If anyone can recommend a book on how to keep sable martens in captivity and prepare their fur to make coats I'd be grateful. I can't find a good one.
In English, please.
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spot;1495217 wrote: If anyone can recommend a book on how to keep sable martens in captivity and prepare their fur to make coats I'd be grateful. I can't find a good one.
In English, please.
Is this the same Spot that believes keeping dogs as pets, and cows for milk and meat is evil ?
In English, please.
Is this the same Spot that believes keeping dogs as pets, and cows for milk and meat is evil ?
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Definitely, dogs and cows are domesticated. No bugger of a marten has ever been domesticated not by a long shot, he'll have your finger off if you look sideways.
Your sable marten is not even slightly endangered as a species regardless of what I do to a few thousand of them on my one-acre fur farm.
Your sable marten is not even slightly endangered as a species regardless of what I do to a few thousand of them on my one-acre fur farm.
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spot;1495227 wrote: Definitely, dogs and cows are domesticated. No bugger of a marten has ever been domesticated not by a long shot, he'll have your finger off if you look sideways.
Your sable marten is not even slightly endangered as a species regardless of what I do to a few thousand of them on my one-acre fur farm.
So it is the actual domestication of the beasts that is wrong ?
Your sable marten is not even slightly endangered as a species regardless of what I do to a few thousand of them on my one-acre fur farm.
So it is the actual domestication of the beasts that is wrong ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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What on earth do you want to breed and kill animals for their fur for ? Aren't there enough man-made fibre faux furs around ? Why kill animals when it is not necessary ?
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Bruv;1495245 wrote: So it is the actual domestication of the beasts that is wrong ?
Absolutely, as far as breeding and keeping them is concerned. I also think it's unethical to eat them but that's a different matter. I think it's equally unethical to eat bread or stoats or oysters too, for the same reason.
G#Gill;1495246 wrote: What on earth do you want to breed and kill animals for their fur for ? Aren't there enough man-made fibre faux furs around ? Why kill animals when it is not necessary ?
I've never felt faux fur that was anything remotely like sable. I don't believe it exists.
Absolutely, as far as breeding and keeping them is concerned. I also think it's unethical to eat them but that's a different matter. I think it's equally unethical to eat bread or stoats or oysters too, for the same reason.
G#Gill;1495246 wrote: What on earth do you want to breed and kill animals for their fur for ? Aren't there enough man-made fibre faux furs around ? Why kill animals when it is not necessary ?
I've never felt faux fur that was anything remotely like sable. I don't believe it exists.
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Unethical to eat........................bread ?
But it is OK to hold sable martens in captivity until such time their fur is suitable to make a decent garment for their jailer ?
But it is OK to hold sable martens in captivity until such time their fur is suitable to make a decent garment for their jailer ?
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spot is on a roll. Personally, I think he has too much time and money on his hands.
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Bruv;1495252 wrote: Unethical to eat........................bread ?
But it is OK to hold sable martens in captivity until such time their fur is suitable to make a decent garment for their jailer ?
Yep. The bread comes from land which should be wilderness. If there were enough wilderness I'd get my furs from sustainable trappers but until we get the wilderness back I've set up the cages and bought the electrocution bath.
It's entirely ethical fur.
But it is OK to hold sable martens in captivity until such time their fur is suitable to make a decent garment for their jailer ?
Yep. The bread comes from land which should be wilderness. If there were enough wilderness I'd get my furs from sustainable trappers but until we get the wilderness back I've set up the cages and bought the electrocution bath.
It's entirely ethical fur.
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I can't see any reason it is any different than raising other rabbits. The coat is special to be sure.
Why not just trap them? A lot less hassle. Also, I would expect if done according to your local fur harvest laws soon enough your may be overrun by the critters.
I can't say but fur harvesting is big in this area of the country.
Why not just trap them? A lot less hassle. Also, I would expect if done according to your local fur harvest laws soon enough your may be overrun by the critters.
I can't say but fur harvesting is big in this area of the country.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
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So...........you're going to skin 'em yourself spot? You are a tanner, too? And a tailor?
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AnneBoleyn;1495253 wrote: spot is on a roll. Personally, I think he has too much time and money on his hands.
It's the May Day Bank Holiday, everything's shut and nobody's allowed to work until tomorrow. Not even bus drivers. I walked a while but there's only so much outdoors I can cope with.
It's the May Day Bank Holiday, everything's shut and nobody's allowed to work until tomorrow. Not even bus drivers. I walked a while but there's only so much outdoors I can cope with.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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AnneBoleyn;1495256 wrote: So...........you're going to skin 'em yourself spot? You are a tanner, too? And a tailor?
That's why I need the book!
That's why I need the book!
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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tude dog;1495255 wrote: I can't say but fur harvesting is big in this area of the country.I doubt there is a single living sable marten in the entire United Kingdom. Trapping opportunities are few and far between these days, what with all the damned farms taking up so much of the countryside.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot, the pioneer.
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G#Gill;1495262 wrote: Wind up !
You could fall back on that, or you could tell us why you think faux fur is equivalent to sable despite having no resemblance whatsoever in terms of comfort, feel or warmth. Perhaps you think it does, perhaps you think the issue is unimportant. It's an opportunity for you to discuss, if you care to. There are alternatives which would keep you as warm on a freezing dry night in winter but they're not fur-like, they're quilted substitutes.
You could fall back on that, or you could tell us why you think faux fur is equivalent to sable despite having no resemblance whatsoever in terms of comfort, feel or warmth. Perhaps you think it does, perhaps you think the issue is unimportant. It's an opportunity for you to discuss, if you care to. There are alternatives which would keep you as warm on a freezing dry night in winter but they're not fur-like, they're quilted substitutes.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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AnneBoleyn;1495263 wrote: spot, the pioneer.I don't allow Adobe products on my computer and that especially includes the Flash Player. I've no idea what youtube's chFpIeBzXaw displays. Let me guess - Chaplin boiling a boot.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Nope. Just some silly stuff about "settlers" in modern times, doing all their own everything, right in suburbia. Thought you might glean some inspiration.
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I'd not do this in suburbia, the neighbors would complain. There's a quiet valley a mile up the road where I can rent three fields and use the existing barns.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Mr. spot, I cannot see why people need to wear animal skins even though there are over garments that are just as warm but man-made fibre. It's only a one-upmanship "my coat is more expensive than yours" syndrome. Personally I feel sorry for people who seem desperate to seek out these skins made into coats. I think that would be the last thing that I would want to do - wear a dead animal !
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Life's too short for wind-ups. I only start threads on subjects which interest me, in order to explore them.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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If the cost was the same, would you still equally object to the animal fur? In which case, why bring up the price? The cost of serious fleeced GoreTex expedition clothing is comparable with sable. I wouldn't wear either for one-upmanship, I'd wear either for what it is and what it does.
I presume your shoes are real leather, Gill. And your handbag? Or would that be the last thing that you would want to do - wear a dead animal !
Why is wearing worse than eating?
I presume your shoes are real leather, Gill. And your handbag? Or would that be the last thing that you would want to do - wear a dead animal !
Why is wearing worse than eating?
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1495274 wrote: If the cost was the same, would you still equally object to the animal fur? In which case, why bring up the price? The cost of serious fleeced GoreTex expedition clothing is comparable with sable. I wouldn't wear either for one-upmanship, I'd wear either for what it is and what it does.
I presume your shoes are real leather, Gill. And your handbag? Or would that be the last thing that you would want to do - wear a dead animal !
Why is wearing worse than eating?
I'm sorry to disappoint you Mr. spot, but I rarely eat meat and the shoes I wear are mostly sandals and they are man-made fibres, as are other footwear that I occasionally wear. Also my handbag is man-made fibre, but I mostly carry money, cards, and other personal items in a 'bum bag' which I have around my waist to allow me to have both hands free, and that is also man-made fibre and canvas. I do sometimes wear woolen garments, but you don't have to kill the animal to get the wool.
I presume your shoes are real leather, Gill. And your handbag? Or would that be the last thing that you would want to do - wear a dead animal !
Why is wearing worse than eating?
I'm sorry to disappoint you Mr. spot, but I rarely eat meat and the shoes I wear are mostly sandals and they are man-made fibres, as are other footwear that I occasionally wear. Also my handbag is man-made fibre, but I mostly carry money, cards, and other personal items in a 'bum bag' which I have around my waist to allow me to have both hands free, and that is also man-made fibre and canvas. I do sometimes wear woolen garments, but you don't have to kill the animal to get the wool.
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G#Gill;1495276 wrote: I do sometimes wear woolen garments, but you don't have to kill the animal to get the wool.
You'd be distressed by my sheepskin flying jacket.
You didn't claim to be vegetarian - why is wearing worse than eating?
eta: ah - I just saw it. You did.
Even so - why is wearing worse than eating?
You'd be distressed by my sheepskin flying jacket.
You didn't claim to be vegetarian - why is wearing worse than eating?
eta: ah - I just saw it. You did.
Even so - why is wearing worse than eating?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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I would REALLY think this one through.
Assuming all the information you asked for this venture were magically transferred to your brain, then what?
Buy the stuff, rabbits, time effort etc, How do you come out? What are you looking for? A hobby or monetary profit?
How do you come out?
Assuming all the information you asked for this venture were magically transferred to your brain, then what?
Buy the stuff, rabbits, time effort etc, How do you come out? What are you looking for? A hobby or monetary profit?
How do you come out?
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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spot;1495277 wrote: You'd be distressed by my sheepskin flying jacket.
You didn't claim to be vegetarian - why is wearing worse than eating?
eta: ah - I just saw it. You did.
Even so - why is wearing worse than eating?
It's not. It's as bad !
You didn't claim to be vegetarian - why is wearing worse than eating?
eta: ah - I just saw it. You did.
Even so - why is wearing worse than eating?
It's not. It's as bad !
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I have no objection to eating or wearing the by products of domesticated/captive animals, if they are kept in a decent manner.......and 'decent' alters according to mankind's understanding.
Shock horror.....I have no objection to man culling/killing animals for sport or as pest control as long as it is done in a proper manner with minimum suffering.
But we are talking to a man who believes that pets are wrong,all domesticated animals are wrong, that presumably milk cream and cheese from cows is wrong, suspect eggs from domesticated chicken are wrong.
I can't see how anyone could object to pet dogs and cats but then go on to breed captive sable marten for fur, whatever conditions the animals are kept under.
Shock horror.....I have no objection to man culling/killing animals for sport or as pest control as long as it is done in a proper manner with minimum suffering.
But we are talking to a man who believes that pets are wrong,all domesticated animals are wrong, that presumably milk cream and cheese from cows is wrong, suspect eggs from domesticated chicken are wrong.
I can't see how anyone could object to pet dogs and cats but then go on to breed captive sable marten for fur, whatever conditions the animals are kept under.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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He's a crazy mixed up kid, and it's a wind up (what some folks call a WUM !)
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spot;1495254 wrote: Yep. The bread comes from land which should be wilderness. If there were enough wilderness I'd get my furs from sustainable trappers but until we get the wilderness back I've set up the cages and bought the electrocution bath.
It's entirely ethical fur.
Of course, in that case you would need to go trapping in the Russian wilderness.
It's entirely ethical fur.
Of course, in that case you would need to go trapping in the Russian wilderness.
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G#Gill;1495407 wrote: He's a WUM
"Wind up merchant"?
"Wind up merchant"?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1495431 wrote: "Wind up merchant"?
Indeed ! Don't you think ?
Indeed ! Don't you think ?
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G#Gill;1495461 wrote: Indeed ! Don't you think ?
I never write anything I'm not interested in.
I have so far managed to acquire:
Fur Farming, the Weasel Family: A Practical Manual on the Raising, Breeding, and Handling of the Weasel Family by Robert George Hodgson, Fur Trade Journal of Canada, 1925
and a copy of Volume 43 of The American Fur Breeder from 1970.
Both have given me much information I didn't previously know I needed, especially as regards feeding and hygiene.
Anyone distressed by the thread can always leave it alone. I'm exploring what can be done locally.
I never write anything I'm not interested in.
I have so far managed to acquire:
Fur Farming, the Weasel Family: A Practical Manual on the Raising, Breeding, and Handling of the Weasel Family by Robert George Hodgson, Fur Trade Journal of Canada, 1925
and a copy of Volume 43 of The American Fur Breeder from 1970.
Both have given me much information I didn't previously know I needed, especially as regards feeding and hygiene.
Anyone distressed by the thread can always leave it alone. I'm exploring what can be done locally.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Your subject distresses me so I will leave this thread alone. Don't miss me too much Mr. spot ! You're still a WUM.
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spot;1495463 wrote: I never write anything I'm not interested in.
But what if you are interested in being a WUM?
But what if you are interested in being a WUM?
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In that unlikely event I'll let you know. It hasn't happened so far.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1495463 wrote: I never write anything I'm not interested in.
I have so far managed to acquire:
Fur Farming, the Weasel Family: A Practical Manual on the Raising, Breeding, and Handling of the Weasel Family by Robert George Hodgson, Fur Trade Journal of Canada, 1925
and a copy of Volume 43 of The American Fur Breeder from 1970.
Both have given me much information I didn't previously know I needed, especially as regards feeding and hygiene.
Anyone distressed by the thread can always leave it alone. I'm exploring what can be done locally.
I still want to know how you square this with your ethics, referring you to my post you appear to have missed HERE
I have so far managed to acquire:
Fur Farming, the Weasel Family: A Practical Manual on the Raising, Breeding, and Handling of the Weasel Family by Robert George Hodgson, Fur Trade Journal of Canada, 1925
and a copy of Volume 43 of The American Fur Breeder from 1970.
Both have given me much information I didn't previously know I needed, especially as regards feeding and hygiene.
Anyone distressed by the thread can always leave it alone. I'm exploring what can be done locally.
I still want to know how you square this with your ethics, referring you to my post you appear to have missed HERE
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1495483 wrote: I still want to know how you square this with your ethics, referring you to my post you appear to have missed HERE
That being...
But we are talking to a man who believes that pets are wrong,all domesticated animals are wrong, that presumably milk cream and cheese from cows is wrong, suspect eggs from domesticated chicken are wrong.
I can't see how anyone could object to pet dogs and cats but then go on to breed captive sable marten for fur, whatever conditions the animals are kept under.
My ethical objection is to domestication. That's the start and end of my objection to the way in which humans interact with other species, everything I've written with regard to other species [1] has been based on domestication. If it turns out that the Megafaunal mass extinctions were driven worldwide solely by human agency - which looks increasingly likely as matters unfold - then I'll have another ethical objection too but so far I only have the one.
[1]: Including bread.
That being...
But we are talking to a man who believes that pets are wrong,all domesticated animals are wrong, that presumably milk cream and cheese from cows is wrong, suspect eggs from domesticated chicken are wrong.
I can't see how anyone could object to pet dogs and cats but then go on to breed captive sable marten for fur, whatever conditions the animals are kept under.
My ethical objection is to domestication. That's the start and end of my objection to the way in which humans interact with other species, everything I've written with regard to other species [1] has been based on domestication. If it turns out that the Megafaunal mass extinctions were driven worldwide solely by human agency - which looks increasingly likely as matters unfold - then I'll have another ethical objection too but so far I only have the one.
[1]: Including bread.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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So your capturing and keeping in large escape proof conditions to live 'naturally', presumably to breed 'naturally' and to live in your enclosure feeding and behaving 'naturally' completely undomesticated, and then to be trapped and killed then skinned for their fur and the meat disposed of..........is ethical ?
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I'm not planning on domesticating them! The scheme is to farm wild animals for their fur and it doesn't go against my ethical sense in the slightest. Attempting to create a domesticated species of sable marten, on the other hand, would.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Could the..... 'driven by human agency'.....you mention....in reference to the Megafaunal mass extinctions, have any relation with altering the status quo of wilderness in general.....knowingly or unknowingly............such as captive breeding for fur production ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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If you can tell me how "captive breeding for fur production" alters "the status quo of wilderness in general" I will retract and desist, I will abandon my plan. I don't see how the one affects the other. Perhaps I've missed something.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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AnneBoleyn
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Abandon your plans. You are not serious anyway.
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The single word captive is the clue I think.
I would contend you cannot put up a barrier of any kind and expect the long term outcome to be 'natural'.
The megafaunal mass extinctions you speak of are partly due to barriers that are not always physical but which impinge on their natural range.
I would contend you cannot put up a barrier of any kind and expect the long term outcome to be 'natural'.
The megafaunal mass extinctions you speak of are partly due to barriers that are not always physical but which impinge on their natural range.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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AnneBoleyn;1495504 wrote: Abandon your plans. You are not serious anyway.
It keeps him off the streets.
It keeps him off the streets.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1495505 wrote: I would contend you cannot put up a barrier of any kind and expect the long term outcome to be 'natural'.I guarantee it will be. The absolute long-term outcome for every sable marten which enters my facility will be death within three years. How much more natural can it get.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1495509 wrote: I guarantee it will be. The absolute long-term outcome for every sable marten which enters my facility will be death within three years. How much more natural can it get.
Death as a concept is natural. The nature of that death, at the hands of others, isn't.
Death as a concept is natural. The nature of that death, at the hands of others, isn't.
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