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Not even slightly. I would trust Boris to at least want to do the right thing.
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spot;1495893 wrote: Not even slightly. I would trust Boris to at least want to do the right thing.
"The right thing" is after all, just a matter of opinion.
"The right thing" is after all, just a matter of opinion.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1495896 wrote: "The right thing" is after all, just a matter of opinion.
I was contrasting him with Donald who was undoubtedly taught what was wrong from his earliest years with the intention that he should naturally gravitate toward it.
I was contrasting him with Donald who was undoubtedly taught what was wrong from his earliest years with the intention that he should naturally gravitate toward it.
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Fair point about the "right thing". He may be a total pratt, and you may not agree with him, but I do believe his intentions are just. Trump's intentions, on the other hand, are simply to get into power.
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It is more their populist appeal, saying things politicians normally state in more diplomatic terms, appearing to be bumbling idiots, when they are really calculating careerists.....if that is a word.
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Boris made some unusual but brilliant moves as mayor. Not enough of them, perhaps, but making more of a positive difference than most politicians. Unleashing the dead Routemasters was magnificent - anyone lower in the food chain would have been trounced for breaching Health and Safety, but they're perfect for London.
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FourPart;1495898 wrote: Fair point about the "right thing". He may be a total pratt, and you may not agree with him, but I do believe his intentions are just. Trump's intentions, on the other hand, are simply to get into power.
I think you give Donald too much credit. I doubt that he actually thought that far ahead.
I think you give Donald too much credit. I doubt that he actually thought that far ahead.
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A country run by boris and nigel farage and donald trump thinks we should leave as well. I'm voting stay and hoping far a second indyref. Come to that what if it's scots votes that keep us in when the majority in england vote leave? That could be interesting maybe england will go for indendence from scotland.
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spot;1495901 wrote: Boris made some unusual but brilliant moves as mayor. Not enough of them, perhaps, but making more of a positive difference than most politicians. Unleashing the dead Routemasters was magnificent - anyone lower in the food chain would have been trounced for breaching Health and Safety, but they're perfect for London.
Absolutely. He may come across as a bumbling buffoon, but to his credit he rarely toes the party line, but on the whole has followed the things he campaigned to get voted on. The Boris Bikes (a variation on the Dutch idea) is perfect, and deserves to be progressed much further. The Congestion Charge. Perhaps it hasn't really done much for congestion, but at least it provides a decent form of revenue. Personally I reckon we could do with a Congestion Charge in the Southampton City Centre, but I doubt that would ever get through. The electorate complain enough about a 60p toll on the main Itchen Bridge - which I consider to be perfectly reasonable (even though motorbikes are exempt).
Absolutely. He may come across as a bumbling buffoon, but to his credit he rarely toes the party line, but on the whole has followed the things he campaigned to get voted on. The Boris Bikes (a variation on the Dutch idea) is perfect, and deserves to be progressed much further. The Congestion Charge. Perhaps it hasn't really done much for congestion, but at least it provides a decent form of revenue. Personally I reckon we could do with a Congestion Charge in the Southampton City Centre, but I doubt that would ever get through. The electorate complain enough about a 60p toll on the main Itchen Bridge - which I consider to be perfectly reasonable (even though motorbikes are exempt).
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Oddly enough, the congestion charge was Ken's.
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Well, whoever did it, I reckon it was a good idea.
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How did London manage before they created the Mayoral role as it is today ?
My town has a Mayor that is a figure head for ceremonial dinners only...............and whats the need for Police commissioners ?
My town has a Mayor that is a figure head for ceremonial dinners only...............and whats the need for Police commissioners ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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It's been there for quite a while. Dick Whittington springs to mind.
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Bruv;1495932 wrote: How did London manage before they created the Mayoral role as it is today ?
My town has a Mayor that is a figure head for ceremonial dinners only...............and whats the need for Police commissioners ?
London had a Leader of the Greater London Council until Mrs Thatcher [spit] abolished the position. The final incumbent was Red Ken.
There's a difference between Lord Mayors, which you describe, and executive Mayors which a dozen cities in the UK have, modeled on US Mayors who manage the local political environment. In Bristol we had George Ferguson until last month, and very impressive he was too. The new chap is also impressive, I'm delighted he took over - George Ferguson needed to get his life back but he was a breath of fresh air while he was in charge.
