few that began the idea of Workers Rights? Why do they imagine it wouldn't have happened anyway? If something is right, it usually gets done regardless of European legislation.
We have control of our own borders now for people originating outside of the EU and they make up by far the largest percentage of the immigration seen as problematic.
The EU will obviously still try to sell to us but there *will* be barriers to our selling to them (there are for all non-EU countries selling into the EU) and, given that 44% of our exports go to the EU that *will* hurt us for all the out campaign poo-poo the idea.
The UK does not have a human rights bill and successive UK governments have strongly resisted the idea of introducing one.
All the information we're getting from all sides at the moment is based either on unfounded claims of what might happen or what will / won't happen, with no supporting evidence one way or the other. No-one seems to be putting demonstrable facts across.
Personally I'm for Out. I've seen the EU develop over the years from the Common Market, as was (which I was, and am still in favour of), to an all out centralised Government, with the U.K. simply being one of its dominions, imposing all its rules & regulations upon us, yet we always seem to be the only country who continues to abide by them when it doesn't suit us. All the other member states simply ignore them. There are other European countries who are not members of the EU that manage perfectly well without them. Just because we're not members of the EU won't mean that they won't want to sell their goods to us any more (and we import far more than we export). I can't see them putting a block on ease of Brits going abroad to spend their money on their holidays (as many of the Pro-EU campaigners are claiming). We will have control of our own borders - that doesn't mean a Berlin Wall scenario. It just means that we will no longer be bound to abide by Brussels' rules to allow all sundry in, whether we want them or not. As for EU being responsible for Workers Rights? Aren't they aware that the U.K. had the first Trade Union ever - the first of the few that began the idea of Workers Rights? Why do they imagine it wouldn't have happened anyway? If something is right, it usually gets done regardless of European legislation.
We have control of our own borders now for people originating outside of the EU and they make up by far the largest percentage of the immigration seen as problematic.
The EU will obviously still try to sell to us but there *will* be barriers to our selling to them (there are for all non-EU countries selling into the EU) and, given that 44% of our exports go to the EU that *will* hurt us for all the out campaign poo-poo the idea.
The UK does not have a human rights bill and successive UK governments have strongly resisted the idea of introducing one.