This might have been seen in the US, but as far as I know it has passed us by in the UK.
I am amazed at the condemnation of the arrested guys behaviour I have seen on other sites. I might not want to make the bloke my best friend, but I think the police procedure was as equally bad.
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
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Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
I watched most of this, without listening. The body language alone shows that it was a doomed venture from the start. The whole time, the first cop on the scene seems to be trying to gain control of the situation, and failing miserably.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
There are two contradictory points of view. One is that an adult is responsible for his behavior. The other is that adults can be so influenced by events in their life over which they have no control that their actions are to a significant effect the product of their experiences. If the one is true then the other can't be, and vice versa.
I see no more reason to criticize Mr Jammer than I do to admire the personal qualities of Bill Gates. With different life circumstances each could have ended up in the other's position, though given their cultural and financial backgrounds that thought might be stretching my point.
I would be honored by Mr Jammer's friendship and interested to know his biography.
I see no more reason to criticize Mr Jammer than I do to admire the personal qualities of Bill Gates. With different life circumstances each could have ended up in the other's position, though given their cultural and financial backgrounds that thought might be stretching my point.
I would be honored by Mr Jammer's friendship and interested to know his biography.
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Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
A simple reason for the police arrival at the outset might have been the better opening gambit.
If the police tip up at my front door without some explanation I might be uncooperative too.
If the police tip up at my front door without some explanation I might be uncooperative too.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
So, he apparently smacked his wife, and the cops were called. He seems a bit cranky.
The young woman cop needs to learn how to manage a situation. She is going to get someone killed with that sort of behavior.
I'd say that they are all very lucky that no one was injured or killed that day.
The young woman cop needs to learn how to manage a situation. She is going to get someone killed with that sort of behavior.
I'd say that they are all very lucky that no one was injured or killed that day.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
It was an impossible situation. I find the officers patience quite remarkable.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
tude dog;1500251 wrote: It was an impossible situation. I find the officers patience quite remarkable.
I find the officers lack of ability to handle the situation without a taser remarkable too.
I find the officers lack of ability to handle the situation without a taser remarkable too.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
Bruv;1500255 wrote: I find the officers lack of ability to handle the situation without a taser remarkable too.
Better the TASER than the 9 mm.
Still trying to 'get' what this was all about. four cops trying to take down a grumpy old man... WTF, over?
Better the TASER than the 9 mm.
Still trying to 'get' what this was all about. four cops trying to take down a grumpy old man... WTF, over?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
The guy admitted smacking his (wife). So I assume Spot has no problem with men smacking their women. I thought the man was using the dog to intimidate the female cop. I have no problem with her protecting herself with her taser. If the man would have cooperated from the beginning nothing may have happened except questioning. We will never know now. I also am impressed with the officers patience in the whole matter.
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
Bruv;1500255 wrote: I find the officers lack of ability to handle the situation without a taser remarkable too.
How do you handle someone who decides not to be handled?
How do you handle someone who decides not to be handled?
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YZGI;1500258 wrote: The guy admitted smacking his (wife). So I assume Spot has no problem with men smacking their women. I thought the man was using the dog to intimidate the female cop. I have no problem with her protecting herself with her taser. If the man would have cooperated from the beginning nothing may have happened except questioning. We will never know now. I also am impressed with the officers patience in the whole matter.
I agree that the officers were very patient with the guy.
The original officer was unprepared for the type of contact, and made some huge mistakes. She could have gotten injured or killed several times over, had the guy really intended bodily harm.
This will make an excellent training video for LEOs in the future.
I agree that the officers were very patient with the guy.
The original officer was unprepared for the type of contact, and made some huge mistakes. She could have gotten injured or killed several times over, had the guy really intended bodily harm.
This will make an excellent training video for LEOs in the future.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
I suppose it's a totally different expectation from the police in our respective countries when they arrive at a 'domestic'.
Our police don't expect the possibility of armed resistance.
A wife slapper will not immediately be faced with an officer wielding a taser, or a gun.
I would have thought the suspect would have been asked to sit in the police car to 'have a talk'......low key.....or at least talk on neutral ground outside the guys yard.
The approach would have been different, the 'commands' to comply in America would have been 'requests' in the UK, only escalating when the possibility of it getting physical was obvious. This guy had just had some sort of blood raising argument, he was already riled when the police arrived, their task was to defuse the situation, not to go in there heavy handedly.
Our police don't expect the possibility of armed resistance.
A wife slapper will not immediately be faced with an officer wielding a taser, or a gun.