Who would you prefer commenting on the local police who isn't a policeman?
My town has a Mayor that is a figure head for ceremonial dinners only...............and whats the need for Police commissioners ?
London had a Leader of the Greater London Council until Mrs Thatcher [spit] abolished the position. The final incumbent was Red Ken.
There's a difference between Lord Mayors, which you describe, and executive Mayors which a dozen cities in the UK have, modeled on US Mayors who manage the local political environment. In Bristol we had George Ferguson until last month, and very impressive he was too. The new chap is also impressive, I'm delighted he took over - George Ferguson needed to get his life back but he was a breath of fresh air while he was in charge.
Who would you prefer commenting on the local police who isn't a policeman?
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So executive Mayors roll their sleeves up and Lord Mayors go to civic dinners ?
And it is an American import, along with Police commissioners ?
But the role was there before, it hasn't been created has it, just renamed ?
And it is an American import, along with Police commissioners ?
But the role was there before, it hasn't been created has it, just renamed ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Boris
The role of an elected Police Commissioner leaves me cold. I just don't get it. I would see the role as being, logically, and ideally suited for someone who has worked their way up through the ranks, from the Bobby on the Beat, all the way through. Someone who knew the job inside out, through hands on experience. Makes sense, huh? Why on earth did anyone believe that would be better filled by someone who may have never had anything to do with Law Enforcement by winning a Popularity Contest? What next - will we have Airline Pilots & Army Generals voted in from anyone from the General Public who feels like nominating themselves for election. Perhaps Cameron should consider sanctioning anyone who doesn't put themselves forward, as it demonstrates that they are not taking every step possible to find work. After all, by not needing any experience or qualification in the job, it is ideally suited for anyone.
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Bruv;1495944 wrote: But the role was there before, it hasn't been created has it, just renamed ?The role in English cities was created, recently. I can't think when last there was an executive mayor in England, as opposed to a council leader.In England, the office of mayor or lord mayor had long been ceremonial posts, with few or no duties attached to it. A mayor's term of office denotes the municipal year. The most famous example is that of the Lord Mayor of the City of London.
[...] In 2000 the Labour government led by Tony Blair passed a local government reform which changed this system somewhat. Several districts in England now have directly elected mayors with real powers and an advisory cabinet to assist them.
Also since 2000, the area of Greater London has had a Greater London Authority headed by a Mayor of London. This is a separate post to the historic and honorific Lord Mayor of the City of London and may be characterised as a strategic, regional, role rather than as anything analogous to previous local government in England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_in_England
[...] In 2000 the Labour government led by Tony Blair passed a local government reform which changed this system somewhat. Several districts in England now have directly elected mayors with real powers and an advisory cabinet to assist them.
Also since 2000, the area of Greater London has had a Greater London Authority headed by a Mayor of London. This is a separate post to the historic and honorific Lord Mayor of the City of London and may be characterised as a strategic, regional, role rather than as anything analogous to previous local government in England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_in_England
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FourPart;1495949 wrote: I would see the role as being, logically, and ideally suited for someone who has worked their way up through the ranks, from the Bobby on the Beat, all the way through. Someone who knew the job inside out, through hands on experience. Makes sense, huh?
They exist, they're called Chief Constables. They're made accountable to public concerns by the elected, as opposed to appointed, Police Commissioner. Democracy requires an elected official to scrutinize but England doesn't elect Chief Constables, they're like Bishops and Lords Lieutenant , they get appointed.
They exist, they're called Chief Constables. They're made accountable to public concerns by the elected, as opposed to appointed, Police Commissioner. Democracy requires an elected official to scrutinize but England doesn't elect Chief Constables, they're like Bishops and Lords Lieutenant , they get appointed.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;1495961 wrote: They exist, they're called Chief Constables. They're made accountable to public concerns by the elected, as opposed to appointed, Police Commissioner. Democracy requires an elected official to scrutinize but England doesn't elect Chief Constables, they're like Bishops and Lords Lieutenant , they get appointed.
So who scrutinises the scrutinisers?
We've only had elected PCCs in the past decade or so. We always got by perfectly well before without them.
So who scrutinises the scrutinisers?
We've only had elected PCCs in the past decade or so. We always got by perfectly well before without them.
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FourPart;1495985 wrote: So who scrutinises the scrutinisers?
