Will President Trump run for a second term?

[Bruv]

Clodhopper;1509638 wrote: There was nothing of substance anywhere in it and with trumpolini not apparently accessing his twitter (does he know you can, outside the States?)


They probably confiscated his phone to protect world peace.

[HarryH]

spot;1509641 wrote: I'd quite like to read it, if you know of an online copy.


That would require multiple links.

1st is Article 3 Avalon Project - NATO Treaty; April 4, 1949 it states that "will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack."


After the fall of the wall, many NATO countries began decreasing defense budgets. That resulted in the 2006 "non" binding agreement http://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2006/s060608m.htm

Finally, I should add that Allies through the comprehensive political guidance have committed to endeavour, to meet the 2% target of GDP devoted to defence spending. Let me be clear, this is not a hard commitment that they will do it. But it is a commitment to work towards it. And that will be a first within the Alliance. So there was, I think, quite substantial developments in the first two meetings.




As the U.S. started backing out of the Middle East and reducing spending, many allies took that as a sign to do the same and began a reduction in spending. Hence the 2014 "non" binding agreement http://www.nato.int/cps/ic/natohq/offic ... 112964.htm (Section 14)

The U.S. needs to reduce defense spending imo, and should begin a pullback of forward deployed units and equipment. Any savings from this pullback could immediately be used for infrastructure project, which would promote job growth, wages and thereby tax base. Note: I am not talking in this case about reducing size of force, but rather the difference between cost of forward deployment versus cost of stateside deployment.

[spot]

HarryH;1509650 wrote: Hence the 2014 "non" binding agreement http://www.nato.int/cps/ic/natohq/offic ... 112964.htm (Section 14)

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I can see that "Allies currently meeting the NATO guideline to spend a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence will aim to continue to do so", but nothing in any of the links to suggest an agreement by any nation to maintain level above 2% even though they may presently be spending more. it was your suggestion

HarryH;1509637 wrote: The agreement stipulates that countries at or above 2%, should maintain those levels. The U.S. would need to maintain the current percent to GDP.


which I could find no indication of.

[HarryH]

spot;1509655 wrote: I can see that "Allies currently meeting the NATO guideline to spend a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence will aim to continue to do so", but nothing in any of the links to suggest an agreement by any nation to maintain level above 2% even though they may presently be spending more. it was your suggestion



which I could find no indication of.


Not sure what part of Article III you are struggling with.

[spot]

HarryH;1509660 wrote: Not sure what part of Article III you are struggling with.


You mean the word "maintain"? In 1949?

"maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack has nothing to do with GDP or spending, "capacity to resist armed attack" looks much more like a commitment to improve the quality of equipment and training. I think you're taking that phrase out of context.

[HarryH]

spot;1509661 wrote: I think you're taking that phrase out of context.


Hey, I'm all for it. Bring 'em home now.

[Clodhopper]

Article from the Washington Post about Trump's current situation and his team's plans:

Trump considers major changes amid escalating Russia crisis

A part that particularly struck me was this quotation: “At first, I thought the president was fretting too much about this, said Ruddy, who is chief executive of Newsmax Media and a member of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla. “But it keeps growing like a bad fungus, even though there’s nothing there.

What strikes me about it is that although Ruddy is trying to say Trump is completely innocent, Trump's reaction exactly fits that of someone who knows there IS something there for the FBI's investigation into possible Russian links to find. Add that to things like Kushner's apparent wish for secure secret links to Putin and frankly it doesn't look good. Perhaps it's all coincidence...

[tude dog]

Donald Trump PUSHES The Prime Minister Dusko Markovic Of Monte***** To Be In Front of Group



(FG does not like the country of Monten*gro.)

[G#Gill]

Now what has Trump done ???? !!!!! He has withdrawn America from the Paris Agreement on Global Warming. He reckons it is damaging America's economy, and that the world is laughing at America ! Sorry Trump, but your actions will encourage the world to NOW laugh at America for voting in such a dangerous clown.

I tell you what Trump, if the world doesn't do something about reducing the carbon footprint NOBODY WILL HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SAVE.

Is America not experiencing bad flooding in Florida now ? Is this not as a result of sea level change because of global warming ? America, you voted this bloke in, so maybe you will have to sit and enjoy all the havoc he is creating. He could even be killing the world. I believe he is playing a stupid fatal game. This bloke is so rich that he has nothing he can aim for except world domination and total power.

Is he the American version of Hitler? We all know that Hitler wanted world domination. I hope Trump is surrounded by bodyguards, because he is walking a very dangerous path.

[spot]

G#Gill;1509828 wrote: I tell you what Trump, if the world doesn't do something about reducing the carbon footprint NOBODY WILL HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SAVE.


I'm not sure about that. The Danes might find themselves rulers of the planet - they own Greenland which might turn into the biggest farm of all time.



G#Gill;1509828 wrote: Is America not experiencing bad flooding in Florida now ? Is this not as a result of sea level change because of global warming ?If I were asked I'd say no and no, but I'm prepared to be educated. Is no and no wrong?

Has sea level risen by more than a foot since the start of the Industrial Revolution? I think the answer to that is no too, but I'd agree it is because of global warming. For comparison, sea level has fallen from natural causes about 400 feet since the dinosaurs died off. It's dropped 250 feet at Rhossili in just the last 33,000 years from natural causes. One foot upwards in the last 200 years isn't going to have worsened flooding in Florida.

[tude dog]

G#Gill;1509828 wrote: Now what has Trump done ???? !!!!! He has withdrawn America from the Paris Agreement on Global Warming. He reckons it is damaging America's economy, and that the world is laughing at America ! Sorry Trump, but your actions will encourage the world to NOW laugh at America for voting in such a dangerous clown.

I tell you what Trump, if the world doesn't do something about reducing the carbon footprint NOBODY WILL HAVE AN ECONOMY TO SAVE.

Is America not experiencing bad flooding in Florida now ? Is this not as a result of sea level change because of global warming ? America, you voted this bloke in, so maybe you will have to sit and enjoy all the havoc he is creating. He could even be killing the world. I believe he is playing a stupid fatal game. This bloke is so rich that he has nothing he can aim for except world domination and total power.


The problem is the Paris agreement is a farce.

G#Gill;1509828 wrote: Is he the American version of Hitler? We all know that Hitler wanted world domination. I hope Trump is surrounded by bodyguards, because he is walking a very dangerous path.


Hmm, Hitler. :wah:

[spot]

tude dog;1509835 wrote: The problem is the Paris agreement is a farce. Spoken with the voice of an expert.

[tude dog]

spot;1509836 wrote: Spoken with the voice of an expert.


Really? :guitarist

[Clodhopper]

Well, America announces it is a rogue state. More dangerous to us all than N.Korea. What Trump has done is announce that he's speeding up the mass extinction now occurring and committing mass murder. The USA is now the Earth's worst enemy.

[spot]

tude dog;1509837 wrote: Really? :guitarist


If you write The problem is the Paris agreement is a farce then obviously you must be an expert - who else could write with such certainty, other than an expert on the subject. Or were you just spouting off.

[spot]

Clodhopper;1509841 wrote: The USA is now the Earth's worst enemy.


Now?

I see no change at all. It has been for decades.

[Wandrin]

It will be interesting to see how many local and state leaders, and business leaders stand up to his withdrawal from the Paris Accord.

[Bruv]

It does beggar belief................for sure.

(American translation It does hobo belief)

You have to make exceptions for the Americans......poor things.

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1509851 wrote: It does beggar belief................for sure.

(American translation It does hobo belief)

You have to make exceptions for the Americans......poor things.


We do know what a beggar is. and Hobo doesn't really quite get the same thing. My Great Uncle Welsey was a Hobo, and he taught me that a Hobo never begged.

(Just wanted to clear that up.)

As for the phrase, many of us poor Americans do have a grasp of early British phrases. Many of our forefathers were British, ya know.

I think that for issues related to the Trumpmeister, however the phrase could be modified to "buggers belief"

It is quite clear from reading the transcript of the speech he gave that he has no clue what the provisions of the Paris accord might be, nor does he seem to know that China has actually committed to a far more aggressive role in the plan than nearly any other country in the group.

He also harped on the "Clean Coal" thing, again. I have yet to see anything that could be referred to "Clean" in reference to Coal.

Never in at least the last Millennium has ignorance been held in such high regard.

[Bruv]

Can't mess up a joke with hard facts..................................ask Trump.

[tude dog]

spot;1509842 wrote: If you write The problem is the Paris agreement is a farce then obviously you must be an expert - who else could write with such certainty, other than an expert on the subject. Or were you just spouting off.


Maybe farce was the wrong word.

I'll just say it was a deal which was less about the climate than global wealth redistribution. that is an observation which does not require any expertise, so it seems to me.

[tude dog]

Clodhopper;1509841 wrote: Well, America announces it is a rogue state. More dangerous to us all than N.Korea. What Trump has done is announce that he's speeding up the mass extinction now occurring and committing mass murder. The USA is now the Earth's worst enemy.


I wonder if Obama had actually submitted this treaty to she Senate if it would have done any better then the failed Kyoto mess?

[tude dog]

Wandrin;1509849 wrote: It will be interesting to see how many local and state leaders, and business leaders stand up to his withdrawal from the Paris Accord.


Yea and it will be interesting how the citizens in those place like higher prices.

[LarsMac]

tude dog;1509858 wrote: Maybe farce was the wrong word.

I'll just say it was a deal which was less about the climate than global wealth redistribution. that is an observation which does not require any expertise, so it seems to me.


I would love for someone to show me where that part about global wealth redistribution is. I was reading through the thing last night, and today, and could not find it. Maybe you could show it to me?

[Clodhopper]

tude dog;1509859 wrote: I wonder if Obama had actually submitted this treaty to she Senate if it would have done any better then the failed Kyoto mess?


This bit of grandstanding passing as politics from Trump is the despicable act of a despicable human being playing politics with the planet for the sake of something, anything, he can show his followers. You. I hope you are vastly impressed with what your leader is doing for you and the world.

[tude dog]

LarsMac;1509861 wrote: I would love for someone to show me where that part about global wealth redistribution is. I was reading through the thing last night, and today, and could not find it. Maybe you could show it to me?


I have to admit, not one of my best posts.:-5

Thought about it, slept and did my research.

I have no startellingling revelations, as presented to me by the MSM.

Problem with the Paris Agreement

We are doomed.

It is all voluntary with no enforcement. No standard as to just what everybody is supposed to do.

[tude dog]

Clodhopper;1509932 wrote: This bit of grandstanding passing as politics from Trump is the despicable act of a despicable human being playing politics with the planet for the sake of something, anything, he can show his followers. You. I hope you are vastly impressed with what your leader is doing for you and the world.


I am no fan of the DON

I am also no fan of the concept of an INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, whatever that means

Everybody is selfish, think of that.

[spot]

tude dog;1509946 wrote: It is all voluntary with no enforcement. No standard as to just what everybody is supposed to do.


These are nation states, of course there's no enforcement. There's no enforcer at that level. What agreements at that level can you think of that are enforced? Try naming just one.

The United Kingdom made a commitment to its 2050 emissions and there's not the slightest doubt that we'll do what we said we'd do. The same goes for China and the European Union and Iceland and anywhere else you care to pick. It's a matter of retaining a good name for living up to your promises.

America made a commitment to its 2050 emissions and it has reneged on its word. That says a huge amount about America.

[Bruv]

Thee Dawg reminds me of the J Edgar Hoover quote.......

"Better to have him in the tent peeing out, than outside peeing in "

Trump is in a boat peeing over himself and all his oarsmen

[tude dog]

Bruv;1509949 wrote: Thee Dawg reminds me of the J Edgar Hoover quote.......

"Better to have him in the tent peeing out, than outside peeing in "

Trump is in a boat peeing over himself and all his oarsmen


ha ha

Reminds me of

Two Irishman were fishing on a lake...when one of them caught a mysterious, ancient-looking bottle. Upon taking the bottle off the line, a genie popped out of it and said, "I really don't have time for this three wishes nonsense. You get one wish between the two of you, so make it good."

The fisherman who caught the bottle immediately blurts out, "I wish every body of water on Earth were made of beer!"

The genie snapped his fingers and said, "Done." and then disappeared.

Then the second fisherman smacked his buddy over the head and yelled, "You idiot!



Now we have to pee in the boat!".

[tude dog]

I am a big fan of Charles Krauthammer.

You can’t govern by id

Having coined Bush Derangement Syndrome more than a decade ago, I feel authorized to weigh in on its most recent offshoot. What distinguishes Trump Derangement Syndrome is not just general hysteria about the subject, but additionally the inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences on the one hand and signs of psychic pathology on the other.

Take President Trump’s climate-change decision. The hyperbole that met his withdrawal from the Paris agreement — a traitorous act of war against the American people, America just resigned as leader of the free world, etc. — was astonishing, though hardly unusual, this being Trump.

What the critics don’t seem to recognize is that the Paris agreement itself was a huge failure. It contained no uniform commitments and no enforcement provisions. Sure, the whole world signed. But onto what? A voluntary set of vaporous promises. China pledged to “achieve the peaking of [carbon dioxide] emissions around 2030. Meaning that they rise for another 13 years.


I think I said something like that, but he says it better.

The rationale, I suppose, is that developing countries like India and China should be given a pass because the West had a two-century head start on industrialization.

I don’t think the West needs to apologize — or pay — for having invented the steam engine.


It is exactly that kind of logic that made me hate Obama so much. The apology that is.

It’s the tweets, of course. Trump sees them as a direct, “unfiltered conduit to the public. What he doesn’t quite understand is that for him — indeed, for anyone — they are a direct conduit from the unfiltered id. They erase whatever membrane normally exists between one’s internal disturbances and their external manifestations.

For most people, who cares? For the president of the United States, there are consequences. When the president’s id speaks, the world listens.

Consider his tweets mocking the mayor of London after the most recent terrorist attack. They were appalling.


Trump was elected to do politically incorrect — and needed — things like withdrawing from Paris. He was not elected to do crazy things, starting with his tweets. If he cannot distinguish between the two, Trump Derangement Syndrome will only become epidemic.


[emphasis mine]

[Bryn Mawr]

tude dog;1510084 wrote: I am a big fan of Charles Krauthammer.

You can’t govern by id



I think I said something like that, but he says it better.



It is exactly that kind of logic that made me hate Obama so much. The apology that is.





[emphasis mine]


Whoever that guy is it would be interesting if he were to be introduced to the real world. Take the statement :-



China pledged to “achieve the peaking of [carbon dioxide] emissions around 2030. Meaning that they rise for another 13 years.




What the pledge says in reality is the China pledge to bring forward and prioritise the infrastructure changes required to bring emissions under control by 2030. Yes they rise for another thirteen years but there's a hell of a lot of hard and expensive work require in order to achieve that.

[Clodhopper]

I simply don't accept the Trumpist argument that because the Paris Agreement is not perfect you can just pull out and reopen your coal mines and damn the planet. It seems like selfish shortsighted stupidity: The extra carbon emitted matters. There is a mass extinction already going on and this just makes it worse.

There are already water riots in India.

[spot]

The White House seems to have experienced a Night Of The Long Knives, what with the slaughter of pouting male model Anthony Scaramucci, 53, after his introduction into the hen-house last week. I see Mr Bannon is still standing though.

One can only hope the White House staff never become competent, God knows what they'd achieve if they ever were.

[Clodhopper]

One can only hope the White House staff never become competent, God knows what they'd achieve if they ever were.


They've put that Marine major general in charge, haven't they? With a reputation (just reinforced if he was responsible for the exit of Scaramucci pronto) of being a hard case?

White House Boot Camp???

[spot]

My impression of President Trump is that he's been laughing his socks off since the inauguration.

[tude dog]

Clodhopper;1511368 wrote: They've put that Marine major general in charge, haven't they? With a reputation (just reinforced if he was responsible for the exit of Scaramucci pronto) of being a hard case?

White House Boot Camp???


The difference here is Donny can fire the adult in charge.

[spot]

Why is anyone puzzled by "local milk people"? It's clearly a euphemism for the now-depreciated term American WASP.

[tude dog]

spot;1511474 wrote: Why is anyone puzzled by "local milk people"? It's clearly a euphemism for the now-depreciated term American WASP.


Really?

I would think of dairy farmers.

[spot]

tude dog;1511489 wrote: Really?

I would think of dairy farmers.


But not in the context of your bastardized Presidency discussing the immigration of non-white economic migrants into the USA, surely. Have some sense. "Local milk people" is clearly a euphemism for the now-depreciated term American WASP in that reported conversation.

[magentaflame]

"Fire and fury, the likes of which the world has never seen"

WANKER! Like we dont have enough idiots quoting religious text.

Commenting on the title of this thread. If these school boys playing dungeons and dragons keep this **** up, none of us will be around for a second term. :-5

[spot]

Has anyone noticed that Michael Flynn is called "Mr" in all the current brouhaha?

He's not a Mr. He's a General. Retired Generals are called General. Except, apparently, when it might embarrass the military.

General Flynn has just been charged with with a token charge of lying, as part of a deal to cooperate with the FBI's wholesale investigation into the Trump team by the looks of it, and has promptly responded with a guilty plea before the prosecutors can change their minds.

Quite how lying distinguishes him from the likes of General James Mattis or General John Abizaid I'm not sure.

[Mark Aspam]

spot;1515348 wrote: Has anyone noticed that Michael Flynn is called "Mr" in all the current brouhaha?No, I have not noticed that. I just watched NBC Nightly News and he was referred to as "Mike Flynn", "Michael Flynn" or just "Flynn".

Hopefully he will soon be sharing a prison cell with Trump.

[spot]

Perhaps you only read informal news outlets.

"Mr Flynn was forced to resign the following month after misleading the White House about meeting the Russian ambassador before Mr Trump took office. - today's BBC News website.



Mark Aspam;1515356 wrote: Hopefully he will soon be sharing a prison cell with Trump.


I still say President Trump was, and has remained, the best possible choice of all the contenders who put themselves forward in either party. The world has had no new wars, the world economy - including America's - is robust. He's just a monumental prick, that's all. Whatever you do don't get rid of him, he's doing great.

[Mark Aspam]

spot;1515357 wrote: Perhaps you only read informal news outlets.

"Mr Flynn was forced to resign the following month after misleading the White House about meeting the Russian ambassador before Mr Trump took office. - today's BBC News website.Interesting. Just curious, do the British always print contractions without periods (Mr not Mr.)? That's a new one on me.

[Clodhopper]

No, but it's dying out.

I see the President has retweeted alt right propaganda from a banned English far right racist group that shares the values of the KKK. None of the incidents are in England, so analysis of the images apparently shows (I haven't looked at them and won't). At least May had the decency to tell him off.

POTUS retweets alt right propaganda...not a sentence we thought we'd be reading at all, 5 years ago - not at least as a statement of fact rather than politically motivated exaggeration! And it's normal!

[spot]

Mark Aspam;1515360 wrote: Interesting. Just curious, do the British always print contractions without periods (Mr not Mr.)? That's a new one on me.


I would not do it myself, but it looks cleaner IMO. Rather like when I was a lad I'd not have dreamed of leaving out commas at the end of each line of a postal address but now I invariably do.

[Bruv]

Swedish teen on crutches video FALSE NEWS

Doesn't matter who spreads it or why, it is now indelibly in the minds of millions that Muslims beat up cripples regardless of facts.

[LarsMac]

spot;1515357 wrote: Perhaps you only read informal news outlets.

"Mr Flynn was forced to resign the following month after misleading the White House about meeting the Russian ambassador before Mr Trump took office. - today's BBC News website.





I still say President Trump was, and has remained, the best possible choice of all the contenders who put themselves forward in either party. ...


OK, so I am forced to agree with that statement, at least in regards to the actual candidates who joined the campaign for the job in 2016. A sad state of affairs in itself.

If Mitt Romney had thrown his hat in the ring, I may have actually cast a vote for him. 2016 will go down in history as the Year of the Clowns, I think.

[magentaflame]

Are the voices for impeechment. Just voices? Or are there fundamental reasons to impeech.?