I would have thought the suspect would have been asked to sit in the police car to 'have a talk'......low key.....or at least talk on neutral ground outside the guys yard.
The approach would have been different, the 'commands' to comply in America would have been 'requests' in the UK, only escalating when the possibility of it getting physical was obvious. This guy had just had some sort of blood raising argument, he was already riled when the police arrived, their task was to defuse the situation, not to go in there heavy handedly.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
I guess it's a case that when you live in a culture where everyone is trigger happy, every encounter with the Police is bound to be heightened from the start. In many ways it makes a pleasant change that neither he nor the dog had a full clip shot into them at the start as 'justifiable defensive action'. However, I got the feeling that the Female Officer was panicking, and not suited for lone calls. He was not making any overt aggressive actions, apart from the language & walking back & forth. He wasn't making any sudden moves, and the constant threats to taze him were totally unjustified. If they had simply backed off & calmly ASKED him to come & sit down & talk things over, instead of going straight in with threats, how much simpler things might have been.
The American Police could learn a great deal from the approach of the British Bobby.
The American Police could learn a great deal from the approach of the British Bobby.
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YZGI;1500258 wrote: I assume Spot has no problem with men smacking their women.I thought he appeared mentally ill, actually, from what's been written about him elsewhere.
I'll throw in a quote of Jonathon Garay for which I have no simple URL but you can find it with a search if you need to. I've not edited or trimmed it.First and foremost I wanna thank the officers for being so patient.
Most of you commenting are friends. You have your opinions and that's fine. I want to express my feelings towards Floyd Jammer. I worked with this man several years ago. He was a man I looked up to. A great Christian, father, husband, and friend. He guided me and taught me a lot. Believe it or not he would get on to me for using bad language or making bad, dumb decisions. Not saying what happened here is right. He was obviously not in a right state of mind. Mostly upset. I'm sure we have all gotten to a point where we acted out of anger or other reasons. Like I said I'm not taking up for his actions. I would do this for any friend of mine that I personally know or once knew.
But he was involved in a head on collision with an 18 wheeler coming into work if I remember correctly. The accident obviously took a toll on this man. He was told he would never walk again. He endured a lot of pain and anguish.
If anything I ask for people to pray for these officers for having to do what they do for our community and say also a pray for this man.
We are so quick to judge and if I didn't personally know this man I would honestly have the same thoughts as some commenting. Everyone have a safe day and please instead of being so negative lets just pray for those in need.It's posted where other locals will see it, so I don't doubt it's a genuine observation.
I'll throw in a quote of Jonathon Garay for which I have no simple URL but you can find it with a search if you need to. I've not edited or trimmed it.First and foremost I wanna thank the officers for being so patient.
Most of you commenting are friends. You have your opinions and that's fine. I want to express my feelings towards Floyd Jammer. I worked with this man several years ago. He was a man I looked up to. A great Christian, father, husband, and friend. He guided me and taught me a lot. Believe it or not he would get on to me for using bad language or making bad, dumb decisions. Not saying what happened here is right. He was obviously not in a right state of mind. Mostly upset. I'm sure we have all gotten to a point where we acted out of anger or other reasons. Like I said I'm not taking up for his actions. I would do this for any friend of mine that I personally know or once knew.
But he was involved in a head on collision with an 18 wheeler coming into work if I remember correctly. The accident obviously took a toll on this man. He was told he would never walk again. He endured a lot of pain and anguish.
If anything I ask for people to pray for these officers for having to do what they do for our community and say also a pray for this man.
We are so quick to judge and if I didn't personally know this man I would honestly have the same thoughts as some commenting. Everyone have a safe day and please instead of being so negative lets just pray for those in need.It's posted where other locals will see it, so I don't doubt it's a genuine observation.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
Scanning the various comments following Jonathon Garay's, makes me concerned for the American ideal of freedom.
To paraphrase many of the comments, they side so strongly with the police, seeing nothing wrong in the way the incident was handled.
Apparently in the land of the free when an officer of the law says jump, you ask how high.
I can only think this is due to the fact they are armed and dangerous and worried you will be armed and dangerous too.
To paraphrase many of the comments, they side so strongly with the police, seeing nothing wrong in the way the incident was handled.
Apparently in the land of the free when an officer of the law says jump, you ask how high.
I can only think this is due to the fact they are armed and dangerous and worried you will be armed and dangerous too.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
Bruv;1500263 wrote: I suppose it's a totally different expectation from the police in our respective countries when they arrive at a 'domestic'.
Our police don't expect the possibility of armed resistance.
A wife slapper will not immediately be faced with an officer wielding a taser, or a gun.
I would have thought the suspect would have been asked to sit in the police car to 'have a talk'......low key.....or at least talk on neutral ground outside the guys yard.
The approach would have been different, the 'commands' to comply in America would have been 'requests' in the UK, only escalating when the possibility of it getting physical was obvious. This guy had just had some sort of blood raising argument, he was already riled when the police arrived, their task was to defuse the situation, not to go in there heavy handedly.
We must be watching different videos. I just rewatched the first few minutes and it was clear to me that Mr Jammer was the aggressive of the two from the beginning. I thought the female officer was being very respective from the beginning calling him sir etc etc. I suppose one of your Bobbies would have brought Mr Jammer cookies and milk after he smacked his bitch in the head and neighbors called in the disturbance on him. I don't know what else she could have done, she asked him to come talk to her.
Scratchin my head..
Our police don't expect the possibility of armed resistance.
A wife slapper will not immediately be faced with an officer wielding a taser, or a gun.
I would have thought the suspect would have been asked to sit in the police car to 'have a talk'......low key.....or at least talk on neutral ground outside the guys yard.
The approach would have been different, the 'commands' to comply in America would have been 'requests' in the UK, only escalating when the possibility of it getting physical was obvious. This guy had just had some sort of blood raising argument, he was already riled when the police arrived, their task was to defuse the situation, not to go in there heavy handedly.
We must be watching different videos. I just rewatched the first few minutes and it was clear to me that Mr Jammer was the aggressive of the two from the beginning. I thought the female officer was being very respective from the beginning calling him sir etc etc. I suppose one of your Bobbies would have brought Mr Jammer cookies and milk after he smacked his bitch in the head and neighbors called in the disturbance on him. I don't know what else she could have done, she asked him to come talk to her.
Scratchin my head..
Floyd Lee Jammer's arrest.
YZGI;1500258 wrote: The guy admitted smacking his (wife). So I assume Spot has no problem with men smacking their women. I thought the man was using the dog to intimidate the female cop. I have no problem with her protecting herself with her taser. If the man would have cooperated from the beginning nothing may have happened except questioning. We will never know now. I also am impressed with the officers patience in the whole matter.
I agree. The cops were called out on a domestic violence situation--they expected to find violence when they got there. The lady cop didn't know but what she would get smacked too or worse, sic the dog, etc. I think the precinct should have sent a man to investigate a situation like that but the women cops are trained to handle the situation, therefore the taser is a logical protector. When the back-up cop came I thought he was extremely patient, calm and respectful. Jammer on the other hand showed no respect for anyone.
I agree. The cops were called out on a domestic violence situation--they expected to find violence when they got there. The lady cop didn't know but what she would get smacked too or worse, sic the dog, etc. I think the precinct should have sent a man to investigate a situation like that but the women cops are trained to handle the situation, therefore the taser is a logical protector. When the back-up cop came I thought he was extremely patient, calm and respectful. Jammer on the other hand showed no respect for anyone.
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The first thing the lady officer said was "Yes sir how can I help you ?" as he walked toward her.
She then raised an open palm to stop his approach as he said "What do you want?" Her reply "You need to stop the indistinct first of all"
At this point she has lost him.
He then turns and goes to the pick up and drops the tail gate to which she says
"No sir..............what are you doing trying to stick the dog on me ?"
Digging herself deeper.
The large dog is quiet at the back of the yard.
The ongoing conversation includes her telling him she is going to put him in cuffs.
Deeper and deeper.
Of course the man is upset, sending a female officer to a domestic isn't the wisest move in the first place, she could have held back and waited for back up to engage the man first, because she made a hash of it.
Perhaps there is more than a common language separating our two countries, it's a frame of mind, and as I said before, the chance anybody may be carrying a gun over there.
She then raised an open palm to stop his approach as he said "What do you want?" Her reply "You need to stop the indistinct first of all"
At this point she has lost him.
He then turns and goes to the pick up and drops the tail gate to which she says
"No sir..............what are you doing trying to stick the dog on me ?"
Digging herself deeper.
The large dog is quiet at the back of the yard.
The ongoing conversation includes her telling him she is going to put him in cuffs.
Deeper and deeper.
Of course the man is upset, sending a female officer to a domestic isn't the wisest move in the first place, she could have held back and waited for back up to engage the man first, because she made a hash of it.
Perhaps there is more than a common language separating our two countries, it's a frame of mind, and as I said before, the chance anybody may be carrying a gun over there.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth