A Prayer Of Salvation For Those Who Are Willing

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:37 am

Dear friends, Take this moment, If you want to accept Jesus Christ free gift of salvation, pray this from your heart, humbly to God:

“DEAR LORD JESUS, I BELIEVE THAT YOU DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR MY SINS. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE COME INTO MY HEART AND FORGIVE ME FOR MY SINS, TAKE ME TO BE WITH YOU WHEN I DIE. I NOW RECEIVE YOU AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR. THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME. IN JESUS NAME AMEN.

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:21 pm

:yh_star:yh_clap:-6

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:40 pm

That prayer is based on Romans 10:9,10 "Ro 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation....13 For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved."

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:56 pm

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:43 pm

Well, Buddha is doing a great trade then.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:07 pm

Buddha doesn't teach the death burial and resurrection of Christ.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:55 am

Ro 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:34 pm

Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God...

Col 1:4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love you have to all the saints,....

Col 1:13 For He has delivered us from the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son;

14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins.

15 who is the image of the invisible God, the First-born of all creation.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:03 pm

Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:29 pm

Ro 3:25 whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness through the passing by of the sins that had taken place before, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the display of His righteousness at this time, for Him to be just and, forgiving the one being of the faith of Jesus.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:14 pm

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:53 pm

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

(KJV)

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:21 am

Col 1:12 ¶ Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: {his...: Gr. the Son of his love}

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:45 am

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:00 pm

That prayer is based on Romans 10:9,10 "Ro 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation....13 For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved."

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:00 pm

First promise of a Savior 1500 years before the Birth of Christ: Ge 3:15 And there will be war between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed: by him will your head be crushed and by you his foot will be wounded.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:57 am

Would you like to clarify the meaning of this offer? Little steps at a time so we can work out why you think it carries meaning and I don't? Any discussion like this needs, I think, a vocabulary where everyone agrees what the essential words mean.

You say that a person performing this ritual "will go to heaven" when the person dies.

Perhaps you've never encountered death. Let me describe what happens. A person dies, breathing stops, the organs fail, the soft tissues either liquefy or mummify, the process cannot be reversed. The person is dead. The person is quite often incinerated.

How can the person go anywhere?

I am, actually, very interested to see what words we have different contradictory meanings for. I don't expect death to be one of them.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:38 am

spot;1513800 wrote: Would you like to clarify the meaning of this offer? Little steps at a time so we can work out why you think it carries meaning and I don't? Any discussion like this needs, I think, a vocabulary where everyone agrees what the essential words mean.

You say that a person performing this ritual "will go to heaven" when the person dies.

Perhaps you've never encountered death. Let me describe what happens. A person dies, breathing stops, the organs fail, the soft tissues either liquefy or mummify, the process cannot be reversed. The person is dead. The person is quite often incinerated.

How can the person go anywhere?

I am, actually, very interested to see what words we have different contradictory meanings for. I don't expect death to be one of them.

First of all, man is not only a physical being. Man is made up of 3 aspects or parts: Body (Physical), Soul (Mind, Will and Emotions, Memories), Spirit (The Part of man that communes with God. When a person dies the physical body indeed does stay here and rot. There is no denying that. However, the soul and spirit continue to exist. We see much evidence for this, not only from Scripture, but also in the countless number of Near Death Experiences of people leaving their physical bodies and seeing the room from above. I personally have had such experiences on many occasions. When a person's physical body dies, I believe that God's angels come and usher their soul and spirit into heaven it's self. I believe that this experience is at least as real as when they were in their physical body, in fact, it is actually more real because I believe that these bodies are under the curse of Adam when he fell and our intelligence, perception, senses, ect. were all dulled by this fall. Once our soul is no longer inside our body, we are no longer bound by the curse or limitations of the physical body. When a non born again Christian dies, it's a time of horror. Demons come and drag their soul down into total blackness and hell to torment them. They still retain their memories and who they are, but they are no longer physical. This state is eternal. I have seen demons. I have been tormented by them mostly when I sleep. I have seen them in my dreams. That's another story. Once you die, whatever choices that you made in this life regarding God and salvation become eternal. We can no longer be saved at that point. That's why I am so passionate about the Gospel. When we are born physically in this world, we are body and soul, but our spirit is still born if you will. It's dead because our father Adam sinned against God and died spiritually, consequently, all of Adam's descendants died spiritually as a result. To be "Born Again" means that the Holy Spirit has resurrected this dead spirit inside of you (Literally) and that part of you can now commune with God. THAT'S why a born again Christian says that they have a genuine relationship with God. THEY DO! I DO. God can communicate with Born Again Christians on a level that transcends the physical and He does all of the time. He convicts us when we sin. We still have the free will to disobey, but our new Spirit is perfect and sinless and genuinely wants to obey and please God. Our fleshly body is still sinful and wars against our spirit daily. In other words, you still have a desire to sin, but your Spirit has a desire to please God and sometimes the flesh wins the battle and sometimes the Spirit wins the battle. The one that you feed will become dominant in your life. If I read the Bible and go to Church, I will become spiritually stronger and I will sin less. It will become easier for me to not sin. When I get away from God and His word, Church, ect. My spirit gets weaker and my flesh takes over. I sin more. Everything I am telling you is 100% reality, but it's not all in this physical realm. We exist in more than one realm at once. The physical realm and the spiritual realm.

Anyway, that's what it means. If you have anymore questions or if you want to PM me, I will be glad to honestly answer whatever you want.

Next, what causes a person to become "Born Again"? Let me answer that in a while, I have to go to the Chiropractor..lol...

I appreciate your honest question.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:20 pm

Thank you for the expansion on your use of words.

One in particular I'd like to delve into a bit. "Soul (Mind, Will and Emotions, Memories)".

I'm familiar with the brain. It's a part of the person which disintegrates after death. Throughout life it provides a physical store for memory among many other functions. This is demonstrated time and again when a brain is physically damaged and memory is affected. Memories can become permanently lost to a person by brain damage, this happens to a significant number of people.

If this physical damage permanently destroys some memories for a person, does the Soul retain those memories regardless? In other words, as I sit here typing, am I host to two completely independent memory systems, one in my brain and one in my Soul? If I lose memories from brain damage, can my mind access them from my other memory copy in my Soul?

Again, I'm trying to check that our vocabulary is consistent. You speak of the Soul as though it is a part of me. In how many parts of my self is my memory located?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:18 am

spot;1513810 wrote: Thank you for the expansion on your use of words.

One in particular I'd like to delve into a bit. "Soul (Mind, Will and Emotions, Memories)".

I'm familiar with the brain. It's a part of the person which disintegrates after death. Throughout life it provides a physical store for memory among many other functions. This is demonstrated time and again when a brain is physically damaged and memory is affected. Memories can become permanently lost to a person by brain damage, this happens to a significant number of people.

If this physical damage permanently destroys some memories for a person, does the Soul retain those memories regardless? In other words, as I sit here typing, am I host to two completely independent memory systems, one in my brain and one in my Soul? If I lose memories from brain damage, can my mind access them from my other memory copy in my Soul?

Again, I'm trying to check that our vocabulary is consistent. You speak of the Soul as though it is a part of me. In how many parts of my self is my memory located?

As long as our soul and spirit reside inside of this physical body, it is bound by the limitations of this physical body. That's why I said that when a person dies, their senses are actually higher. Countless people HAVE had these Near Death or out of body experiences and they remembered everything that happened when they were in the Spirit. Obviously, memories are not just bound by the physical body. But yes I understand the physical part of the brain containing the access to memories while our souls are inside the physical bodies. The soul IS part of you. When you die, you will go on, no doubt. You will exist eternally after this life. You were created to live forever. Recap: I would say that yes memory is located in your physical body and your soul, but that doesn't mean that it's accessible if in this physical body if the physical part is damaged. Once you die, I personally believe that you will remember everything that's ever happened in your life. You will be much smarter, ect. But none of that matters if you haven't accepted Jesus free gift of salvation.

Did you read my thread "How to get to heaven when you die". It explains salvation and why, the legal aspect of it in heaven. God the Father is the judge, God the Son is a lawyer only for those who are born again, God the Holy Spirit directs Christians and convicts them when they sin. satan is the prosecutor. he accuses Christians before God day and night and Jesus is the Lawyer for the Christians. Non Christians have no legal representation or defense. They are automatically found guilty. This stuff is really happening LITERALLY in the spirit realm. God has HUGE plans for human beings, but they cannot be realized if the person won't accept Jesus pardon for their sins.

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:25 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513822 wrote: As long as our soul and spirit reside inside of this physical body, it is bound by the limitations of this physical body. That's why I said that when a person dies, their senses are actually higher.

Perhaps you could give an indication of where all this missing memory has been stored when brain damage precedes death by, say, ten years. The memories are no longer part of the body. They're not, you say, part of the Soul. From where are they restored after death?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:34 am

spot;1513824 wrote: Perhaps you could give an indication of where all this missing memory has been stored when brain damage precedes death by, say, ten years. The memories aren't part of the body. They're not, you say, part of the Soul. From where are they restored after death?

Obviously, it's stored somewhere in our soul. Brain Damage is physical. I didn't say that the memories aren't stored in your physical body, but the soul plays a role as well. I am thinking that probably both store memories at the same time, but the soul is limited by the physical as long as it's joined to it. Otherwise, our body wouldn't be able to be controlled by it either.

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:39 am

So my Soul, during my physical life, exists and has memories which I cannot access? In what sense is this Soul related to me, then. You tell me it has different memories to those I possess, it would consequently form a different will and experience different emotions to those I actually form and experience. That Soul is not me. It's a creation which has fed off my life and developed to a different conclusion than mine. Why should I be remotely interested in its fate?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:34 pm

spot;1513826 wrote: So my Soul, during my physical life, exists and has memories which I cannot access? In what sense is this Soul related to me, then. You tell me it has different memories to those I possess, it would consequently form a different will and experience different emotions to those I actually form and experience. That Soul is not me. It's a creation which has fed off my life and developed to a different conclusion than mine. Why should I be remotely interested in its fate?

Scientists will tell you that all of your memories are stored in your brain anyway, but you can't access them. They have used hypnosis to access these memories. I would say yes that is my opinion based on what I have learned all of your memories are also stored into your soulish mind/body. The Soul is the immaterial part of you. It never dies. I am not saying that it has different memories, just a complete record of everything that you have ever experienced, done, felt, ect. It IS the real you. It is your personality, memories, experiences, emotions, ect. When you die, you will continue in that state. People who have experience Near Death Experiences (I have done a lot of research on this) will tell you that they still feel the wind in their face, they can smell the flowers, they can a a minimum remember everything that they have ever remembered in this life, they communicate with other people, angels, ect. but they don't have to talk. They can hear each other's thoughts and even I have heard that they can feel each other's emotions. Their senses are greatly enhanced, 10 fold or more. An autistic person had a near death experience and no longer had autism while dead, but when his soul returned to his body, he had it again A blind person who had never seen anything in his life could see, but when he went back into his body, he could no longer see. Ect. Ect. This stuff is real. There are literally millions upon millions of these stories. Most Christians who experience heaven do not want to come back here in this miserable earth. Even little kids have been to heaven and returned during Near Death Experiences.

This guy has an Amazing Story, but he is only one of many:

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:01 pm

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:07 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513827 wrote: Scientists will tell you that all of your memories are stored in your brain anyway, but you can't access them. They have used hypnosis to access these memories.

We were discussing brain damage. I had dementia in mind but there's alternative forms of physical destruction of brain tissue from, for example, traffic accidents.

You appear to be saying that I am an incomplete form of myself, that this other Soul person who knows more and has a different will and emotions to me is the real me. I disagree - I know who I am, I'm the person sat at this keyboard typing this post, with all my imperfections of memory and my assorted ailments.

Whatever this Soul is, it most definitely isn't the person I am. You've described the differences. I have no interest in him, I owe him no fealty, I'm quite content that he should spend eternity in your alleged Hell if that's the consequence of my refusing to ask for salvation on his behalf. I, after all, will know nothing about his eventual suffering. I shall be happily, contentedly dead.

I'm not sure what reason you can give for my brain being able to store memories if this Soul can already do it perfectly. What is the point of this duplicated capability? Why is my body burning all these calories day after day in laying down new memory pathways in my imperfect and deteriorating brain if a better Soul memory system is already permanently attached to me?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:14 pm

spot;1513843 wrote: We were discussing brain damage. I had dementia in mind but there's alternative forms of physical destruction of brain tissue from, for example, traffic accidents.

You appear to be saying that I am an incomplete form of myself, that this other Soul person who knows more and has a different will and emotions to me is the real me. I disagree - I know who I am, I'm the person sat at this keyboard typing this post, with all my imperfections of memory and my assorted ailments.

Whatever this Soul is, it most definitely isn't the person I am. You've described the differences. I have no interest in him, I owe him no fealty, I'm quite content that he should spend eternity in Hell if that's the consequence of my refusing to ask for salvation on his behalf. I, after all, will know nothing about his eventual suffering. I shall be happily, contentedly dead.

No, I am saying that you are incomplete SPIRITUALLY IF you are not a born again Christian. I think the confusion you are having is that you are thinking that I said your soul is dead. Not true. It's not your soul that's dead, it's your spirit. The Spirit is the part of man that communes with God. Your spirit is that part of you that connects you to God. If you are spiritually dead, you cannot possibly commune with God nor can you please Him. That's why when Jesus casts those in hell He says "I never knew you" to them. Because they didn't have a real relationship with Him and it would be a true statement. You will remain who you are forever, whether in the flesh or in the spirit. If you aren't afraid of hell, go turn on burner of your stove and see how long you can keep your hand there.

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:26 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513822 wrote: God the Father is the judge, God the Son is a lawyer only for those who are born again, God the Holy Spirit directs Christians and convicts them when they sin. satan is the prosecutor. he accuses Christians before God day and night and Jesus is the Lawyer for the Christians. Non Christians have no legal representation or defense. They are automatically found guilty.

If only Christians (meaning a small subset of Christian-literalist oddballs who perform swearing-in rituals like the one in the opening post) have "legal representation or defense", and everyone outside that group is "automatically found guilty", it's not surprising everyone else on the planet mocks Bible Literalism. How anyone in their right mind can accept this God you describe as "good" baffles me. What meaning of "good" covers such genocide of all unbelievers? It would be repulsive were it not fiction. As fiction it's repulsive too. The essence of genocide is the reduction of outsiders to the status of a cockroach deserving death and eternal punishment, whether it's Jews, Rwandans or (in this instance) "Non Christians".

May I add that the whole notion laid out here could only have been constructed by a xenophobic American in love with his country's obsessive focus on litigation. There's an awful lot of those about.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:40 pm

spot;1513845 wrote: If only Christians (meaning a small subset of Christian-literalist oddballs who perform swearing-in rituals like the one in the opening post) have "legal representation or defense", and everyone outside that group is "automatically found guilty", it's not surprising everyone else on the planet mocks Bible Literalism. How anyone in their right mind can accept this God you describe as "good" baffles me. What meaning of "good" covers such genocide of all unbelievers? It would be repulsive were it not fiction. As fiction it's repulsive too. The essence of genocide is the reduction of outsiders to the status of a cockroach deserving death and eternal punishment, whether it's Jews, Rwandans or (in this instance) "Non Christians".

May I add that the whole notion laid out here could only have been constructed by a xenophobic American in love with his country's obsessive focus on litigation. There's an awful lot of those about.

You aren't understanding WHY only those who accept Christ are saved. God is a Holy, absolutely perfect God. He CANNOT accept anything less than perfection because of His nature. He is also the King of the Universe in a Literal sense. God has given us laws to Govern His Universe, just as we have laws that govern nations, cities, ect. Sin is a crime against God, just as if we break the law such as steal, murder, rape, ect. in our Country, City, ect. we are committing a crime and go to prison. Hell is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. Those who break God's laws go to hell. Just as the President can pardon someone so that they don't have to go to prison, Jesus can pardon someone so that they don't have to go to hell. It's not because we deserve it, it's because of His mercy. Just as if the President pardons someone it's not because they deserve it. So, in order to obtain the pardon from the President, we have to accept it. What if they refuse to accept the pardon from the President? They have to pay for their crimes by going to prison. It's the same thing with Jesus, if we reject His pardon for our crimes (sins) we have to pay for our sins by going to prison (hell). The biggest issue is that hell is eternal because that spiritual realm has no time. Once you are there, there is no hope of ever getting out. God does NOT want you or anyone else to go there, but if a person rejects His pardon, He has no choice legally but to send them to hell. That prayer is simply about accepting the pardon that Jesus is offering you. Make sense? Why not accept it?

Post by **spot** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:40 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513880 wrote: You aren't understanding WHY only those who accept Christ are saved. God is a Holy, absolutely perfect God. He CANNOT accept anything less than perfection because of His nature.There's the solution then. Damn God. Far less turmoil all over. Yours is not a description of "good" which I will accept.

All of this was argued to death in the seventeenth century. There must be an article on Spinoza that you can read.

That prayer is simply about accepting the pardon that Jesus is offering you. Make sense? Why not accept it?Because I have a measure of self-respect.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:21 am

spot;1513885 wrote: There's the solution then. Damn God. Far less turmoil all over. Yours is not a description of "good" which I will accept.

All of this was argued to death in the seventeenth century. There must be an article on Spinoza that you can read.

Because I have a measure of self-respect.

This is biblical, it didn't suddenly come about in the 17th century, it's in the scriptures in Paul's writings. They were written in the 1st century. One of my best friends was kind of like you. We would debate this stuff over and over for years. He simply could not understand. He had an anger toward God and said what a bad God He was. One day he said "If I accept Jesus gift of salvation, do I have to agree with everything you say"? and I said "No, you do not have to agree with everything I believe". So, he prayed that prayer from his heart to God. The next time I saw him he told me that his whole view of God had changed ever since he prayed that prayer. He could now see the flaws in his own life, whereas before he could not. I would sum it up to this verse. I have added some clarity within parenthesis:

Ro 8:7 because the carnal (sinful, fleshly) mind is enmity (at war) against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. 8 So then they who are in the flesh (Not spiritually reborn) cannot please God.

Post by **spot** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:27 am

There must be an article on Spinoza that you can read.

Given the choice of adopting your appalling American-xenophobe world view or converting to Mormonism, Judaism or Islam, I'd convert every time. And no, that's not likely either.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:49 pm

spot;1513904 wrote: There must be an article on Spinoza that you can read.

Given the choice of adopting your appalling American-xenophobe world view or converting to Mormonism, Judaism or Islam, I'd convert every time. And no, that's not likely either.

There's got to be a reason why millions and millions of people are begging and pleading to come to my country. Have you ever been here?

Post by **spot** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:14 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513910 wrote: There's got to be a reason why millions and millions of people are begging and pleading to come to my country. Have you ever been here?

You delude yourself. People in those areas of the world which America has destroyed want to live where their wealth has accumulated. You stole it, they want some back. You name a country where these desperate migrants come from, I'll tell you when you last raped it.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:26 pm

spot;1513912 wrote: You delude yourself. People in those areas of the world which America has destroyed want to live where the wealth has accumulated. You stole it, they want some back. You name a country where these desperate migrants come from, I'll tell you when you last raped it.

America gives more aid to the world than rest of the world combined. Bunch of moochers want America to pay for everything. That's why Trump pulled out of that Paris "Agreement" that screws America every which way. Not only do they want us to pay for it while countries like yours pay either nothing or next to nothing, they want us to abide by it which most of the Countries won't. Here's a country for you...Mexico. What Country are you from?

By the way, I won't comment on this topic anymore in this thread because that's not the topic at hand. If you want to make these comments for me to answer about my Country, go to my other thread entitled:

We Were Warned in 1963: Has Communist Ideology Overtaken America?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:41 am

I would encourage anyone who hasn't yet to pray tgat prayer in this first post from your heart to God

Post by **spot** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:47 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513913 wrote: Here's a country for you...Mexico.As an aside, given this legalistic definition of God and Salvation that you're spreading, don't you recognize that the resulting population of Heaven will have far more Mexicans in it than Americans? Not just slightly more but orders of magnitude more. I find that hilarious.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:55 am

spot;1513921 wrote: As an aside, given this legalistic definition of God and Salvation that you're spreading, don't you recognize that the resulting population of Heaven will have far more Mexicans in it than Americans? Not just slightly more but orders of magnitude more. I find that hilarious.

It may and it may not. America has been traditionally overwhelmingly Christian until about 15 years ago. If you took a poll, Christians are still a majority in the US. Mexico is Catholic predominantly. In order to be truly saved, you have to be born again. Catholics tend to pervert the gospel, but I do hope for as many Mexicans, Americans and every other Nation will be there. I have heard that there are more born again Christians in China than any other Country, but they are underground because it's illegal. For me, it's not about competing with other Countries and hoping my Country has more people there. I want to see as many people there as possible, regardless of what Nationality that they are.

Post by **spot** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:08 am

So they're fellow inmates of the eternal barren wasteland you call Heaven once they're dead, but until then they're sponging moochers? You're unable to offer them goodwill until they're safely dead?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm

spot;1513937 wrote: So they're fellow inmates of the eternal barren wasteland you call Heaven once they're dead, but until then they're sponging moochers? You're unable to offer them goodwill until they're safely dead?

No, just like any other country in the world, the US has immigration laws. ILLEGAL immigrantion laws in your Country are enforced and that's ok with you right? But America isn't allowed to enforce it's own immigration laws? Hypocritical don't you think? Legal Immigrants are welcome here like they are in your country. No one said anything about killing them. You are using false premises because you have no other argument.

Post by **spot** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:52 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513983 wrote: No, just like any other country in the world, the US has immigration laws. ILLEGAL immigrantion laws in your Country are enforced and that's ok with you right? But America isn't allowed to enforce it's own immigration laws? Hypocritical don't you think? Legal Immigrants are welcome here like they are in your country. No one said anything about killing them. You are using false premises because you have no other argument.

You really are completely incapable of accurately reading what's been written to you. Safely dead as in arrived in heaven, where they will suddenly become your best friends instead of the sponging moochers you referred to earlier in the thread. Nothing, as you say, about killing them or keeping them out of your country. Comprehension is not your strong point.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:30 am

spot;1513992 wrote: You really are completely incapable of accurately reading what's been written to you. Safely dead as in arrived in heaven, where they will suddenly become your best friends instead of the sponging moochers you referred to earlier in the thread. Nothing, as you say, about killing them or keeping them out of your country. Comprehension is not your strong point.

Interesting you should bring up heaven because there will be no illegal aliens up there. Anyone who goes there will have to come in legally according to God's laws. I already answered your question that inaccurately paints those who are looking out for the best interest of their own country as some how evil, while you and your country do the same thing.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:30 am

Romans 10:9,10

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:31 pm

Ro 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:46 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513999 wrote: Interesting you should bring up heaven because there will be no illegal aliens up there. Anyone who goes there will have to come in legally according to God's laws. I already answered your question that inaccurately paints those who are looking out for the best interest of their own country as some how evil, while you and your country do the same thing.

spot;1513992 wrote: You really are completely incapable of accurately reading what's been written to you. They all are!

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:52 pm

Ahso!;1514037 wrote: They all are!

Honestly, it's not the Christians, it's the non born again people who have been blinded, but they don't realize it. Once a person becomes a born again Chirstian, their world view changes and it's a real change because God gives them a new spirit.

The "god of this world" is none other than satan.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I have seen this first hand. Friends of mine who thought like you until they became born again from God.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:10 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514062 wrote: Honestly, it's not the Christians, it's the non born again people who have been blinded, but they don't realize it. Once a person becomes a born again Chirstian, their world view changes and it's a real change because God gives them a new spirit.

The "god of this world" is none other than satan.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

I have seen this first hand. Friends of mine who thought like you until they became born again from God.I was a born-again Christian before it was cool to be born-again and before you were your daddy's wink.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:29 am

Ahso!;1514074 wrote: I was a born-again Christian before it was cool to be born-again and before you were your daddy's wink.

Define Born Again.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:38 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514086 wrote: Define Born Again.No! I told you I'm not going down any rabbit holes with you.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:43 pm

Ahso!;1514088 wrote: No! I told you I'm not going down any rabbit holes with you.

Was there ever a time when you, from your heart, confessed Jesus Christ as your Lord and that He died on the cross and rose from the dead? Did you ever pray a prayer like the one in this first post from your heart?