The electorate, of course. That's why democracy exists.
We've only had elected PCCs in the past decade or so. We always got by perfectly well before without them.No we didn't, we had all-pervading Masonic handshakes and institutional police corruption from the days of Robert Peel onward.
The electorate, of course. That's why democracy exists.
We've only had elected PCCs in the past decade or so. We always got by perfectly well before without them.No we didn't, we had all-pervading Masonic handshakes and institutional police corruption from the days of Robert Peel onward.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;1495994 wrote: The electorate, of course. That's why democracy exists.
So, what do you know about your newly elected PCC & what makes him / her suitable for the post?
Come to that, what do you know about your MEP?
It's surprising how few people even know who their MP or Councillors are.
On the whole, we are kept in ignorance about the issues & the candidates, and are then expected to make informed decisions to elect someone else to do a job that neither we, nor in all probability, know anything about.
I think it's a pretty commonly held belief that when it comes to running hospitals they would be better run as had always been done, by the Matron. She knew the job & had worked her way up to it. Nobody seems to favour of the way it's all being privatised by our Democratically Elected Government, making more managers than nursing staff. These managers are then accountable to who? The CEOs. Are they selected by the electorate? Of course not. The corporations are meant to be accountable to the Government. But theyre the ones who are selling it off to them at a discount price in return for favourable donations to the Party. So then who are the Government answerable to? The electorate? Who the hell was it who put them there in the first place - on a minority vote, at that? They lie & cheat to get themselves into power, knowing that the electorate seems to have a very short memory, and that come the next election all they need do is throw the electorate a few bones & they'll just come running back for more.
Electoral accountability in Public Service is a waste of time.
So, what do you know about your newly elected PCC & what makes him / her suitable for the post?
Come to that, what do you know about your MEP?
It's surprising how few people even know who their MP or Councillors are.
On the whole, we are kept in ignorance about the issues & the candidates, and are then expected to make informed decisions to elect someone else to do a job that neither we, nor in all probability, know anything about.
I think it's a pretty commonly held belief that when it comes to running hospitals they would be better run as had always been done, by the Matron. She knew the job & had worked her way up to it. Nobody seems to favour of the way it's all being privatised by our Democratically Elected Government, making more managers than nursing staff. These managers are then accountable to who? The CEOs. Are they selected by the electorate? Of course not. The corporations are meant to be accountable to the Government. But theyre the ones who are selling it off to them at a discount price in return for favourable donations to the Party. So then who are the Government answerable to? The electorate? Who the hell was it who put them there in the first place - on a minority vote, at that? They lie & cheat to get themselves into power, knowing that the electorate seems to have a very short memory, and that come the next election all they need do is throw the electorate a few bones & they'll just come running back for more.
Electoral accountability in Public Service is a waste of time.
Boris
I'm trying to remember the alternative.
Tyranny, that's it.
Tyranny, that's it.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;1496014 wrote: I'm trying to remember the alternative.
Tyranny, that's it.
I have never been involved in politics apart from voting. I have accompanied my wife to meetings of the local Independent party, a coalition of independent and prospective councilors when she was standing for election.
I learned during a few meetings that there is a cabal of councilors that looks after the the interests of local business.
There was a scandal some time ago concerning the village of Wye and the grounds of it's agricultural college. The plans for a major construction in an area of natural beauty involving major growth of housing and factory were waved through clandestinely which took a long campaign by locals to over throw.
There is now a major development due to start at Chilmington Green that also leaves a nasty taste.
These are not NIMBY protesters, the Wye carry-on had a book written about the underhand dealings. Information given to locals was false,in order to garner support, freedom of information requests were withheld or slow to materialise.
My point being.....tyranny can continue in a so called democracy, the techniques implementing it are different.Please no links to tyranny definitions, I am using the absolute ruler meaning. The ruling party in my town are entrenched, complacent and believe they have the right to do what they want.......nasty.
Tyranny, that's it.
I have never been involved in politics apart from voting. I have accompanied my wife to meetings of the local Independent party, a coalition of independent and prospective councilors when she was standing for election.
I learned during a few meetings that there is a cabal of councilors that looks after the the interests of local business.
There was a scandal some time ago concerning the village of Wye and the grounds of it's agricultural college. The plans for a major construction in an area of natural beauty involving major growth of housing and factory were waved through clandestinely which took a long campaign by locals to over throw.
There is now a major development due to start at Chilmington Green that also leaves a nasty taste.
These are not NIMBY protesters, the Wye carry-on had a book written about the underhand dealings. Information given to locals was false,in order to garner support, freedom of information requests were withheld or slow to materialise.
My point being.....tyranny can continue in a so called democracy, the techniques implementing it are different.Please no links to tyranny definitions, I am using the absolute ruler meaning. The ruling party in my town are entrenched, complacent and believe they have the right to do what they want.......nasty.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Boris
There's always going to be some parts of the country which have remained feudal from back when everyone tilled the theign's fields for free. The only way to stamp out that sort of self-interest is forcing a prosecution for corrupt practice.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Boris
Bruv;1496022 wrote: I have never been involved in politics apart from voting. I have accompanied my wife to meetings of the local Independent party, a coalition of independent and prospective councilors when she was standing for election.
I learned during a few meetings that there is a cabal of councilors that looks after the the interests of local business.
There was a scandal some time ago concerning the village of Wye and the grounds of it's agricultural college. The plans for a major construction in an area of natural beauty involving major growth of housing and factory were waved through clandestinely which took a long campaign by locals to over throw.
There is now a major development due to start at Chilmington Green that also leaves a nasty taste.
These are not NIMBY protesters, the Wye carry-on had a book written about the underhand dealings. Information given to locals was false,in order to garner support, freedom of information requests were withheld or slow to materialise.
My point being.....tyranny can continue in a so called democracy, the techniques implementing it are different.Please no links to tyranny definitions, I am using the absolute ruler meaning. The ruling party in my town are entrenched, complacent and believe they have the right to do what they want.......nasty.
For decades scotland was run by kind of labour mafia, you couldn't get elected nloess you playes the party game, sexist and more interested in squabbling with each other than anything to do with representing people. Now thanks to proportional representation their back is broken. That and the indyref has polticised the electorate in a way that is new and you see the results in both the scottish parliament and local elections. . Sadly there are signs that some of them are moving across to the snp because you see the start of the same kind of bickering and attempots to force out those who don't agree with them they haven't gone away but now they have a fight on their hands and an elctorate not inclined to put up with much crap. The PR systen introduced was intended to prevent the kind of imbalances you get with forst past the post where 75% of the votes are against the winning candidate who gets the seat because he has more votes than anyone else and also prevent smaller parties holding a balance o0f power. Without it there would be no tory or labour MSP's on the other hand without it it's unlikely the snp would have got to where they are now. Same pold same old people were pissed off and disinterested
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My point being.....tyranny can continue in a so called democracy, the techniques implementing it are different.Please no links to tyranny definitions, I am using the absolute ruler meaning. The ruling party in my town are entrenched, complacent and believe they have the right to do what they want.......nasty.
Oh boy can I relate to that
The grandees of the labour party want rid of corbyn and a manifesto that will get them back in to government, on other words tell lies and say what you need to to get power and they wondet why they are losing so heavily at the polls. PR woiuld make a big differebnce to the UK neither labour or tory would be able to destroy the place like they have been doing. It's the smug sense of entitlement that lead the tories to believe they can do what they want, problem is if they are nopt stopped we will have no NHS left. Jeremy Hunt makes no secret of wanting tio privatise the health service he's the last person who should be health minister and the majority of people in the UK do not want it privatised. The rich and powerful use democracy to get what they want buying politicians to pass laws to make thier thefts legal. PR wouldn't stop yjay ut it does make life harder.
I learned during a few meetings that there is a cabal of councilors that looks after the the interests of local business.
There was a scandal some time ago concerning the village of Wye and the grounds of it's agricultural college. The plans for a major construction in an area of natural beauty involving major growth of housing and factory were waved through clandestinely which took a long campaign by locals to over throw.
There is now a major development due to start at Chilmington Green that also leaves a nasty taste.
These are not NIMBY protesters, the Wye carry-on had a book written about the underhand dealings. Information given to locals was false,in order to garner support, freedom of information requests were withheld or slow to materialise.
My point being.....tyranny can continue in a so called democracy, the techniques implementing it are different.Please no links to tyranny definitions, I am using the absolute ruler meaning. The ruling party in my town are entrenched, complacent and believe they have the right to do what they want.......nasty.
For decades scotland was run by kind of labour mafia, you couldn't get elected nloess you playes the party game, sexist and more interested in squabbling with each other than anything to do with representing people. Now thanks to proportional representation their back is broken. That and the indyref has polticised the electorate in a way that is new and you see the results in both the scottish parliament and local elections. . Sadly there are signs that some of them are moving across to the snp because you see the start of the same kind of bickering and attempots to force out those who don't agree with them they haven't gone away but now they have a fight on their hands and an elctorate not inclined to put up with much crap. The PR systen introduced was intended to prevent the kind of imbalances you get with forst past the post where 75% of the votes are against the winning candidate who gets the seat because he has more votes than anyone else and also prevent smaller parties holding a balance o0f power. Without it there would be no tory or labour MSP's on the other hand without it it's unlikely the snp would have got to where they are now. Same pold same old people were pissed off and disinterested
posted by bruv
My point being.....tyranny can continue in a so called democracy, the techniques implementing it are different.Please no links to tyranny definitions, I am using the absolute ruler meaning. The ruling party in my town are entrenched, complacent and believe they have the right to do what they want.......nasty.
Oh boy can I relate to that
The grandees of the labour party want rid of corbyn and a manifesto that will get them back in to government, on other words tell lies and say what you need to to get power and they wondet why they are losing so heavily at the polls. PR woiuld make a big differebnce to the UK neither labour or tory would be able to destroy the place like they have been doing. It's the smug sense of entitlement that lead the tories to believe they can do what they want, problem is if they are nopt stopped we will have no NHS left. Jeremy Hunt makes no secret of wanting tio privatise the health service he's the last person who should be health minister and the majority of people in the UK do not want it privatised. The rich and powerful use democracy to get what they want buying politicians to pass laws to make thier thefts legal. PR wouldn't stop yjay ut it does make life harder.
Boris
I get your drift gmc..................but....slow down a bit.....your accent is difficult for us southerners.
So how do we get Proportional Representation then ?
In the good old days our politicians were usually drawn from people with a conscience, these days with more professional politicians, they are all suspect, all self serving career politicians who can make a living in power or not.
So how do we get Proportional Representation then ?
In the good old days our politicians were usually drawn from people with a conscience, these days with more professional politicians, they are all suspect, all self serving career politicians who can make a living in power or not.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Boris
I really don't know. The lib dems had an opportunity when they held the balance of power with labour and tory but they blew it. IMO they should have made PR a condition of going in to coalition otherwise they should have gone along on a comfort and supply agreement.
But clegg blew it by being more interested in getting short term influence it was a decison thatI think lost them an awful lot of their core support and I doubt the libdems will recover any time soon I think they'll lose all their seat at the next election. neither labour or tory are in favour since it would mean neither party would be able to form a majority government but who knows labour might come round but not if the [rofessional politicians get their way - too fond of playing with the machine as it is.
But clegg blew it by being more interested in getting short term influence it was a decison thatI think lost them an awful lot of their core support and I doubt the libdems will recover any time soon I think they'll lose all their seat at the next election. neither labour or tory are in favour since it would mean neither party would be able to form a majority government but who knows labour might come round but not if the [rofessional politicians get their way - too fond of playing with the machine as it is.
Boris
I'm relying on Westminster staying First Past The Post. Look at what happened in the Welsh Assembly with party lists and PR - there's 7 UKIP members with Neil Hamilton as their leader. It's a laughable consequence of changing the voting system nationally and the Welsh deserve all the egg they're consequently wearing. Serve them right for taking that path.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Boris
spot;1496046 wrote: I'm relying on Westminster staying First Past The Post. Look at what happened in the Welsh Assembly with party lists and PR - there's 7 UKIP members with Neil Hamilton as their leader. It's a laughable consequence of changing the voting system nationally and the Welsh deserve all the egg they're consequently wearing. Serve them right for taking that path.
So no chance of your lot getting a sniff then ?
Can't say I am aware of the Welsh problem, but I have confessed my political ignorance already.
So you believe a first past the post system is better for a democracy, when a larger percentage vote against the winning party ?
So no chance of your lot getting a sniff then ?
Can't say I am aware of the Welsh problem, but I have confessed my political ignorance already.
So you believe a first past the post system is better for a democracy, when a larger percentage vote against the winning party ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth