Dubya had his "catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor" which enabled his flood of new internal security powers and external belligerence. The current Administration will undoubtedly need something equivalent. We might like to try predicting what it could be before it happens.
Either it's going to take the form of a foreign provocation or an internal outrage.
A foreign provocation would involve either a nation-state or gross terrorism.
The nation-state option presumably involves WMD in order to be sufficiently shocking, and after the Iraq fiasco it has to be a single incident of a real deployed WMD.
Gross terrorism is a replay of 9/11 in that it involves a perception of foreigners, undoubtedly "Islamic Extremists", killing a lot of civilians within a single Homeland incident.
As for an internal outrage there really is only one which would stir things sufficiently to support a clampdown with new emergency powers, and that would involve the assassination of the President and the promotion of a presumably compromised Pence to the office.
Who here would like to extend the speculation.
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Could be the fear of turning into another Sweden ?
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I think Trump will nuke N. Korea. The US hasn't nuked anyone in a long time.
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More people say nice things about President Trump than say nice things about North Korea, but not by much. Both get a bad press. It would definitely show that the military chain of command was still taking orders though, something people might doubt at the moment.
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The reorganisation of the Pence administration is swift and thorough - this coup has had some planning. Congress and the Senate become effectively religious right. Key appointments are made in the FBI, CIA and other security organisations I don't know of to consolidate the hold on power. Creationism begins to be taught in School, and all schools have to set up Christian American Cadets which is invitation only, state funded and does lots of fun things like camping and learning to use guns right....
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1506921 wrote: Congress and the Senate become effectively religious right.That's been the case for as long as I can remember. Religious disengagement by a candidate for office has always prevented his or her election in America during the last, say, sixty years. If you're not visibly, demonstrably and self-professedly religious, if you don't attend church, you're not going to be a congressman, a senator or a President. I'd be interested to see a list of exceptions to that rule, it must be very short.
It's totally different in England, for example. Here, a Christian religious adherence is viewed more as an embarrassing peculiarity than as a requirement. Consider Tony Blair, for example - every time he mentioned God the nation cringed. It reached the point where Alistair Campbell had to interrupt him in public, if I remember right, saying "We don't do God".
It's totally different in England, for example. Here, a Christian religious adherence is viewed more as an embarrassing peculiarity than as a requirement. Consider Tony Blair, for example - every time he mentioned God the nation cringed. It reached the point where Alistair Campbell had to interrupt him in public, if I remember right, saying "We don't do God".
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(...if spot had been there at the Creation, when God said let there be light! he'd have been asking what colour...)
Ok: Congress and the Senate become so religiously right they override their Constitution and replace it with the Holy Bible. Pence has a gold phone installed on the While House desk and claims it is a hotline to God. He asks to be addressed in future as Arbiter of the Churches of God and calls a Crusade on the Holy land which turns out to be California. Every liberal, atheist and agnostic is burned at the stake. Muslims are deported to Iowa and forgotten.
Ok: Congress and the Senate become so religiously right they override their Constitution and replace it with the Holy Bible. Pence has a gold phone installed on the While House desk and claims it is a hotline to God. He asks to be addressed in future as Arbiter of the Churches of God and calls a Crusade on the Holy land which turns out to be California. Every liberal, atheist and agnostic is burned at the stake. Muslims are deported to Iowa and forgotten.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1506924 wrote: (...if spot had been there at the Creation
I was busy elsewhere that week and I said some harsh words later when I heard what had been going on. I still have no idea how we're going to clean up the mess.
I was busy elsewhere that week and I said some harsh words later when I heard what had been going on. I still have no idea how we're going to clean up the mess.
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spot;1506925 wrote: I was busy elsewhere that week and I said some harsh words later when I heard what had been going on. I still have no idea how we're going to clean up the mess.
What mess ? Creation ?
Like any funeral pyre..............................it will burn out.....eventually.
What mess ? Creation ?
Like any funeral pyre..............................it will burn out.....eventually.
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This all sounds like a workshop for future fake news.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1506932 wrote: This all sounds like a workshop for future fake news.
I'm really a secret propagandist for the BBC. These are the headlines for Feb 20th 2020 (an inauspicious date according to the ancient divination technique known as Tor Kin Ball Ox)
I'm really a secret propagandist for the BBC. These are the headlines for Feb 20th 2020 (an inauspicious date according to the ancient divination technique known as Tor Kin Ball Ox)
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Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1506924 wrote: (...if spot had been there at the Creation, when God said let there be light! he'd have been asking what colour...)
Ok: Congress and the Senate become so religiously right they override their Constitution and replace it with the Holy Bible. Pence has a gold phone installed on the While House desk and claims it is a hotline to God. He asks to be addressed in future as Arbiter of the Churches of God and calls a Crusade on the Holy land which turns out to be California. Every liberal, atheist and agnostic is burned at the stake. Muslims are deported to Iowa and forgotten.
Actually there appear to be enough people in thge US who believe the laws of god supercede the laws of man i.e.the constitution the concept of human rights and all being equal before the law and entitled to live life as they choose is not a concept they can understand or their faith allows them to countenance. The argument for slavery, against miscegenation and against the rights of women has always been been religious in it's basis logic isn't a featrure if I was american I would worry more about fundamentalist christians than muslims.
Mike Pence, Tim Kaine talk faith in most sincere debate moment - The San Diego Union-Tribune
He's entitle top his belief but to force them on everybody else because god tells him to is creepy.
I see no convincing evidence that spot actually exists as a real person far less that he was around when god turned the lights on but I ask you is it possible the dalmatian is his avatar?
Ok: Congress and the Senate become so religiously right they override their Constitution and replace it with the Holy Bible. Pence has a gold phone installed on the While House desk and claims it is a hotline to God. He asks to be addressed in future as Arbiter of the Churches of God and calls a Crusade on the Holy land which turns out to be California. Every liberal, atheist and agnostic is burned at the stake. Muslims are deported to Iowa and forgotten.
Actually there appear to be enough people in thge US who believe the laws of god supercede the laws of man i.e.the constitution the concept of human rights and all being equal before the law and entitled to live life as they choose is not a concept they can understand or their faith allows them to countenance. The argument for slavery, against miscegenation and against the rights of women has always been been religious in it's basis logic isn't a featrure if I was american I would worry more about fundamentalist christians than muslims.
Mike Pence, Tim Kaine talk faith in most sincere debate moment - The San Diego Union-Tribune
He's entitle top his belief but to force them on everybody else because god tells him to is creepy.
I see no convincing evidence that spot actually exists as a real person far less that he was around when god turned the lights on but I ask you is it possible the dalmatian is his avatar?
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I see no convincing evidence that spot actually exists as a real person far less that he was around when god turned the lights on but I ask you is it possible the dalmatian is his avatar?
I met him once, with a reliable witness (Betty). He claimed to be spot but he looked very like some depictions of god, particularly in the film Dogma - beardy, hair making off in all directions, slightly disturbing sense of humour... It wouldn't altogether surprise me if His prophet was a Dalmation. That's not too bad. It's if he starts referring to Himself as Singularity rather than spot that I'll get worried.
We could try Thee and Thou-ing him a bit, chuck in a few Holies, see how he reacts?
Perhaps they do God testing kits at Boots? Or Homebase?
I met him once, with a reliable witness (Betty). He claimed to be spot but he looked very like some depictions of god, particularly in the film Dogma - beardy, hair making off in all directions, slightly disturbing sense of humour... It wouldn't altogether surprise me if His prophet was a Dalmation. That's not too bad. It's if he starts referring to Himself as Singularity rather than spot that I'll get worried.
We could try Thee and Thou-ing him a bit, chuck in a few Holies, see how he reacts?
Perhaps they do God testing kits at Boots? Or Homebase?
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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Clodhopper;1506946 wrote: I met him once, with a reliable witness (Betty). He claimed to be spot but he looked very like some depictions of god, particularly in the film Dogma - beardy, hair making off in all directions, slightly disturbing sense of humour... It wouldn't altogether surprise me if His prophet was a Dalmation. That's not too bad. It's if he starts referring to Himself as Singularity rather than spot that I'll get worried.
We could try Thee and Thou-ing him a bit, chuck in a few Holies, see how he reacts?
Perhaps they do God testing kits at Boots? Or Homebase?
Well he's not responding so he's duly enigmatic as you'd expect. If the dalmatian is his avatar what do you think his licking his anus and balls signifies? You can overthink this sort of stuff and find meaning where none exists.
We could try Thee and Thou-ing him a bit, chuck in a few Holies, see how he reacts?
Perhaps they do God testing kits at Boots? Or Homebase?
Well he's not responding so he's duly enigmatic as you'd expect. If the dalmatian is his avatar what do you think his licking his anus and balls signifies? You can overthink this sort of stuff and find meaning where none exists.
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Bruv;1506900 wrote: Could be the fear of turning into another Sweden ?
949. Trump and Sweden terror attack (2/25/2017)
On 2/15 and 2/18, I wrote two articles, predicted the Feds(FBI and DEA)would frame a drug case on 2/19 and they would distract public's attention by natural disaster- flooding caused by storm and dam collapsing.
(947) Why Trump kneels to China (2/15/2017)
(948) Frame a case on 2/19 (2/18/2017)
Now I would say my view is very accurate. The Feds not only planed to distract with natural disaster, but also planed a terror attack in Europe - a "Sweden terror attack" that caused controversy.
Sweden to Trump: What happened last night?
19 February 2017
"You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39020962949.
The Sweden terror attack(likely designated to take place on 2/17 night) was cancelled after I revealed(on 2/15) a secret deal of drug case was done by Trump and Chinese secret police. Trump didn't know. On 2/18 morning, He declared a "terror attack last night in Sweden" to their original plan.(Obviously the foreign plot and domestic plot are controlled by different groups)Thus made such a big mistake.
It's funny how the Feds followers tried to cover up that mistake Trump had made. No matter how bad your English are, it's hard to explain "what's happening last night in Sweden". The similar story I remembered is that BBC had reported the WTC 7 collapsing news before it actually happening.
The tactic they used are familiar for us. In 2005, there was a terror case in Europe - 7/7 London under railway bombing, then followed by 8/29 hurricane Katrina and drown of New Orleans. Compare with recent one: 2/17, a terror case in Sweden, Europe.(cancelled, but Trump's speech proved the plan.) 2/19, flooding in California, possible dam collapsing.(didn't happen after plan cancelled)
Powerful storm takes aim at Southern California - CNN.com
... California as dangerous storm moves in; Residents south of Oroville Dam should stay alert as storm passes ... expect heavier rain late Sunday(2/19) and ...
BBC Reports 911, WTC 7 Collapse BEFORE it Happens
949. Trump and Sweden terror attack (2/25/2017)
On 2/15 and 2/18, I wrote two articles, predicted the Feds(FBI and DEA)would frame a drug case on 2/19 and they would distract public's attention by natural disaster- flooding caused by storm and dam collapsing.
(947) Why Trump kneels to China (2/15/2017)
(948) Frame a case on 2/19 (2/18/2017)
Now I would say my view is very accurate. The Feds not only planed to distract with natural disaster, but also planed a terror attack in Europe - a "Sweden terror attack" that caused controversy.
Sweden to Trump: What happened last night?
19 February 2017
"You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39020962949.
The Sweden terror attack(likely designated to take place on 2/17 night) was cancelled after I revealed(on 2/15) a secret deal of drug case was done by Trump and Chinese secret police. Trump didn't know. On 2/18 morning, He declared a "terror attack last night in Sweden" to their original plan.(Obviously the foreign plot and domestic plot are controlled by different groups)Thus made such a big mistake.
It's funny how the Feds followers tried to cover up that mistake Trump had made. No matter how bad your English are, it's hard to explain "what's happening last night in Sweden". The similar story I remembered is that BBC had reported the WTC 7 collapsing news before it actually happening.
The tactic they used are familiar for us. In 2005, there was a terror case in Europe - 7/7 London under railway bombing, then followed by 8/29 hurricane Katrina and drown of New Orleans. Compare with recent one: 2/17, a terror case in Sweden, Europe.(cancelled, but Trump's speech proved the plan.) 2/19, flooding in California, possible dam collapsing.(didn't happen after plan cancelled)
Powerful storm takes aim at Southern California - CNN.com
... California as dangerous storm moves in; Residents south of Oroville Dam should stay alert as storm passes ... expect heavier rain late Sunday(2/19) and ...
BBC Reports 911, WTC 7 Collapse BEFORE it Happens
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947. Why Trump kneels to China (2/15/2017)
Trump has said "US doesn't 'have to be bound' by 'one China' policy." But he abruptly changes the tone.
Trump Just Promised To Respect The “One China†Policy: Here’s What That Means
James Holbrooks FEBRUARY 11, 2017
President Donald Trump, according to official statements, has agreed to change course and abide by the ‘One China’ policy.
Now, with Trump seemingly succumbing to the will of the Chinese leader, many analysts are saying the new U.S. president has lost serious face.
“There is certainly a way of negotiating with the Chinese, but threats concerning fundamental, core interests are counterproductive from the get-go,†he said. “The end result is that Trump just confirmed to the world that he is a paper tiger, a zhilaohu — someone that seems threatening but is wholly ineffectual and unable to stomach a challenge.â€
Trump Just Promised To Respect The "One China" Policy: Here's What That Means
What makes Trump bend to China? He has to follow his master - FBI's order to make another secret deal with China. He did one in November 2016,
11/14/2016, Trump confirmed the secret deal with Chinese leader in a phone call.
11/15/2016, Payment to confirm the deal. China's most-wanted corruption suspect returned to China from the United States on Wednesday after turning herself in. (see #935)
That secret deal (frame a drug case to eliminate Kat Sung and his relatives) failed to go through. Now something happens that the Feds hurries up for a new deal.
2/8/2017, Trump wrote a letter to Chinese president Xi.
2/9/2017, Trump, in phone call with China's Xi, agrees to honor 'One China' policy.
2/10/2017, Payment to confirm the new deal.
China says gets another graft suspect back from U.S.
By Reuters 10 February 2017
BEIJING, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Another Chinese corruption suspect who had fled to the United States has given herself up and returned home, the ruling Communist Party's anti-graft watchdog said on Friday, in a further victory for China's overseas hunt for fugitive officials.
China says gets another graft suspect back from U.S. | Daily Mail Online
The framed case likely follows the old style - a drug smuggling case organized by Chinese secret police and will break out in US - may be as early as this month.
948. Frame a case on 2/19 (2/18/2017)
Feds have their agents scattered in web sites to control public opinion in Internet. You can see such phenomenon especially in 2016 president election when Clinton was attacked and Trump was praised.
There is such a team member in forum Liveleak. com. whose user's name is jaxmeov. Jaxmeov pretends friendly with me. Last month she had a message that I thought an intimidation that they will eliminate my relatives and I.
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d) something tragic happened to his family and he continues to "see" them when, in fact, they exist only in his head and he cannot come to grips with it.
e) this has all been planned and they are preparing for the day that he keeps warning us about.
Hang in there, Kat. Just don't do anything stupid and you should be fine.
This month jaxmeov talked about Ben Gu. It's unusual. She must be very familiar with the framed case.
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And it is good your brother in law is Ben Gu and not Ben Gay!
Ben Gu is my brother in law. I always think he is the target of the Feds and repeated allegation many times in this thread. Here is quote from #646.
"Starts from 9/16, San Jose Mercury News forecasts that there will be a rain on Sunday, 9/19. It's unusual because it's still summer - the dry season. The tactic is the old one. China will supply the drug. The drug will be planted in the shipment of umbrella. To frame B (my brother in law) in the case, there must be a rain day on week ends. B has to work on week-ends while his employees are on holiday. That unusual rain is an urge to B. It's time to order an umbrella shipment from China. The similar story acted again and again and again. Even the action of one of the payments -Thailand regime change, had played several times. There is one thing new here: the $40 billion contract to build high-speed railway is likely the next reward to China."
The third storm of this week in San Francisco area will arrive on 2/19 - Sunday. Since the Feds used to distract public by big event, I worry they may destroy a dam to create a big disaster.
Damaged dam threatens Northern California towns
Yahoo News February 16, 2017
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oroville-dam ... 18636.html
My wife's car had an accident and has to be left in her company. I view this as a trick of unwarrantable search.
Trump has said "US doesn't 'have to be bound' by 'one China' policy." But he abruptly changes the tone.
Trump Just Promised To Respect The “One China†Policy: Here’s What That Means
James Holbrooks FEBRUARY 11, 2017
President Donald Trump, according to official statements, has agreed to change course and abide by the ‘One China’ policy.
Now, with Trump seemingly succumbing to the will of the Chinese leader, many analysts are saying the new U.S. president has lost serious face.
“There is certainly a way of negotiating with the Chinese, but threats concerning fundamental, core interests are counterproductive from the get-go,†he said. “The end result is that Trump just confirmed to the world that he is a paper tiger, a zhilaohu — someone that seems threatening but is wholly ineffectual and unable to stomach a challenge.â€
Trump Just Promised To Respect The "One China" Policy: Here's What That Means
What makes Trump bend to China? He has to follow his master - FBI's order to make another secret deal with China. He did one in November 2016,
11/14/2016, Trump confirmed the secret deal with Chinese leader in a phone call.
11/15/2016, Payment to confirm the deal. China's most-wanted corruption suspect returned to China from the United States on Wednesday after turning herself in. (see #935)
That secret deal (frame a drug case to eliminate Kat Sung and his relatives) failed to go through. Now something happens that the Feds hurries up for a new deal.
2/8/2017, Trump wrote a letter to Chinese president Xi.
2/9/2017, Trump, in phone call with China's Xi, agrees to honor 'One China' policy.
2/10/2017, Payment to confirm the new deal.
China says gets another graft suspect back from U.S.
By Reuters 10 February 2017
BEIJING, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Another Chinese corruption suspect who had fled to the United States has given herself up and returned home, the ruling Communist Party's anti-graft watchdog said on Friday, in a further victory for China's overseas hunt for fugitive officials.
China says gets another graft suspect back from U.S. | Daily Mail Online
The framed case likely follows the old style - a drug smuggling case organized by Chinese secret police and will break out in US - may be as early as this month.
948. Frame a case on 2/19 (2/18/2017)
Feds have their agents scattered in web sites to control public opinion in Internet. You can see such phenomenon especially in 2016 president election when Clinton was attacked and Trump was praised.
There is such a team member in forum Liveleak. com. whose user's name is jaxmeov. Jaxmeov pretends friendly with me. Last month she had a message that I thought an intimidation that they will eliminate my relatives and I.
01-06-2017, 10:44 AM #78
jaxmeov Location: Los Angeles, CA
d) something tragic happened to his family and he continues to "see" them when, in fact, they exist only in his head and he cannot come to grips with it.
e) this has all been planned and they are preparing for the day that he keeps warning us about.
Hang in there, Kat. Just don't do anything stupid and you should be fine.
This month jaxmeov talked about Ben Gu. It's unusual. She must be very familiar with the framed case.
02-04-2017, 07:44 AM #87
jaxmeov
And it is good your brother in law is Ben Gu and not Ben Gay!
Ben Gu is my brother in law. I always think he is the target of the Feds and repeated allegation many times in this thread. Here is quote from #646.
"Starts from 9/16, San Jose Mercury News forecasts that there will be a rain on Sunday, 9/19. It's unusual because it's still summer - the dry season. The tactic is the old one. China will supply the drug. The drug will be planted in the shipment of umbrella. To frame B (my brother in law) in the case, there must be a rain day on week ends. B has to work on week-ends while his employees are on holiday. That unusual rain is an urge to B. It's time to order an umbrella shipment from China. The similar story acted again and again and again. Even the action of one of the payments -Thailand regime change, had played several times. There is one thing new here: the $40 billion contract to build high-speed railway is likely the next reward to China."
The third storm of this week in San Francisco area will arrive on 2/19 - Sunday. Since the Feds used to distract public by big event, I worry they may destroy a dam to create a big disaster.
Damaged dam threatens Northern California towns
Yahoo News February 16, 2017
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oroville-dam ... 18636.html
My wife's car had an accident and has to be left in her company. I view this as a trick of unwarrantable search.
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950. Big slaughter to distract elimination case (3/4/2017)
The contradictory flaw Trump made on "Sweden terrorist attacks" is similar to that BBC"s report on the collapse of WTC7(in 9/11) before it happens.
Be noticed that there would be a large casualties if the plan had gone through. Trump said, "They took in large numbers".
I was once wondered how many people could they kill in 2/19 California flooding. It seemed not too many if it was only a collapse of a dam. Later I knew it was a much big slaughter in their plan.
Possible norovirus outbreak reported at Oroville evacuation shelter
By Alyssa Pereira, San Francisco Chronicle Monday, February 20, 2017
Between 20-30 Oroville Dam evacuees at the Silver Dollar Shelter in Chico, California are reportedly exhibiting symptoms of norovirus, reports The Sacramento Bee.
Norovirus symptoms typically include vomiting, stomach pain, diarrhea, and nausea. It is highly contagious, and is spread by touching or ingesting items contaminated with the virus. The effects of the virus can be more extreme in children and senior adults.
Possible norovirus outbreak reported at Oroville evacuation shelter - SFGate
Bill Gates Warns Of Epidemic That Could Kill Over 30 Million People
FEB 19, 2017 Bruce Y. Lee ,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... 8a56885229
If the Feds had been successful in their framed drug case plot, there would have been a dam collapse and break out of epidemic thereafter. The death toll would have been up-graded each day to panic public over that small elimination case. Watch the date of the news of Bill Gate's warning. It's not a coincidence.
951. New plot on 3/15? (3/10/2017)
For the 2/19/2017 framed case, Trump administration sent a China most wanted fugitive back to China. (see #947)
Yesterday they did it again which may mean the FBI hurriedly organize another plot.
One of China's "most-wanted" fugitives returns from U.S. to surrender
Reuters Reuters March 9, 2017
BEIJING (Reuters) - A former employee of a state-owned newspaper who figured among China's 100 "most-wanted" fugitives has returned from the United States to turn himself in, the top anti-graft body said on Thursday, as China mapped out its strategy on fugitives in 2017.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-chinas-m ... 48247.html
The new plot likely would happen on 3/14 or 3/15 when The Federal Reserve plans to raise rates "if the economy cooperates". Since the FBI used to prepare a big event to distract public attention, they can develop a financial storm by poping up the balloon of stock market and housing market with that rising interest rate.
This week, W.S. came to my house twice at night.She talked with my wife at doorway in darkness. I allege W.S. is an agent of Chinese secret police (see #668, #669 and #724. Frame a case of Chinese intelligence link) Her presence always link to some attempt framed case. So be this time.
see #668,#669 and #724 at: How the Feds persecute people - Page 3
The contradictory flaw Trump made on "Sweden terrorist attacks" is similar to that BBC"s report on the collapse of WTC7(in 9/11) before it happens.
Be noticed that there would be a large casualties if the plan had gone through. Trump said, "They took in large numbers".
I was once wondered how many people could they kill in 2/19 California flooding. It seemed not too many if it was only a collapse of a dam. Later I knew it was a much big slaughter in their plan.
Possible norovirus outbreak reported at Oroville evacuation shelter
By Alyssa Pereira, San Francisco Chronicle Monday, February 20, 2017
Between 20-30 Oroville Dam evacuees at the Silver Dollar Shelter in Chico, California are reportedly exhibiting symptoms of norovirus, reports The Sacramento Bee.
Norovirus symptoms typically include vomiting, stomach pain, diarrhea, and nausea. It is highly contagious, and is spread by touching or ingesting items contaminated with the virus. The effects of the virus can be more extreme in children and senior adults.
Possible norovirus outbreak reported at Oroville evacuation shelter - SFGate
Bill Gates Warns Of Epidemic That Could Kill Over 30 Million People
FEB 19, 2017 Bruce Y. Lee ,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... 8a56885229
If the Feds had been successful in their framed drug case plot, there would have been a dam collapse and break out of epidemic thereafter. The death toll would have been up-graded each day to panic public over that small elimination case. Watch the date of the news of Bill Gate's warning. It's not a coincidence.
951. New plot on 3/15? (3/10/2017)
For the 2/19/2017 framed case, Trump administration sent a China most wanted fugitive back to China. (see #947)
Yesterday they did it again which may mean the FBI hurriedly organize another plot.
One of China's "most-wanted" fugitives returns from U.S. to surrender
Reuters Reuters March 9, 2017
BEIJING (Reuters) - A former employee of a state-owned newspaper who figured among China's 100 "most-wanted" fugitives has returned from the United States to turn himself in, the top anti-graft body said on Thursday, as China mapped out its strategy on fugitives in 2017.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-chinas-m ... 48247.html
The new plot likely would happen on 3/14 or 3/15 when The Federal Reserve plans to raise rates "if the economy cooperates". Since the FBI used to prepare a big event to distract public attention, they can develop a financial storm by poping up the balloon of stock market and housing market with that rising interest rate.
This week, W.S. came to my house twice at night.She talked with my wife at doorway in darkness. I allege W.S. is an agent of Chinese secret police (see #668, #669 and #724. Frame a case of Chinese intelligence link) Her presence always link to some attempt framed case. So be this time.
see #668,#669 and #724 at: How the Feds persecute people - Page 3
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AnneBoleyn;1506902 wrote: I think Trump will nuke N. Korea. The US hasn't nuked anyone in a long time.
BITE YOUR TONGUE! Don't say stuff like that out loud, Ann! It might come true! Oh, and by the way, Japan was asking for it....but that still makes us the only country crazy enough to have nuked another country in history.
BITE YOUR TONGUE! Don't say stuff like that out loud, Ann! It might come true! Oh, and by the way, Japan was asking for it....but that still makes us the only country crazy enough to have nuked another country in history.
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Saint_;1507853 wrote: BITE YOUR TONGUE! Don't say stuff like that out loud, Ann! It might come true! Oh, and by the way, Japan was asking for it....but that still makes us the only country crazy enough to have nuked another country in history.
Meanwhile shortening that war and saving an untold number of US military and Japanese civilian lives
Meanwhile shortening that war and saving an untold number of US military and Japanese civilian lives
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1507862 wrote: Meanwhile shortening that war and saving an untold number of US military and Japanese civilian lives
Not according to the history books. The war would have been over before the bombs were dropped had the US engaged Japan in discussing terms of surrender when the leaders of Japan were trying to bring things to an end. No such channel was enabled.
Not according to the history books. The war would have been over before the bombs were dropped had the US engaged Japan in discussing terms of surrender when the leaders of Japan were trying to bring things to an end. No such channel was enabled.
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spot;1507870 wrote: Not according to the history books. The war would have been over before the bombs were dropped had the US engaged Japan in discussing terms of surrender when the leaders of Japan were trying to bring things to an end. No such channel was enabled.
I don't think it's that clear cut. While iirc you are correct there was a channel that was not fully used the Japanese authorities were still fighting among themselves about how to respond, there was a huge amount of suspicion and outright hatred on both sides at the end of a very horrible and long war not to mention the simple open racist assumptions that existed then much more powerfully. All the while the timetable for the enormous amphibious invasion ticked inexorably on and you couldn't easily say stop! wait! to the preparations and the casualty estimates for both sides were horrendous in the extreme (and given by this time the US had a lot of experience of amphibious invasion against the Japanese it's hard to argue convincingly against them).
The dropping of the A-bombs was a tragedy no doubt. So was the firebombing of Tokyo and the treatment of prisoners by the Japanese and much else in that horrible war.
I don't think it's that clear cut. While iirc you are correct there was a channel that was not fully used the Japanese authorities were still fighting among themselves about how to respond, there was a huge amount of suspicion and outright hatred on both sides at the end of a very horrible and long war not to mention the simple open racist assumptions that existed then much more powerfully. All the while the timetable for the enormous amphibious invasion ticked inexorably on and you couldn't easily say stop! wait! to the preparations and the casualty estimates for both sides were horrendous in the extreme (and given by this time the US had a lot of experience of amphibious invasion against the Japanese it's hard to argue convincingly against them).
The dropping of the A-bombs was a tragedy no doubt. So was the firebombing of Tokyo and the treatment of prisoners by the Japanese and much else in that horrible war.
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One wonders why America imposed its trade bans and shipping embargoes between 1938 and 1940 then. 74% of Japanese iron imports were US exports, as was 80% of its oil. Both were cut off completely by order of Roosevelt's White House.
I don't imagine many people think Pearl Harbor would have been bombed had those embargoes not been imposed. They affected Japan's strategic interest.
I'd say the War in the Pacific was triggered by America. By all means call it a horrible war but acknowledge responsibility for it breaking out in the first place.
I don't imagine many people think Pearl Harbor would have been bombed had those embargoes not been imposed. They affected Japan's strategic interest.
I'd say the War in the Pacific was triggered by America. By all means call it a horrible war but acknowledge responsibility for it breaking out in the first place.
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Clodhopper;1506946 wrote: I met him once, with a reliable witness (Betty). He claimed to be spot but he looked very like some depictions of god, particularly in the film Dogma - beardy, hair making off in all directions, slightly disturbing sense of humour... It wouldn't altogether surprise me if His prophet was a Dalmation. That's not too bad. It's if he starts referring to Himself as Singularity rather than spot that I'll get worried.
We could try Thee and Thou-ing him a bit, chuck in a few Holies, see how he reacts?
Perhaps they do God testing kits at Boots? Or Homebase?
Spot looks like Alanis Morissette? Yikes.
We could try Thee and Thou-ing him a bit, chuck in a few Holies, see how he reacts?
Perhaps they do God testing kits at Boots? Or Homebase?
Spot looks like Alanis Morissette? Yikes.
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spot;1507993 wrote: One wonders why America imposed its trade bans and shipping embargoes between 1938 and 1940 then. 74% of Japanese iron imports were US exports, as was 80% of its oil. Both were cut off completely by order of Roosevelt's White House.
I don't imagine many people think Pearl Harbor would have been bombed had those embargoes not been imposed. They affected Japan's strategic interest.
I'd say the War in the Pacific was triggered by America. By all means call it a horrible war but acknowledge responsibility for it breaking out in the first place.
Japan was already at war with all her neighbors. The US did not have to aid in the attacks on her neighbors, much of it resulting in horrible consequences for the civilian population. The Japanese were brutal arrogant racist bastards.
It is a stretch to accuse the US of starting that war.
I don't imagine many people think Pearl Harbor would have been bombed had those embargoes not been imposed. They affected Japan's strategic interest.
I'd say the War in the Pacific was triggered by America. By all means call it a horrible war but acknowledge responsibility for it breaking out in the first place.
Japan was already at war with all her neighbors. The US did not have to aid in the attacks on her neighbors, much of it resulting in horrible consequences for the civilian population. The Japanese were brutal arrogant racist bastards.
It is a stretch to accuse the US of starting that war.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Not for Spot.
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tude dog;1507996 wrote: Japan was already at war with all her neighbors. The US did not have to aid in the attacks on her neighbors, much of it resulting in horrible consequences for the civilian population. The Japanese were brutal arrogant racist bastards.
It is a stretch to accuse the US of starting that war.
Damn right, "not for Spot". You said it yourself, "The US did not have to aid in the attacks on her neighbors". It was a deliberate choice of Roosevelt's White House to interfere in a matter over which the US had no natural, moral or legal jurisdiction. Like Iraq, and Libya, and Syrian. Like Nicaragua and Grenada and Vietnam. Keep writing the names of countries as they come to you.
The policy is called American Exceptionalism and it slaughters foreigners in exchange for a higher domestic standard of living.
We might consider the consequence of engaging with Japan. The victory of the Chinese Communists over the Nationalists by 1949, for example. Had Japan not been deprived of oil and iron and obliged to divert its armed forces toward America, 30 million Chinese wouldn't have died in the 1960s when Mao unleashed his power struggle for the Party. All of that happened because of Roosevelt's interference.
It is a stretch to accuse the US of starting that war.
Damn right, "not for Spot". You said it yourself, "The US did not have to aid in the attacks on her neighbors". It was a deliberate choice of Roosevelt's White House to interfere in a matter over which the US had no natural, moral or legal jurisdiction. Like Iraq, and Libya, and Syrian. Like Nicaragua and Grenada and Vietnam. Keep writing the names of countries as they come to you.
The policy is called American Exceptionalism and it slaughters foreigners in exchange for a higher domestic standard of living.
We might consider the consequence of engaging with Japan. The victory of the Chinese Communists over the Nationalists by 1949, for example. Had Japan not been deprived of oil and iron and obliged to divert its armed forces toward America, 30 million Chinese wouldn't have died in the 1960s when Mao unleashed his power struggle for the Party. All of that happened because of Roosevelt's interference.
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There was nowhere else Japan could make up for the oil and iron shortage?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,â€
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Ahso!;1508006 wrote: There was nowhere else Japan could make up for the oil and iron shortage?
Nevermind! I found the details. The English and Dutch had also imposed an embargo against Japan.
And here I thought FDR was one of the good guys. After learning of his dislike for Japan, he might have done what Truman did anyway. I had previously thought: if only FDR hadn't died!
Nevermind! I found the details. The English and Dutch had also imposed an embargo against Japan.
And here I thought FDR was one of the good guys. After learning of his dislike for Japan, he might have done what Truman did anyway. I had previously thought: if only FDR hadn't died!
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spot;1508004 wrote: Damn right, "not for Spot". You said it yourself, "The US did not have to aid in the attacks on her neighbors". It was a deliberate choice of Roosevelt's White House to interfere in a matter over which the US had no natural, moral or legal jurisdiction.
Exactly, and the US did not interfere. The US did nothing to stop the terrorism like the Nanking Massacre. The Japanese did that kind of thing all over the people they conquered.
Seems Japan got a pass for doing the same kind of things their ally Nazi Germany.
Welcome to the Eurocentric POV.
Exactly, and the US did not interfere. The US did nothing to stop the terrorism like the Nanking Massacre. The Japanese did that kind of thing all over the people they conquered.
Seems Japan got a pass for doing the same kind of things their ally Nazi Germany.
Welcome to the Eurocentric POV.
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Japan had been condemned in the League of Nations for its invasion of China in 1937 or thereabouts. Japan was widely believed to have faked the Marco Polo bridge incident that started it even back then. Countries were supposed to embargo Japan, which had gone thoroughly militaristic in the previous decades. Much of the blame there has to go to the victorious powers after WW1 who pretty much ignored Japan's contributions on blatantly racist grounds.
However, Japan did not have to go militaristic. Their reasons for doing so largely centred around their God Emperor and Japanese exceptionalism. Perhaps the extent to which they had changed shows in their treatment of prisoners. In WW1 they had been noted for their courteous treatment of prisoners. Not so in WW2...
However, Japan did not have to go militaristic. Their reasons for doing so largely centred around their God Emperor and Japanese exceptionalism. Perhaps the extent to which they had changed shows in their treatment of prisoners. In WW1 they had been noted for their courteous treatment of prisoners. Not so in WW2...
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Don't mention the idea of God Emperor to Trumpolini, he's very family oriented.
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I wrote this message 4 months ago. Unfortunately it becomes truth.
934. Trump, Bush and the return of Tony Blair(11/23/2016)
The president election of 2016 is similar to the 2000 one. Both were rigged to escort the puppets of the Feds to take the president seat. I say so because both happened under the term of Democrat's regime and the economy are pretty well too. In 2000, Bill Clinton left with a rare budget surplus for next president. Barak Obama has having a nice employment rate - 5%. There is hardly a reason to change the ruling party. Yet the Feds have other purpose and they control the election, So we saw the controversial events. To create unreasonable victory of the campaign, they had to make it a tied one. Bush won the election on the controversial Florida votes which depended on the decision of Supreme Court. Trump won a controversial election which caused countrywide protests, the Feds later have to say Hillary Clinton won popular votes to comfort people. They manipulate the voting number at their convenience.
They did so because they had big plan plotted already. The two election also got everything ready for the puppet president to carry out their mission. That is the full control of the Senate and the House. The plan would pass easily in legislative - both controlled by Republican Party. Now we know for Bush's job it was war in Mid-East and 9/11 attack. What will it be for Donald Trump? Here is a news when Trump is interviewing the candidate of his cabinet.
Eurosceptics welcome Tony Blair's political comeback and Brexit intervention
Laura Hughes 21 NOVEMBER 2016
Tony Blair’s plan to make a comeback to political life by spearheading an anti-Brexit group was last night welcomed by Eurosceptics who said it would increase public support for leaving the EU.
Eurosceptics welcome Tony Blair's political comeback and Brexit interventionÂ
Tony Blair is notorious for his role in Iraq war. Does this mean there will be another war- on Syria, or on Iran? Or another style of war- to split Euro zone?
When they say it's those "low educated white people" who lost their jobs voted Trump to his president seat, do you feel the conflict of that this is the time of full employment (5% unemployment rate)?
Stand high to see these two president elections (2000, 2016) with the return of Tony Blair, you may see how the Feds manipulate the election to chose politicians to control this world.
934. Trump, Bush and the return of Tony Blair(11/23/2016)
The president election of 2016 is similar to the 2000 one. Both were rigged to escort the puppets of the Feds to take the president seat. I say so because both happened under the term of Democrat's regime and the economy are pretty well too. In 2000, Bill Clinton left with a rare budget surplus for next president. Barak Obama has having a nice employment rate - 5%. There is hardly a reason to change the ruling party. Yet the Feds have other purpose and they control the election, So we saw the controversial events. To create unreasonable victory of the campaign, they had to make it a tied one. Bush won the election on the controversial Florida votes which depended on the decision of Supreme Court. Trump won a controversial election which caused countrywide protests, the Feds later have to say Hillary Clinton won popular votes to comfort people. They manipulate the voting number at their convenience.
They did so because they had big plan plotted already. The two election also got everything ready for the puppet president to carry out their mission. That is the full control of the Senate and the House. The plan would pass easily in legislative - both controlled by Republican Party. Now we know for Bush's job it was war in Mid-East and 9/11 attack. What will it be for Donald Trump? Here is a news when Trump is interviewing the candidate of his cabinet.
Eurosceptics welcome Tony Blair's political comeback and Brexit intervention
Laura Hughes 21 NOVEMBER 2016
Tony Blair’s plan to make a comeback to political life by spearheading an anti-Brexit group was last night welcomed by Eurosceptics who said it would increase public support for leaving the EU.
Eurosceptics welcome Tony Blair's political comeback and Brexit interventionÂ
Tony Blair is notorious for his role in Iraq war. Does this mean there will be another war- on Syria, or on Iran? Or another style of war- to split Euro zone?
When they say it's those "low educated white people" who lost their jobs voted Trump to his president seat, do you feel the conflict of that this is the time of full employment (5% unemployment rate)?
Stand high to see these two president elections (2000, 2016) with the return of Tony Blair, you may see how the Feds manipulate the election to chose politicians to control this world.
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Why do you waste your tuime with daft conspiracy theories what is actually happening is more incredible than anything you could make up. It's like living in avery bad political novel.
Trumpo and the reopublicans have just taken the first steps to undo all the protections the US constitution gives to it's citizens and impose a right wing christian fascist system of government and you haven't even noticed.
Trumpo and the reopublicans have just taken the first steps to undo all the protections the US constitution gives to it's citizens and impose a right wing christian fascist system of government and you haven't even noticed.
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gmc;1508306 wrote: Why do you waste your tuime with daft conspiracy theories what is actually happening is more incredible than anything you could make up. It's like living in avery bad political novel.
Trumpo and the reopublicans have just taken the first steps to undo all the protections the US constitution gives to it's citizens and impose a right wing christian fascist system of government and you haven't even noticed.
When you've put a huge mount of time and effort into constructing something and you've then spent hours polishing it, warding off anything that could dent it, fondly attaching anything that might strengthen it...well, it's tough to just junk it. Even when you should.
Trumpo and the reopublicans have just taken the first steps to undo all the protections the US constitution gives to it's citizens and impose a right wing christian fascist system of government and you haven't even noticed.
When you've put a huge mount of time and effort into constructing something and you've then spent hours polishing it, warding off anything that could dent it, fondly attaching anything that might strengthen it...well, it's tough to just junk it. Even when you should.
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